Crimean Tatars: the nation’s tragedy
Ban the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people has strongly condemned the US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland. Speaking April 27 during his visit to Kiev, she stressed that this outrageous decision violates the democratic rights of the entire “historical community.”
The EU called the ban the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people, a serious attack on the rights of the Crimean Tatars and evidence of further deterioration of the human rights situation in Russia annexed Crimea. This is stated in the statement of the European External Action Service.
“It is necessary without delay to ensure full compliance with international standards of human rights and other obligations under international law, in particular, in this case in relation to the Crimean Tatars community”, – the statement says.
April 26 Russian-controlled Crimea Supreme Court acknowledged Majlis extremist organization and banned its activities on Russian territory. Thus I was satisfied the claim of the Crimean prosecutor Natalia Poklonsky, which accused the Majlis in the anti-Russian activities.
Tragic history and current problems of the Crimean Tatar people to discuss politics Mustafa Dzhemilev (Kyiv), the political analyst Valery Khomyakov , the journalist Eider Muzhdabaev (Kiev).
Moderator – Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior .
Vladimir Kara-Murza, Sr.: The EU called the ban the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people, a serious attack on the rights of the Crimean Tatars and evidence of further deterioration of the human rights situation in Russia annexed Crimea.
On Tuesday, the Russian-controlled Crimea Supreme Court recognized the Majlis extremist organization and banned its activities on Russian territory. Thus, the request Natalia Poklonsky, Crimean prosecutor was satisfied that the Majlis has accused of anti-Russian activities.
Tragic history and current problems of the Crimean Tatars, we will discuss with our guest – political analyst Valeriem Homyakovym.
Valery, whether offensive to all the people the motivation to deport him because they collaborated with the German occupiers?
Valery Khomyakov:This is an old story. Of course, in every nation, including in Russian, in the war years were, to put it mildly, the traitors, collaborators. They were also among the Chechen people, and among the Crimean Tatars. But because of this, should not suffer the nations as a whole. And here we are seeing a massive attempt to present the enemy all the Crimean Tatar people – as well as others, in particular Kalmyks … I lived as a child in the Altai region, and I had a friend – Kalmyk, who was with his family to get evicted. This happened a long time ago. And when allowed, they returned to Kalmykia. Here the story is more tragic because the Crimean Tatars were able to return to the Crimea alone, in my opinion, in the late ’80s, under Gorbachev, if I do not get them mixed up. Of course, it is an insult. To them in everyday life looked upon as some traitors, fascist hirelings. All this affects the relationship of the Crimean Tatars in the circles in which they lived. This Stalinist attempt to present the people as their enemies of the fatherland, of course, terrible.
Unfortunately, what we are seeing is, in part looks like this, including the recent decision of which you have said. Although it was preceded by a lengthy process. It is not easy to feed Mrs. Poklonsky all it appeared. After the Crimea was annexed to the Russian Federation, as far as I know, we were set up parallel to the Crimean Tatar structure. They created three for two years, – sworn allegiance to Moscow to agree with everything. And creates an illusion: think of it, the Majlis – the body established at the time the Kurultai, and in fact all Crimean Tatars rallied around the governor of the Kremlin in the Crimea – Mr. Aksenov.
На мой взгляд, дело обстоит не так. Подобного рода вещи практиковались, практикуются и будут практиковаться. Что, на мой взгляд, не приводит к тем результатам, которые замышляли их инициаторы. Расколоть крымский народ не удастся. Были отдельные люди, которые в годы войны сотрудничали с немецкими оккупантами, и сейчас есть нечто подобное. Но в целом крымский народ, как мне кажется, един в своем желании сохранить свою самобытность, свои обычаи. Он един в желании не подвергаться давлению из Москвы, из Киева или еще откуда-то. Это закаленные люди. В генах этих людей – стремление сохранить свое достоинство. А сейчас мы видим попытки растоптать это достоинство – попытки крайне неуклюжие, о чем достаточно справедливо заметил Евросоюз.
Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: We connected Mustafa Dzhemilev, the former Soviet political prisoner, leader of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people, MP of the Verkhovna Rada.
Mustafa, held true whether the rehabilitation of the Crimean Tatars after Stalin’s deportation?
Mustafa Dzhemilev: No Ukraine deported Crimean Tatars and the Soviet Union. Therefore, it was the adoption of the law on the restoration of political and social rights of the Crimean Tatar people. The Ukrainian parliament has been quite a lot of forces that resist it – pro-Russian forces, the Communists. It was not possible. But after the occupation, somewhere this law was passed in the 20 days of March. There clearly is called deportation as a crime against humanity, and adopted a series of measures aimed at restoring. But time has been lost. This law should have been taken long ago.
Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: And who of Russian dissidents and human rights activists fought along with you for the restoration of the rights of your people? Everyone remembers the fate of General Grigorenko. What was this man?
Mustafa Dzhemilev: Our national movement was democratic, so it attracted the sympathy of many human rights defenders, enlightened people. Among the Russian intelligentsia, one of the first who spoke out in defense of the rights of the Crimean Tatar people was writer Aleksey Kosterin. He drew attention to this problem General Pyotr Grigorenko. By the time he was a political prisoner. And somewhere in the 66-year, in my opinion, he is actively involved in our national movement. You could say he was one of the authorities. In those days in the homes of the Crimean Tatars could often be seen portraits are not only veterans of the national movement, but Petra Grigorenko. Indeed, it was a very brave man who did everything in his power. He has made an invaluable contribution to our national movement, and primarily in the promotion,
And it must be said about Sakharov, who was connected to the issue later, but he was also very effective in its activities in support of our national movement.
If we follow the trials of the national movement activists, among them there were a lot of Russian, Ukrainian, Baltic defenders who in one way or another in contact with the national movement of the Crimean Tatars, and expressed to him the solidarity support. And you’re right: Pyotr Grigorenko – it is the brightest figure in our national movement.
Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: recently filmed a feature film about the tragedy of your people. But it is still not allowed on the Russian screen. Remind them that it is for the film, and why he has such a hard fate rolling.
Mustafa Dzhemilev: This is the first and only feature film on the subject. Our entrepreneur to finance it. It is called “Haytarma”. Haytarma – is a dance, but then “Haytarma” – a return to his homeland. The film speaks of deportation. According to some estimates, something softened. A pro-Russian people say it shows too cruel. From our point of view, the film turned out to be very successful.
And Russia is reviving the Stalinist regime, at least – in the occupied Crimea. And any films, books exposing the Soviet government policies perceived as an insult to the Russian people and the Russian Federation.
Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Valery, after the deportation of only two people not been restored statehood – a Volga Germans and Crimean Tatars. Why Khrushchev was afraid to return to their statehood?
Valery Khomyakov: Hard to say, because of what is happening. There are many cities in the Saratov region, where the Volga Germans lived before the war was a republic of the Volga Germans. Apparently, the Soviet Union then leaders feared would create a kind of enclave that is because of their dissatisfaction with the fact that they were driven at the time from their homes, to create a structure that can be “total maverick.”
Chechens and Kalmyks returned to their land, gained statehood, at least, that they now have in the form of republics within the Russian Federation. But the Crimean Tatars and Volga Germans fate was more tragic. Many Germans have left their historical homeland, because the law of the Federal Republic of Germany, ethnic German is actually considered to be a citizen of the Federal Republic of Germany. A Crimean Tatars go particularly nowhere. Someone went to a variety of reasons, but mostly they are somehow tied to the land where they were born. Crimea for the Crimean Tatars – this is the Promised Land, they were born there, and much earlier, than there came the Russian troops. This distinguishes the fate of the Volga Germans from the fate of the Crimean Tatars, which, unfortunately, is not so happy as we would like.
Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Let’s listen to a journalist Eider Muzhdabaeva, deputy director general of the Crimean Tatar TV channel the ATR, which believes that the ban Majlis almost impossible.
