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Crimean Tatars: the nation’s tragedy

April 28, 2016

Ban the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people has strongly condemned the US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland. Speaking April 27 during his visit to Kiev, she stressed that this outrageous decision violates the democratic rights of the entire “historical community.”

The EU called the ban the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people, a serious attack on the rights of the Crimean Tatars and evidence of further deterioration of the human rights situation in Russia annexed Crimea. This is stated in the statement of the European External Action Service.

“It is necessary without delay to ensure full compliance with international standards of human rights and other obligations under international law, in particular, in this case in relation to the Crimean Tatars community”, – the statement says.

April 26 Russian-controlled Crimea Supreme Court acknowledged Majlis extremist organization and banned its activities on Russian territory. Thus I was satisfied the claim of the Crimean prosecutor Natalia Poklonsky, which accused the Majlis in the anti-Russian activities.

Tragic history and current problems of the Crimean Tatar people to discuss politics Mustafa Dzhemilev (Kyiv), the political analyst Valery Khomyakov , the journalist Eider Muzhdabaev (Kiev).

Moderator – Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior .

Vladimir Kara-Murza, Sr.: The EU called the ban the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people, a serious attack on the rights of the Crimean Tatars and evidence of further deterioration of the human rights situation in Russia annexed Crimea.

On Tuesday, the Russian-controlled Crimea Supreme Court recognized the Majlis extremist organization and banned its activities on Russian territory. Thus, the request Natalia Poklonsky, Crimean prosecutor was satisfied that the Majlis has accused of anti-Russian activities.

Tragic history and current problems of the Crimean Tatars, we will discuss with our guest – political analyst Valeriem Homyakovym.

Valery, whether offensive to all the people the motivation to deport him because they collaborated with the German occupiers?

Valery Khomyakov:This is an old story. Of course, in every nation, including in Russian, in the war years were, to put it mildly, the traitors, collaborators. They were also among the Chechen people, and among the Crimean Tatars. But because of this, should not suffer the nations as a whole. And here we are seeing a massive attempt to present the enemy all the Crimean Tatar people – as well as others, in particular Kalmyks … I lived as a child in the Altai region, and I had a friend – Kalmyk, who was with his family to get evicted. This happened a long time ago. And when allowed, they returned to Kalmykia. Here the story is more tragic because the Crimean Tatars were able to return to the Crimea alone, in my opinion, in the late ’80s, under Gorbachev, if I do not get them mixed up. Of course, it is an insult. To them in everyday life looked upon as some traitors, fascist hirelings. All this affects the relationship of the Crimean Tatars in the circles in which they lived. This Stalinist attempt to present the people as their enemies of the fatherland, of course, terrible.

Unfortunately, what we are seeing is, in part looks like this, including the recent decision of which you have said. Although it was preceded by a lengthy process. It is not easy to feed Mrs. Poklonsky all it appeared. After the Crimea was annexed to the Russian Federation, as far as I know, we were set up parallel to the Crimean Tatar structure. They created three for two years, – sworn allegiance to Moscow to agree with everything. And creates an illusion: think of it, the Majlis – the body established at the time the Kurultai, and in fact all Crimean Tatars rallied around the governor of the Kremlin in the Crimea – Mr. Aksenov.

На мой взгляд, дело обстоит не так. Подобного рода вещи практиковались, практикуются и будут практиковаться. Что, на мой взгляд, не приводит к тем результатам, которые замышляли их инициаторы. Расколоть крымский народ не удастся. Были отдельные люди, которые в годы войны сотрудничали с немецкими оккупантами, и сейчас есть нечто подобное. Но в целом крымский народ, как мне кажется, един в своем желании сохранить свою самобытность, свои обычаи. Он един в желании не подвергаться давлению из Москвы, из Киева или еще откуда-то. Это закаленные люди. В генах этих людей – стремление сохранить свое достоинство. А сейчас мы видим попытки растоптать это достоинство – попытки крайне неуклюжие, о чем достаточно справедливо заметил Евросоюз.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: We connected Mustafa Dzhemilev, the former Soviet political prisoner, leader of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people, MP of the Verkhovna Rada.

Mustafa, held true whether the rehabilitation of the Crimean Tatars after Stalin’s deportation?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: No Ukraine deported Crimean Tatars and the Soviet Union. Therefore, it was the adoption of the law on the restoration of political and social rights of the Crimean Tatar people. The Ukrainian parliament has been quite a lot of forces that resist it – pro-Russian forces, the Communists. It was not possible. But after the occupation, somewhere this law was passed in the 20 days of March. There clearly is called deportation as a crime against humanity, and adopted a series of measures aimed at restoring. But time has been lost. This law should have been taken long ago.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: And who of Russian dissidents and human rights activists fought along with you for the restoration of the rights of your people? Everyone remembers the fate of General Grigorenko. What was this man?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Our national movement was democratic, so it attracted the sympathy of many human rights defenders, enlightened people. Among the Russian intelligentsia, one of the first who spoke out in defense of the rights of the Crimean Tatar people was writer Aleksey Kosterin. He drew attention to this problem General Pyotr Grigorenko. By the time he was a political prisoner. And somewhere in the 66-year, in my opinion, he is actively involved in our national movement. You could say he was one of the authorities. In those days in the homes of the Crimean Tatars could often be seen portraits are not only veterans of the national movement, but Petra Grigorenko. Indeed, it was a very brave man who did everything in his power. He has made an invaluable contribution to our national movement, and primarily in the promotion,

And it must be said about Sakharov, who was connected to the issue later, but he was also very effective in its activities in support of our national movement.

If we follow the trials of the national movement activists, among them there were a lot of Russian, Ukrainian, Baltic defenders who in one way or another in contact with the national movement of the Crimean Tatars, and expressed to him the solidarity support. And you’re right: Pyotr Grigorenko – it is the brightest figure in our national movement.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: recently filmed a feature film about the tragedy of your people. But it is still not allowed on the Russian screen. Remind them that it is for the film, and why he has such a hard fate rolling.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: This is the first and only feature film on the subject. Our entrepreneur to finance it. It is called “Haytarma”. Haytarma – is a dance, but then “Haytarma” – a return to his homeland. The film speaks of deportation. According to some estimates, something softened. A pro-Russian people say it shows too cruel. From our point of view, the film turned out to be very successful.

And Russia is reviving the Stalinist regime, at least – in the occupied Crimea. And any films, books exposing the Soviet government policies perceived as an insult to the Russian people and the Russian Federation.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Valery, after the deportation of only two people not been restored statehood – a Volga Germans and Crimean Tatars. Why Khrushchev was afraid to return to their statehood?

Valery Khomyakov: Hard to say, because of what is happening. There are many cities in the Saratov region, where the Volga Germans lived before the war was a republic of the Volga Germans. Apparently, the Soviet Union then leaders feared would create a kind of enclave that is because of their dissatisfaction with the fact that they were driven at the time from their homes, to create a structure that can be “total maverick.”

Chechens and Kalmyks returned to their land, gained statehood, at least, that they now have in the form of republics within the Russian Federation. But the Crimean Tatars and Volga Germans fate was more tragic. Many Germans have left their historical homeland, because the law of the Federal Republic of Germany, ethnic German is actually considered to be a citizen of the Federal Republic of Germany. A Crimean Tatars go particularly nowhere. Someone went to a variety of reasons, but mostly they are somehow tied to the land where they were born. Crimea for the Crimean Tatars – this is the Promised Land, they were born there, and much earlier, than there came the Russian troops. This distinguishes the fate of the Volga Germans from the fate of the Crimean Tatars, which, unfortunately, is not so happy as we would like.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Let’s listen to a journalist Eider Muzhdabaeva, deputy director general of the Crimean Tatar TV channel the ATR, which believes that the ban Majlis almost impossible.

Eider Muzhdabaev: prohibitions against the Majlis – a symbolic act, since it is impossible to ban the Mejlis, because he was never officially registered. This Crimean Tatar self-government, which is almost 30 years old. Therefore, the ban in formal terms is negligible.

And with the actual point of view, this means not ban the Mejlis, and the fact that they facilitate the process itself of repression against the Crimean Tatars. That is no longer necessary to prove fictitious guilt – some phony terrorism, which they can not nobody “sew” in the Crimea for two years looking for weapons and explosives in their homes, but nothing, of course, can not be found. Will not need to ascribe any other illegal actions – mass disorders, which are trying to concoct criminal cases, the reason for that, too, of course, was not. All this bogus charges. They are tired of this formality, as in his time Stalin NKVDshniki tired of the first trials. So they then came up with the “troika” and the people began to quickly judge and destroy the plant. The same purpose, there are in the decision. Accused of involvement in the Majlis of Crimean Tatar can be any. Now, any book with a portrait of Cemil will be the basis for the Russian court. Gates for mass repressions opened.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Mustafa, remind, please, what was the statutory objectives of the Mejlis, speaking bureaucratic language? For which he was created?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: It is the representative body of the Crimean Tatar people, which defends the rights of the Crimean Tatars in local government, that is to promote and co-operation with the authorities to solve our problems, as well as to represent Crimean Tatars at the international level. Before ’91, when it was created our first Kurultai and Majlis elected, we can say that a full representative of the Crimean Tatar people was the National Movement of Crimean Tatars. A 89-year – The organization of the Crimean Tatar national movement.

And in the run-up of the Soviet Union, when there was a “restructuring”, it was possible to hold elections – though not quite openly, but, nevertheless, there was such an opportunity – decided to establish a representative body of the Crimean Tatars, who is elected directly by the people, regardless whether it is involved in the national movement or not. And here on the principle of “one delegate to the national convention of thousands of people” across the Soviet Union, where Crimean Tatars lived, held elections of delegates. So, these delegates were chosen at the national congress of 250 people. He was called the Second National Congress, because the First National Congress was in the 17th year of its shot by the Bolsheviks. And the National Congress elected by ballot 33 human members of the Majlis for five years – is the executive body of the Kurultai of the Crimean Tatar people. But this is the tip of the iceberg.

Then came the elections of local and regional Mejlis in all the places of residence of the Crimean Tatars. Thus, the last elections were in 2012, at the time of the occupation of the Crimea were about 230 local and regional majlis, which involved a total of 2 000 300 people. Therefore, when we speak of the prohibition of the Majlis – is not only a ban on 33 persons, but also the entire system of the national government of the Crimean Tatar people. That is only 2 thousand 300 local and regional members of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people, the Kurultai delegates in total – somewhere in the 2.5 thousand people. In accordance with the logic of the Russian law they are called extremists. And the one who helps or elect these “extremists” – is also a kind of “extremists.” And it turns out that almost all Crimean Tatar people can be called “

So now, maybe not immediately, but it offers scope for large-scale repression against the whole of the Crimean Tatar people.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Eider Muzhdabaev believes that the international community is powerless to help the Crimean Tatars.

Eider Muzhdabaev: The international community can not do anything other than allegations. In general, none of the Crimean Tatars is not acting, except a tiny group of conscientious people in Russia. It will, of course, to the massive repression against the Crimean Tatars. And most importantly – to the atmosphere of total fear. Already, people are on the phone talking very cautiously, afraid to say an extra word. I know the atmosphere among the Crimean Tatars – it is terrible, this atmosphere of insecurity, injustice, in the 30s.

They should completely suppress the Crimean Tatar people, to destroy it as an entity, leave it only as a screen, to in some celebrations people trained tray pasties and kissed portraits of Putin. They also understand that the Crimean Tatars will never put up with this, will never recognize the results of the illegal conduct and fraudulent, shameful referendum in which 97 percent of the allegedly favored the Crimea joining Russia. Of course, this is complete nonsense. Crimean Tatars in general on this referendum did not go. And these results could not be. But the Crimean Tatars – is the main piece of evidence in the case of the illegal annexation of Crimea. And this evidence, of course, must be destroyed. To be neither heard nor seen the Crimean Tatars to all feared. Now they will threaten, so people who can not live in this atmosphere will leave.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: And it likely that in this way almost all the people outlawed?

Valery Khomyakov:It turns out so. At least that is what we are now seeing, and events that do not bring the Lord, will be developed in this way. Crimean Tatar – now more than banderovets from Western Ukraine. And their stooges sitting in the Crimea. That will be, I think, the supply of our “great” promoters, which are now the subject of the Crimean Tatar people can grasp and apply them as “corrupt hirelings Ukrainian, Kiev junta West, the State Department and all the rest.” We have seen this in other examples. And unfortunately, nothing good about it for ordinary citizens of Russia. Because once it ends. And the desire of the machine, which consumes (or trying to eat) all dissent and all those people who believe that we shall make a great stupidity on the Crimea – on this machine will devour the people already in Moscow, as it is done.

But I ask another question: what does it do its proponents? Well, all the people in prison will not plant, in which Stalin was convinced: tried – failed. Hitler tried to do – also failed. Someone thinks that Putin will succeed? No, it will not work. Sooner or later, this story will end, and the reputation of our country in view of the fact that leadership behaves … I do not think this is the Kremlin’s decision. I think it has matured into a beautiful head of Mrs. Poklonsky, which has, in my opinion, even the generals began. Its rapid political rise, it is now almost the most popular man in Russia. I would place Mr Chaika bother for the armchair. With such prospects it can safely move to the Big Dmitrovka, where the Prosecutor General’s Office. Well, you can not go on about the ambitions, let the pretty and young ladies in the form of public prosecutor. The damage is much higher.

Do not you put down the Crimean Tatar people, for all your wish. I repeat, it is in the genes of these people – resistance. Stalin raised their lives, and some post-Soviet. I remember when it all started. Then Crimea Yuriy Meshkov was president, and Sergei Tsekov, in my opinion, was the chairman of the Supreme Council.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: A Prime Minister was, in my opinion, an economist Yevgeny Saburov.

Valery Khomyakov: I remember those times, since then has been one of the leaders of the “Democratic Party of Russia.” Many have tried to meet with Nikolai Travkin, then leader, and he sent them to me, “Yuri Meshkov come talk to him.” I say, “Who is this?” – “President of the Crimea.” I do not remember, I met with him or not, A S Tsekovym exactly met. And then he drew me a terrible picture that returned Crimean Tatars, trying to seize the land. But they are not trying to take away, they just want to go back to where they were illegally rounded up in due time. By the way, it is, I believe, was, perhaps, one of those people with whom he started. And then I went to the then Supreme Council and, apparently, tried to cry out: “Help us now! We are the Crimean Tatars to places sleeves protect us.!”

This myth in the early ’90s seriously affected some of our politicians. Maybe even some Boris Yeltsin, who could call Mr. Kravchuk and say, “You there is not very much .. Help, and we are now you’ll have such autonomy in the Crimea!” There are a bunch of contradictions and partly inexperience then Russian authorities. Maybe you can forgive her for what was then the Russian Federation was not to the Crimea. But if you rewind the tape back, probably could find a common language with the then leadership of the Crimea, which is a short time, thank God, sat, and find some digestible formula to Crimean Tatars received their national autonomy on the Crimean peninsula. Do not go for it. As a result, the disease persists, it is not resolved.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: And what progress has been made during the democratization? I know that it was possible to create a number of schools in the Crimean Tatar language, a little restore land rights. How did you begin this process, which seems to go positive?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I would like to say about the fact that the idea of the ban could not be born with Putin, and the head of Madame Poklonsky. This is absolutely wrong. Madame Poklonskaya, the stories of many – is the girl with the intellect Vosmiklassnica. Actually, it is possible to trace how it is sometimes speaks without notes. Immediately we can understand with whom we are dealing. It will not make a step without having to not get instructions from Moscow. The main force in the occupied Crimea – is the FSB. There’s enough clicks, or pointers – and she will run to where she will say. Therefore overestimate the role of Madame hardly worth it.

And one wonders: why do such nonsense? In particular, the Russian leadership is not only banned the Majlis. If we proceed from the interests of the Russian Federation, then do come to the Crimea was a great folly, like the rest of the war with Ukraine. This damage, in my opinion, no one would be able to inflict. And now, in the West say straight out that it was not yet the head of the country, which would bring so much harm to the state in the history of Russia.

And to answer your question. We all went very hard and was not easy in Ukraine. Not because Ukraine as a whole does not want to solve our problems, just we had very different political forces … Here a conglomerate. We have all the time in the election supported the democratic forces. A democratic forces almost never been in power, except for a few short periods. The main power on the territory of the autonomy was in the Russian-speaking hands of pro-Russian majority. Now it is the majority of the occupants waited on. We had a very large land problems. Crimean Tatars, despite the fact that they were somewhere in the 14 percent of the population of the peninsula, in the structures of power, depending on what that structure – takes from zero to 2.5-3 percent. That is discrimination in their homeland – in 4-5 times. For example, in the Security Service, which was 2 thousand 300 workers – was not one of the Crimean Tatars. The prosecutor’s office – a few tenths of a percent. Not a single judge. That is, such a structure.

Nevertheless, Ukraine – a democratic state, and it was possible to somehow defend their rights. With great difficulty we gradually defend them. 14 percent of Crimean Tatars with great difficulty in the native language to open 14 schools, and ethnic Ukrainians are not so organized, and although they made up 23-25 ​​percent of the population of the peninsula – they have 7 schools. It all depended on how active we were. We helped our organization. And the land problems. Poklonskaya now saying: “Over the years, the Majlis has not solved the problems of land of the Crimean Tatars.” Allow me, as if in the Majlis had some opportunity to give orders and to allocate land! Majlis only organized protests demanding the allocation of land. And thank God, at least something we wanted. But it was still in the hands of the authorities,

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Eider Muzhdabaev noted that the mood of depressed people in the Crimea.

Eider Muzhdabaev: In this situation, the Crimean Tatars were probably only at the time of deportation, when any soldier could poke their butt, shoot at anyone, and so on. You can not even be an activist – it does not matter. You can not like a neighbor, a colleague, your store may not like competitor – all have nothing. You – Crimean Tatar, and that’s enough to you to write a denunciation.

Even in this regard, there is a social problem. The fact that there will be processes that we are well familiar with Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union under Stalin, when from people who may fall under the repression will be shy, like lepers. And as for all the Crimea it is obvious that all Crimean Tatars may potentially become victims of repression, with the Crimean Tatars will be less talk; they will speak to their children not to go to visit them, will be a little talk, be treated like a leper. Because you communicate today with Crimean Tatar, and tomorrow he will be a “terrorist”.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: In Bulgaria and in some republics of Yugoslavia was a special process slavyanizatsii. All Turkic names changed to Slavic to somehow dilute the nationality, the memory of the Turkish rule. Can the Kremlin to organize something like this and against the Crimean Tatars?

Valery Khomyakov:In our country, it is difficult something is to believe. You never know what will come to mind to some minister. To prove his loyalty, he can come up with anything. I would not want to come to this. And so the cones stuffed himself, many in Europe and elsewhere twist finger to his temple, when they look at the policy of our state. I hope, to this still will not come, but attempts can be. Do zealous officials who want to make a political career, no less “shiny” than Madame Poklonsky that nobody knew two years ago, and now she was almost to the State Duma met, even without primaries. I think maybe it would be nice … his political career in the State Duma few people did. I saw Aleksandr Ivanovich Lebed walked, when he became a State Duma deputy, he was not interesting to anyone. And Mrs. Poklonskaya. Maybe there will be more tolerant person, but this is not our problem.

As for the possibilities and attempts russify this part of the Crimean Tatars, who for various reasons, have begun to cooperate with the authorities … I remind you that there is one Crimean Tatar, in my opinion, the vice-premier in the government of Crimea. Well, people went to work – but for God’s sake! But if you work it, work for the benefit, including the Crimean Tatar people. What he likes this kind of action? On the prohibition of the Mejlis, he probably could have done a little more demonstrative step and get away from the Crimean management. Looks like guts.

I still see this blatant stupidity attempt to split the Crimean Tatars into several pieces. And we, ordinary citizens, through the famous canals and show in certain programs that they’re all here for Putin for the Kremlin, for its multi-ethnic, peaceful policy as they used to say. And that there is some fringe represented by the Mejlis, Mr. Cemil, Chubarov and other people who are not already in the Crimea, unfortunately, they were forced to leave – were driven from their homes of people … To this we must be prepared in including the heads of the Mejlis. A organization, I think you can always come up with a different form. Especially Muzhdabaev quite correctly noted – is not in the Ministry of Justice of the registration of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people. There is no such organization. How can you deny what is not ?! So, people can come up with some form of so

Поэтому тут приходится, видимо, достаточно непросто жителям Крыма, которые считают себя крымскими татарами. Мы это видели по другим тенденциям, которые очень четко просматриваются в нашей внутренней политике. Но я не понимаю руководство России. Им-то это зачем? Что, мало шишек вы набили? Вы хотите поссориться с исламским миром окончательно и бесповоротно? Тут бед натворили, а потом надо бежать в Саудовскую Аравию: “Ребята, давайте сократим объем нефти”. Вы чего-нибудь одно выбирайте, в конце концов. Сколько можно эту глупость смотреть?! Я давно живу на белом свете, видел всяких руководителей, и глупости у них тоже были. Но были какие-то рациональные зерна в поведении. А здесь я не вижу рациональности. Одна иррациональность, одни эмоции, одно желание угодить верховному царю. А дальше что? Хоть бы на шаг вперед посмотрели, что дальше будет.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Even Stalin’s executioners had the good sense to leave one of the hero of the Crimean Tatar people – the pilot Amet-Khan Sultan. And then he died a mysterious death. And now almost all dealt with moral authority. After all, no one can go back to their homeland.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Stalin had not had the sense to leave Amet-Khan Sultan in Crimea. At that time he lived in Moscow. And in accordance with the law, since he twice Hero of the Soviet Union, he placed the bust and was told that he could live. But he said: “What should I do there?” And he is not moved to the Crimea.

