Crimea is not yours
In the program “Face-to-event” to “Radio Liberty” – an interview with the leader of the Crimean Tatar people, MP of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Mustafa Dzhemilev about what happened and is happening in Russia annexed Crimea.
Conversations at the international conference in Wroclaw memory of the poet Natalia Gorbanevskaya .
Mikhail Sokolov: Conference “Against war and violence.” Which was held November 29 and 30 in Poland in Wroclaw, it was dedicated to the memory of the poet and human rights activist Natalia Gorbanevskaya, one of the eight people who came to Red Square August 25, 1968, in protest against the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia. Participated in policy discussions, human rights activists, historians, writers from Russia, Ukraine, Poland, the protesters in Red Square in 1968. Pavel Litvinov and Viktor Feinberg. The leader of the Crimean Tatar people Mustafa Dzhemilev spoke about Natalia Gorbanevskaya.
Mustafa Dzhemilev: Dear friends, colleagues. A year as dead Natalia Gorbanevskaya. But we, the old dissidents, while we are still alive, perhaps we should talk about Natalia Gorbanevskaya. This is very important, because such people always lacked, then and now, and not to be missed in the future tense.
Already the first document, which was signed by the initiative group – it would appeal to the United Nations Commission on Human Rights, where there were 15 signatures of members of the initiative group, which spoke about the main crimes of the Soviet regime in the field of human rights, including mention of the struggle of the Crimean Tatar people to return to their homeland, about lawlessness of the Soviet authorities. It was one of the first documents, which allowed to bring the Crimean Tatar problem, the problem of the deported people to return to their historical homeland of the world community.
Arrest Natalia Gorbanevskaya very painful blow to the initiative of our group. Because a major role in the collection of materials, drafting, correcting and even many of the documents, which were issued by the initiative group of human rights, Natalia played Gorbanevskaya. There are these words: “And the good and evil – all die, so better to let the good we will remember.” Natalia Gorbanevskaya one of those people who will remember for a long time.
Mikhail Sokolov: “Poetry Natalia Gorbanevskaya inherits Russian civic poetry, with its idealism, the idea of man as a being, longing for justice, sacrifice and unselfish,” – said Grigory Yavlinsky. But, of course, the focus was not only poetry, but also the problems of human rights, ideals that were important for Natalia Gorbanevskaya, were central to her life.
The son of Natalia Gorbanevskaya – Jaroslav urged the authorities of Western countries demand that the Russian release of all political prisoners.
Jaroslav Gorbanevsky: Today I am in Wroclaw on the anniversary of my mother’s memory, which stands for your freedom and ours. For the freedom of all, in particular, for freedom of political prisoners. If we celebrate the memorial of her reward with something or just remember, just honestly could say: It stands for freedom, let us do as well as she did. We love her, we honor it, let’s do what she would have asked us to do. So today I asked Poland to those whose words at the official level is important, with a request: say three sentences, speaking officially, openly, publicly, tell those three phrases to release Russian prisoners.
Mikhail Sokolov: “Polish society is one in relation to assessment of the events in Ukraine and the aggression against it”, – said the president of the Polish Institute of National Remembrance Lukasz Kaminski. The famous Polish sociologist and translator of Adam Pomorsky believes that Putin managed to just a year to destroy what happened in Europe in the last quarter of a century.
At an international conference in Wroclaw, a resolution was adopted with the assessment of what is happening in Russia and Ukraine:
“We, the participants of the international conference” Days of memory Natali Gorbanevskoy “urge the Russian people do not support a regime that leads to disaster.
We appeal to the governments and citizens of the free world: do not throw the Ukraine alone. Stop Russian aggression.
We, friends and colleagues Natali Gorbanevskoy, appeal to the governments and citizens of the free world: ask the Russian authorities to release all political prisoners. “
The resolution is very important, – says human rights activist and historian Alexander Daniel:
At the international conference “Against war and violence” in the center of attention and was the Crimean Tatar issue.
About what is happening in the Crimea, now in the “Face-to-event”, we talk with the leader of the Crimean Tatar human rights movement, a deputy of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Mustafa Dzhemilev.