Eider Muzhdabaev: prohibitions against the Majlis – a symbolic act, since it is impossible to ban the Mejlis, because he was never officially registered. This Crimean Tatar self-government, which is almost 30 years old. Therefore, the ban in formal terms is negligible.
And with the actual point of view, this means not ban the Mejlis, and the fact that they facilitate the process itself of repression against the Crimean Tatars. That is no longer necessary to prove fictitious guilt – some phony terrorism, which they can not nobody “sew” in the Crimea for two years looking for weapons and explosives in their homes, but nothing, of course, can not be found. Will not need to ascribe any other illegal actions – mass disorders, which are trying to concoct criminal cases, the reason for that, too, of course, was not. All this bogus charges. They are tired of this formality, as in his time Stalin NKVDshniki tired of the first trials. So they then came up with the “troika” and the people began to quickly judge and destroy the plant. The same purpose, there are in the decision. Accused of involvement in the Majlis of Crimean Tatar can be any. Now, any book with a portrait of Cemil will be the basis for the Russian court. Gates for mass repressions opened.
Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Mustafa, remind, please, what was the statutory objectives of the Mejlis, speaking bureaucratic language? For which he was created?
Mustafa Dzhemilev: It is the representative body of the Crimean Tatar people, which defends the rights of the Crimean Tatars in local government, that is to promote and co-operation with the authorities to solve our problems, as well as to represent Crimean Tatars at the international level. Before ’91, when it was created our first Kurultai and Majlis elected, we can say that a full representative of the Crimean Tatar people was the National Movement of Crimean Tatars. A 89-year – The organization of the Crimean Tatar national movement.
And in the run-up of the Soviet Union, when there was a “restructuring”, it was possible to hold elections – though not quite openly, but, nevertheless, there was such an opportunity – decided to establish a representative body of the Crimean Tatars, who is elected directly by the people, regardless whether it is involved in the national movement or not. And here on the principle of “one delegate to the national convention of thousands of people” across the Soviet Union, where Crimean Tatars lived, held elections of delegates. So, these delegates were chosen at the national congress of 250 people. He was called the Second National Congress, because the First National Congress was in the 17th year of its shot by the Bolsheviks. And the National Congress elected by ballot 33 human members of the Majlis for five years – is the executive body of the Kurultai of the Crimean Tatar people. But this is the tip of the iceberg.
Then came the elections of local and regional Mejlis in all the places of residence of the Crimean Tatars. Thus, the last elections were in 2012, at the time of the occupation of the Crimea were about 230 local and regional majlis, which involved a total of 2 000 300 people. Therefore, when we speak of the prohibition of the Majlis – is not only a ban on 33 persons, but also the entire system of the national government of the Crimean Tatar people. That is only 2 thousand 300 local and regional members of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people, the Kurultai delegates in total – somewhere in the 2.5 thousand people. In accordance with the logic of the Russian law they are called extremists. And the one who helps or elect these “extremists” – is also a kind of “extremists.” And it turns out that almost all Crimean Tatar people can be called “
So now, maybe not immediately, but it offers scope for large-scale repression against the whole of the Crimean Tatar people.
Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Eider Muzhdabaev believes that the international community is powerless to help the Crimean Tatars.
Eider Muzhdabaev: The international community can not do anything other than allegations. In general, none of the Crimean Tatars is not acting, except a tiny group of conscientious people in Russia. It will, of course, to the massive repression against the Crimean Tatars. And most importantly – to the atmosphere of total fear. Already, people are on the phone talking very cautiously, afraid to say an extra word. I know the atmosphere among the Crimean Tatars – it is terrible, this atmosphere of insecurity, injustice, in the 30s.