And the prospect of Russification of the settlements of the Crimea. This has been done by Stalin. There russify nothing. All Russian already there. I think that in the near future Ukraine will pass a law on the restoration of the historical place names. Already in terms decommunisation somewhere in 67 settlements of the Crimea renamed. And on all maps of the world will be the names of those villages, which will be adopted by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine. Because legally Crimea is part of the Ukrainian state.

And about the moral authorities. Russian practice was initially “buy” Majlis. This was caused by an invitation to me to Moscow. Somewhere in 35-40 minutes we were on the phone with Mr. Putin said on this subject. Mountain promises we happily alive in the Russian Federation. But when that did not work, when we said that first print its troops from our territory, but if you want to assist, then sit down at the negotiating table with our guide – even then, of course, the atmosphere changed. And the tactic was, of course, to evict people who, from their point of view can affect the mood of the people, to lead any protest movement. And indeed it is now Russia’s policy is to ensure that displace the Crimean Tatars, as it was during the time of the first occupation of the reign of Catherine II. Then, too, they were deported, robbed land. As a result, many Crimean Tatars left their lands and moved to the Ottoman Empire. Now in Turkey where some 10 times more of the Crimean Tatars, than in the Crimea. And now this policy continues.

There are facts of kidnapping and murder. We follow, whom they kidnapped and murdered. It is not only the activists of the national movement. People have the impression that no one is guaranteed. And not only the facts of murders are not investigated – it is used as a bargaining chip. For example, when questioned by some of the members of the Majlis, or an activist of the national movement in the current Crimea, if he keeps with dignity, say to him: “Are not you afraid to become a” ischeznoventsem “Or:” Are not you afraid that tomorrow your children may disappear? “the practice is that even when Stalin was not done Yes, under Stalin dissidents killed, shot, but to openly say.” Tomorrow your children will disappear, if you behave this way “- is rarely practiced now revived all. most gloomy, it was under the Soviet regime.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Journalist Eider Muzhdabaev struck by the indifference of the Russian society.

Eider Muzhdabaev: I am struck by the passivity of the Russian society, which is already itself is on the verge of total repression. I am struck by the indifference of the Russian public, including the so-called liberal. I have all these strikes and sad surprise. It seems to me, no lessons were not learned. And just as the liberal Germans calmly looked at the beginning of repression against the Jews when Jewish organizations were forbidden, when only was the first voice that “Jews do us harm, we let it close, ban”, many were silent. And many journalists are silent, many public figures were silent. Why this silence led – can not remember. I think that here the silence that creates Russia with the Crimean Tatars, I regard as a sign of agreement with this policy. This stunning cowardice, which can not be explained by anything,

Vladimir Kara-Murza, Sr.: The website of the Human Rights Council under the President Nikolai Svanidze just plucked up courage and asked about the disappearance of the Crimean Tatars. It has been 9 people by the time it was last fall. And no one else has raised this issue with the authorities, with the Kremlin.

Valery Khomyakov: Unfortunately, it is. So it turns out that either it is not interesting to anyone of those people, journalists and human rights, or they go about their business, and they do not care about the Crimean Tatars.

I thought that’s what connection with our theme. It seems to be calm Republic of Tatarstan in the national plan. Although in the early 90’s there all the seething, and no less than in Chechnya. And only thanks to the Shaimiev could somehow prevent the explosion. Until recently. But recently I heard the news on one of the radio channels: Vsetatarsky community center (quite nationalistic) long statement currently no resemblance, and then decided to give some object Russian name. And now starting to raise the question of what we need to give the name Tatar.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Station Kazan subway, they want to rename.

Valery Khomyakov:Maybe it’s not so bad, but the fact that such an attitude to the citizens or to those organizations who are Muslims who allegedly considered Russian territory, according to the Crimea, our government and the majority of society, may wittingly or unwittingly encourage nationalist currents in the republics where Islam dominates. I would very much like to be wrong, but I fear that such a danger can arise. It is this: “You insult our there, so then let’s call a subway station, but not so.” And nationalism – this thing is so, it arises out of nothing, from scratch, it would seem. And that seems to be now seems peaceful enough, whether in Tatarstan and other republics … Sometimes the spark is enough to blazed that we observe between Armenia and Azerbaijan, and God forbid, if I was right. But I think,

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Mustafa, I know that you do not recognize territorial changes that have occurred over the past two years. Who would you help to influence the situation? Maybe, the Moscow Helsinki Group? Or are you still be equal to the Ukrainian human rights activists?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: First, about Tatarstan. Tatarstan would like to put forward as a mediator. In the early days of the occupation, President of Tatarstan Minnikhanov obscene often came to the Crimea to persuade us that now we will be together with the Russian Federation. A power saw that there was no sense of that mediation, not even harm some … Because somehow become Tatar envoys from Tatarstan reason is not entirely wrong when he explained that this position is not acceptable to us, and them removed. And now there are visitors from Tatarstan virtually none. Basically right now visitors – it is the FSB.

Возникает вопрос: как защитить права крымских татар? Я об этом говорил и в Страсбурге, в Парламентской Ассамблее Совета Европы, в Совете Безопасности 18 марта. Защитить права крымских татар в оккупационном состоянии невозможно. Потому что в Российском государстве отсутствуют демократические свободы. И в оккупированных территориях они, конечно, не будут создавать какой-то демократический анклав. Поэтому единственный путь защиты наших прав – приложить все усилия для того, чтобы агрессор, оккупант покинул нашу территорию. Другого выхода я просто не вижу.

Of course, we are grateful to Kasyanov, who recently said that Crimea one way or another will be returned. And then I called from Moscow and said: “Why do you rely on this Kasyanov In the elections he gets no more than 7-8 percent of the vote?”. I say: “It’s great here is such propaganda, as if all the Russians – that!” Quilted jackets “Still 7-8 percent of normal people you have.”. And thank God, at least some have a layer that understands what’s what, guided by the interests of the people, and not some kind of chauvinistic ambitions. But, of course, sadly, that most glad that they have such a manual bandit that it snapped off part of the territory of another country. It’s very sad. It’s tragic and disastrous for Russia. This occupation, no one will ever admit. In Crimea, there is no prospect not only for the Crimean Tatar people, but also for the entire population. It will be subsidized, decaying region. Even Russian economists have estimated that every year include the Crimea, even in such a depressed state, as now, will cost the Russian budget in the $ 4-5 billion. Therefore, the only way – is the restoration of international law and the maintenance of invaders from our territory.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Can you recognize the jurisdiction of the Strasbourg Court of Human Rights and PACE? Or you do not want to admit that your rights are now being violated on the territory of Russia?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Of course, we treat and will appeal. There is a decision of the Strasbourg Court on specific issues. But Russia is not fulfilling them. It does not fulfill even its own legislation. For example, the prohibition of the Majlis. The accusation is made up of 650 pages – it’s mostly excerpts from my speeches, Chubarov and other members of the Majlis that we do not recognize the occupation, we demand the withdrawal of foreign troops from our territory. And for this reason they say that we are encroaching on the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation and the Russian Federation poses a threat to security. So, the process is not over, not yet read the so-called decision of the court, and the Ministry of Justice has introduced Majlis in its list of banned extremist organizations. Where is the logic here? And recently, it was decided that Russia can not implement the decisions of international courts, including the European Court of Human Rights if they are contrary to the interests of Russia. So what the hell you were then to the European Council ?! There was a duty that you will comply with the decisions of the European Council and the European Court. Well, there is no logic. And we recognize and will recognize the judgments of the European Court.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Yes, the Constitutional Court did not accept to be able to vote to prisoners.

And how many of your like-minded people are now prisoners in Russian prisons?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: In total we have 13 members. There are three categories of prisoners. One category – it is for religious reasons. While there is nothing extremist they did not commit, they only found some literature, a Russian point of view – banned, extremist. The second group – those who met me May 3, 2014. It turns out that they illegally crossed the border. From the point of view of international law it is not a border. They moved from one part of Ukraine in the other. As a result, they have had clashes with riot police.

A third category, in which the sitting and the first deputy of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people Ahtem Chiygoz – this meeting February 26, 2014, before the so-called annexation, before the occupation, to the so-called referendum. The Crimean Tatars were against the attempts of the separatist forces in Crimea joining Russia. Here is the February 26 rally, they are regarded as unauthorized and illegal. And that, on 26 February we had to take permission to hold a rally? They act in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, and there did not have to take permission to hold rallies. Here on such absurd accusations is now Ahtemu Chiygozu faces from 15 and up to 20 years in prison. They believe that he organized a rally against annexation to Russia.

And most importantly – the situation of terror. In total, up to the end of last year was, in my opinion, more than 200 searches in homes, schools, mosques of the Crimean Tatars. 95-96 percent – it searches in the homes and in the schools of the Crimean Tatars.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: We expect that once again will be denied and the Day of memory of victims of deportation. Some hotheads think they can ban and Pushkin’s poem “The Fountain of Bakhchisarai” and mention of the Giray dynasty.

Sourse, 27/04/2016

In Crimea, the situation of fear prevails, the feeling of complete vulnerability to arbitrary

August 22, 2015

Mustafa Dzhemilev, the People’s Deputy of Ukraine, leader of the Crimean Tatar people for many is an example. The man who broke into the ordeal and did not buy generous promises. It is compulsory in their promises and consistent actions. Now, when the Crimea was in the Russian occupation, Mustafa-aga is making for the liberation of their motherland more effort than the Foreign Ministry and other government institutions of Ukraine, together.

Mustafa Dzhemilev in a conversation with “Internet” spoke about his international activities and relations with the Russian justice. He expressed his views on the law that declared annexed Crimea free economic zone and promised that if the corruption loophole is closed, he and his supporters would block the road to the Crimea, on which ride the wagon with food and other goods for the occupants.

– Mr. Cemil, now, when Crimea was annexed by the Russians, where your family lives?

– In Bakhchisarai. I live there my wife and son.

– How often do you see them and how to keep in touch?

– Not very often. Last time my wife and I traveled together in Ankara on Congress. She silent fears often leave the Crimea – the logic of the current Crimean authorities can not understand them at any time may not be allowed back. And there – family, friends, home, elderly mother. In addition, the exit of any national of Crimea is perceived very painfully and disapproval. Like, I invite all to suffer and not to leave the Crimea, while they themselves were taken away their relatives!

– Relatives in the Crimea received Russian passports?

– My wife – no, for it is fundamentally, and daughter also did not get, so it is fired from his job at the Tauride University. But the vast majority of Crimean residents still have to get these passports, because without them there to live virtually impossible – not to seek medical help, or get a job, or to issue the property nor any bureaucratic issues can not be solved without Russian documents.

– What has changed in their reviews are now living in the Crimea?

– Everything they say that in the Crimea is now reigns atmosphere of fear, a feeling of complete vulnerability to tyranny. Even on holidays, at weddings do not have the joy that was before. People are afraid to talk to each other. The social position of the people, with the exception of the military, police and government officials, also deteriorated significantly – reducing wages, reducing purchasing power, high cost, long queues in hospitals, etc. And angry, too, is strictly prohibited, it is only necessary to express joy over the “return” of the Crimea to Russia.

– Even among the Crimean Tatars are afraid to be frank?

– there was a lot of snitches. Yes, and listening devices around them stuffed.

– The Russian authorities are blackmailing you your son. What do they offer you?

– Once in August last year, one of the advisers of the Russian president was Kiev and said that Vladimir Vladimirovich wanted to talk back to me, I said that we can only meet in Kiev, because I was denied entry to Russia. I replied that if I would agree to a meeting, then, depending on what the results will be achieved on it, my son the next day will be at home, and I can safely travel to the Crimea. To this I said to him: “That is Vladimir Vladimirovich is holding my son hostage So he’s a terrorist You tell him that we do not conduct negotiations with terrorists?”.

After it went my statement to the press, he called me and complained that I was about the confidentiality clause told the media. And I say, “So you do not make me indecent proposals”. Now this advisor, apparently for something that does not cope with the task, it is very far distant from Putin.

– What fate awaits Now your son?

– He was sentenced to five years in prison for manslaughter. By all the laws, including the Russian, he should be handed over to Ukraine, because the event took place in the territory of Ukraine, and the victim, and my son, too, are the Ukrainian citizens. My son’s lawyer in court talking about the illegality and illegitimacy of such actions. There is also a decision of the European Court of Human Rights that he be extradited, but Russia is not considered with the verdict and did not even respond to our Ministry of Foreign Affairs requests.

My wife also gave readings there. The court, by the way, took place in Krasnodar, Krasnodar, and in addition the prosecutor at the trial was attended by 2 Prosecutor of Crimea. They also asked some questions that my wife said, “I’m on the question of traitors who have violated the oath of his country, do not answer.”

But the jury – it is, in my opinion, one of those units that the Putin regime is not able to control. Both my wife and daughter said that by the jury to him felt some sympathy. When everything came out of the courtroom, one of the women, the jury wished them: “May God give you good luck!”

– Mustafa-aga, what, in your opinion, Ukraine should pursue a policy in relation to the occupied Crimea? And how do you assess the Law “On free economic zones”, according to which Crimea declared a territory?

– On the topic of the law, I have repeatedly talked with the President and the Prime Minister. This is absurd: the occupied territory are declared free economic zone. Yes, to maintain communication with the peninsula, to ensure movement of citizens need. But our power is all done vice versa – are all sorts of obstacles at the entrance and the entrance to the Crimea with Ukrainian passports of people, representatives of the Diaspora, and to carry loads kilometers of queues trucks that follow almost without any checks.

We even conducted an experiment: sent to a person abroad, he comes to customs with the question as to whether they help hold the wagon, not figuring out what cargo it carries. “$ 500, – says he – and another 500 will have to give the border guards.” As a result, a bargain for a total of $ 800. Without checking, pay – and take me what you want!

All this talk, they say, there live our fellow citizens, they can not be left without food – it is the purest nonsense, it does not care about the citizens, if 90% of imported products in the Crimea and then moves on to Russia. But even that, what remains is primarily for the supply of military units. The shops, of course, also is part.

Without doubt, the main supplier of products to the peninsula – it is Ukraine, and if we do not supply them, where prices rise sharply. Russia will have to diversify the supplies, delivering goods by aircraft and ferries, but they will cost several times more expensive. But we continue to carefully feed the invaders and protect the Russian treasury of additional costs.

– What you said the president of the law on SEZs?

– During our last conversation with him, I said that we will block these columns trucks and special no objection.

And the Cabinet is now drawn up a list of goods that can be passed and in what amount. Also planned to establish hubs in the Kherson region – ie, large markets, where the inhabitants of the Crimea will come to buy food.

– It will be convenient for residents of the Crimea, living close to the border with Kherson region. Others, perhaps, will be expensive to travel?

– They do not care it will cost is 2-2.5 times cheaper than buying products in the Crimea. There will be sold not only products, but also construction materials – cement, crushed stone, etc. for individual use, which are now imported from Ukraine in the Crimea as a free economic zone. But the large-scale importation of trucks these materials to the Crimea, which are used in the construction of landfills for Russian missile systems for nuclear base, which is now settling for Kyzyltash, should not be.

– Mustafa-aga, you Simferopol was a charity fund “Krim”. At the moment he was arrested by the Russian authorities?

– First, they said that the Fund can not function because its founder is a foreign national, that is me. they have made themselves a foreigner. Foundation staff compromised and expelled me from its composition, although the statute is not written that I am the founder, as it is based the decision of the National Congress (Kurultai), and members of his administration also appointed by decision of the National Congress, and I, as chairman of the Majlis, of course, was the president of the Foundation.

The Russian authorities, who came to the Crimea, blocked the activity of the Foundation, and all that belongs to the Fund, and therefore the Majlis – buildings, offices – were arrested.

Moreover, all these assets were purchased by us and is privately owned. For example, building on the street. Schmidt 2 in Simferopol, which is considered an architectural monument, was bought by us many years ago, 40 or 45 thousand. Dollars.

All work carried out to repair the building, should be consistent with the architecture of the Committee. So, apart from the fact that the seizure of property was imposed due to the fact that I – “foreign” citizens, even house arrest because without the consent of the Russian architectural department repair of the roof was carried out there. This is so stupid … Are roof repairs should have been in the Ukrainian Crimea negotiate with Moscow? Well, if you would not have made the repair, then certainly he would have seized because “architectural monument” resulted in a state of neglect.

– That is the repair of the roof was carried out prior to the occupation, and the claims presented to you now?

– Of course. In fact of all the absurd.

– Yes, the Russians in the Crimea does not cease to amaze. Mustafa-aga, you filed suit in Moscow’s Basmanny Court to invalidate the decision of the Federal Migration Service to ban the entry you in Crimea. Why Moscow court?

– The lawsuit filed in the Basmanny Court lawyer, Mark Feigin, which protects our Hope Savchenko. Moreover, not in the hope of obtaining a fair judgment on the abolition of the ban arrogant, but to at least find out – what authority and who is hated this decision.

After all, in our hands is not a single document, where it would say something about the ban. I have in the cordon with Crimea on April 19 last year, just read out the paper on which there was no signature, no seal. The lawsuit was to determine who still ruled the ban. In theory, it was supposed to make the Federal Migration Service, but they say they do not do that. Even information on the prohibition of entry I have on the website of the Military Prosecutor’s Office, but also without specifying who took this decision. There is only a kind of justification for the ban – say, represent a threat to the territorial integrity and security of Russia.

And there are even more voluminous document authorship Crimean prosecutor’s office, in which he explained what I bad person, are gleaned from the Internet “anti-Russian” quotes from my interviews and stuff.

So at the trial it became clear that a decision on me took out the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation, even though it does not fit into the Russian legislation, because it is the prerogative of the Federal Service for Migration. But the document with the FSB, too, so no one has presented. Now we have moved to the next stage of the story, it will conclude that now Mark Feigin is preparing documents for the ECHR.

– And why you turned to Russian lawyer?

– To find out what and where it came from in this case, it is necessary in the territory of Russia. Who is going to file a lawsuit with the ECHR – I or Feigin – whether it is necessary that documents of all levels were collected in Russia. That’s it, Mark does.

– What do you think, whether Ukraine should demand compensation from Russia for the assets in the Crimea? And it will not look as if we sell the Crimea?

– Payment shall be required for damages, for all that they have destroyed, taken away. And it’s time to force this point through the international courts to bring lawsuits Russia, and since it will not pay, then seize the property of Russia abroad. We are late with this case, and “YUKOS” Mihaila Hodorkovskogo, for example, won a lawsuit against the US $ 50 billion and now slowly begins to take the Russian property in some countries. The litigation lasted a long time and this was not easy, but in the “Yukos’ former shareholders eventually won. And here the situation is more obvious than that there – there is a violation not only of the economic rights, and international.

– Mustafa-aga, the decree of President of Ukraine you are appointed by the Commissioner of the Crimean Tatar people. Tell me, how we internally displaced persons from the Crimea?

– Displaced we mainly engaged in charity Crimea-SOS and representative of the UN High Commissariat for Refugees Ukraine, who led Oldrich Andrusek.

Cadence it was over, but instead wanted to appoint a former GDRovskogo Komsomolets, who has close ties with Russia. Our Foreign Ministry is justified objected to his candidacy and now representative of the High Commissioner, as it were, without the boss.

Check with great precision of movement of the inhabitants of the peninsula is impossible. But last year Andrusek said that moved about 10 thousand people, half of them – the Crimean Tatars. Who receives information about 21 000 and about 35 thousand. Slightly more than half of all internally displaced persons from the Crimea up the Crimean Tatars, because for them there is the greatest pressure.

– any cases of human rights violations you have fixed in the Crimea, both in terms of the Crimean Tatars, and the rest of the population. And how do you respond to them?

– We can not control everything, but now we already are building a network of correspondents all over the Crimea. This thing is very expensive and dangerous, because there is shadowing the Russian special services delivered at a high level. We collect information on the lines of the Mejlis also created their own network Crimean News Agency with the center in Kiev and ATR channel.

– What we have today in Ukraine there are programs, projects for the return of the Crimea under the jurisdiction of Ukraine?

– a detailed strategy for the return of the Crimea we do not have. But I expressed my opinion, it is that the military way of Crimea return is not possible, it was necessary to shoot at the beginning, and now, according to various estimates, the peninsula is concentrated from 60 to 80 thousand Russian troops, all dispersed weapons, tanks, missiles. There is also evidence that in Kyzyltash near Yalta restore the nuclear facilities and were seen cars, which have the symbol, a warning about nuclear dangers. But the “Topol”, “Iskander”, “SS-20”, which can carry nuclear weapons, there already is. And in the case of a military conflict, if, God forbid, it will explode even one nuclear warhead, it can be a disaster not only for the Crimea, the whole of Ukraine and Russia, but also for the whole of Europe. In a word,

I believe that the main strategy for the Crimea – sanctions. Therefore, the World Congress of Crimean Tatars, which discussed the issue of Crimea, addressed to the whole world and to the Turkish Government to join the sanctions.