Mustafa, I would like to start a little distance in the same sense as were the relations of the Crimean Tatar people with the Ukrainian authorities in Crimea. Because today on this topic a lot of different fantasies, talk about what you and discriminated against in Ukraine. Like going back?
Mustafa Dzhemilev: Definitely, that any coherent policy of the Ukrainian state system against the Crimean Tatar people as an indigenous people of the peninsula, was not. Yes, Ukraine has declared that it recognizes the illegal deportation of the Crimean Tatars, has committed itself to solve all the social and legal problems of the Crimean Tatar people. In practice, it has done very little. We, the Crimean Tatars did not return what was illegally taken away.
On the one hand this is understandable. What to do with, say, the people who live in our homes. The state in this respect, has said that it is the best of its capabilities will solve social problems through the provision of the budget year in accordance with their capabilities, but stood minuscule, it did not cover a tenth of what is needed, not even was the fact income taxes, which was obtained in the Crimean Tatars working.
In general, the attitude of the Ukrainian establishment to the Crimean Tatars was such as to the voters. Upcoming elections, they proceed from the fact that the Crimean Tatars have consolidated electorate, the vast majority decision of its highest representative body of the Mejlis, the Kurultai, therefore, agreed with Parliament to the effect that we support them in the elections, and if they win, introduce some of its passage list one or two, depending on the capabilities of this political party, our representatives.
But Majlis has its basic principles. For example, even if the Communist Party offered us their entire list to give, we would not have voted. We have always supported the principle of national-democratic forces, they usually do not come to power. There was one case when Yushchenko was president, the party came to power. Then they began discord, they not only failed to fulfill the promises against the Crimean Tatars, but also generally in relation to other voters, too.
Worse it was the part of those who came to power. They are, as a rule, relied on in Russian, chauvinistic electorate. To us it was, at least, indifference, hostility under Yanukovych. Accordingly, the problem is not solved. If the Crimean Tatars in the autonomy is 14%, then in the structures, as we shall find in the local or regional elections executive, representative government depended places, and in the executive power structure the percentage of Crimean Tatars did not exceed 2.5-3%, that is discrimination 4-5. Accordingly, no other problems were solved. Not because Ukraine was chauvinistic, great-approach to the Crimean Tatars. Due, in particular, the fact that the Crimea – is a region where the vast majority are ethnic Russian, who moved primarily, more than 80%
The stereotype, which was implemented for decades, that drove away it is true that they are traitors, all of this favorably perceived by them, give peace of mind, as they took home, whom they sent to death, and then it turns out, it turns out, that they are bad. Here is the promotion lasted for many years, and it was passed down from generation to generation.
Mikhail Sokolov: Crimean authorities with those who led the executive branch, could agree, or they had a special respect for its Kiev, more rigid with respect to the Crimean Tatar people politics?
Mustafa Dzhemilev: Definitely all, who heads the executive branch can not. Were more or less pragmatic, to the best of their abilities a little bit more far-sighted than towards others. The last prime minister of Mogilev, ardent chauvinist who in the press openly justified the deportation of Crimean Tatars, said it was the “fifth column”. What can you negotiate with them? Respectively had the chauvinistic policy. He fully supported, as well as his chief of Yanukovich, a pro-Russian on the Russian majority. In between, there were some people, such as the Prime Minister Kunitsyn or Speaker of the Verkhovna Rada Gritsenko, who understood that if you do not solve the problem of the Crimean Tatars, then this is the way to conflict, then they will not be able, and for ourselves to get something. That is a more pragmatic, more prone to the Crimean Tatars.
Mikhail Sokolov: Did you have any suggestions that might be organized in the Crimea coup with the participation of Russian law enforcement agencies, with the participation of Aksenov groups, and so on?