They should completely suppress the Crimean Tatar people, to destroy it as an entity, leave it only as a screen, to in some celebrations people trained tray pasties and kissed portraits of Putin. They also understand that the Crimean Tatars will never put up with this, will never recognize the results of the illegal conduct and fraudulent, shameful referendum in which 97 percent of the allegedly favored the Crimea joining Russia. Of course, this is complete nonsense. Crimean Tatars in general on this referendum did not go. And these results could not be. But the Crimean Tatars – is the main piece of evidence in the case of the illegal annexation of Crimea. And this evidence, of course, must be destroyed. To be neither heard nor seen the Crimean Tatars to all feared. Now they will threaten, so people who can not live in this atmosphere will leave.
Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: And it likely that in this way almost all the people outlawed?
Valery Khomyakov:It turns out so. At least that is what we are now seeing, and events that do not bring the Lord, will be developed in this way. Crimean Tatar – now more than banderovets from Western Ukraine. And their stooges sitting in the Crimea. That will be, I think, the supply of our “great” promoters, which are now the subject of the Crimean Tatar people can grasp and apply them as “corrupt hirelings Ukrainian, Kiev junta West, the State Department and all the rest.” We have seen this in other examples. And unfortunately, nothing good about it for ordinary citizens of Russia. Because once it ends. And the desire of the machine, which consumes (or trying to eat) all dissent and all those people who believe that we shall make a great stupidity on the Crimea – on this machine will devour the people already in Moscow, as it is done.
But I ask another question: what does it do its proponents? Well, all the people in prison will not plant, in which Stalin was convinced: tried – failed. Hitler tried to do – also failed. Someone thinks that Putin will succeed? No, it will not work. Sooner or later, this story will end, and the reputation of our country in view of the fact that leadership behaves … I do not think this is the Kremlin’s decision. I think it has matured into a beautiful head of Mrs. Poklonsky, which has, in my opinion, even the generals began. Its rapid political rise, it is now almost the most popular man in Russia. I would place Mr Chaika bother for the armchair. With such prospects it can safely move to the Big Dmitrovka, where the Prosecutor General’s Office. Well, you can not go on about the ambitions, let the pretty and young ladies in the form of public prosecutor. The damage is much higher.
Do not you put down the Crimean Tatar people, for all your wish. I repeat, it is in the genes of these people – resistance. Stalin raised their lives, and some post-Soviet. I remember when it all started. Then Crimea Yuriy Meshkov was president, and Sergei Tsekov, in my opinion, was the chairman of the Supreme Council.
Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: A Prime Minister was, in my opinion, an economist Yevgeny Saburov.
Valery Khomyakov: I remember those times, since then has been one of the leaders of the “Democratic Party of Russia.” Many have tried to meet with Nikolai Travkin, then leader, and he sent them to me, “Yuri Meshkov come talk to him.” I say, “Who is this?” – “President of the Crimea.” I do not remember, I met with him or not, A S Tsekovym exactly met. And then he drew me a terrible picture that returned Crimean Tatars, trying to seize the land. But they are not trying to take away, they just want to go back to where they were illegally rounded up in due time. By the way, it is, I believe, was, perhaps, one of those people with whom he started. And then I went to the then Supreme Council and, apparently, tried to cry out: “Help us now! We are the Crimean Tatars to places sleeves protect us.!”
This myth in the early ’90s seriously affected some of our politicians. Maybe even some Boris Yeltsin, who could call Mr. Kravchuk and say, “You there is not very much .. Help, and we are now you’ll have such autonomy in the Crimea!” There are a bunch of contradictions and partly inexperience then Russian authorities. Maybe you can forgive her for what was then the Russian Federation was not to the Crimea. But if you rewind the tape back, probably could find a common language with the then leadership of the Crimea, which is a short time, thank God, sat, and find some digestible formula to Crimean Tatars received their national autonomy on the Crimean peninsula. Do not go for it. As a result, the disease persists, it is not resolved.
Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: And what progress has been made during the democratization? I know that it was possible to create a number of schools in the Crimean Tatar language, a little restore land rights. How did you begin this process, which seems to go positive?