The Russians, of course, very nervous about the Congress, they had set up in the Crimea its Sabbath forcibly assembled state employees, and on their behalf made an appeal to Erdogan that he would not allow the Congress. But Erdogan has not only ensured the smooth conduct of the Congress, but also addressed the delegates with the message, where he said that Turkey will never recognize the occupation and will always strive to restore the territorial integrity of Ukraine, called Crimean Tatars continue their struggle for the liberation of Crimea from the Russian occupation . Around the same vein were the treatment and the Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu.

First, the Russian press gleefully reported that Erdogan “ignored”, did not come to our Congress. But he could not come, because these days, together with the Minister of Foreign Affairs visited Indonesia and Pakistan. The Prime Minister was not there in Ankara. But as soon as they returned to the country, then immediately and the prime minister and the president invited us to a meeting. After that, the tone of the Russian press has become a bilious and angry – both in relation to Erdogan, and in general to the international policy of Turkey.

– The Verkhovna Rada has a sectarian association “Crimea”. Who enters into it, and what do they do?

– No special results of work they do not have, and powers, in general, too, no no. MP Alexey Goncharenko suggested that I led the work of this association, but I refused, and then he himself became head of the group.

We’re talking about what we need to create in the Verkhovna Rada a separate Committee for Crimea and other occupied territories. This issue we will discuss in the near future with the Speaker of BP Vladimirom Groysmanom.

– And what in general there are international projects dealing with the problem of the Crimea?

– Who will be the return of the Crimea, if not ourselves? The international community is merely states that the annexation of the Crimea and the Russian invasion of the territory of Ukraine is illegal and does not recognize Crimea’s accession to Russia.

Penalties – it is their measure of influence on Russia. But the sanctions also affect the economies of those countries that have joined this list. For example, I was in Italy, where Berlusconi’s party and even some party “5 stars” comedian Beppe Grullo in favor of the abolition of the sanctions. This movement is in France. But thank God, these countries have not yet abolished the sanctions and unlikely to be canceled until the liberation of the Crimea, but the Russian secret services are working very hard in this respect – and bribe some politicians or organizations, snapping up even provincial newspapers in the European countries, to apply, as is the case with French delegation, traveling to the Crimea and meetings with the occupation authorities and then repeated their statements to the press that no one’s rights are not violated. Unfortunately, the corrupt and greedy for dirty money people everywhere suffice.

But independent international human rights organizations and the Russian authorities in Crimea is not allowed. Once allowed to enter the Turkish group of independent experts, apparently relying on their loyalty, as Turkey has not yet acceded to the sanctions. First was the question of how the delegation would be to get there: if in Moscow, it will be a violation of Ukrainian sovereignty, if in Kiev, then they were not allowed to Crimea. Then, in a conversation with Erdogan in Kyiv on March 20, I proposed a compromise, the delegation arrived in Kiev, and then went to Moscow and from there to Simferopol. Such an option all arranged, and our Ministry of Foreign Affairs also did not mind.

Following the visit to the Crimea a group of experts presented a report on 20 pages, which was a shock to the Russians, because it shows everything as it really is. After that no uncontrolled Russian mission to the Crimea is no longer allowed. We wish to operate through Russian human rights organizations, but they also create a lot of obstacles to their activities in the Crimea – and delay, and check. I am talking about Russian human rights defenders from the group of dissident hardening – Lyudmile Alekseevoy, for example.

– Mustafa-aga, tell us about your trip to Poland for the presentation of the Solidarity Award. You, as far as I know, offered other nominees for the award?

– The award was given to the daughter of Boris Nemtsov – Jeanne. I, as the first winner of this award, had the right to nominate, and the first name that came to mind then, of course, was Boris Nemtsov – a fearless fighter against the regime, against the occupation of the Crimea, and Russia’s war against Ukraine. Which, by the way, and he knew about it he said at a meeting with me in Kiev, that it was likely soon be killed. But the Polish Solidarity Prize as the Nobel not awarded posthumously. So I made the candidacy of Alexander Podrabinek, who fearlessly fought against the Soviet regime, he spent many years in prisons, camps and exile, and now as hard struggles with the Putin regime. I mentioned this in his speech at the ceremony in Warsaw Award on 6 August.

All nominated candidates were many, about 20 people of European, Asian and African countries, and all of them mentioned in a separate film, which was shown at the ceremony.

Out of all the nominations the jury chose Zhannu Nemtsovu – the daughter of Boris Nemtsov, a courageous and talented journalist who after the death of his father, too, was forced to leave Russia, and works on the radio “Deutsche Welle”. By the way, she said that a significant portion of the premium received will give the families of our “Heavenly hundred”, “Boris Nemtsov Fund” to continue his father’s business, the Crimean Tatar TV channel ATR-in-exile, which is the “bastion of freedom on the peninsula of speech and objective news about the situation” and other charitable projects in Ukraine.

Interviewed by Natalia Kondratieva

Sourse, 21/08/2015

Crimea is not yours

December 3, 2014

In the program “Face-to-event” to “Radio Liberty” – an interview with the leader of the Crimean Tatar people, MP of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Mustafa Dzhemilev about what happened and is happening in Russia annexed Crimea.

Conversations at the international conference in Wroclaw memory of the poet Natalia Gorbanevskaya .

Mikhail Sokolov: Conference “Against war and violence.” Which was held November 29 and 30 in Poland in Wroclaw, it was dedicated to the memory of the poet and human rights activist Natalia Gorbanevskaya, one of the eight people who came to Red Square August 25, 1968, in protest against the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia. Participated in policy discussions, human rights activists, historians, writers from Russia, Ukraine, Poland, the protesters in Red Square in 1968. Pavel Litvinov and Viktor Feinberg. The leader of the Crimean Tatar people Mustafa Dzhemilev spoke about Natalia Gorbanevskaya.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Dear friends, colleagues. A year as dead Natalia Gorbanevskaya. But we, the old dissidents, while we are still alive, perhaps we should talk about Natalia Gorbanevskaya. This is very important, because such people always lacked, then and now, and not to be missed in the future tense.

Already the first document, which was signed by the initiative group – it would appeal to the United Nations Commission on Human Rights, where there were 15 signatures of members of the initiative group, which spoke about the main crimes of the Soviet regime in the field of human rights, including mention of the struggle of the Crimean Tatar people to return to their homeland, about lawlessness of the Soviet authorities. It was one of the first documents, which allowed to bring the Crimean Tatar problem, the problem of the deported people to return to their historical homeland of the world community.

Arrest Natalia Gorbanevskaya very painful blow to the initiative of our group. Because a major role in the collection of materials, drafting, correcting and even many of the documents, which were issued by the initiative group of human rights, Natalia played Gorbanevskaya. There are these words: “And the good and evil – all die, so better to let the good we will remember.” Natalia Gorbanevskaya one of those people who will remember for a long time.

Mikhail Sokolov: “Poetry Natalia Gorbanevskaya inherits Russian civic poetry, with its idealism, the idea of ​​man as a being, longing for justice, sacrifice and unselfish,” – said Grigory Yavlinsky. But, of course, the focus was not only poetry, but also the problems of human rights, ideals that were important for Natalia Gorbanevskaya, were central to her life.

The son of Natalia Gorbanevskaya – Jaroslav urged the authorities of Western countries demand that the Russian release of all political prisoners.

Jaroslav Gorbanevsky: Today I am in Wroclaw on the anniversary of my mother’s memory, which stands for your freedom and ours. For the freedom of all, in particular, for freedom of political prisoners. If we celebrate the memorial of her reward with something or just remember, just honestly could say: It stands for freedom, let us do as well as she did. We love her, we honor it, let’s do what she would have asked us to do. So today I asked Poland to those whose words at the official level is important, with a request: say three sentences, speaking officially, openly, publicly, tell those three phrases to release Russian prisoners.

Mikhail Sokolov: “Polish society is one in relation to assessment of the events in Ukraine and the aggression against it”, – said the president of the Polish Institute of National Remembrance Lukasz Kaminski. The famous Polish sociologist and translator of Adam Pomorsky believes that Putin managed to just a year to destroy what happened in Europe in the last quarter of a century.

At an international conference in Wroclaw, a resolution was adopted with the assessment of what is happening in Russia and Ukraine:

“We, the participants of the international conference” Days of memory Natali Gorbanevskoy “urge the Russian people do not support a regime that leads to disaster.

We appeal to the governments and citizens of the free world: do not throw the Ukraine alone. Stop Russian aggression.

We, friends and colleagues Natali Gorbanevskoy, appeal to the governments and citizens of the free world: ask the Russian authorities to release all political prisoners. “

The resolution is very important, – says human rights activist and historian Alexander Daniel:

At the international conference “Against war and violence” in the center of attention and was the Crimean Tatar issue.

About what is happening in the Crimea, now in the “Face-to-event”, we talk with the leader of the Crimean Tatar human rights movement, a deputy of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Mustafa Dzhemilev.

Mustafa, I would like to start a little distance in the same sense as were the relations of the Crimean Tatar people with the Ukrainian authorities in Crimea. Because today on this topic a lot of different fantasies, talk about what you and discriminated against in Ukraine. Like going back?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Definitely, that any coherent policy of the Ukrainian state system against the Crimean Tatar people as an indigenous people of the peninsula, was not. Yes, Ukraine has declared that it recognizes the illegal deportation of the Crimean Tatars, has committed itself to solve all the social and legal problems of the Crimean Tatar people. In practice, it has done very little. We, the Crimean Tatars did not return what was illegally taken away.

On the one hand this is understandable. What to do with, say, the people who live in our homes. The state in this respect, has said that it is the best of its capabilities will solve social problems through the provision of the budget year in accordance with their capabilities, but stood minuscule, it did not cover a tenth of what is needed, not even was the fact income taxes, which was obtained in the Crimean Tatars working.

In general, the attitude of the Ukrainian establishment to the Crimean Tatars was such as to the voters. Upcoming elections, they proceed from the fact that the Crimean Tatars have consolidated electorate, the vast majority decision of its highest representative body of the Mejlis, the Kurultai, therefore, agreed with Parliament to the effect that we support them in the elections, and if they win, introduce some of its passage list one or two, depending on the capabilities of this political party, our representatives.

But Majlis has its basic principles. For example, even if the Communist Party offered us their entire list to give, we would not have voted. We have always supported the principle of national-democratic forces, they usually do not come to power. There was one case when Yushchenko was president, the party came to power. Then they began discord, they not only failed to fulfill the promises against the Crimean Tatars, but also generally in relation to other voters, too.

Worse it was the part of those who came to power. They are, as a rule, relied on in Russian, chauvinistic electorate. To us it was, at least, indifference, hostility under Yanukovych. Accordingly, the problem is not solved. If the Crimean Tatars in the autonomy is 14%, then in the structures, as we shall find in the local or regional elections executive, representative government depended places, and in the executive power structure the percentage of Crimean Tatars did not exceed 2.5-3%, that is discrimination 4-5. Accordingly, no other problems were solved. Not because Ukraine was chauvinistic, great-approach to the Crimean Tatars. Due, in particular, the fact that the Crimea – is a region where the vast majority are ethnic Russian, who moved primarily, more than 80%

The stereotype, which was implemented for decades, that drove away it is true that they are traitors, all of this favorably perceived by them, give peace of mind, as they took home, whom they sent to death, and then it turns out, it turns out, that they are bad. Here is the promotion lasted for many years, and it was passed down from generation to generation.

Mikhail Sokolov: Crimean authorities with those who led the executive branch, could agree, or they had a special respect for its Kiev, more rigid with respect to the Crimean Tatar people politics?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Definitely all, who heads the executive branch can not. Were more or less pragmatic, to the best of their abilities a little bit more far-sighted than towards others. The last prime minister of Mogilev, ardent chauvinist who in the press openly justified the deportation of Crimean Tatars, said it was the “fifth column”. What can you negotiate with them? Respectively had the chauvinistic policy. He fully supported, as well as his chief of Yanukovich, a pro-Russian on the Russian majority. In between, there were some people, such as the Prime Minister Kunitsyn or Speaker of the Verkhovna Rada Gritsenko, who understood that if you do not solve the problem of the Crimean Tatars, then this is the way to conflict, then they will not be able, and for ourselves to get something. That is a more pragmatic, more prone to the Crimean Tatars.

Mikhail Sokolov: Did you have any suggestions that might be organized in the Crimea coup with the participation of Russian law enforcement agencies, with the participation of Aksenov groups, and so on?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: For a long time, my view was that the current situation in Russia is unlikely to direct annexation, most likely Russia will always create tensions, create problems Ukraine to the fact that they could not create an independent policy. But the fact that so and will move its troops, chop off another part of the territory, in the twenty-first century, it seemed incredible. But after the 2008 Russian-Georgian war, I was probably one of the first, which opened in the press, in the newspaper “Day” said that next in line could be Ukraine. I even said so, that repeated a similar scenario. If, for example, in Georgia, South Ossetia and Abkhazia strenuously heard Russian passports, then about the same thing happens. I cited statistics on how much we have in the Crimea there is people who have Russian passports, analysis of the elections to the authorities of Russia. Sets the polling stations, and those who have Russian passports, vote. Based on the fact that it was not quite comfortable to come from one village to another in the elections, we did this offer and come to the conclusion that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel. who have Russian passports, vote. Based on the fact that it was not quite comfortable to come from one village to another in the elections, we did this offer and come to the conclusion that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel. who have Russian passports, vote. Based on the fact that it was not quite comfortable to come from one village to another in the elections, we did this offer and come to the conclusion that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel. that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel. that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel.

I also said that a serious threat to the security of Ukraine is the Black Sea fleet, so you should immediately proceed to the denunciation of the contract with Russia on the Black Sea Fleet. Although I suggest what may be the cost, what penalties, but the security interests should be paramount. Of course, to take a course to join the North Atlantic alliance.

But authorities did exactly the opposite. It was still under Yushchenko, and after a while came to power Yanukovych, it is not something to denounce, the term had come to an end in 2017, it extended for another 25 years under the pretext that Putin promised to reduce the price of gas at one hundred dollars per thousand cubic meters. This, in my view, was a real betrayal. No wonder at the statement, upon ratification of this treaty were just fights in the parliament. But the power they have, and they were able to push through it.

So later I saw an analytical report of the Security Service of the Crimea to his superiors in Kiev, where about my statement saying that the Majlis takes a provocative attitude, actions are aimed to spoil fraternal relations between the two countries. That is, we are provocateurs, because we want to withdraw the Black Sea Fleet.

Summing up, I want to say that there have been indications that this can happen, though not fully believe it. Moreover, that the head of state for a few months before, when he was asked the question, that, well, there is talk that the Russian claim to Crimea, how do you assess, it clearly states that this is nonsense, it’s nonsense, it provocation, we respect the state border of Ukraine, is coming up with different provocateurs. And suddenly this development. Arguments to justify this policy and the introduction of its troops on our territory, of course, does not stand up to scrutiny. The claims that if the Ukraine to establish a fascist regime, Bandera, that there almost chase through the streets and kill everyone who is not a fascist – it was such wildness directly posed on its head.

 with full responsibility that in all the years of Ukraine’s independence is now just after Independence and Revolution, established in all branches of government, the executive and the Cabinet of Ministers, the Verkhovna Rada most that eat the most democratic system of governance.

Please note though that we have parliamentary speaker with a typical Ukrainian surname Groisman, Interior Minister Avakian. There generally are not interested in the nationality of the one prescribed.

Such wild fancies as if created a threat to the Russian-speaking population in the regions, especially in the depths of Russia, who did not know that we have going on, it may be held.

Mikhail Sokolov: Still grouping Aksenov, what is it? You come across these people? They got 3 or 5% in the last election and now they are the real power.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Since 2009, they could not be heard on the political horizon, but in 2009 they created a group called “Russian unity”, this populist theme that Russian should unite to defend their rights. Pro-Russian rhetoric has been a lot of that is historical, but frankly, it is necessary to separate the Crimea from Ukraine and Russia attach to such slogans they had, but was clearly pro-Russian. We knew that he was very powerfully supported by a neighboring state, and not very successful, because it is a serious election votes are not typed. At the same time, it was known that this Aksenov named “Goblin” has managed to place in different power structures, primarily in the prosecutor’s office, his men, who defended them when they came across a not very nice things. But still, of course, governed from the Kremlin, Moscow, itself the Goblin could not do anything until you go to some order. All revolutions, it is no secret, it is not carried out “Russian unity”, and specific powers which belong to the Russian military.

Mikhail Sokolov: If we talk about the events of the beginning of the winter and spring, say, February, was there a real opportunity to confront once this coup, say, the same Crimean Tatars, who took to the streets, and then somehow disappeared from the streets?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I can say that for 100% could resist, if not for the intervention of the neighboring country. Because seized Parliament, the Council of Ministers of autonomy is not Russian bloc and the so-called “little green men” – a cadre people trained terrorists with all equipment. Therefore, it was not, someone who will overcome on the Crimean peninsula, there is dictated by external forces.

Mikhail Sokolov: It was not here for your mistakes? Demonstrations, in my opinion, continued for three days, then somehow were discontinued. If the demonstrations continued, maybe Putin does not want to take the risk?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Completely eliminate what you said, it is also impossible, this view has a right to exist. But as the events unfolded. What this rally going? To Parliament adopted the decision that they were motivated by the Kremlin, to accede to Russia. Accordingly, the Crimean Tatars were against. Failed. This is the 26th confrontation, they collected three or four thousand of his supporters brought up by buses from all edges, including Sevastopol. Crimean Tatars, there were three or four times more pushed.

The very next day the room occupied by terrorists. These terrorists have a pass allowed deputies at the entrance to the Parliament have seized mobile phones, in front of each stand when put to the vote, keep track of who like to vote, and like they scored either 56, or 57 votes, but there were only 46 votes, according to some reports. However, they declared that the deputies voted to join Russia. Even if it was 90%, still it is illegitimate.

What kind of parliament where the barrel behind you indicate how to vote. There are people, of course, can be and have been inclined to vote for certain decisions, but they are likely to vote when they will be paid, but not when forced to. There simply forced. Already carried out any actions aimed at the liberation of the occupied territories, it was obvious bloodshed. Also in Kiev, we were asked not to go, not to provoke, not to allow that Putin was a reason for the introduction of troops. There even was talk that preparing provocations that have had to find two or three dead Russian soldiers, of course, killed the Crimean Tatars, then start a campaign against the Crimean Tatars. We are seriously afraid of this and warned the press that there are our sources of information. They are the soldiers did not kill. Crimean Tatars,

Mikhail Sokolov: You can specify: Kiev – who is this? These people have families, and so on?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Then was the speaker of the Verkhovna Rada of Turchynov, Prime Minister Yatsenyuk. I’m not going to blame them, their order can be correctly and completely wrong. That’s right, if there really ready for something bloody, and they acted very humanely, saying he did not go out and do not lose their lives. And if this confidence was not simply give in to terrorists, to leave them unpunished, moreover, had the opportunity to neutralize them and do not do – is, of course, raises a number of questions as to why it was not done.

Mikhail Sokolov: I understand that at this stage the victims were just among the Crimean Tatars, a man was killed there. It was possible to find out what happened and who’s to blame him?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: It is not these days, later it was. March 3 area came Crimean Tatar, Ukrainian flag wrapped, said he was against the occupation, it was then in front of all the people was pushed into a car and drove away. Then a week later his body was found with signs of violence, tied with adhesive tape, to the naked eye it was clear that killed stabbed in the eye. The fact that this operation vykradyvaniyu human and murder carried out so-called “self-defense”, where all the thugs in the Crimea, we had no doubt. The fact that the FSB and then say that they can not identify, can not be established – is babbling. If YouTube can recognize who pushes him, the experts have been even more so. This concerns not only the first but also the subsequent vykradyvany people.

Mikhail Sokolov: We stayed on repression. The repression against the Crimean Tatars from the people who occupied the Crimea, they almost immediately started after the occupation?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: We have accurate information that the Russian political establishment had a dual attitude to the developments in Crimea and, in particular, in relation to the Crimean Tatars. Part of the establishment came from the fact that the Crimean Tatars have to agree, especially with Parliament, because the vast majority of Crimean Tatars are guided by the Majlis. This explains the invitation to Moscow for talks, the arrival of numerous delegations from Russia, Tatarstan, Bashkortostan, to negotiate with the Majlis of the Crimean Tatar people.