Mustafa Dzhemilev: For a long time, my view was that the current situation in Russia is unlikely to direct annexation, most likely Russia will always create tensions, create problems Ukraine to the fact that they could not create an independent policy. But the fact that so and will move its troops, chop off another part of the territory, in the twenty-first century, it seemed incredible. But after the 2008 Russian-Georgian war, I was probably one of the first, which opened in the press, in the newspaper “Day” said that next in line could be Ukraine. I even said so, that repeated a similar scenario. If, for example, in Georgia, South Ossetia and Abkhazia strenuously heard Russian passports, then about the same thing happens. I cited statistics on how much we have in the Crimea there is people who have Russian passports, analysis of the elections to the authorities of Russia. Sets the polling stations, and those who have Russian passports, vote. Based on the fact that it was not quite comfortable to come from one village to another in the elections, we did this offer and come to the conclusion that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel. who have Russian passports, vote. Based on the fact that it was not quite comfortable to come from one village to another in the elections, we did this offer and come to the conclusion that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel. who have Russian passports, vote. Based on the fact that it was not quite comfortable to come from one village to another in the elections, we did this offer and come to the conclusion that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel. that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel. that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel.
I also said that a serious threat to the security of Ukraine is the Black Sea fleet, so you should immediately proceed to the denunciation of the contract with Russia on the Black Sea Fleet. Although I suggest what may be the cost, what penalties, but the security interests should be paramount. Of course, to take a course to join the North Atlantic alliance.
But authorities did exactly the opposite. It was still under Yushchenko, and after a while came to power Yanukovych, it is not something to denounce, the term had come to an end in 2017, it extended for another 25 years under the pretext that Putin promised to reduce the price of gas at one hundred dollars per thousand cubic meters. This, in my view, was a real betrayal. No wonder at the statement, upon ratification of this treaty were just fights in the parliament. But the power they have, and they were able to push through it.
So later I saw an analytical report of the Security Service of the Crimea to his superiors in Kiev, where about my statement saying that the Majlis takes a provocative attitude, actions are aimed to spoil fraternal relations between the two countries. That is, we are provocateurs, because we want to withdraw the Black Sea Fleet.
Summing up, I want to say that there have been indications that this can happen, though not fully believe it. Moreover, that the head of state for a few months before, when he was asked the question, that, well, there is talk that the Russian claim to Crimea, how do you assess, it clearly states that this is nonsense, it’s nonsense, it provocation, we respect the state border of Ukraine, is coming up with different provocateurs. And suddenly this development. Arguments to justify this policy and the introduction of its troops on our territory, of course, does not stand up to scrutiny. The claims that if the Ukraine to establish a fascist regime, Bandera, that there almost chase through the streets and kill everyone who is not a fascist – it was such wildness directly posed on its head.
with full responsibility that in all the years of Ukraine’s independence is now just after Independence and Revolution, established in all branches of government, the executive and the Cabinet of Ministers, the Verkhovna Rada most that eat the most democratic system of governance.
Please note though that we have parliamentary speaker with a typical Ukrainian surname Groisman, Interior Minister Avakian. There generally are not interested in the nationality of the one prescribed.
Such wild fancies as if created a threat to the Russian-speaking population in the regions, especially in the depths of Russia, who did not know that we have going on, it may be held.
Mikhail Sokolov: Still grouping Aksenov, what is it? You come across these people? They got 3 or 5% in the last election and now they are the real power.
Mustafa Dzhemilev: Since 2009, they could not be heard on the political horizon, but in 2009 they created a group called “Russian unity”, this populist theme that Russian should unite to defend their rights. Pro-Russian rhetoric has been a lot of that is historical, but frankly, it is necessary to separate the Crimea from Ukraine and Russia attach to such slogans they had, but was clearly pro-Russian. We knew that he was very powerfully supported by a neighboring state, and not very successful, because it is a serious election votes are not typed. At the same time, it was known that this Aksenov named “Goblin” has managed to place in different power structures, primarily in the prosecutor’s office, his men, who defended them when they came across a not very nice things. But still, of course, governed from the Kremlin, Moscow, itself the Goblin could not do anything until you go to some order. All revolutions, it is no secret, it is not carried out “Russian unity”, and specific powers which belong to the Russian military.