Mustafa Dzhemilev: I would like to say about the fact that the idea of the ban could not be born with Putin, and the head of Madame Poklonsky. This is absolutely wrong. Madame Poklonskaya, the stories of many – is the girl with the intellect Vosmiklassnica. Actually, it is possible to trace how it is sometimes speaks without notes. Immediately we can understand with whom we are dealing. It will not make a step without having to not get instructions from Moscow. The main force in the occupied Crimea – is the FSB. There’s enough clicks, or pointers – and she will run to where she will say. Therefore overestimate the role of Madame hardly worth it.
And one wonders: why do such nonsense? In particular, the Russian leadership is not only banned the Majlis. If we proceed from the interests of the Russian Federation, then do come to the Crimea was a great folly, like the rest of the war with Ukraine. This damage, in my opinion, no one would be able to inflict. And now, in the West say straight out that it was not yet the head of the country, which would bring so much harm to the state in the history of Russia.
And to answer your question. We all went very hard and was not easy in Ukraine. Not because Ukraine as a whole does not want to solve our problems, just we had very different political forces … Here a conglomerate. We have all the time in the election supported the democratic forces. A democratic forces almost never been in power, except for a few short periods. The main power on the territory of the autonomy was in the Russian-speaking hands of pro-Russian majority. Now it is the majority of the occupants waited on. We had a very large land problems. Crimean Tatars, despite the fact that they were somewhere in the 14 percent of the population of the peninsula, in the structures of power, depending on what that structure – takes from zero to 2.5-3 percent. That is discrimination in their homeland – in 4-5 times. For example, in the Security Service, which was 2 thousand 300 workers – was not one of the Crimean Tatars. The prosecutor’s office – a few tenths of a percent. Not a single judge. That is, such a structure.
Nevertheless, Ukraine – a democratic state, and it was possible to somehow defend their rights. With great difficulty we gradually defend them. 14 percent of Crimean Tatars with great difficulty in the native language to open 14 schools, and ethnic Ukrainians are not so organized, and although they made up 23-25 percent of the population of the peninsula – they have 7 schools. It all depended on how active we were. We helped our organization. And the land problems. Poklonskaya now saying: “Over the years, the Majlis has not solved the problems of land of the Crimean Tatars.” Allow me, as if in the Majlis had some opportunity to give orders and to allocate land! Majlis only organized protests demanding the allocation of land. And thank God, at least something we wanted. But it was still in the hands of the authorities,
Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Eider Muzhdabaev noted that the mood of depressed people in the Crimea.
Eider Muzhdabaev: In this situation, the Crimean Tatars were probably only at the time of deportation, when any soldier could poke their butt, shoot at anyone, and so on. You can not even be an activist – it does not matter. You can not like a neighbor, a colleague, your store may not like competitor – all have nothing. You – Crimean Tatar, and that’s enough to you to write a denunciation.
Even in this regard, there is a social problem. The fact that there will be processes that we are well familiar with Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union under Stalin, when from people who may fall under the repression will be shy, like lepers. And as for all the Crimea it is obvious that all Crimean Tatars may potentially become victims of repression, with the Crimean Tatars will be less talk; they will speak to their children not to go to visit them, will be a little talk, be treated like a leper. Because you communicate today with Crimean Tatar, and tomorrow he will be a “terrorist”.
Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: In Bulgaria and in some republics of Yugoslavia was a special process slavyanizatsii. All Turkic names changed to Slavic to somehow dilute the nationality, the memory of the Turkish rule. Can the Kremlin to organize something like this and against the Crimean Tatars?
Valery Khomyakov:In our country, it is difficult something is to believe. You never know what will come to mind to some minister. To prove his loyalty, he can come up with anything. I would not want to come to this. And so the cones stuffed himself, many in Europe and elsewhere twist finger to his temple, when they look at the policy of our state. I hope, to this still will not come, but attempts can be. Do zealous officials who want to make a political career, no less “shiny” than Madame Poklonsky that nobody knew two years ago, and now she was almost to the State Duma met, even without primaries. I think maybe it would be nice … his political career in the State Duma few people did. I saw Aleksandr Ivanovich Lebed walked, when he became a State Duma deputy, he was not interesting to anyone. And Mrs. Poklonskaya. Maybe there will be more tolerant person, but this is not our problem.