Mikhail Sokolov: We can remember how there was this type of negotiation process that they are offered to you?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: From the outset, they had prepared, and even adopted a draft resolution of the Verkhovna Rada of the Autonomous Republic, where Crimean Tatars 23% of guaranteed representation in all structures of power in all branches of government, including in parliament. That is allocated a quota under this quota choose themselves Crimean Tatars. The functioning of the Crimean Tatar language as one of the official on the territory of Crimea. Thirdly, the return of the Crimean Tatars, who were forced to lie outside of the Crimea. It was assumed that the measures will be taken public, including financial ones, in order to facilitate their return to the territory of Crimea. What will be restored historical place names of the Crimea – it is more than 1,200 settlements, which at one time after the deportation of the Crimean Tatars were Russified: Tank, Armored,

And most significant is that these people, who came to power and brought them, the “Goblin”, I mean Aksenov, who poison breathed in the Majlis, always stated that it is an illegal structure, so-and-so, all of a sudden in this decision stated that they will be officially recognized, the Crimean Tatar Kurultai and Majlis. That is, there was such a direct calculation that the Crimean Tatars to celebrate, to cling to these opportunities and say how happy they are to be in the Russian Federation. But this is not passed.

The upper hand in policy toward the Crimean Tatars began to occupy the “hawks”, who initially said that the Tatars Crimean impossible to negotiate, especially with Parliament, so you need to act only traditional exhaust not only in Soviet Russia, but also in pre-revolutionary methods separation of the Crimean Tatars into good and bad, the repression that, in fact, done.

Mikhail Sokolov: What kind of repression took place today?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Mass no arrests have massive searches under the pretext that they allegedly looking for weapons, in some cases, they say the drugs, although it seems absurd, with no data, they say, Behold, we are looking for drugs. Weapons, drugs, and the third, the most vulnerable – is the search for banned books. They made a list of forbidden books of more than 2600 titles, but this is an incomplete list.

We first talked about 40 searches the Crimean Tatars in their homes, mosques, schools, and they turned out to be much larger. Some houses were searched and immediately threatened that if someone knows about it, then let him think about the children. Closed searches were carried out mainly by so-called “self-defense”. They were taken during the search, not only as a traditional FSB conducts searches, seized computers, materials, they still grab that will attract them.

Mikhail Sokolov: “self-defense” forces – what is this? It’s illegal armed formation of Russian legislation?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Illegal, but they wanted to legalize, prepared a draft resolution, it is volunteers who are patriotic reasons.

Mikhail Sokolov: Type the terrorists?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: The guards did not have guns, and they – and their body armor and equipment, machines, all they have.

Mikhail Sokolov: So it’s actually a gang. What quantity of these gangs?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Hard to say, a few hundred. To my mind. May 3, when I do not miss, Aksenov issued the call to gather all the members of groups “self-defense”, wherever they were, they say, is about to start a war with the Crimean Tatars.

Mikhail Sokolov: On May 3. As I understand it, when you did not miss, people have been trying somehow to express his opinion, the demonstration carried out now, as I understand it, are repression, searches and arrests?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: yesterday reported that the arrested four people accused in the case that he had illegally crossed the state border between the Crimea and Ukraine, from the point of view of international law is absurd, at 100%, you can be sure that the European Court of Human Rights is do not recognize.

They formed the gang mainly of so-called Cossacks, former gebistov who were werewolves, who served in the Security Service of Ukraine, but among them there are those who have never been in the Crimea, so to speak softer.

They basically do the dirty work, they are not an independent force. I am absolutely certain that if the central Russian government was interested in the fact that they were not idle, then so be it was. We have the impression that this was done deliberately in order to intimidate people, to force ourselves to leave the territory of Crimea.

Mikhail Sokolov: The case of the third, as I understand it, is used in the same spirit as the “swamp thing” in Russia, to intimidate people. Are there any prospects that it can grow?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: expanding, looking to what extent. If it’s a bloody showdown, the Majlis will make every effort, that it was not, because it would mean the death of our people.

Mikhail Sokolov: If even a few dozen people arrested?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: There are different options. They came to me people who said that we are also able to easily steal them. I said that we can not go on this way, we are not terrorists, we are not going to steal one. That is, I come to a standstill, it is difficult to answer unequivocally. When your rights are harshly suppressed, bullied, whether it is necessary to respond with violence? It seems to be logical, to your land came the soldiers of another country, dictates the rules, he put on you bastards, that humiliate your dignity. Exit what? Well, war, shot one, two, three, they are the same in a few hours, especially now, when the trap snapped shut, no were not allowed there, without any witnesses, can do anything you want, and then press to declare that the Crimean Tatars fought among themselves, the different clans killed themselves.

Mikhail Sokolov: So you are for non-violent resistance?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I would not say in the absolute non-violent. We have on this subject often appeared that there is no alternative. If the armed forces should adhere to the principle of nonviolence, why do they need, what machines, which should never shoot? In the military department has its own standard of behavior should have been, it may be there, but it was not observed. According to various estimates, there were about 14,000 armed forces on the territory of Crimea. Conditions in order to participate in the war, not what win any concessions to get their rights – it was unreal.

Mikhail Sokolov: We often hear that Ukraine has made a mistake, if it had at least a minimal resistance in the Crimea, there would be no hike Strelkova in Donbass and other actions.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: we have a lot to discuss on this topic. Arguments such that, say, guided by humane considerations, not to dying people. Why then keep the army? Who wants to come, chop off, which you need to territory. For the military is not an argument, not to resist.

This is largely demoralized in some way, and those citizens who remained in the Crimea loyal to their state. They were amazed at how this is so, a weapon that is bought at the expense of the taxpayers, just as the aggressor. There are other reasons, it turns out, did not want to provoke, like people did not die.

Mikhail Sokolov: As a result, they do not die in the Crimea and the Donbas.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: And die in the Crimea.

Mikhail Sokolov: What is the current economic situation in the Crimea, according to your data? What is happening and what is going on with the same Crimean Tatars, still they are in the agricultural sector is largely involved?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: None agriculture or tourism, which was one of the main sources of income in the Crimea, now do not have to say, because who wants to relax in the occupied territory, besides not go any traffic reports, no planes, no boats.

Mikhail Sokolov: prices are rising?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: prices are rising, but the Russian government has raised some salaries and pensions, too. By many indicators that tell me this in some way compensates for the fact that prices have risen. Therefore, the money received would like a little more, but also have to spend more on the same products. This is one.

Secondly, the threat to agriculture. It’s no secret that more than 80% of water, including irrigation purpose water comes from the mainland. If you block the water, and she was partially blocked because something is destroyed, then the autonomous republic no other way to try to solve to get water from underground sources, and use this water to irrigate the land – it’s just a crime, causing great environmental damage . But with no other choice, they do it. They have caused great damage to the ecology of the Crimea is due to the fact that the drilled, fetched water to watered.

Mikhail Sokolov: Say, can we say that Crimea is an economic blockade on the part of Ukraine after the adoption of the law on the occupied territories?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: No there is no blockade. Even we have information that the time since the occupation of the Crimean port of call in 69 vehicles.

Mikhail Sokolov: It is almost a year?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: If we assume that in March-April to date. I say 69 because the number was exactly in the list of names of ships that call at ports of Crimea, Attorney General of illegal crossing of the territory, including entering our territorial waters.

Mikhail Sokolov: The ships do not come legally, agriculture in poor condition, and people than live?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Most jobs servicing the military complex. They launched a very large military preparations. Yesterday came from the Crimea, said that a huge amount of cement being taken, where used to be a nuclear repository, all signs want to restore it.

Across the road the Crimea build, is clearly not in order to make people comfortable, and for military purposes, especially in the northern parts. Openly say that military action will begin soon on the border between the Crimea and Kherson area. Due to this, in the main.

In this situation, the Crimean Tatars is very difficult. Because if you’re doing a job that serves the military, you have to give the oath of allegiance to Russia. Someone in desperation goes for it. At this very well speculate Russian media, be sure to remove, will be shown on the Internet, how to swear allegiance to Russia.

Mikhail Sokolov: The bridge will be built in the Crimea, do you think? Something that will change fundamentally?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Regarding the construction of the bridge, at the time it was engaged and Hitler did not succeed. Maybe if I exert some effort. But this bridge is illegal because it has to be agreed with the Ukrainian government.

Mikhail Sokolov: What do you propose to do now Crimean Tatars, you – the leader of the Majlis, you are on the territory of Ukraine, you home is not allowed, and what do the people who were left?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: It’s hard sitting in Kiev, give instructions, from our point of view, the most correct. People there are very hard. Of course, we’d love to have one of the Crimean Tatars did not take Russian citizenship, so they boycotted. But this is impossible, impossible. Would that they are empty of peace, but the resistance of rallies, demonstrations.

It also let to mass arrests, top kills. Therefore, we stick to the traditional way – non-violent resistance, defending their dignity. This is not entirely successful, because there is such a massive pressure, such as never was under Soviet rule.

Mikhail Sokolov: There collaborators?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: A Frenchman once said: if some people do not drug addicts, prostitutes, traitors, what kind of a nation? Of course, there will probably be. The main thing is that their number was not some sort of critical mass.

I can say that with this case from the Russian occupation authorities is very great difficulties. Yes, they recruit someone, put on some positions, while at the same time do spit, they say that there is nobody behind them, their people despise, arms not served. Keep what you have. Of course there will, probably.

Mikhail Sokolov: Do you regret that in Tatarstan President Putin failed to agree somehow or the other way around, which is not declared him a tougher stance?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I without offense, but said its tough stance. When Putin said that to solve all the problems of the Crimean Tatars, I did not refuse this aid, of course, Russia is responsible for the situation in which we find ourselves. We were a part of Russia, when we were deported. Be so kind as to solve issues following the withdrawal of your troops from our territory. Decide at the negotiating table with our guidance. And to ensure that these negotiations take place, again, you need to withdraw its troops. Putin, too, thought that if the mountain to promise things, the more given that the Crimean Tatars and the Ukrainian authorities were in the same position, for some reason they hoped that we easily persuaded. Since this did not happen, they are focused on their traditional methods – repression, attempts to split and so on.

Mikhail Sokolov: What will you do in the Verkhovna Rada is now, in the new structure?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I have always said and say that alone solve the problem of the Crimean Tatars without reference to the problems of the whole of Ukraine is impossible. Of course, we will strive to a sharp improvement in the economic situation in Ukraine, strengthening defense capabilities. Because that’s exactly what if our defenses were not in such a catastrophic situation, as in recent years our President Yanukovych, Putin would hardly have brought their troops.

Of course, we will work a lot at the international level, because the Western countries should fulfill their commitments. Even it’s not that they were concerned about Ukrainians and Crimean Tatars, everyone has their own interests. Because if you close your eyes to this international robbery in the XXI century – is the way to a very large disaster.

Mikhail Sokolov: “Our country is in danger tanks in a strange land” – these words said to the invasion of Czechoslovakia by Russian poet Alexander Galich. Today, the Russians have the right to repeat these words.

Today, the Russian tanks again in a strange land, people today again imprisoned, because they are fighting for freedom. It is a threat to all of us. For our freedom and yours!

Sourse, 02/12/2014

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Crimean Tatars: the nation’s tragedy

April 28, 2016

Ban the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people has strongly condemned the US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland. Speaking April 27 during his visit to Kiev, she stressed that this outrageous decision violates the democratic rights of the entire “historical community.”

The EU called the ban the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people, a serious attack on the rights of the Crimean Tatars and evidence of further deterioration of the human rights situation in Russia annexed Crimea. This is stated in the statement of the European External Action Service.

“It is necessary without delay to ensure full compliance with international standards of human rights and other obligations under international law, in particular, in this case in relation to the Crimean Tatars community”, – the statement says.

April 26 Russian-controlled Crimea Supreme Court acknowledged Majlis extremist organization and banned its activities on Russian territory. Thus I was satisfied the claim of the Crimean prosecutor Natalia Poklonsky, which accused the Majlis in the anti-Russian activities.

Tragic history and current problems of the Crimean Tatar people to discuss politics Mustafa Dzhemilev (Kyiv), the political analyst Valery Khomyakov , the journalist Eider Muzhdabaev (Kiev).

Moderator – Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior .

Vladimir Kara-Murza, Sr.: The EU called the ban the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people, a serious attack on the rights of the Crimean Tatars and evidence of further deterioration of the human rights situation in Russia annexed Crimea.

On Tuesday, the Russian-controlled Crimea Supreme Court recognized the Majlis extremist organization and banned its activities on Russian territory. Thus, the request Natalia Poklonsky, Crimean prosecutor was satisfied that the Majlis has accused of anti-Russian activities.

Tragic history and current problems of the Crimean Tatars, we will discuss with our guest – political analyst Valeriem Homyakovym.

Valery, whether offensive to all the people the motivation to deport him because they collaborated with the German occupiers?

Valery Khomyakov:This is an old story. Of course, in every nation, including in Russian, in the war years were, to put it mildly, the traitors, collaborators. They were also among the Chechen people, and among the Crimean Tatars. But because of this, should not suffer the nations as a whole. And here we are seeing a massive attempt to present the enemy all the Crimean Tatar people – as well as others, in particular Kalmyks … I lived as a child in the Altai region, and I had a friend – Kalmyk, who was with his family to get evicted. This happened a long time ago. And when allowed, they returned to Kalmykia. Here the story is more tragic because the Crimean Tatars were able to return to the Crimea alone, in my opinion, in the late ’80s, under Gorbachev, if I do not get them mixed up. Of course, it is an insult. To them in everyday life looked upon as some traitors, fascist hirelings. All this affects the relationship of the Crimean Tatars in the circles in which they lived. This Stalinist attempt to present the people as their enemies of the fatherland, of course, terrible.

Unfortunately, what we are seeing is, in part looks like this, including the recent decision of which you have said. Although it was preceded by a lengthy process. It is not easy to feed Mrs. Poklonsky all it appeared. After the Crimea was annexed to the Russian Federation, as far as I know, we were set up parallel to the Crimean Tatar structure. They created three for two years, – sworn allegiance to Moscow to agree with everything. And creates an illusion: think of it, the Majlis – the body established at the time the Kurultai, and in fact all Crimean Tatars rallied around the governor of the Kremlin in the Crimea – Mr. Aksenov.

На мой взгляд, дело обстоит не так. Подобного рода вещи практиковались, практикуются и будут практиковаться. Что, на мой взгляд, не приводит к тем результатам, которые замышляли их инициаторы. Расколоть крымский народ не удастся. Были отдельные люди, которые в годы войны сотрудничали с немецкими оккупантами, и сейчас есть нечто подобное. Но в целом крымский народ, как мне кажется, един в своем желании сохранить свою самобытность, свои обычаи. Он един в желании не подвергаться давлению из Москвы, из Киева или еще откуда-то. Это закаленные люди. В генах этих людей – стремление сохранить свое достоинство. А сейчас мы видим попытки растоптать это достоинство – попытки крайне неуклюжие, о чем достаточно справедливо заметил Евросоюз.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: We connected Mustafa Dzhemilev, the former Soviet political prisoner, leader of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people, MP of the Verkhovna Rada.

Mustafa, held true whether the rehabilitation of the Crimean Tatars after Stalin’s deportation?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: No Ukraine deported Crimean Tatars and the Soviet Union. Therefore, it was the adoption of the law on the restoration of political and social rights of the Crimean Tatar people. The Ukrainian parliament has been quite a lot of forces that resist it – pro-Russian forces, the Communists. It was not possible. But after the occupation, somewhere this law was passed in the 20 days of March. There clearly is called deportation as a crime against humanity, and adopted a series of measures aimed at restoring. But time has been lost. This law should have been taken long ago.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: And who of Russian dissidents and human rights activists fought along with you for the restoration of the rights of your people? Everyone remembers the fate of General Grigorenko. What was this man?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Our national movement was democratic, so it attracted the sympathy of many human rights defenders, enlightened people. Among the Russian intelligentsia, one of the first who spoke out in defense of the rights of the Crimean Tatar people was writer Aleksey Kosterin. He drew attention to this problem General Pyotr Grigorenko. By the time he was a political prisoner. And somewhere in the 66-year, in my opinion, he is actively involved in our national movement. You could say he was one of the authorities. In those days in the homes of the Crimean Tatars could often be seen portraits are not only veterans of the national movement, but Petra Grigorenko. Indeed, it was a very brave man who did everything in his power. He has made an invaluable contribution to our national movement, and primarily in the promotion,

And it must be said about Sakharov, who was connected to the issue later, but he was also very effective in its activities in support of our national movement.

If we follow the trials of the national movement activists, among them there were a lot of Russian, Ukrainian, Baltic defenders who in one way or another in contact with the national movement of the Crimean Tatars, and expressed to him the solidarity support. And you’re right: Pyotr Grigorenko – it is the brightest figure in our national movement.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: recently filmed a feature film about the tragedy of your people. But it is still not allowed on the Russian screen. Remind them that it is for the film, and why he has such a hard fate rolling.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: This is the first and only feature film on the subject. Our entrepreneur to finance it. It is called “Haytarma”. Haytarma – is a dance, but then “Haytarma” – a return to his homeland. The film speaks of deportation. According to some estimates, something softened. A pro-Russian people say it shows too cruel. From our point of view, the film turned out to be very successful.

And Russia is reviving the Stalinist regime, at least – in the occupied Crimea. And any films, books exposing the Soviet government policies perceived as an insult to the Russian people and the Russian Federation.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Valery, after the deportation of only two people not been restored statehood – a Volga Germans and Crimean Tatars. Why Khrushchev was afraid to return to their statehood?

Valery Khomyakov: Hard to say, because of what is happening. There are many cities in the Saratov region, where the Volga Germans lived before the war was a republic of the Volga Germans. Apparently, the Soviet Union then leaders feared would create a kind of enclave that is because of their dissatisfaction with the fact that they were driven at the time from their homes, to create a structure that can be “total maverick.”

Chechens and Kalmyks returned to their land, gained statehood, at least, that they now have in the form of republics within the Russian Federation. But the Crimean Tatars and Volga Germans fate was more tragic. Many Germans have left their historical homeland, because the law of the Federal Republic of Germany, ethnic German is actually considered to be a citizen of the Federal Republic of Germany. A Crimean Tatars go particularly nowhere. Someone went to a variety of reasons, but mostly they are somehow tied to the land where they were born. Crimea for the Crimean Tatars – this is the Promised Land, they were born there, and much earlier, than there came the Russian troops. This distinguishes the fate of the Volga Germans from the fate of the Crimean Tatars, which, unfortunately, is not so happy as we would like.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Let’s listen to a journalist Eider Muzhdabaeva, deputy director general of the Crimean Tatar TV channel the ATR, which believes that the ban Majlis almost impossible.

Eider Muzhdabaev: prohibitions against the Majlis – a symbolic act, since it is impossible to ban the Mejlis, because he was never officially registered. This Crimean Tatar self-government, which is almost 30 years old. Therefore, the ban in formal terms is negligible.

And with the actual point of view, this means not ban the Mejlis, and the fact that they facilitate the process itself of repression against the Crimean Tatars. That is no longer necessary to prove fictitious guilt – some phony terrorism, which they can not nobody “sew” in the Crimea for two years looking for weapons and explosives in their homes, but nothing, of course, can not be found. Will not need to ascribe any other illegal actions – mass disorders, which are trying to concoct criminal cases, the reason for that, too, of course, was not. All this bogus charges. They are tired of this formality, as in his time Stalin NKVDshniki tired of the first trials. So they then came up with the “troika” and the people began to quickly judge and destroy the plant. The same purpose, there are in the decision. Accused of involvement in the Majlis of Crimean Tatar can be any. Now, any book with a portrait of Cemil will be the basis for the Russian court. Gates for mass repressions opened.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Mustafa, remind, please, what was the statutory objectives of the Mejlis, speaking bureaucratic language? For which he was created?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: It is the representative body of the Crimean Tatar people, which defends the rights of the Crimean Tatars in local government, that is to promote and co-operation with the authorities to solve our problems, as well as to represent Crimean Tatars at the international level. Before ’91, when it was created our first Kurultai and Majlis elected, we can say that a full representative of the Crimean Tatar people was the National Movement of Crimean Tatars. A 89-year – The organization of the Crimean Tatar national movement.

And in the run-up of the Soviet Union, when there was a “restructuring”, it was possible to hold elections – though not quite openly, but, nevertheless, there was such an opportunity – decided to establish a representative body of the Crimean Tatars, who is elected directly by the people, regardless whether it is involved in the national movement or not. And here on the principle of “one delegate to the national convention of thousands of people” across the Soviet Union, where Crimean Tatars lived, held elections of delegates. So, these delegates were chosen at the national congress of 250 people. He was called the Second National Congress, because the First National Congress was in the 17th year of its shot by the Bolsheviks. And the National Congress elected by ballot 33 human members of the Majlis for five years – is the executive body of the Kurultai of the Crimean Tatar people. But this is the tip of the iceberg.

Then came the elections of local and regional Mejlis in all the places of residence of the Crimean Tatars. Thus, the last elections were in 2012, at the time of the occupation of the Crimea were about 230 local and regional majlis, which involved a total of 2 000 300 people. Therefore, when we speak of the prohibition of the Majlis – is not only a ban on 33 persons, but also the entire system of the national government of the Crimean Tatar people. That is only 2 thousand 300 local and regional members of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people, the Kurultai delegates in total – somewhere in the 2.5 thousand people. In accordance with the logic of the Russian law they are called extremists. And the one who helps or elect these “extremists” – is also a kind of “extremists.” And it turns out that almost all Crimean Tatar people can be called “

So now, maybe not immediately, but it offers scope for large-scale repression against the whole of the Crimean Tatar people.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Eider Muzhdabaev believes that the international community is powerless to help the Crimean Tatars.