Mikhail Sokolov: If we talk about the events of the beginning of the winter and spring, say, February, was there a real opportunity to confront once this coup, say, the same Crimean Tatars, who took to the streets, and then somehow disappeared from the streets?
Mustafa Dzhemilev: I can say that for 100% could resist, if not for the intervention of the neighboring country. Because seized Parliament, the Council of Ministers of autonomy is not Russian bloc and the so-called “little green men” – a cadre people trained terrorists with all equipment. Therefore, it was not, someone who will overcome on the Crimean peninsula, there is dictated by external forces.
Mikhail Sokolov: It was not here for your mistakes? Demonstrations, in my opinion, continued for three days, then somehow were discontinued. If the demonstrations continued, maybe Putin does not want to take the risk?
Mustafa Dzhemilev: Completely eliminate what you said, it is also impossible, this view has a right to exist. But as the events unfolded. What this rally going? To Parliament adopted the decision that they were motivated by the Kremlin, to accede to Russia. Accordingly, the Crimean Tatars were against. Failed. This is the 26th confrontation, they collected three or four thousand of his supporters brought up by buses from all edges, including Sevastopol. Crimean Tatars, there were three or four times more pushed.
The very next day the room occupied by terrorists. These terrorists have a pass allowed deputies at the entrance to the Parliament have seized mobile phones, in front of each stand when put to the vote, keep track of who like to vote, and like they scored either 56, or 57 votes, but there were only 46 votes, according to some reports. However, they declared that the deputies voted to join Russia. Even if it was 90%, still it is illegitimate.
What kind of parliament where the barrel behind you indicate how to vote. There are people, of course, can be and have been inclined to vote for certain decisions, but they are likely to vote when they will be paid, but not when forced to. There simply forced. Already carried out any actions aimed at the liberation of the occupied territories, it was obvious bloodshed. Also in Kiev, we were asked not to go, not to provoke, not to allow that Putin was a reason for the introduction of troops. There even was talk that preparing provocations that have had to find two or three dead Russian soldiers, of course, killed the Crimean Tatars, then start a campaign against the Crimean Tatars. We are seriously afraid of this and warned the press that there are our sources of information. They are the soldiers did not kill. Crimean Tatars,
Mikhail Sokolov: You can specify: Kiev – who is this? These people have families, and so on?
Mustafa Dzhemilev: Then was the speaker of the Verkhovna Rada of Turchynov, Prime Minister Yatsenyuk. I’m not going to blame them, their order can be correctly and completely wrong. That’s right, if there really ready for something bloody, and they acted very humanely, saying he did not go out and do not lose their lives. And if this confidence was not simply give in to terrorists, to leave them unpunished, moreover, had the opportunity to neutralize them and do not do – is, of course, raises a number of questions as to why it was not done.
Mikhail Sokolov: I understand that at this stage the victims were just among the Crimean Tatars, a man was killed there. It was possible to find out what happened and who’s to blame him?
Mustafa Dzhemilev: It is not these days, later it was. March 3 area came Crimean Tatar, Ukrainian flag wrapped, said he was against the occupation, it was then in front of all the people was pushed into a car and drove away. Then a week later his body was found with signs of violence, tied with adhesive tape, to the naked eye it was clear that killed stabbed in the eye. The fact that this operation vykradyvaniyu human and murder carried out so-called “self-defense”, where all the thugs in the Crimea, we had no doubt. The fact that the FSB and then say that they can not identify, can not be established – is babbling. If YouTube can recognize who pushes him, the experts have been even more so. This concerns not only the first but also the subsequent vykradyvany people.
Mikhail Sokolov: We stayed on repression. The repression against the Crimean Tatars from the people who occupied the Crimea, they almost immediately started after the occupation?
Mustafa Dzhemilev: We have accurate information that the Russian political establishment had a dual attitude to the developments in Crimea and, in particular, in relation to the Crimean Tatars. Part of the establishment came from the fact that the Crimean Tatars have to agree, especially with Parliament, because the vast majority of Crimean Tatars are guided by the Majlis. This explains the invitation to Moscow for talks, the arrival of numerous delegations from Russia, Tatarstan, Bashkortostan, to negotiate with the Majlis of the Crimean Tatar people.