As for the possibilities and attempts russify this part of the Crimean Tatars, who for various reasons, have begun to cooperate with the authorities … I remind you that there is one Crimean Tatar, in my opinion, the vice-premier in the government of Crimea. Well, people went to work – but for God’s sake! But if you work it, work for the benefit, including the Crimean Tatar people. What he likes this kind of action? On the prohibition of the Mejlis, he probably could have done a little more demonstrative step and get away from the Crimean management. Looks like guts.
I still see this blatant stupidity attempt to split the Crimean Tatars into several pieces. And we, ordinary citizens, through the famous canals and show in certain programs that they’re all here for Putin for the Kremlin, for its multi-ethnic, peaceful policy as they used to say. And that there is some fringe represented by the Mejlis, Mr. Cemil, Chubarov and other people who are not already in the Crimea, unfortunately, they were forced to leave – were driven from their homes of people … To this we must be prepared in including the heads of the Mejlis. A organization, I think you can always come up with a different form. Especially Muzhdabaev quite correctly noted – is not in the Ministry of Justice of the registration of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people. There is no such organization. How can you deny what is not ?! So, people can come up with some form of so
Поэтому тут приходится, видимо, достаточно непросто жителям Крыма, которые считают себя крымскими татарами. Мы это видели по другим тенденциям, которые очень четко просматриваются в нашей внутренней политике. Но я не понимаю руководство России. Им-то это зачем? Что, мало шишек вы набили? Вы хотите поссориться с исламским миром окончательно и бесповоротно? Тут бед натворили, а потом надо бежать в Саудовскую Аравию: “Ребята, давайте сократим объем нефти”. Вы чего-нибудь одно выбирайте, в конце концов. Сколько можно эту глупость смотреть?! Я давно живу на белом свете, видел всяких руководителей, и глупости у них тоже были. Но были какие-то рациональные зерна в поведении. А здесь я не вижу рациональности. Одна иррациональность, одни эмоции, одно желание угодить верховному царю. А дальше что? Хоть бы на шаг вперед посмотрели, что дальше будет.
Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Even Stalin’s executioners had the good sense to leave one of the hero of the Crimean Tatar people – the pilot Amet-Khan Sultan. And then he died a mysterious death. And now almost all dealt with moral authority. After all, no one can go back to their homeland.
Mustafa Dzhemilev: Stalin had not had the sense to leave Amet-Khan Sultan in Crimea. At that time he lived in Moscow. And in accordance with the law, since he twice Hero of the Soviet Union, he placed the bust and was told that he could live. But he said: “What should I do there?” And he is not moved to the Crimea.
And the prospect of Russification of the settlements of the Crimea. This has been done by Stalin. There russify nothing. All Russian already there. I think that in the near future Ukraine will pass a law on the restoration of the historical place names. Already in terms decommunisation somewhere in 67 settlements of the Crimea renamed. And on all maps of the world will be the names of those villages, which will be adopted by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine. Because legally Crimea is part of the Ukrainian state.
And about the moral authorities. Russian practice was initially “buy” Majlis. This was caused by an invitation to me to Moscow. Somewhere in 35-40 minutes we were on the phone with Mr. Putin said on this subject. Mountain promises we happily alive in the Russian Federation. But when that did not work, when we said that first print its troops from our territory, but if you want to assist, then sit down at the negotiating table with our guide – even then, of course, the atmosphere changed. And the tactic was, of course, to evict people who, from their point of view can affect the mood of the people, to lead any protest movement. And indeed it is now Russia’s policy is to ensure that displace the Crimean Tatars, as it was during the time of the first occupation of the reign of Catherine II. Then, too, they were deported, robbed land. As a result, many Crimean Tatars left their lands and moved to the Ottoman Empire. Now in Turkey where some 10 times more of the Crimean Tatars, than in the Crimea. And now this policy continues.