Eider Muzhdabaev: The international community can not do anything other than allegations. In general, none of the Crimean Tatars is not acting, except a tiny group of conscientious people in Russia. It will, of course, to the massive repression against the Crimean Tatars. And most importantly – to the atmosphere of total fear. Already, people are on the phone talking very cautiously, afraid to say an extra word. I know the atmosphere among the Crimean Tatars – it is terrible, this atmosphere of insecurity, injustice, in the 30s.

They should completely suppress the Crimean Tatar people, to destroy it as an entity, leave it only as a screen, to in some celebrations people trained tray pasties and kissed portraits of Putin. They also understand that the Crimean Tatars will never put up with this, will never recognize the results of the illegal conduct and fraudulent, shameful referendum in which 97 percent of the allegedly favored the Crimea joining Russia. Of course, this is complete nonsense. Crimean Tatars in general on this referendum did not go. And these results could not be. But the Crimean Tatars – is the main piece of evidence in the case of the illegal annexation of Crimea. And this evidence, of course, must be destroyed. To be neither heard nor seen the Crimean Tatars to all feared. Now they will threaten, so people who can not live in this atmosphere will leave.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: And it likely that in this way almost all the people outlawed?

Valery Khomyakov:It turns out so. At least that is what we are now seeing, and events that do not bring the Lord, will be developed in this way. Crimean Tatar – now more than banderovets from Western Ukraine. And their stooges sitting in the Crimea. That will be, I think, the supply of our “great” promoters, which are now the subject of the Crimean Tatar people can grasp and apply them as “corrupt hirelings Ukrainian, Kiev junta West, the State Department and all the rest.” We have seen this in other examples. And unfortunately, nothing good about it for ordinary citizens of Russia. Because once it ends. And the desire of the machine, which consumes (or trying to eat) all dissent and all those people who believe that we shall make a great stupidity on the Crimea – on this machine will devour the people already in Moscow, as it is done.

But I ask another question: what does it do its proponents? Well, all the people in prison will not plant, in which Stalin was convinced: tried – failed. Hitler tried to do – also failed. Someone thinks that Putin will succeed? No, it will not work. Sooner or later, this story will end, and the reputation of our country in view of the fact that leadership behaves … I do not think this is the Kremlin’s decision. I think it has matured into a beautiful head of Mrs. Poklonsky, which has, in my opinion, even the generals began. Its rapid political rise, it is now almost the most popular man in Russia. I would place Mr Chaika bother for the armchair. With such prospects it can safely move to the Big Dmitrovka, where the Prosecutor General’s Office. Well, you can not go on about the ambitions, let the pretty and young ladies in the form of public prosecutor. The damage is much higher.

Do not you put down the Crimean Tatar people, for all your wish. I repeat, it is in the genes of these people – resistance. Stalin raised their lives, and some post-Soviet. I remember when it all started. Then Crimea Yuriy Meshkov was president, and Sergei Tsekov, in my opinion, was the chairman of the Supreme Council.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: A Prime Minister was, in my opinion, an economist Yevgeny Saburov.

Valery Khomyakov: I remember those times, since then has been one of the leaders of the “Democratic Party of Russia.” Many have tried to meet with Nikolai Travkin, then leader, and he sent them to me, “Yuri Meshkov come talk to him.” I say, “Who is this?” – “President of the Crimea.” I do not remember, I met with him or not, A S Tsekovym exactly met. And then he drew me a terrible picture that returned Crimean Tatars, trying to seize the land. But they are not trying to take away, they just want to go back to where they were illegally rounded up in due time. By the way, it is, I believe, was, perhaps, one of those people with whom he started. And then I went to the then Supreme Council and, apparently, tried to cry out: “Help us now! We are the Crimean Tatars to places sleeves protect us.!”

This myth in the early ’90s seriously affected some of our politicians. Maybe even some Boris Yeltsin, who could call Mr. Kravchuk and say, “You there is not very much .. Help, and we are now you’ll have such autonomy in the Crimea!” There are a bunch of contradictions and partly inexperience then Russian authorities. Maybe you can forgive her for what was then the Russian Federation was not to the Crimea. But if you rewind the tape back, probably could find a common language with the then leadership of the Crimea, which is a short time, thank God, sat, and find some digestible formula to Crimean Tatars received their national autonomy on the Crimean peninsula. Do not go for it. As a result, the disease persists, it is not resolved.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: And what progress has been made during the democratization? I know that it was possible to create a number of schools in the Crimean Tatar language, a little restore land rights. How did you begin this process, which seems to go positive?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I would like to say about the fact that the idea of the ban could not be born with Putin, and the head of Madame Poklonsky. This is absolutely wrong. Madame Poklonskaya, the stories of many – is the girl with the intellect Vosmiklassnica. Actually, it is possible to trace how it is sometimes speaks without notes. Immediately we can understand with whom we are dealing. It will not make a step without having to not get instructions from Moscow. The main force in the occupied Crimea – is the FSB. There’s enough clicks, or pointers – and she will run to where she will say. Therefore overestimate the role of Madame hardly worth it.

And one wonders: why do such nonsense? In particular, the Russian leadership is not only banned the Majlis. If we proceed from the interests of the Russian Federation, then do come to the Crimea was a great folly, like the rest of the war with Ukraine. This damage, in my opinion, no one would be able to inflict. And now, in the West say straight out that it was not yet the head of the country, which would bring so much harm to the state in the history of Russia.

And to answer your question. We all went very hard and was not easy in Ukraine. Not because Ukraine as a whole does not want to solve our problems, just we had very different political forces … Here a conglomerate. We have all the time in the election supported the democratic forces. A democratic forces almost never been in power, except for a few short periods. The main power on the territory of the autonomy was in the Russian-speaking hands of pro-Russian majority. Now it is the majority of the occupants waited on. We had a very large land problems. Crimean Tatars, despite the fact that they were somewhere in the 14 percent of the population of the peninsula, in the structures of power, depending on what that structure – takes from zero to 2.5-3 percent. That is discrimination in their homeland – in 4-5 times. For example, in the Security Service, which was 2 thousand 300 workers – was not one of the Crimean Tatars. The prosecutor’s office – a few tenths of a percent. Not a single judge. That is, such a structure.

Nevertheless, Ukraine – a democratic state, and it was possible to somehow defend their rights. With great difficulty we gradually defend them. 14 percent of Crimean Tatars with great difficulty in the native language to open 14 schools, and ethnic Ukrainians are not so organized, and although they made up 23-25 ​​percent of the population of the peninsula – they have 7 schools. It all depended on how active we were. We helped our organization. And the land problems. Poklonskaya now saying: “Over the years, the Majlis has not solved the problems of land of the Crimean Tatars.” Allow me, as if in the Majlis had some opportunity to give orders and to allocate land! Majlis only organized protests demanding the allocation of land. And thank God, at least something we wanted. But it was still in the hands of the authorities,

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Eider Muzhdabaev noted that the mood of depressed people in the Crimea.

Eider Muzhdabaev: In this situation, the Crimean Tatars were probably only at the time of deportation, when any soldier could poke their butt, shoot at anyone, and so on. You can not even be an activist – it does not matter. You can not like a neighbor, a colleague, your store may not like competitor – all have nothing. You – Crimean Tatar, and that’s enough to you to write a denunciation.

Even in this regard, there is a social problem. The fact that there will be processes that we are well familiar with Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union under Stalin, when from people who may fall under the repression will be shy, like lepers. And as for all the Crimea it is obvious that all Crimean Tatars may potentially become victims of repression, with the Crimean Tatars will be less talk; they will speak to their children not to go to visit them, will be a little talk, be treated like a leper. Because you communicate today with Crimean Tatar, and tomorrow he will be a “terrorist”.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: In Bulgaria and in some republics of Yugoslavia was a special process slavyanizatsii. All Turkic names changed to Slavic to somehow dilute the nationality, the memory of the Turkish rule. Can the Kremlin to organize something like this and against the Crimean Tatars?

Valery Khomyakov:In our country, it is difficult something is to believe. You never know what will come to mind to some minister. To prove his loyalty, he can come up with anything. I would not want to come to this. And so the cones stuffed himself, many in Europe and elsewhere twist finger to his temple, when they look at the policy of our state. I hope, to this still will not come, but attempts can be. Do zealous officials who want to make a political career, no less “shiny” than Madame Poklonsky that nobody knew two years ago, and now she was almost to the State Duma met, even without primaries. I think maybe it would be nice … his political career in the State Duma few people did. I saw Aleksandr Ivanovich Lebed walked, when he became a State Duma deputy, he was not interesting to anyone. And Mrs. Poklonskaya. Maybe there will be more tolerant person, but this is not our problem.

As for the possibilities and attempts russify this part of the Crimean Tatars, who for various reasons, have begun to cooperate with the authorities … I remind you that there is one Crimean Tatar, in my opinion, the vice-premier in the government of Crimea. Well, people went to work – but for God’s sake! But if you work it, work for the benefit, including the Crimean Tatar people. What he likes this kind of action? On the prohibition of the Mejlis, he probably could have done a little more demonstrative step and get away from the Crimean management. Looks like guts.

I still see this blatant stupidity attempt to split the Crimean Tatars into several pieces. And we, ordinary citizens, through the famous canals and show in certain programs that they’re all here for Putin for the Kremlin, for its multi-ethnic, peaceful policy as they used to say. And that there is some fringe represented by the Mejlis, Mr. Cemil, Chubarov and other people who are not already in the Crimea, unfortunately, they were forced to leave – were driven from their homes of people … To this we must be prepared in including the heads of the Mejlis. A organization, I think you can always come up with a different form. Especially Muzhdabaev quite correctly noted – is not in the Ministry of Justice of the registration of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people. There is no such organization. How can you deny what is not ?! So, people can come up with some form of so

Поэтому тут приходится, видимо, достаточно непросто жителям Крыма, которые считают себя крымскими татарами. Мы это видели по другим тенденциям, которые очень четко просматриваются в нашей внутренней политике. Но я не понимаю руководство России. Им-то это зачем? Что, мало шишек вы набили? Вы хотите поссориться с исламским миром окончательно и бесповоротно? Тут бед натворили, а потом надо бежать в Саудовскую Аравию: “Ребята, давайте сократим объем нефти”. Вы чего-нибудь одно выбирайте, в конце концов. Сколько можно эту глупость смотреть?! Я давно живу на белом свете, видел всяких руководителей, и глупости у них тоже были. Но были какие-то рациональные зерна в поведении. А здесь я не вижу рациональности. Одна иррациональность, одни эмоции, одно желание угодить верховному царю. А дальше что? Хоть бы на шаг вперед посмотрели, что дальше будет.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Even Stalin’s executioners had the good sense to leave one of the hero of the Crimean Tatar people – the pilot Amet-Khan Sultan. And then he died a mysterious death. And now almost all dealt with moral authority. After all, no one can go back to their homeland.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Stalin had not had the sense to leave Amet-Khan Sultan in Crimea. At that time he lived in Moscow. And in accordance with the law, since he twice Hero of the Soviet Union, he placed the bust and was told that he could live. But he said: “What should I do there?” And he is not moved to the Crimea.

And the prospect of Russification of the settlements of the Crimea. This has been done by Stalin. There russify nothing. All Russian already there. I think that in the near future Ukraine will pass a law on the restoration of the historical place names. Already in terms decommunisation somewhere in 67 settlements of the Crimea renamed. And on all maps of the world will be the names of those villages, which will be adopted by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine. Because legally Crimea is part of the Ukrainian state.

And about the moral authorities. Russian practice was initially “buy” Majlis. This was caused by an invitation to me to Moscow. Somewhere in 35-40 minutes we were on the phone with Mr. Putin said on this subject. Mountain promises we happily alive in the Russian Federation. But when that did not work, when we said that first print its troops from our territory, but if you want to assist, then sit down at the negotiating table with our guide – even then, of course, the atmosphere changed. And the tactic was, of course, to evict people who, from their point of view can affect the mood of the people, to lead any protest movement. And indeed it is now Russia’s policy is to ensure that displace the Crimean Tatars, as it was during the time of the first occupation of the reign of Catherine II. Then, too, they were deported, robbed land. As a result, many Crimean Tatars left their lands and moved to the Ottoman Empire. Now in Turkey where some 10 times more of the Crimean Tatars, than in the Crimea. And now this policy continues.

There are facts of kidnapping and murder. We follow, whom they kidnapped and murdered. It is not only the activists of the national movement. People have the impression that no one is guaranteed. And not only the facts of murders are not investigated – it is used as a bargaining chip. For example, when questioned by some of the members of the Majlis, or an activist of the national movement in the current Crimea, if he keeps with dignity, say to him: “Are not you afraid to become a” ischeznoventsem “Or:” Are not you afraid that tomorrow your children may disappear? “the practice is that even when Stalin was not done Yes, under Stalin dissidents killed, shot, but to openly say.” Tomorrow your children will disappear, if you behave this way “- is rarely practiced now revived all. most gloomy, it was under the Soviet regime.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Journalist Eider Muzhdabaev struck by the indifference of the Russian society.

Eider Muzhdabaev: I am struck by the passivity of the Russian society, which is already itself is on the verge of total repression. I am struck by the indifference of the Russian public, including the so-called liberal. I have all these strikes and sad surprise. It seems to me, no lessons were not learned. And just as the liberal Germans calmly looked at the beginning of repression against the Jews when Jewish organizations were forbidden, when only was the first voice that “Jews do us harm, we let it close, ban”, many were silent. And many journalists are silent, many public figures were silent. Why this silence led – can not remember. I think that here the silence that creates Russia with the Crimean Tatars, I regard as a sign of agreement with this policy. This stunning cowardice, which can not be explained by anything,

Vladimir Kara-Murza, Sr.: The website of the Human Rights Council under the President Nikolai Svanidze just plucked up courage and asked about the disappearance of the Crimean Tatars. It has been 9 people by the time it was last fall. And no one else has raised this issue with the authorities, with the Kremlin.

Valery Khomyakov: Unfortunately, it is. So it turns out that either it is not interesting to anyone of those people, journalists and human rights, or they go about their business, and they do not care about the Crimean Tatars.

I thought that’s what connection with our theme. It seems to be calm Republic of Tatarstan in the national plan. Although in the early 90’s there all the seething, and no less than in Chechnya. And only thanks to the Shaimiev could somehow prevent the explosion. Until recently. But recently I heard the news on one of the radio channels: Vsetatarsky community center (quite nationalistic) long statement currently no resemblance, and then decided to give some object Russian name. And now starting to raise the question of what we need to give the name Tatar.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Station Kazan subway, they want to rename.

Valery Khomyakov:Maybe it’s not so bad, but the fact that such an attitude to the citizens or to those organizations who are Muslims who allegedly considered Russian territory, according to the Crimea, our government and the majority of society, may wittingly or unwittingly encourage nationalist currents in the republics where Islam dominates. I would very much like to be wrong, but I fear that such a danger can arise. It is this: “You insult our there, so then let’s call a subway station, but not so.” And nationalism – this thing is so, it arises out of nothing, from scratch, it would seem. And that seems to be now seems peaceful enough, whether in Tatarstan and other republics … Sometimes the spark is enough to blazed that we observe between Armenia and Azerbaijan, and God forbid, if I was right. But I think,

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Mustafa, I know that you do not recognize territorial changes that have occurred over the past two years. Who would you help to influence the situation? Maybe, the Moscow Helsinki Group? Or are you still be equal to the Ukrainian human rights activists?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: First, about Tatarstan. Tatarstan would like to put forward as a mediator. In the early days of the occupation, President of Tatarstan Minnikhanov obscene often came to the Crimea to persuade us that now we will be together with the Russian Federation. A power saw that there was no sense of that mediation, not even harm some … Because somehow become Tatar envoys from Tatarstan reason is not entirely wrong when he explained that this position is not acceptable to us, and them removed. And now there are visitors from Tatarstan virtually none. Basically right now visitors – it is the FSB.

Возникает вопрос: как защитить права крымских татар? Я об этом говорил и в Страсбурге, в Парламентской Ассамблее Совета Европы, в Совете Безопасности 18 марта. Защитить права крымских татар в оккупационном состоянии невозможно. Потому что в Российском государстве отсутствуют демократические свободы. И в оккупированных территориях они, конечно, не будут создавать какой-то демократический анклав. Поэтому единственный путь защиты наших прав – приложить все усилия для того, чтобы агрессор, оккупант покинул нашу территорию. Другого выхода я просто не вижу.

Of course, we are grateful to Kasyanov, who recently said that Crimea one way or another will be returned. And then I called from Moscow and said: “Why do you rely on this Kasyanov In the elections he gets no more than 7-8 percent of the vote?”. I say: “It’s great here is such propaganda, as if all the Russians – that!” Quilted jackets “Still 7-8 percent of normal people you have.”. And thank God, at least some have a layer that understands what’s what, guided by the interests of the people, and not some kind of chauvinistic ambitions. But, of course, sadly, that most glad that they have such a manual bandit that it snapped off part of the territory of another country. It’s very sad. It’s tragic and disastrous for Russia. This occupation, no one will ever admit. In Crimea, there is no prospect not only for the Crimean Tatar people, but also for the entire population. It will be subsidized, decaying region. Even Russian economists have estimated that every year include the Crimea, even in such a depressed state, as now, will cost the Russian budget in the $ 4-5 billion. Therefore, the only way – is the restoration of international law and the maintenance of invaders from our territory.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Can you recognize the jurisdiction of the Strasbourg Court of Human Rights and PACE? Or you do not want to admit that your rights are now being violated on the territory of Russia?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Of course, we treat and will appeal. There is a decision of the Strasbourg Court on specific issues. But Russia is not fulfilling them. It does not fulfill even its own legislation. For example, the prohibition of the Majlis. The accusation is made up of 650 pages – it’s mostly excerpts from my speeches, Chubarov and other members of the Majlis that we do not recognize the occupation, we demand the withdrawal of foreign troops from our territory. And for this reason they say that we are encroaching on the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation and the Russian Federation poses a threat to security. So, the process is not over, not yet read the so-called decision of the court, and the Ministry of Justice has introduced Majlis in its list of banned extremist organizations. Where is the logic here? And recently, it was decided that Russia can not implement the decisions of international courts, including the European Court of Human Rights if they are contrary to the interests of Russia. So what the hell you were then to the European Council ?! There was a duty that you will comply with the decisions of the European Council and the European Court. Well, there is no logic. And we recognize and will recognize the judgments of the European Court.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Yes, the Constitutional Court did not accept to be able to vote to prisoners.

And how many of your like-minded people are now prisoners in Russian prisons?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: In total we have 13 members. There are three categories of prisoners. One category – it is for religious reasons. While there is nothing extremist they did not commit, they only found some literature, a Russian point of view – banned, extremist. The second group – those who met me May 3, 2014. It turns out that they illegally crossed the border. From the point of view of international law it is not a border. They moved from one part of Ukraine in the other. As a result, they have had clashes with riot police.

A third category, in which the sitting and the first deputy of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people Ahtem Chiygoz – this meeting February 26, 2014, before the so-called annexation, before the occupation, to the so-called referendum. The Crimean Tatars were against the attempts of the separatist forces in Crimea joining Russia. Here is the February 26 rally, they are regarded as unauthorized and illegal. And that, on 26 February we had to take permission to hold a rally? They act in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, and there did not have to take permission to hold rallies. Here on such absurd accusations is now Ahtemu Chiygozu faces from 15 and up to 20 years in prison. They believe that he organized a rally against annexation to Russia.

And most importantly – the situation of terror. In total, up to the end of last year was, in my opinion, more than 200 searches in homes, schools, mosques of the Crimean Tatars. 95-96 percent – it searches in the homes and in the schools of the Crimean Tatars.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: We expect that once again will be denied and the Day of memory of victims of deportation. Some hotheads think they can ban and Pushkin’s poem “The Fountain of Bakhchisarai” and mention of the Giray dynasty.

Sourse, 27/04/2016

In Crimea, the situation of fear prevails, the feeling of complete vulnerability to arbitrary

August 22, 2015

Mustafa Dzhemilev, the People’s Deputy of Ukraine, leader of the Crimean Tatar people for many is an example. The man who broke into the ordeal and did not buy generous promises. It is compulsory in their promises and consistent actions. Now, when the Crimea was in the Russian occupation, Mustafa-aga is making for the liberation of their motherland more effort than the Foreign Ministry and other government institutions of Ukraine, together.

Mustafa Dzhemilev in a conversation with “Internet” spoke about his international activities and relations with the Russian justice. He expressed his views on the law that declared annexed Crimea free economic zone and promised that if the corruption loophole is closed, he and his supporters would block the road to the Crimea, on which ride the wagon with food and other goods for the occupants.

– Mr. Cemil, now, when Crimea was annexed by the Russians, where your family lives?