Mikhail Sokolov: We can remember how there was this type of negotiation process that they are offered to you?
Mustafa Dzhemilev: From the outset, they had prepared, and even adopted a draft resolution of the Verkhovna Rada of the Autonomous Republic, where Crimean Tatars 23% of guaranteed representation in all structures of power in all branches of government, including in parliament. That is allocated a quota under this quota choose themselves Crimean Tatars. The functioning of the Crimean Tatar language as one of the official on the territory of Crimea. Thirdly, the return of the Crimean Tatars, who were forced to lie outside of the Crimea. It was assumed that the measures will be taken public, including financial ones, in order to facilitate their return to the territory of Crimea. What will be restored historical place names of the Crimea – it is more than 1,200 settlements, which at one time after the deportation of the Crimean Tatars were Russified: Tank, Armored,
And most significant is that these people, who came to power and brought them, the “Goblin”, I mean Aksenov, who poison breathed in the Majlis, always stated that it is an illegal structure, so-and-so, all of a sudden in this decision stated that they will be officially recognized, the Crimean Tatar Kurultai and Majlis. That is, there was such a direct calculation that the Crimean Tatars to celebrate, to cling to these opportunities and say how happy they are to be in the Russian Federation. But this is not passed.
The upper hand in policy toward the Crimean Tatars began to occupy the “hawks”, who initially said that the Tatars Crimean impossible to negotiate, especially with Parliament, so you need to act only traditional exhaust not only in Soviet Russia, but also in pre-revolutionary methods separation of the Crimean Tatars into good and bad, the repression that, in fact, done.
Mikhail Sokolov: What kind of repression took place today?
Mustafa Dzhemilev: Mass no arrests have massive searches under the pretext that they allegedly looking for weapons, in some cases, they say the drugs, although it seems absurd, with no data, they say, Behold, we are looking for drugs. Weapons, drugs, and the third, the most vulnerable – is the search for banned books. They made a list of forbidden books of more than 2600 titles, but this is an incomplete list.
We first talked about 40 searches the Crimean Tatars in their homes, mosques, schools, and they turned out to be much larger. Some houses were searched and immediately threatened that if someone knows about it, then let him think about the children. Closed searches were carried out mainly by so-called “self-defense”. They were taken during the search, not only as a traditional FSB conducts searches, seized computers, materials, they still grab that will attract them.
Mikhail Sokolov: “self-defense” forces – what is this? It’s illegal armed formation of Russian legislation?
Mustafa Dzhemilev: Illegal, but they wanted to legalize, prepared a draft resolution, it is volunteers who are patriotic reasons.
Mikhail Sokolov: Type the terrorists?
Mustafa Dzhemilev: The guards did not have guns, and they – and their body armor and equipment, machines, all they have.
Mikhail Sokolov: So it’s actually a gang. What quantity of these gangs?
Mustafa Dzhemilev: Hard to say, a few hundred. To my mind. May 3, when I do not miss, Aksenov issued the call to gather all the members of groups “self-defense”, wherever they were, they say, is about to start a war with the Crimean Tatars.
Mikhail Sokolov: On May 3. As I understand it, when you did not miss, people have been trying somehow to express his opinion, the demonstration carried out now, as I understand it, are repression, searches and arrests?
Mustafa Dzhemilev: yesterday reported that the arrested four people accused in the case that he had illegally crossed the state border between the Crimea and Ukraine, from the point of view of international law is absurd, at 100%, you can be sure that the European Court of Human Rights is do not recognize.
They formed the gang mainly of so-called Cossacks, former gebistov who were werewolves, who served in the Security Service of Ukraine, but among them there are those who have never been in the Crimea, so to speak softer.
They basically do the dirty work, they are not an independent force. I am absolutely certain that if the central Russian government was interested in the fact that they were not idle, then so be it was. We have the impression that this was done deliberately in order to intimidate people, to force ourselves to leave the territory of Crimea.