There are facts of kidnapping and murder. We follow, whom they kidnapped and murdered. It is not only the activists of the national movement. People have the impression that no one is guaranteed. And not only the facts of murders are not investigated – it is used as a bargaining chip. For example, when questioned by some of the members of the Majlis, or an activist of the national movement in the current Crimea, if he keeps with dignity, say to him: “Are not you afraid to become a” ischeznoventsem “Or:” Are not you afraid that tomorrow your children may disappear? “the practice is that even when Stalin was not done Yes, under Stalin dissidents killed, shot, but to openly say.” Tomorrow your children will disappear, if you behave this way “- is rarely practiced now revived all. most gloomy, it was under the Soviet regime.
Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Journalist Eider Muzhdabaev struck by the indifference of the Russian society.
Eider Muzhdabaev: I am struck by the passivity of the Russian society, which is already itself is on the verge of total repression. I am struck by the indifference of the Russian public, including the so-called liberal. I have all these strikes and sad surprise. It seems to me, no lessons were not learned. And just as the liberal Germans calmly looked at the beginning of repression against the Jews when Jewish organizations were forbidden, when only was the first voice that “Jews do us harm, we let it close, ban”, many were silent. And many journalists are silent, many public figures were silent. Why this silence led – can not remember. I think that here the silence that creates Russia with the Crimean Tatars, I regard as a sign of agreement with this policy. This stunning cowardice, which can not be explained by anything,
Vladimir Kara-Murza, Sr.: The website of the Human Rights Council under the President Nikolai Svanidze just plucked up courage and asked about the disappearance of the Crimean Tatars. It has been 9 people by the time it was last fall. And no one else has raised this issue with the authorities, with the Kremlin.
Valery Khomyakov: Unfortunately, it is. So it turns out that either it is not interesting to anyone of those people, journalists and human rights, or they go about their business, and they do not care about the Crimean Tatars.
I thought that’s what connection with our theme. It seems to be calm Republic of Tatarstan in the national plan. Although in the early 90’s there all the seething, and no less than in Chechnya. And only thanks to the Shaimiev could somehow prevent the explosion. Until recently. But recently I heard the news on one of the radio channels: Vsetatarsky community center (quite nationalistic) long statement currently no resemblance, and then decided to give some object Russian name. And now starting to raise the question of what we need to give the name Tatar.
Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Station Kazan subway, they want to rename.
Valery Khomyakov:Maybe it’s not so bad, but the fact that such an attitude to the citizens or to those organizations who are Muslims who allegedly considered Russian territory, according to the Crimea, our government and the majority of society, may wittingly or unwittingly encourage nationalist currents in the republics where Islam dominates. I would very much like to be wrong, but I fear that such a danger can arise. It is this: “You insult our there, so then let’s call a subway station, but not so.” And nationalism – this thing is so, it arises out of nothing, from scratch, it would seem. And that seems to be now seems peaceful enough, whether in Tatarstan and other republics … Sometimes the spark is enough to blazed that we observe between Armenia and Azerbaijan, and God forbid, if I was right. But I think,
Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Mustafa, I know that you do not recognize territorial changes that have occurred over the past two years. Who would you help to influence the situation? Maybe, the Moscow Helsinki Group? Or are you still be equal to the Ukrainian human rights activists?
Mustafa Dzhemilev: First, about Tatarstan. Tatarstan would like to put forward as a mediator. In the early days of the occupation, President of Tatarstan Minnikhanov obscene often came to the Crimea to persuade us that now we will be together with the Russian Federation. A power saw that there was no sense of that mediation, not even harm some … Because somehow become Tatar envoys from Tatarstan reason is not entirely wrong when he explained that this position is not acceptable to us, and them removed. And now there are visitors from Tatarstan virtually none. Basically right now visitors – it is the FSB.