– In Bakhchisarai. I live there my wife and son.

– How often do you see them and how to keep in touch?

– Not very often. Last time my wife and I traveled together in Ankara on Congress. She silent fears often leave the Crimea – the logic of the current Crimean authorities can not understand them at any time may not be allowed back. And there – family, friends, home, elderly mother. In addition, the exit of any national of Crimea is perceived very painfully and disapproval. Like, I invite all to suffer and not to leave the Crimea, while they themselves were taken away their relatives!

– Relatives in the Crimea received Russian passports?

– My wife – no, for it is fundamentally, and daughter also did not get, so it is fired from his job at the Tauride University. But the vast majority of Crimean residents still have to get these passports, because without them there to live virtually impossible – not to seek medical help, or get a job, or to issue the property nor any bureaucratic issues can not be solved without Russian documents.

– What has changed in their reviews are now living in the Crimea?

– Everything they say that in the Crimea is now reigns atmosphere of fear, a feeling of complete vulnerability to tyranny. Even on holidays, at weddings do not have the joy that was before. People are afraid to talk to each other. The social position of the people, with the exception of the military, police and government officials, also deteriorated significantly – reducing wages, reducing purchasing power, high cost, long queues in hospitals, etc. And angry, too, is strictly prohibited, it is only necessary to express joy over the “return” of the Crimea to Russia.

– Even among the Crimean Tatars are afraid to be frank?

– there was a lot of snitches. Yes, and listening devices around them stuffed.

– The Russian authorities are blackmailing you your son. What do they offer you?

– Once in August last year, one of the advisers of the Russian president was Kiev and said that Vladimir Vladimirovich wanted to talk back to me, I said that we can only meet in Kiev, because I was denied entry to Russia. I replied that if I would agree to a meeting, then, depending on what the results will be achieved on it, my son the next day will be at home, and I can safely travel to the Crimea. To this I said to him: “That is Vladimir Vladimirovich is holding my son hostage So he’s a terrorist You tell him that we do not conduct negotiations with terrorists?”.

After it went my statement to the press, he called me and complained that I was about the confidentiality clause told the media. And I say, “So you do not make me indecent proposals”. Now this advisor, apparently for something that does not cope with the task, it is very far distant from Putin.

– What fate awaits Now your son?

– He was sentenced to five years in prison for manslaughter. By all the laws, including the Russian, he should be handed over to Ukraine, because the event took place in the territory of Ukraine, and the victim, and my son, too, are the Ukrainian citizens. My son’s lawyer in court talking about the illegality and illegitimacy of such actions. There is also a decision of the European Court of Human Rights that he be extradited, but Russia is not considered with the verdict and did not even respond to our Ministry of Foreign Affairs requests.

My wife also gave readings there. The court, by the way, took place in Krasnodar, Krasnodar, and in addition the prosecutor at the trial was attended by 2 Prosecutor of Crimea. They also asked some questions that my wife said, “I’m on the question of traitors who have violated the oath of his country, do not answer.”

But the jury – it is, in my opinion, one of those units that the Putin regime is not able to control. Both my wife and daughter said that by the jury to him felt some sympathy. When everything came out of the courtroom, one of the women, the jury wished them: “May God give you good luck!”

– Mustafa-aga, what, in your opinion, Ukraine should pursue a policy in relation to the occupied Crimea? And how do you assess the Law “On free economic zones”, according to which Crimea declared a territory?

– On the topic of the law, I have repeatedly talked with the President and the Prime Minister. This is absurd: the occupied territory are declared free economic zone. Yes, to maintain communication with the peninsula, to ensure movement of citizens need. But our power is all done vice versa – are all sorts of obstacles at the entrance and the entrance to the Crimea with Ukrainian passports of people, representatives of the Diaspora, and to carry loads kilometers of queues trucks that follow almost without any checks.

We even conducted an experiment: sent to a person abroad, he comes to customs with the question as to whether they help hold the wagon, not figuring out what cargo it carries. “$ 500, – says he – and another 500 will have to give the border guards.” As a result, a bargain for a total of $ 800. Without checking, pay – and take me what you want!

All this talk, they say, there live our fellow citizens, they can not be left without food – it is the purest nonsense, it does not care about the citizens, if 90% of imported products in the Crimea and then moves on to Russia. But even that, what remains is primarily for the supply of military units. The shops, of course, also is part.

Without doubt, the main supplier of products to the peninsula – it is Ukraine, and if we do not supply them, where prices rise sharply. Russia will have to diversify the supplies, delivering goods by aircraft and ferries, but they will cost several times more expensive. But we continue to carefully feed the invaders and protect the Russian treasury of additional costs.

– What you said the president of the law on SEZs?

– During our last conversation with him, I said that we will block these columns trucks and special no objection.

And the Cabinet is now drawn up a list of goods that can be passed and in what amount. Also planned to establish hubs in the Kherson region – ie, large markets, where the inhabitants of the Crimea will come to buy food.

– It will be convenient for residents of the Crimea, living close to the border with Kherson region. Others, perhaps, will be expensive to travel?

– They do not care it will cost is 2-2.5 times cheaper than buying products in the Crimea. There will be sold not only products, but also construction materials – cement, crushed stone, etc. for individual use, which are now imported from Ukraine in the Crimea as a free economic zone. But the large-scale importation of trucks these materials to the Crimea, which are used in the construction of landfills for Russian missile systems for nuclear base, which is now settling for Kyzyltash, should not be.

– Mustafa-aga, you Simferopol was a charity fund “Krim”. At the moment he was arrested by the Russian authorities?

– First, they said that the Fund can not function because its founder is a foreign national, that is me. they have made themselves a foreigner. Foundation staff compromised and expelled me from its composition, although the statute is not written that I am the founder, as it is based the decision of the National Congress (Kurultai), and members of his administration also appointed by decision of the National Congress, and I, as chairman of the Majlis, of course, was the president of the Foundation.

The Russian authorities, who came to the Crimea, blocked the activity of the Foundation, and all that belongs to the Fund, and therefore the Majlis – buildings, offices – were arrested.

Moreover, all these assets were purchased by us and is privately owned. For example, building on the street. Schmidt 2 in Simferopol, which is considered an architectural monument, was bought by us many years ago, 40 or 45 thousand. Dollars.

All work carried out to repair the building, should be consistent with the architecture of the Committee. So, apart from the fact that the seizure of property was imposed due to the fact that I – “foreign” citizens, even house arrest because without the consent of the Russian architectural department repair of the roof was carried out there. This is so stupid … Are roof repairs should have been in the Ukrainian Crimea negotiate with Moscow? Well, if you would not have made the repair, then certainly he would have seized because “architectural monument” resulted in a state of neglect.

– That is the repair of the roof was carried out prior to the occupation, and the claims presented to you now?

– Of course. In fact of all the absurd.

– Yes, the Russians in the Crimea does not cease to amaze. Mustafa-aga, you filed suit in Moscow’s Basmanny Court to invalidate the decision of the Federal Migration Service to ban the entry you in Crimea. Why Moscow court?

– The lawsuit filed in the Basmanny Court lawyer, Mark Feigin, which protects our Hope Savchenko. Moreover, not in the hope of obtaining a fair judgment on the abolition of the ban arrogant, but to at least find out – what authority and who is hated this decision.

After all, in our hands is not a single document, where it would say something about the ban. I have in the cordon with Crimea on April 19 last year, just read out the paper on which there was no signature, no seal. The lawsuit was to determine who still ruled the ban. In theory, it was supposed to make the Federal Migration Service, but they say they do not do that. Even information on the prohibition of entry I have on the website of the Military Prosecutor’s Office, but also without specifying who took this decision. There is only a kind of justification for the ban – say, represent a threat to the territorial integrity and security of Russia.

And there are even more voluminous document authorship Crimean prosecutor’s office, in which he explained what I bad person, are gleaned from the Internet “anti-Russian” quotes from my interviews and stuff.

So at the trial it became clear that a decision on me took out the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation, even though it does not fit into the Russian legislation, because it is the prerogative of the Federal Service for Migration. But the document with the FSB, too, so no one has presented. Now we have moved to the next stage of the story, it will conclude that now Mark Feigin is preparing documents for the ECHR.

– And why you turned to Russian lawyer?

– To find out what and where it came from in this case, it is necessary in the territory of Russia. Who is going to file a lawsuit with the ECHR – I or Feigin – whether it is necessary that documents of all levels were collected in Russia. That’s it, Mark does.

– What do you think, whether Ukraine should demand compensation from Russia for the assets in the Crimea? And it will not look as if we sell the Crimea?

– Payment shall be required for damages, for all that they have destroyed, taken away. And it’s time to force this point through the international courts to bring lawsuits Russia, and since it will not pay, then seize the property of Russia abroad. We are late with this case, and “YUKOS” Mihaila Hodorkovskogo, for example, won a lawsuit against the US $ 50 billion and now slowly begins to take the Russian property in some countries. The litigation lasted a long time and this was not easy, but in the “Yukos’ former shareholders eventually won. And here the situation is more obvious than that there – there is a violation not only of the economic rights, and international.

– Mustafa-aga, the decree of President of Ukraine you are appointed by the Commissioner of the Crimean Tatar people. Tell me, how we internally displaced persons from the Crimea?

– Displaced we mainly engaged in charity Crimea-SOS and representative of the UN High Commissariat for Refugees Ukraine, who led Oldrich Andrusek.

Cadence it was over, but instead wanted to appoint a former GDRovskogo Komsomolets, who has close ties with Russia. Our Foreign Ministry is justified objected to his candidacy and now representative of the High Commissioner, as it were, without the boss.

Check with great precision of movement of the inhabitants of the peninsula is impossible. But last year Andrusek said that moved about 10 thousand people, half of them – the Crimean Tatars. Who receives information about 21 000 and about 35 thousand. Slightly more than half of all internally displaced persons from the Crimea up the Crimean Tatars, because for them there is the greatest pressure.

– any cases of human rights violations you have fixed in the Crimea, both in terms of the Crimean Tatars, and the rest of the population. And how do you respond to them?

– We can not control everything, but now we already are building a network of correspondents all over the Crimea. This thing is very expensive and dangerous, because there is shadowing the Russian special services delivered at a high level. We collect information on the lines of the Mejlis also created their own network Crimean News Agency with the center in Kiev and ATR channel.

– What we have today in Ukraine there are programs, projects for the return of the Crimea under the jurisdiction of Ukraine?

– a detailed strategy for the return of the Crimea we do not have. But I expressed my opinion, it is that the military way of Crimea return is not possible, it was necessary to shoot at the beginning, and now, according to various estimates, the peninsula is concentrated from 60 to 80 thousand Russian troops, all dispersed weapons, tanks, missiles. There is also evidence that in Kyzyltash near Yalta restore the nuclear facilities and were seen cars, which have the symbol, a warning about nuclear dangers. But the “Topol”, “Iskander”, “SS-20”, which can carry nuclear weapons, there already is. And in the case of a military conflict, if, God forbid, it will explode even one nuclear warhead, it can be a disaster not only for the Crimea, the whole of Ukraine and Russia, but also for the whole of Europe. In a word,

I believe that the main strategy for the Crimea – sanctions. Therefore, the World Congress of Crimean Tatars, which discussed the issue of Crimea, addressed to the whole world and to the Turkish Government to join the sanctions.

The Russians, of course, very nervous about the Congress, they had set up in the Crimea its Sabbath forcibly assembled state employees, and on their behalf made an appeal to Erdogan that he would not allow the Congress. But Erdogan has not only ensured the smooth conduct of the Congress, but also addressed the delegates with the message, where he said that Turkey will never recognize the occupation and will always strive to restore the territorial integrity of Ukraine, called Crimean Tatars continue their struggle for the liberation of Crimea from the Russian occupation . Around the same vein were the treatment and the Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu.

First, the Russian press gleefully reported that Erdogan “ignored”, did not come to our Congress. But he could not come, because these days, together with the Minister of Foreign Affairs visited Indonesia and Pakistan. The Prime Minister was not there in Ankara. But as soon as they returned to the country, then immediately and the prime minister and the president invited us to a meeting. After that, the tone of the Russian press has become a bilious and angry – both in relation to Erdogan, and in general to the international policy of Turkey.

– The Verkhovna Rada has a sectarian association “Crimea”. Who enters into it, and what do they do?

– No special results of work they do not have, and powers, in general, too, no no. MP Alexey Goncharenko suggested that I led the work of this association, but I refused, and then he himself became head of the group.

We’re talking about what we need to create in the Verkhovna Rada a separate Committee for Crimea and other occupied territories. This issue we will discuss in the near future with the Speaker of BP Vladimirom Groysmanom.

– And what in general there are international projects dealing with the problem of the Crimea?

– Who will be the return of the Crimea, if not ourselves? The international community is merely states that the annexation of the Crimea and the Russian invasion of the territory of Ukraine is illegal and does not recognize Crimea’s accession to Russia.

Penalties – it is their measure of influence on Russia. But the sanctions also affect the economies of those countries that have joined this list. For example, I was in Italy, where Berlusconi’s party and even some party “5 stars” comedian Beppe Grullo in favor of the abolition of the sanctions. This movement is in France. But thank God, these countries have not yet abolished the sanctions and unlikely to be canceled until the liberation of the Crimea, but the Russian secret services are working very hard in this respect – and bribe some politicians or organizations, snapping up even provincial newspapers in the European countries, to apply, as is the case with French delegation, traveling to the Crimea and meetings with the occupation authorities and then repeated their statements to the press that no one’s rights are not violated. Unfortunately, the corrupt and greedy for dirty money people everywhere suffice.

But independent international human rights organizations and the Russian authorities in Crimea is not allowed. Once allowed to enter the Turkish group of independent experts, apparently relying on their loyalty, as Turkey has not yet acceded to the sanctions. First was the question of how the delegation would be to get there: if in Moscow, it will be a violation of Ukrainian sovereignty, if in Kiev, then they were not allowed to Crimea. Then, in a conversation with Erdogan in Kyiv on March 20, I proposed a compromise, the delegation arrived in Kiev, and then went to Moscow and from there to Simferopol. Such an option all arranged, and our Ministry of Foreign Affairs also did not mind.

Following the visit to the Crimea a group of experts presented a report on 20 pages, which was a shock to the Russians, because it shows everything as it really is. After that no uncontrolled Russian mission to the Crimea is no longer allowed. We wish to operate through Russian human rights organizations, but they also create a lot of obstacles to their activities in the Crimea – and delay, and check. I am talking about Russian human rights defenders from the group of dissident hardening – Lyudmile Alekseevoy, for example.

– Mustafa-aga, tell us about your trip to Poland for the presentation of the Solidarity Award. You, as far as I know, offered other nominees for the award?

– The award was given to the daughter of Boris Nemtsov – Jeanne. I, as the first winner of this award, had the right to nominate, and the first name that came to mind then, of course, was Boris Nemtsov – a fearless fighter against the regime, against the occupation of the Crimea, and Russia’s war against Ukraine. Which, by the way, and he knew about it he said at a meeting with me in Kiev, that it was likely soon be killed. But the Polish Solidarity Prize as the Nobel not awarded posthumously. So I made the candidacy of Alexander Podrabinek, who fearlessly fought against the Soviet regime, he spent many years in prisons, camps and exile, and now as hard struggles with the Putin regime. I mentioned this in his speech at the ceremony in Warsaw Award on 6 August.

All nominated candidates were many, about 20 people of European, Asian and African countries, and all of them mentioned in a separate film, which was shown at the ceremony.

Out of all the nominations the jury chose Zhannu Nemtsovu – the daughter of Boris Nemtsov, a courageous and talented journalist who after the death of his father, too, was forced to leave Russia, and works on the radio “Deutsche Welle”. By the way, she said that a significant portion of the premium received will give the families of our “Heavenly hundred”, “Boris Nemtsov Fund” to continue his father’s business, the Crimean Tatar TV channel ATR-in-exile, which is the “bastion of freedom on the peninsula of speech and objective news about the situation” and other charitable projects in Ukraine.

Interviewed by Natalia Kondratieva

Sourse, 21/08/2015

Crimea is not yours

December 3, 2014

In the program “Face-to-event” to “Radio Liberty” – an interview with the leader of the Crimean Tatar people, MP of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Mustafa Dzhemilev about what happened and is happening in Russia annexed Crimea.

Conversations at the international conference in Wroclaw memory of the poet Natalia Gorbanevskaya .

Mikhail Sokolov: Conference “Against war and violence.” Which was held November 29 and 30 in Poland in Wroclaw, it was dedicated to the memory of the poet and human rights activist Natalia Gorbanevskaya, one of the eight people who came to Red Square August 25, 1968, in protest against the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia. Participated in policy discussions, human rights activists, historians, writers from Russia, Ukraine, Poland, the protesters in Red Square in 1968. Pavel Litvinov and Viktor Feinberg. The leader of the Crimean Tatar people Mustafa Dzhemilev spoke about Natalia Gorbanevskaya.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Dear friends, colleagues. A year as dead Natalia Gorbanevskaya. But we, the old dissidents, while we are still alive, perhaps we should talk about Natalia Gorbanevskaya. This is very important, because such people always lacked, then and now, and not to be missed in the future tense.

Already the first document, which was signed by the initiative group – it would appeal to the United Nations Commission on Human Rights, where there were 15 signatures of members of the initiative group, which spoke about the main crimes of the Soviet regime in the field of human rights, including mention of the struggle of the Crimean Tatar people to return to their homeland, about lawlessness of the Soviet authorities. It was one of the first documents, which allowed to bring the Crimean Tatar problem, the problem of the deported people to return to their historical homeland of the world community.

Arrest Natalia Gorbanevskaya very painful blow to the initiative of our group. Because a major role in the collection of materials, drafting, correcting and even many of the documents, which were issued by the initiative group of human rights, Natalia played Gorbanevskaya. There are these words: “And the good and evil – all die, so better to let the good we will remember.” Natalia Gorbanevskaya one of those people who will remember for a long time.

Mikhail Sokolov: “Poetry Natalia Gorbanevskaya inherits Russian civic poetry, with its idealism, the idea of ​​man as a being, longing for justice, sacrifice and unselfish,” – said Grigory Yavlinsky. But, of course, the focus was not only poetry, but also the problems of human rights, ideals that were important for Natalia Gorbanevskaya, were central to her life.

The son of Natalia Gorbanevskaya – Jaroslav urged the authorities of Western countries demand that the Russian release of all political prisoners.

Jaroslav Gorbanevsky: Today I am in Wroclaw on the anniversary of my mother’s memory, which stands for your freedom and ours. For the freedom of all, in particular, for freedom of political prisoners. If we celebrate the memorial of her reward with something or just remember, just honestly could say: It stands for freedom, let us do as well as she did. We love her, we honor it, let’s do what she would have asked us to do. So today I asked Poland to those whose words at the official level is important, with a request: say three sentences, speaking officially, openly, publicly, tell those three phrases to release Russian prisoners.

Mikhail Sokolov: “Polish society is one in relation to assessment of the events in Ukraine and the aggression against it”, – said the president of the Polish Institute of National Remembrance Lukasz Kaminski. The famous Polish sociologist and translator of Adam Pomorsky believes that Putin managed to just a year to destroy what happened in Europe in the last quarter of a century.

At an international conference in Wroclaw, a resolution was adopted with the assessment of what is happening in Russia and Ukraine:

“We, the participants of the international conference” Days of memory Natali Gorbanevskoy “urge the Russian people do not support a regime that leads to disaster.

We appeal to the governments and citizens of the free world: do not throw the Ukraine alone. Stop Russian aggression.

We, friends and colleagues Natali Gorbanevskoy, appeal to the governments and citizens of the free world: ask the Russian authorities to release all political prisoners. “

The resolution is very important, – says human rights activist and historian Alexander Daniel:

At the international conference “Against war and violence” in the center of attention and was the Crimean Tatar issue.

About what is happening in the Crimea, now in the “Face-to-event”, we talk with the leader of the Crimean Tatar human rights movement, a deputy of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Mustafa Dzhemilev.

Mustafa, I would like to start a little distance in the same sense as were the relations of the Crimean Tatar people with the Ukrainian authorities in Crimea. Because today on this topic a lot of different fantasies, talk about what you and discriminated against in Ukraine. Like going back?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Definitely, that any coherent policy of the Ukrainian state system against the Crimean Tatar people as an indigenous people of the peninsula, was not. Yes, Ukraine has declared that it recognizes the illegal deportation of the Crimean Tatars, has committed itself to solve all the social and legal problems of the Crimean Tatar people. In practice, it has done very little. We, the Crimean Tatars did not return what was illegally taken away.

On the one hand this is understandable. What to do with, say, the people who live in our homes. The state in this respect, has said that it is the best of its capabilities will solve social problems through the provision of the budget year in accordance with their capabilities, but stood minuscule, it did not cover a tenth of what is needed, not even was the fact income taxes, which was obtained in the Crimean Tatars working.

In general, the attitude of the Ukrainian establishment to the Crimean Tatars was such as to the voters. Upcoming elections, they proceed from the fact that the Crimean Tatars have consolidated electorate, the vast majority decision of its highest representative body of the Mejlis, the Kurultai, therefore, agreed with Parliament to the effect that we support them in the elections, and if they win, introduce some of its passage list one or two, depending on the capabilities of this political party, our representatives.