Mikhail Sokolov: The case of the third, as I understand it, is used in the same spirit as the “swamp thing” in Russia, to intimidate people. Are there any prospects that it can grow?
Mustafa Dzhemilev: expanding, looking to what extent. If it’s a bloody showdown, the Majlis will make every effort, that it was not, because it would mean the death of our people.
Mikhail Sokolov: If even a few dozen people arrested?
Mustafa Dzhemilev: There are different options. They came to me people who said that we are also able to easily steal them. I said that we can not go on this way, we are not terrorists, we are not going to steal one. That is, I come to a standstill, it is difficult to answer unequivocally. When your rights are harshly suppressed, bullied, whether it is necessary to respond with violence? It seems to be logical, to your land came the soldiers of another country, dictates the rules, he put on you bastards, that humiliate your dignity. Exit what? Well, war, shot one, two, three, they are the same in a few hours, especially now, when the trap snapped shut, no were not allowed there, without any witnesses, can do anything you want, and then press to declare that the Crimean Tatars fought among themselves, the different clans killed themselves.
Mikhail Sokolov: So you are for non-violent resistance?
Mustafa Dzhemilev: I would not say in the absolute non-violent. We have on this subject often appeared that there is no alternative. If the armed forces should adhere to the principle of nonviolence, why do they need, what machines, which should never shoot? In the military department has its own standard of behavior should have been, it may be there, but it was not observed. According to various estimates, there were about 14,000 armed forces on the territory of Crimea. Conditions in order to participate in the war, not what win any concessions to get their rights – it was unreal.
Mikhail Sokolov: We often hear that Ukraine has made a mistake, if it had at least a minimal resistance in the Crimea, there would be no hike Strelkova in Donbass and other actions.
Mustafa Dzhemilev: we have a lot to discuss on this topic. Arguments such that, say, guided by humane considerations, not to dying people. Why then keep the army? Who wants to come, chop off, which you need to territory. For the military is not an argument, not to resist.
This is largely demoralized in some way, and those citizens who remained in the Crimea loyal to their state. They were amazed at how this is so, a weapon that is bought at the expense of the taxpayers, just as the aggressor. There are other reasons, it turns out, did not want to provoke, like people did not die.
Mikhail Sokolov: As a result, they do not die in the Crimea and the Donbas.
Mustafa Dzhemilev: And die in the Crimea.
Mikhail Sokolov: What is the current economic situation in the Crimea, according to your data? What is happening and what is going on with the same Crimean Tatars, still they are in the agricultural sector is largely involved?
Mustafa Dzhemilev: None agriculture or tourism, which was one of the main sources of income in the Crimea, now do not have to say, because who wants to relax in the occupied territory, besides not go any traffic reports, no planes, no boats.
Mikhail Sokolov: prices are rising?
Mustafa Dzhemilev: prices are rising, but the Russian government has raised some salaries and pensions, too. By many indicators that tell me this in some way compensates for the fact that prices have risen. Therefore, the money received would like a little more, but also have to spend more on the same products. This is one.
Secondly, the threat to agriculture. It’s no secret that more than 80% of water, including irrigation purpose water comes from the mainland. If you block the water, and she was partially blocked because something is destroyed, then the autonomous republic no other way to try to solve to get water from underground sources, and use this water to irrigate the land – it’s just a crime, causing great environmental damage . But with no other choice, they do it. They have caused great damage to the ecology of the Crimea is due to the fact that the drilled, fetched water to watered.
Mikhail Sokolov: Say, can we say that Crimea is an economic blockade on the part of Ukraine after the adoption of the law on the occupied territories?
Mustafa Dzhemilev: No there is no blockade. Even we have information that the time since the occupation of the Crimean port of call in 69 vehicles.
Mikhail Sokolov: It is almost a year?
Mustafa Dzhemilev: If we assume that in March-April to date. I say 69 because the number was exactly in the list of names of ships that call at ports of Crimea, Attorney General of illegal crossing of the territory, including entering our territorial waters.
Mikhail Sokolov: The ships do not come legally, agriculture in poor condition, and people than live?