Возникает вопрос: как защитить права крымских татар? Я об этом говорил и в Страсбурге, в Парламентской Ассамблее Совета Европы, в Совете Безопасности 18 марта. Защитить права крымских татар в оккупационном состоянии невозможно. Потому что в Российском государстве отсутствуют демократические свободы. И в оккупированных территориях они, конечно, не будут создавать какой-то демократический анклав. Поэтому единственный путь защиты наших прав – приложить все усилия для того, чтобы агрессор, оккупант покинул нашу территорию. Другого выхода я просто не вижу.
Of course, we are grateful to Kasyanov, who recently said that Crimea one way or another will be returned. And then I called from Moscow and said: “Why do you rely on this Kasyanov In the elections he gets no more than 7-8 percent of the vote?”. I say: “It’s great here is such propaganda, as if all the Russians – that!” Quilted jackets “Still 7-8 percent of normal people you have.”. And thank God, at least some have a layer that understands what’s what, guided by the interests of the people, and not some kind of chauvinistic ambitions. But, of course, sadly, that most glad that they have such a manual bandit that it snapped off part of the territory of another country. It’s very sad. It’s tragic and disastrous for Russia. This occupation, no one will ever admit. In Crimea, there is no prospect not only for the Crimean Tatar people, but also for the entire population. It will be subsidized, decaying region. Even Russian economists have estimated that every year include the Crimea, even in such a depressed state, as now, will cost the Russian budget in the $ 4-5 billion. Therefore, the only way – is the restoration of international law and the maintenance of invaders from our territory.
Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Can you recognize the jurisdiction of the Strasbourg Court of Human Rights and PACE? Or you do not want to admit that your rights are now being violated on the territory of Russia?
Mustafa Dzhemilev: Of course, we treat and will appeal. There is a decision of the Strasbourg Court on specific issues. But Russia is not fulfilling them. It does not fulfill even its own legislation. For example, the prohibition of the Majlis. The accusation is made up of 650 pages – it’s mostly excerpts from my speeches, Chubarov and other members of the Majlis that we do not recognize the occupation, we demand the withdrawal of foreign troops from our territory. And for this reason they say that we are encroaching on the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation and the Russian Federation poses a threat to security. So, the process is not over, not yet read the so-called decision of the court, and the Ministry of Justice has introduced Majlis in its list of banned extremist organizations. Where is the logic here? And recently, it was decided that Russia can not implement the decisions of international courts, including the European Court of Human Rights if they are contrary to the interests of Russia. So what the hell you were then to the European Council ?! There was a duty that you will comply with the decisions of the European Council and the European Court. Well, there is no logic. And we recognize and will recognize the judgments of the European Court.
Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Yes, the Constitutional Court did not accept to be able to vote to prisoners.
And how many of your like-minded people are now prisoners in Russian prisons?
Mustafa Dzhemilev: In total we have 13 members. There are three categories of prisoners. One category – it is for religious reasons. While there is nothing extremist they did not commit, they only found some literature, a Russian point of view – banned, extremist. The second group – those who met me May 3, 2014. It turns out that they illegally crossed the border. From the point of view of international law it is not a border. They moved from one part of Ukraine in the other. As a result, they have had clashes with riot police.
A third category, in which the sitting and the first deputy of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people Ahtem Chiygoz – this meeting February 26, 2014, before the so-called annexation, before the occupation, to the so-called referendum. The Crimean Tatars were against the attempts of the separatist forces in Crimea joining Russia. Here is the February 26 rally, they are regarded as unauthorized and illegal. And that, on 26 February we had to take permission to hold a rally? They act in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, and there did not have to take permission to hold rallies. Here on such absurd accusations is now Ahtemu Chiygozu faces from 15 and up to 20 years in prison. They believe that he organized a rally against annexation to Russia.
And most importantly – the situation of terror. In total, up to the end of last year was, in my opinion, more than 200 searches in homes, schools, mosques of the Crimean Tatars. 95-96 percent – it searches in the homes and in the schools of the Crimean Tatars.
Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: We expect that once again will be denied and the Day of memory of victims of deportation. Some hotheads think they can ban and Pushkin’s poem “The Fountain of Bakhchisarai” and mention of the Giray dynasty.
Sourse, 27/04/2016