But Majlis has its basic principles. For example, even if the Communist Party offered us their entire list to give, we would not have voted. We have always supported the principle of national-democratic forces, they usually do not come to power. There was one case when Yushchenko was president, the party came to power. Then they began discord, they not only failed to fulfill the promises against the Crimean Tatars, but also generally in relation to other voters, too.

Worse it was the part of those who came to power. They are, as a rule, relied on in Russian, chauvinistic electorate. To us it was, at least, indifference, hostility under Yanukovych. Accordingly, the problem is not solved. If the Crimean Tatars in the autonomy is 14%, then in the structures, as we shall find in the local or regional elections executive, representative government depended places, and in the executive power structure the percentage of Crimean Tatars did not exceed 2.5-3%, that is discrimination 4-5. Accordingly, no other problems were solved. Not because Ukraine was chauvinistic, great-approach to the Crimean Tatars. Due, in particular, the fact that the Crimea – is a region where the vast majority are ethnic Russian, who moved primarily, more than 80%

The stereotype, which was implemented for decades, that drove away it is true that they are traitors, all of this favorably perceived by them, give peace of mind, as they took home, whom they sent to death, and then it turns out, it turns out, that they are bad. Here is the promotion lasted for many years, and it was passed down from generation to generation.

Mikhail Sokolov: Crimean authorities with those who led the executive branch, could agree, or they had a special respect for its Kiev, more rigid with respect to the Crimean Tatar people politics?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Definitely all, who heads the executive branch can not. Were more or less pragmatic, to the best of their abilities a little bit more far-sighted than towards others. The last prime minister of Mogilev, ardent chauvinist who in the press openly justified the deportation of Crimean Tatars, said it was the “fifth column”. What can you negotiate with them? Respectively had the chauvinistic policy. He fully supported, as well as his chief of Yanukovich, a pro-Russian on the Russian majority. In between, there were some people, such as the Prime Minister Kunitsyn or Speaker of the Verkhovna Rada Gritsenko, who understood that if you do not solve the problem of the Crimean Tatars, then this is the way to conflict, then they will not be able, and for ourselves to get something. That is a more pragmatic, more prone to the Crimean Tatars.

Mikhail Sokolov: Did you have any suggestions that might be organized in the Crimea coup with the participation of Russian law enforcement agencies, with the participation of Aksenov groups, and so on?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: For a long time, my view was that the current situation in Russia is unlikely to direct annexation, most likely Russia will always create tensions, create problems Ukraine to the fact that they could not create an independent policy. But the fact that so and will move its troops, chop off another part of the territory, in the twenty-first century, it seemed incredible. But after the 2008 Russian-Georgian war, I was probably one of the first, which opened in the press, in the newspaper “Day” said that next in line could be Ukraine. I even said so, that repeated a similar scenario. If, for example, in Georgia, South Ossetia and Abkhazia strenuously heard Russian passports, then about the same thing happens. I cited statistics on how much we have in the Crimea there is people who have Russian passports, analysis of the elections to the authorities of Russia. Sets the polling stations, and those who have Russian passports, vote. Based on the fact that it was not quite comfortable to come from one village to another in the elections, we did this offer and come to the conclusion that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel. who have Russian passports, vote. Based on the fact that it was not quite comfortable to come from one village to another in the elections, we did this offer and come to the conclusion that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel. who have Russian passports, vote. Based on the fact that it was not quite comfortable to come from one village to another in the elections, we did this offer and come to the conclusion that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel. that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel. that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel.

I also said that a serious threat to the security of Ukraine is the Black Sea fleet, so you should immediately proceed to the denunciation of the contract with Russia on the Black Sea Fleet. Although I suggest what may be the cost, what penalties, but the security interests should be paramount. Of course, to take a course to join the North Atlantic alliance.

But authorities did exactly the opposite. It was still under Yushchenko, and after a while came to power Yanukovych, it is not something to denounce, the term had come to an end in 2017, it extended for another 25 years under the pretext that Putin promised to reduce the price of gas at one hundred dollars per thousand cubic meters. This, in my view, was a real betrayal. No wonder at the statement, upon ratification of this treaty were just fights in the parliament. But the power they have, and they were able to push through it.

So later I saw an analytical report of the Security Service of the Crimea to his superiors in Kiev, where about my statement saying that the Majlis takes a provocative attitude, actions are aimed to spoil fraternal relations between the two countries. That is, we are provocateurs, because we want to withdraw the Black Sea Fleet.

Summing up, I want to say that there have been indications that this can happen, though not fully believe it. Moreover, that the head of state for a few months before, when he was asked the question, that, well, there is talk that the Russian claim to Crimea, how do you assess, it clearly states that this is nonsense, it’s nonsense, it provocation, we respect the state border of Ukraine, is coming up with different provocateurs. And suddenly this development. Arguments to justify this policy and the introduction of its troops on our territory, of course, does not stand up to scrutiny. The claims that if the Ukraine to establish a fascist regime, Bandera, that there almost chase through the streets and kill everyone who is not a fascist – it was such wildness directly posed on its head.

 with full responsibility that in all the years of Ukraine’s independence is now just after Independence and Revolution, established in all branches of government, the executive and the Cabinet of Ministers, the Verkhovna Rada most that eat the most democratic system of governance.

Please note though that we have parliamentary speaker with a typical Ukrainian surname Groisman, Interior Minister Avakian. There generally are not interested in the nationality of the one prescribed.

Such wild fancies as if created a threat to the Russian-speaking population in the regions, especially in the depths of Russia, who did not know that we have going on, it may be held.

Mikhail Sokolov: Still grouping Aksenov, what is it? You come across these people? They got 3 or 5% in the last election and now they are the real power.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Since 2009, they could not be heard on the political horizon, but in 2009 they created a group called “Russian unity”, this populist theme that Russian should unite to defend their rights. Pro-Russian rhetoric has been a lot of that is historical, but frankly, it is necessary to separate the Crimea from Ukraine and Russia attach to such slogans they had, but was clearly pro-Russian. We knew that he was very powerfully supported by a neighboring state, and not very successful, because it is a serious election votes are not typed. At the same time, it was known that this Aksenov named “Goblin” has managed to place in different power structures, primarily in the prosecutor’s office, his men, who defended them when they came across a not very nice things. But still, of course, governed from the Kremlin, Moscow, itself the Goblin could not do anything until you go to some order. All revolutions, it is no secret, it is not carried out “Russian unity”, and specific powers which belong to the Russian military.

Mikhail Sokolov: If we talk about the events of the beginning of the winter and spring, say, February, was there a real opportunity to confront once this coup, say, the same Crimean Tatars, who took to the streets, and then somehow disappeared from the streets?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I can say that for 100% could resist, if not for the intervention of the neighboring country. Because seized Parliament, the Council of Ministers of autonomy is not Russian bloc and the so-called “little green men” – a cadre people trained terrorists with all equipment. Therefore, it was not, someone who will overcome on the Crimean peninsula, there is dictated by external forces.

Mikhail Sokolov: It was not here for your mistakes? Demonstrations, in my opinion, continued for three days, then somehow were discontinued. If the demonstrations continued, maybe Putin does not want to take the risk?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Completely eliminate what you said, it is also impossible, this view has a right to exist. But as the events unfolded. What this rally going? To Parliament adopted the decision that they were motivated by the Kremlin, to accede to Russia. Accordingly, the Crimean Tatars were against. Failed. This is the 26th confrontation, they collected three or four thousand of his supporters brought up by buses from all edges, including Sevastopol. Crimean Tatars, there were three or four times more pushed.

The very next day the room occupied by terrorists. These terrorists have a pass allowed deputies at the entrance to the Parliament have seized mobile phones, in front of each stand when put to the vote, keep track of who like to vote, and like they scored either 56, or 57 votes, but there were only 46 votes, according to some reports. However, they declared that the deputies voted to join Russia. Even if it was 90%, still it is illegitimate.

What kind of parliament where the barrel behind you indicate how to vote. There are people, of course, can be and have been inclined to vote for certain decisions, but they are likely to vote when they will be paid, but not when forced to. There simply forced. Already carried out any actions aimed at the liberation of the occupied territories, it was obvious bloodshed. Also in Kiev, we were asked not to go, not to provoke, not to allow that Putin was a reason for the introduction of troops. There even was talk that preparing provocations that have had to find two or three dead Russian soldiers, of course, killed the Crimean Tatars, then start a campaign against the Crimean Tatars. We are seriously afraid of this and warned the press that there are our sources of information. They are the soldiers did not kill. Crimean Tatars,

Mikhail Sokolov: You can specify: Kiev – who is this? These people have families, and so on?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Then was the speaker of the Verkhovna Rada of Turchynov, Prime Minister Yatsenyuk. I’m not going to blame them, their order can be correctly and completely wrong. That’s right, if there really ready for something bloody, and they acted very humanely, saying he did not go out and do not lose their lives. And if this confidence was not simply give in to terrorists, to leave them unpunished, moreover, had the opportunity to neutralize them and do not do – is, of course, raises a number of questions as to why it was not done.

Mikhail Sokolov: I understand that at this stage the victims were just among the Crimean Tatars, a man was killed there. It was possible to find out what happened and who’s to blame him?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: It is not these days, later it was. March 3 area came Crimean Tatar, Ukrainian flag wrapped, said he was against the occupation, it was then in front of all the people was pushed into a car and drove away. Then a week later his body was found with signs of violence, tied with adhesive tape, to the naked eye it was clear that killed stabbed in the eye. The fact that this operation vykradyvaniyu human and murder carried out so-called “self-defense”, where all the thugs in the Crimea, we had no doubt. The fact that the FSB and then say that they can not identify, can not be established – is babbling. If YouTube can recognize who pushes him, the experts have been even more so. This concerns not only the first but also the subsequent vykradyvany people.

Mikhail Sokolov: We stayed on repression. The repression against the Crimean Tatars from the people who occupied the Crimea, they almost immediately started after the occupation?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: We have accurate information that the Russian political establishment had a dual attitude to the developments in Crimea and, in particular, in relation to the Crimean Tatars. Part of the establishment came from the fact that the Crimean Tatars have to agree, especially with Parliament, because the vast majority of Crimean Tatars are guided by the Majlis. This explains the invitation to Moscow for talks, the arrival of numerous delegations from Russia, Tatarstan, Bashkortostan, to negotiate with the Majlis of the Crimean Tatar people.

Mikhail Sokolov: We can remember how there was this type of negotiation process that they are offered to you?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: From the outset, they had prepared, and even adopted a draft resolution of the Verkhovna Rada of the Autonomous Republic, where Crimean Tatars 23% of guaranteed representation in all structures of power in all branches of government, including in parliament. That is allocated a quota under this quota choose themselves Crimean Tatars. The functioning of the Crimean Tatar language as one of the official on the territory of Crimea. Thirdly, the return of the Crimean Tatars, who were forced to lie outside of the Crimea. It was assumed that the measures will be taken public, including financial ones, in order to facilitate their return to the territory of Crimea. What will be restored historical place names of the Crimea – it is more than 1,200 settlements, which at one time after the deportation of the Crimean Tatars were Russified: Tank, Armored,

And most significant is that these people, who came to power and brought them, the “Goblin”, I mean Aksenov, who poison breathed in the Majlis, always stated that it is an illegal structure, so-and-so, all of a sudden in this decision stated that they will be officially recognized, the Crimean Tatar Kurultai and Majlis. That is, there was such a direct calculation that the Crimean Tatars to celebrate, to cling to these opportunities and say how happy they are to be in the Russian Federation. But this is not passed.

The upper hand in policy toward the Crimean Tatars began to occupy the “hawks”, who initially said that the Tatars Crimean impossible to negotiate, especially with Parliament, so you need to act only traditional exhaust not only in Soviet Russia, but also in pre-revolutionary methods separation of the Crimean Tatars into good and bad, the repression that, in fact, done.

Mikhail Sokolov: What kind of repression took place today?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Mass no arrests have massive searches under the pretext that they allegedly looking for weapons, in some cases, they say the drugs, although it seems absurd, with no data, they say, Behold, we are looking for drugs. Weapons, drugs, and the third, the most vulnerable – is the search for banned books. They made a list of forbidden books of more than 2600 titles, but this is an incomplete list.

We first talked about 40 searches the Crimean Tatars in their homes, mosques, schools, and they turned out to be much larger. Some houses were searched and immediately threatened that if someone knows about it, then let him think about the children. Closed searches were carried out mainly by so-called “self-defense”. They were taken during the search, not only as a traditional FSB conducts searches, seized computers, materials, they still grab that will attract them.

Mikhail Sokolov: “self-defense” forces – what is this? It’s illegal armed formation of Russian legislation?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Illegal, but they wanted to legalize, prepared a draft resolution, it is volunteers who are patriotic reasons.

Mikhail Sokolov: Type the terrorists?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: The guards did not have guns, and they – and their body armor and equipment, machines, all they have.

Mikhail Sokolov: So it’s actually a gang. What quantity of these gangs?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Hard to say, a few hundred. To my mind. May 3, when I do not miss, Aksenov issued the call to gather all the members of groups “self-defense”, wherever they were, they say, is about to start a war with the Crimean Tatars.

Mikhail Sokolov: On May 3. As I understand it, when you did not miss, people have been trying somehow to express his opinion, the demonstration carried out now, as I understand it, are repression, searches and arrests?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: yesterday reported that the arrested four people accused in the case that he had illegally crossed the state border between the Crimea and Ukraine, from the point of view of international law is absurd, at 100%, you can be sure that the European Court of Human Rights is do not recognize.

They formed the gang mainly of so-called Cossacks, former gebistov who were werewolves, who served in the Security Service of Ukraine, but among them there are those who have never been in the Crimea, so to speak softer.

They basically do the dirty work, they are not an independent force. I am absolutely certain that if the central Russian government was interested in the fact that they were not idle, then so be it was. We have the impression that this was done deliberately in order to intimidate people, to force ourselves to leave the territory of Crimea.

Mikhail Sokolov: The case of the third, as I understand it, is used in the same spirit as the “swamp thing” in Russia, to intimidate people. Are there any prospects that it can grow?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: expanding, looking to what extent. If it’s a bloody showdown, the Majlis will make every effort, that it was not, because it would mean the death of our people.

Mikhail Sokolov: If even a few dozen people arrested?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: There are different options. They came to me people who said that we are also able to easily steal them. I said that we can not go on this way, we are not terrorists, we are not going to steal one. That is, I come to a standstill, it is difficult to answer unequivocally. When your rights are harshly suppressed, bullied, whether it is necessary to respond with violence? It seems to be logical, to your land came the soldiers of another country, dictates the rules, he put on you bastards, that humiliate your dignity. Exit what? Well, war, shot one, two, three, they are the same in a few hours, especially now, when the trap snapped shut, no were not allowed there, without any witnesses, can do anything you want, and then press to declare that the Crimean Tatars fought among themselves, the different clans killed themselves.

Mikhail Sokolov: So you are for non-violent resistance?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I would not say in the absolute non-violent. We have on this subject often appeared that there is no alternative. If the armed forces should adhere to the principle of nonviolence, why do they need, what machines, which should never shoot? In the military department has its own standard of behavior should have been, it may be there, but it was not observed. According to various estimates, there were about 14,000 armed forces on the territory of Crimea. Conditions in order to participate in the war, not what win any concessions to get their rights – it was unreal.

Mikhail Sokolov: We often hear that Ukraine has made a mistake, if it had at least a minimal resistance in the Crimea, there would be no hike Strelkova in Donbass and other actions.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: we have a lot to discuss on this topic. Arguments such that, say, guided by humane considerations, not to dying people. Why then keep the army? Who wants to come, chop off, which you need to territory. For the military is not an argument, not to resist.

This is largely demoralized in some way, and those citizens who remained in the Crimea loyal to their state. They were amazed at how this is so, a weapon that is bought at the expense of the taxpayers, just as the aggressor. There are other reasons, it turns out, did not want to provoke, like people did not die.

Mikhail Sokolov: As a result, they do not die in the Crimea and the Donbas.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: And die in the Crimea.

Mikhail Sokolov: What is the current economic situation in the Crimea, according to your data? What is happening and what is going on with the same Crimean Tatars, still they are in the agricultural sector is largely involved?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: None agriculture or tourism, which was one of the main sources of income in the Crimea, now do not have to say, because who wants to relax in the occupied territory, besides not go any traffic reports, no planes, no boats.

Mikhail Sokolov: prices are rising?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: prices are rising, but the Russian government has raised some salaries and pensions, too. By many indicators that tell me this in some way compensates for the fact that prices have risen. Therefore, the money received would like a little more, but also have to spend more on the same products. This is one.

Secondly, the threat to agriculture. It’s no secret that more than 80% of water, including irrigation purpose water comes from the mainland. If you block the water, and she was partially blocked because something is destroyed, then the autonomous republic no other way to try to solve to get water from underground sources, and use this water to irrigate the land – it’s just a crime, causing great environmental damage . But with no other choice, they do it. They have caused great damage to the ecology of the Crimea is due to the fact that the drilled, fetched water to watered.

Mikhail Sokolov: Say, can we say that Crimea is an economic blockade on the part of Ukraine after the adoption of the law on the occupied territories?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: No there is no blockade. Even we have information that the time since the occupation of the Crimean port of call in 69 vehicles.

Mikhail Sokolov: It is almost a year?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: If we assume that in March-April to date. I say 69 because the number was exactly in the list of names of ships that call at ports of Crimea, Attorney General of illegal crossing of the territory, including entering our territorial waters.

Mikhail Sokolov: The ships do not come legally, agriculture in poor condition, and people than live?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Most jobs servicing the military complex. They launched a very large military preparations. Yesterday came from the Crimea, said that a huge amount of cement being taken, where used to be a nuclear repository, all signs want to restore it.

Across the road the Crimea build, is clearly not in order to make people comfortable, and for military purposes, especially in the northern parts. Openly say that military action will begin soon on the border between the Crimea and Kherson area. Due to this, in the main.

In this situation, the Crimean Tatars is very difficult. Because if you’re doing a job that serves the military, you have to give the oath of allegiance to Russia. Someone in desperation goes for it. At this very well speculate Russian media, be sure to remove, will be shown on the Internet, how to swear allegiance to Russia.

Mikhail Sokolov: The bridge will be built in the Crimea, do you think? Something that will change fundamentally?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Regarding the construction of the bridge, at the time it was engaged and Hitler did not succeed. Maybe if I exert some effort. But this bridge is illegal because it has to be agreed with the Ukrainian government.

Mikhail Sokolov: What do you propose to do now Crimean Tatars, you – the leader of the Majlis, you are on the territory of Ukraine, you home is not allowed, and what do the people who were left?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: It’s hard sitting in Kiev, give instructions, from our point of view, the most correct. People there are very hard. Of course, we’d love to have one of the Crimean Tatars did not take Russian citizenship, so they boycotted. But this is impossible, impossible. Would that they are empty of peace, but the resistance of rallies, demonstrations.

It also let to mass arrests, top kills. Therefore, we stick to the traditional way – non-violent resistance, defending their dignity. This is not entirely successful, because there is such a massive pressure, such as never was under Soviet rule.

Mikhail Sokolov: There collaborators?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: A Frenchman once said: if some people do not drug addicts, prostitutes, traitors, what kind of a nation? Of course, there will probably be. The main thing is that their number was not some sort of critical mass.

I can say that with this case from the Russian occupation authorities is very great difficulties. Yes, they recruit someone, put on some positions, while at the same time do spit, they say that there is nobody behind them, their people despise, arms not served. Keep what you have. Of course there will, probably.

Mikhail Sokolov: Do you regret that in Tatarstan President Putin failed to agree somehow or the other way around, which is not declared him a tougher stance?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I without offense, but said its tough stance. When Putin said that to solve all the problems of the Crimean Tatars, I did not refuse this aid, of course, Russia is responsible for the situation in which we find ourselves. We were a part of Russia, when we were deported. Be so kind as to solve issues following the withdrawal of your troops from our territory. Decide at the negotiating table with our guidance. And to ensure that these negotiations take place, again, you need to withdraw its troops. Putin, too, thought that if the mountain to promise things, the more given that the Crimean Tatars and the Ukrainian authorities were in the same position, for some reason they hoped that we easily persuaded. Since this did not happen, they are focused on their traditional methods – repression, attempts to split and so on.

Mikhail Sokolov: What will you do in the Verkhovna Rada is now, in the new structure?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I have always said and say that alone solve the problem of the Crimean Tatars without reference to the problems of the whole of Ukraine is impossible. Of course, we will strive to a sharp improvement in the economic situation in Ukraine, strengthening defense capabilities. Because that’s exactly what if our defenses were not in such a catastrophic situation, as in recent years our President Yanukovych, Putin would hardly have brought their troops.

Of course, we will work a lot at the international level, because the Western countries should fulfill their commitments. Even it’s not that they were concerned about Ukrainians and Crimean Tatars, everyone has their own interests. Because if you close your eyes to this international robbery in the XXI century – is the way to a very large disaster.