Mustafa Dzhemilev: Most jobs servicing the military complex. They launched a very large military preparations. Yesterday came from the Crimea, said that a huge amount of cement being taken, where used to be a nuclear repository, all signs want to restore it.
Across the road the Crimea build, is clearly not in order to make people comfortable, and for military purposes, especially in the northern parts. Openly say that military action will begin soon on the border between the Crimea and Kherson area. Due to this, in the main.
In this situation, the Crimean Tatars is very difficult. Because if you’re doing a job that serves the military, you have to give the oath of allegiance to Russia. Someone in desperation goes for it. At this very well speculate Russian media, be sure to remove, will be shown on the Internet, how to swear allegiance to Russia.
Mikhail Sokolov: The bridge will be built in the Crimea, do you think? Something that will change fundamentally?
Mustafa Dzhemilev: Regarding the construction of the bridge, at the time it was engaged and Hitler did not succeed. Maybe if I exert some effort. But this bridge is illegal because it has to be agreed with the Ukrainian government.
Mikhail Sokolov: What do you propose to do now Crimean Tatars, you – the leader of the Majlis, you are on the territory of Ukraine, you home is not allowed, and what do the people who were left?
Mustafa Dzhemilev: It’s hard sitting in Kiev, give instructions, from our point of view, the most correct. People there are very hard. Of course, we’d love to have one of the Crimean Tatars did not take Russian citizenship, so they boycotted. But this is impossible, impossible. Would that they are empty of peace, but the resistance of rallies, demonstrations.
It also let to mass arrests, top kills. Therefore, we stick to the traditional way – non-violent resistance, defending their dignity. This is not entirely successful, because there is such a massive pressure, such as never was under Soviet rule.
Mikhail Sokolov: There collaborators?
Mustafa Dzhemilev: A Frenchman once said: if some people do not drug addicts, prostitutes, traitors, what kind of a nation? Of course, there will probably be. The main thing is that their number was not some sort of critical mass.
I can say that with this case from the Russian occupation authorities is very great difficulties. Yes, they recruit someone, put on some positions, while at the same time do spit, they say that there is nobody behind them, their people despise, arms not served. Keep what you have. Of course there will, probably.
Mikhail Sokolov: Do you regret that in Tatarstan President Putin failed to agree somehow or the other way around, which is not declared him a tougher stance?
Mustafa Dzhemilev: I without offense, but said its tough stance. When Putin said that to solve all the problems of the Crimean Tatars, I did not refuse this aid, of course, Russia is responsible for the situation in which we find ourselves. We were a part of Russia, when we were deported. Be so kind as to solve issues following the withdrawal of your troops from our territory. Decide at the negotiating table with our guidance. And to ensure that these negotiations take place, again, you need to withdraw its troops. Putin, too, thought that if the mountain to promise things, the more given that the Crimean Tatars and the Ukrainian authorities were in the same position, for some reason they hoped that we easily persuaded. Since this did not happen, they are focused on their traditional methods – repression, attempts to split and so on.
Mikhail Sokolov: What will you do in the Verkhovna Rada is now, in the new structure?
Mustafa Dzhemilev: I have always said and say that alone solve the problem of the Crimean Tatars without reference to the problems of the whole of Ukraine is impossible. Of course, we will strive to a sharp improvement in the economic situation in Ukraine, strengthening defense capabilities. Because that’s exactly what if our defenses were not in such a catastrophic situation, as in recent years our President Yanukovych, Putin would hardly have brought their troops.
Of course, we will work a lot at the international level, because the Western countries should fulfill their commitments. Even it’s not that they were concerned about Ukrainians and Crimean Tatars, everyone has their own interests. Because if you close your eyes to this international robbery in the XXI century – is the way to a very large disaster.
Mikhail Sokolov: “Our country is in danger tanks in a strange land” – these words said to the invasion of Czechoslovakia by Russian poet Alexander Galich. Today, the Russians have the right to repeat these words.
Today, the Russian tanks again in a strange land, people today again imprisoned, because they are fighting for freedom. It is a threat to all of us. For our freedom and yours!
Sourse, 02/12/2014