Mikhail Sokolov: “Our country is in danger tanks in a strange land” – these words said to the invasion of Czechoslovakia by Russian poet Alexander Galich. Today, the Russians have the right to repeat these words.

Today, the Russian tanks again in a strange land, people today again imprisoned, because they are fighting for freedom. It is a threat to all of us. For our freedom and yours!

Sourse, 02/12/2014

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Crimean Tatars: the nation’s tragedy

April 28, 2016

Ban the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people has strongly condemned the US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland. Speaking April 27 during his visit to Kiev, she stressed that this outrageous decision violates the democratic rights of the entire “historical community.”

The EU called the ban the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people, a serious attack on the rights of the Crimean Tatars and evidence of further deterioration of the human rights situation in Russia annexed Crimea. This is stated in the statement of the European External Action Service.

“It is necessary without delay to ensure full compliance with international standards of human rights and other obligations under international law, in particular, in this case in relation to the Crimean Tatars community”, – the statement says.

April 26 Russian-controlled Crimea Supreme Court acknowledged Majlis extremist organization and banned its activities on Russian territory. Thus I was satisfied the claim of the Crimean prosecutor Natalia Poklonsky, which accused the Majlis in the anti-Russian activities.

Tragic history and current problems of the Crimean Tatar people to discuss politics Mustafa Dzhemilev (Kyiv), the political analyst Valery Khomyakov , the journalist Eider Muzhdabaev (Kiev).

Moderator – Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior .

Vladimir Kara-Murza, Sr.: The EU called the ban the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people, a serious attack on the rights of the Crimean Tatars and evidence of further deterioration of the human rights situation in Russia annexed Crimea.

On Tuesday, the Russian-controlled Crimea Supreme Court recognized the Majlis extremist organization and banned its activities on Russian territory. Thus, the request Natalia Poklonsky, Crimean prosecutor was satisfied that the Majlis has accused of anti-Russian activities.

Tragic history and current problems of the Crimean Tatars, we will discuss with our guest – political analyst Valeriem Homyakovym.

Valery, whether offensive to all the people the motivation to deport him because they collaborated with the German occupiers?

Valery Khomyakov:This is an old story. Of course, in every nation, including in Russian, in the war years were, to put it mildly, the traitors, collaborators. They were also among the Chechen people, and among the Crimean Tatars. But because of this, should not suffer the nations as a whole. And here we are seeing a massive attempt to present the enemy all the Crimean Tatar people – as well as others, in particular Kalmyks … I lived as a child in the Altai region, and I had a friend – Kalmyk, who was with his family to get evicted. This happened a long time ago. And when allowed, they returned to Kalmykia. Here the story is more tragic because the Crimean Tatars were able to return to the Crimea alone, in my opinion, in the late ’80s, under Gorbachev, if I do not get them mixed up. Of course, it is an insult. To them in everyday life looked upon as some traitors, fascist hirelings. All this affects the relationship of the Crimean Tatars in the circles in which they lived. This Stalinist attempt to present the people as their enemies of the fatherland, of course, terrible.

Unfortunately, what we are seeing is, in part looks like this, including the recent decision of which you have said. Although it was preceded by a lengthy process. It is not easy to feed Mrs. Poklonsky all it appeared. After the Crimea was annexed to the Russian Federation, as far as I know, we were set up parallel to the Crimean Tatar structure. They created three for two years, – sworn allegiance to Moscow to agree with everything. And creates an illusion: think of it, the Majlis – the body established at the time the Kurultai, and in fact all Crimean Tatars rallied around the governor of the Kremlin in the Crimea – Mr. Aksenov.

На мой взгляд, дело обстоит не так. Подобного рода вещи практиковались, практикуются и будут практиковаться. Что, на мой взгляд, не приводит к тем результатам, которые замышляли их инициаторы. Расколоть крымский народ не удастся. Были отдельные люди, которые в годы войны сотрудничали с немецкими оккупантами, и сейчас есть нечто подобное. Но в целом крымский народ, как мне кажется, един в своем желании сохранить свою самобытность, свои обычаи. Он един в желании не подвергаться давлению из Москвы, из Киева или еще откуда-то. Это закаленные люди. В генах этих людей – стремление сохранить свое достоинство. А сейчас мы видим попытки растоптать это достоинство – попытки крайне неуклюжие, о чем достаточно справедливо заметил Евросоюз.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: We connected Mustafa Dzhemilev, the former Soviet political prisoner, leader of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people, MP of the Verkhovna Rada.

Mustafa, held true whether the rehabilitation of the Crimean Tatars after Stalin’s deportation?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: No Ukraine deported Crimean Tatars and the Soviet Union. Therefore, it was the adoption of the law on the restoration of political and social rights of the Crimean Tatar people. The Ukrainian parliament has been quite a lot of forces that resist it – pro-Russian forces, the Communists. It was not possible. But after the occupation, somewhere this law was passed in the 20 days of March. There clearly is called deportation as a crime against humanity, and adopted a series of measures aimed at restoring. But time has been lost. This law should have been taken long ago.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: And who of Russian dissidents and human rights activists fought along with you for the restoration of the rights of your people? Everyone remembers the fate of General Grigorenko. What was this man?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Our national movement was democratic, so it attracted the sympathy of many human rights defenders, enlightened people. Among the Russian intelligentsia, one of the first who spoke out in defense of the rights of the Crimean Tatar people was writer Aleksey Kosterin. He drew attention to this problem General Pyotr Grigorenko. By the time he was a political prisoner. And somewhere in the 66-year, in my opinion, he is actively involved in our national movement. You could say he was one of the authorities. In those days in the homes of the Crimean Tatars could often be seen portraits are not only veterans of the national movement, but Petra Grigorenko. Indeed, it was a very brave man who did everything in his power. He has made an invaluable contribution to our national movement, and primarily in the promotion,

And it must be said about Sakharov, who was connected to the issue later, but he was also very effective in its activities in support of our national movement.

If we follow the trials of the national movement activists, among them there were a lot of Russian, Ukrainian, Baltic defenders who in one way or another in contact with the national movement of the Crimean Tatars, and expressed to him the solidarity support. And you’re right: Pyotr Grigorenko – it is the brightest figure in our national movement.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: recently filmed a feature film about the tragedy of your people. But it is still not allowed on the Russian screen. Remind them that it is for the film, and why he has such a hard fate rolling.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: This is the first and only feature film on the subject. Our entrepreneur to finance it. It is called “Haytarma”. Haytarma – is a dance, but then “Haytarma” – a return to his homeland. The film speaks of deportation. According to some estimates, something softened. A pro-Russian people say it shows too cruel. From our point of view, the film turned out to be very successful.

And Russia is reviving the Stalinist regime, at least – in the occupied Crimea. And any films, books exposing the Soviet government policies perceived as an insult to the Russian people and the Russian Federation.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Valery, after the deportation of only two people not been restored statehood – a Volga Germans and Crimean Tatars. Why Khrushchev was afraid to return to their statehood?

Valery Khomyakov: Hard to say, because of what is happening. There are many cities in the Saratov region, where the Volga Germans lived before the war was a republic of the Volga Germans. Apparently, the Soviet Union then leaders feared would create a kind of enclave that is because of their dissatisfaction with the fact that they were driven at the time from their homes, to create a structure that can be “total maverick.”

Chechens and Kalmyks returned to their land, gained statehood, at least, that they now have in the form of republics within the Russian Federation. But the Crimean Tatars and Volga Germans fate was more tragic. Many Germans have left their historical homeland, because the law of the Federal Republic of Germany, ethnic German is actually considered to be a citizen of the Federal Republic of Germany. A Crimean Tatars go particularly nowhere. Someone went to a variety of reasons, but mostly they are somehow tied to the land where they were born. Crimea for the Crimean Tatars – this is the Promised Land, they were born there, and much earlier, than there came the Russian troops. This distinguishes the fate of the Volga Germans from the fate of the Crimean Tatars, which, unfortunately, is not so happy as we would like.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Let’s listen to a journalist Eider Muzhdabaeva, deputy director general of the Crimean Tatar TV channel the ATR, which believes that the ban Majlis almost impossible.

Eider Muzhdabaev: prohibitions against the Majlis – a symbolic act, since it is impossible to ban the Mejlis, because he was never officially registered. This Crimean Tatar self-government, which is almost 30 years old. Therefore, the ban in formal terms is negligible.

And with the actual point of view, this means not ban the Mejlis, and the fact that they facilitate the process itself of repression against the Crimean Tatars. That is no longer necessary to prove fictitious guilt – some phony terrorism, which they can not nobody “sew” in the Crimea for two years looking for weapons and explosives in their homes, but nothing, of course, can not be found. Will not need to ascribe any other illegal actions – mass disorders, which are trying to concoct criminal cases, the reason for that, too, of course, was not. All this bogus charges. They are tired of this formality, as in his time Stalin NKVDshniki tired of the first trials. So they then came up with the “troika” and the people began to quickly judge and destroy the plant. The same purpose, there are in the decision. Accused of involvement in the Majlis of Crimean Tatar can be any. Now, any book with a portrait of Cemil will be the basis for the Russian court. Gates for mass repressions opened.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Mustafa, remind, please, what was the statutory objectives of the Mejlis, speaking bureaucratic language? For which he was created?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: It is the representative body of the Crimean Tatar people, which defends the rights of the Crimean Tatars in local government, that is to promote and co-operation with the authorities to solve our problems, as well as to represent Crimean Tatars at the international level. Before ’91, when it was created our first Kurultai and Majlis elected, we can say that a full representative of the Crimean Tatar people was the National Movement of Crimean Tatars. A 89-year – The organization of the Crimean Tatar national movement.

And in the run-up of the Soviet Union, when there was a “restructuring”, it was possible to hold elections – though not quite openly, but, nevertheless, there was such an opportunity – decided to establish a representative body of the Crimean Tatars, who is elected directly by the people, regardless whether it is involved in the national movement or not. And here on the principle of “one delegate to the national convention of thousands of people” across the Soviet Union, where Crimean Tatars lived, held elections of delegates. So, these delegates were chosen at the national congress of 250 people. He was called the Second National Congress, because the First National Congress was in the 17th year of its shot by the Bolsheviks. And the National Congress elected by ballot 33 human members of the Majlis for five years – is the executive body of the Kurultai of the Crimean Tatar people. But this is the tip of the iceberg.

Then came the elections of local and regional Mejlis in all the places of residence of the Crimean Tatars. Thus, the last elections were in 2012, at the time of the occupation of the Crimea were about 230 local and regional majlis, which involved a total of 2 000 300 people. Therefore, when we speak of the prohibition of the Majlis – is not only a ban on 33 persons, but also the entire system of the national government of the Crimean Tatar people. That is only 2 thousand 300 local and regional members of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people, the Kurultai delegates in total – somewhere in the 2.5 thousand people. In accordance with the logic of the Russian law they are called extremists. And the one who helps or elect these “extremists” – is also a kind of “extremists.” And it turns out that almost all Crimean Tatar people can be called “

So now, maybe not immediately, but it offers scope for large-scale repression against the whole of the Crimean Tatar people.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Eider Muzhdabaev believes that the international community is powerless to help the Crimean Tatars.

Eider Muzhdabaev: The international community can not do anything other than allegations. In general, none of the Crimean Tatars is not acting, except a tiny group of conscientious people in Russia. It will, of course, to the massive repression against the Crimean Tatars. And most importantly – to the atmosphere of total fear. Already, people are on the phone talking very cautiously, afraid to say an extra word. I know the atmosphere among the Crimean Tatars – it is terrible, this atmosphere of insecurity, injustice, in the 30s.

They should completely suppress the Crimean Tatar people, to destroy it as an entity, leave it only as a screen, to in some celebrations people trained tray pasties and kissed portraits of Putin. They also understand that the Crimean Tatars will never put up with this, will never recognize the results of the illegal conduct and fraudulent, shameful referendum in which 97 percent of the allegedly favored the Crimea joining Russia. Of course, this is complete nonsense. Crimean Tatars in general on this referendum did not go. And these results could not be. But the Crimean Tatars – is the main piece of evidence in the case of the illegal annexation of Crimea. And this evidence, of course, must be destroyed. To be neither heard nor seen the Crimean Tatars to all feared. Now they will threaten, so people who can not live in this atmosphere will leave.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: And it likely that in this way almost all the people outlawed?

Valery Khomyakov:It turns out so. At least that is what we are now seeing, and events that do not bring the Lord, will be developed in this way. Crimean Tatar – now more than banderovets from Western Ukraine. And their stooges sitting in the Crimea. That will be, I think, the supply of our “great” promoters, which are now the subject of the Crimean Tatar people can grasp and apply them as “corrupt hirelings Ukrainian, Kiev junta West, the State Department and all the rest.” We have seen this in other examples. And unfortunately, nothing good about it for ordinary citizens of Russia. Because once it ends. And the desire of the machine, which consumes (or trying to eat) all dissent and all those people who believe that we shall make a great stupidity on the Crimea – on this machine will devour the people already in Moscow, as it is done.

But I ask another question: what does it do its proponents? Well, all the people in prison will not plant, in which Stalin was convinced: tried – failed. Hitler tried to do – also failed. Someone thinks that Putin will succeed? No, it will not work. Sooner or later, this story will end, and the reputation of our country in view of the fact that leadership behaves … I do not think this is the Kremlin’s decision. I think it has matured into a beautiful head of Mrs. Poklonsky, which has, in my opinion, even the generals began. Its rapid political rise, it is now almost the most popular man in Russia. I would place Mr Chaika bother for the armchair. With such prospects it can safely move to the Big Dmitrovka, where the Prosecutor General’s Office. Well, you can not go on about the ambitions, let the pretty and young ladies in the form of public prosecutor. The damage is much higher.

Do not you put down the Crimean Tatar people, for all your wish. I repeat, it is in the genes of these people – resistance. Stalin raised their lives, and some post-Soviet. I remember when it all started. Then Crimea Yuriy Meshkov was president, and Sergei Tsekov, in my opinion, was the chairman of the Supreme Council.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: A Prime Minister was, in my opinion, an economist Yevgeny Saburov.

Valery Khomyakov: I remember those times, since then has been one of the leaders of the “Democratic Party of Russia.” Many have tried to meet with Nikolai Travkin, then leader, and he sent them to me, “Yuri Meshkov come talk to him.” I say, “Who is this?” – “President of the Crimea.” I do not remember, I met with him or not, A S Tsekovym exactly met. And then he drew me a terrible picture that returned Crimean Tatars, trying to seize the land. But they are not trying to take away, they just want to go back to where they were illegally rounded up in due time. By the way, it is, I believe, was, perhaps, one of those people with whom he started. And then I went to the then Supreme Council and, apparently, tried to cry out: “Help us now! We are the Crimean Tatars to places sleeves protect us.!”

This myth in the early ’90s seriously affected some of our politicians. Maybe even some Boris Yeltsin, who could call Mr. Kravchuk and say, “You there is not very much .. Help, and we are now you’ll have such autonomy in the Crimea!” There are a bunch of contradictions and partly inexperience then Russian authorities. Maybe you can forgive her for what was then the Russian Federation was not to the Crimea. But if you rewind the tape back, probably could find a common language with the then leadership of the Crimea, which is a short time, thank God, sat, and find some digestible formula to Crimean Tatars received their national autonomy on the Crimean peninsula. Do not go for it. As a result, the disease persists, it is not resolved.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: And what progress has been made during the democratization? I know that it was possible to create a number of schools in the Crimean Tatar language, a little restore land rights. How did you begin this process, which seems to go positive?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I would like to say about the fact that the idea of the ban could not be born with Putin, and the head of Madame Poklonsky. This is absolutely wrong. Madame Poklonskaya, the stories of many – is the girl with the intellect Vosmiklassnica. Actually, it is possible to trace how it is sometimes speaks without notes. Immediately we can understand with whom we are dealing. It will not make a step without having to not get instructions from Moscow. The main force in the occupied Crimea – is the FSB. There’s enough clicks, or pointers – and she will run to where she will say. Therefore overestimate the role of Madame hardly worth it.

And one wonders: why do such nonsense? In particular, the Russian leadership is not only banned the Majlis. If we proceed from the interests of the Russian Federation, then do come to the Crimea was a great folly, like the rest of the war with Ukraine. This damage, in my opinion, no one would be able to inflict. And now, in the West say straight out that it was not yet the head of the country, which would bring so much harm to the state in the history of Russia.

And to answer your question. We all went very hard and was not easy in Ukraine. Not because Ukraine as a whole does not want to solve our problems, just we had very different political forces … Here a conglomerate. We have all the time in the election supported the democratic forces. A democratic forces almost never been in power, except for a few short periods. The main power on the territory of the autonomy was in the Russian-speaking hands of pro-Russian majority. Now it is the majority of the occupants waited on. We had a very large land problems. Crimean Tatars, despite the fact that they were somewhere in the 14 percent of the population of the peninsula, in the structures of power, depending on what that structure – takes from zero to 2.5-3 percent. That is discrimination in their homeland – in 4-5 times. For example, in the Security Service, which was 2 thousand 300 workers – was not one of the Crimean Tatars. The prosecutor’s office – a few tenths of a percent. Not a single judge. That is, such a structure.

Nevertheless, Ukraine – a democratic state, and it was possible to somehow defend their rights. With great difficulty we gradually defend them. 14 percent of Crimean Tatars with great difficulty in the native language to open 14 schools, and ethnic Ukrainians are not so organized, and although they made up 23-25 ​​percent of the population of the peninsula – they have 7 schools. It all depended on how active we were. We helped our organization. And the land problems. Poklonskaya now saying: “Over the years, the Majlis has not solved the problems of land of the Crimean Tatars.” Allow me, as if in the Majlis had some opportunity to give orders and to allocate land! Majlis only organized protests demanding the allocation of land. And thank God, at least something we wanted. But it was still in the hands of the authorities,

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Eider Muzhdabaev noted that the mood of depressed people in the Crimea.

Eider Muzhdabaev: In this situation, the Crimean Tatars were probably only at the time of deportation, when any soldier could poke their butt, shoot at anyone, and so on. You can not even be an activist – it does not matter. You can not like a neighbor, a colleague, your store may not like competitor – all have nothing. You – Crimean Tatar, and that’s enough to you to write a denunciation.

Even in this regard, there is a social problem. The fact that there will be processes that we are well familiar with Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union under Stalin, when from people who may fall under the repression will be shy, like lepers. And as for all the Crimea it is obvious that all Crimean Tatars may potentially become victims of repression, with the Crimean Tatars will be less talk; they will speak to their children not to go to visit them, will be a little talk, be treated like a leper. Because you communicate today with Crimean Tatar, and tomorrow he will be a “terrorist”.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: In Bulgaria and in some republics of Yugoslavia was a special process slavyanizatsii. All Turkic names changed to Slavic to somehow dilute the nationality, the memory of the Turkish rule. Can the Kremlin to organize something like this and against the Crimean Tatars?

Valery Khomyakov:In our country, it is difficult something is to believe. You never know what will come to mind to some minister. To prove his loyalty, he can come up with anything. I would not want to come to this. And so the cones stuffed himself, many in Europe and elsewhere twist finger to his temple, when they look at the policy of our state. I hope, to this still will not come, but attempts can be. Do zealous officials who want to make a political career, no less “shiny” than Madame Poklonsky that nobody knew two years ago, and now she was almost to the State Duma met, even without primaries. I think maybe it would be nice … his political career in the State Duma few people did. I saw Aleksandr Ivanovich Lebed walked, when he became a State Duma deputy, he was not interesting to anyone. And Mrs. Poklonskaya. Maybe there will be more tolerant person, but this is not our problem.

As for the possibilities and attempts russify this part of the Crimean Tatars, who for various reasons, have begun to cooperate with the authorities … I remind you that there is one Crimean Tatar, in my opinion, the vice-premier in the government of Crimea. Well, people went to work – but for God’s sake! But if you work it, work for the benefit, including the Crimean Tatar people. What he likes this kind of action? On the prohibition of the Mejlis, he probably could have done a little more demonstrative step and get away from the Crimean management. Looks like guts.

I still see this blatant stupidity attempt to split the Crimean Tatars into several pieces. And we, ordinary citizens, through the famous canals and show in certain programs that they’re all here for Putin for the Kremlin, for its multi-ethnic, peaceful policy as they used to say. And that there is some fringe represented by the Mejlis, Mr. Cemil, Chubarov and other people who are not already in the Crimea, unfortunately, they were forced to leave – were driven from their homes of people … To this we must be prepared in including the heads of the Mejlis. A organization, I think you can always come up with a different form. Especially Muzhdabaev quite correctly noted – is not in the Ministry of Justice of the registration of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people. There is no such organization. How can you deny what is not ?! So, people can come up with some form of so

Поэтому тут приходится, видимо, достаточно непросто жителям Крыма, которые считают себя крымскими татарами. Мы это видели по другим тенденциям, которые очень четко просматриваются в нашей внутренней политике. Но я не понимаю руководство России. Им-то это зачем? Что, мало шишек вы набили? Вы хотите поссориться с исламским миром окончательно и бесповоротно? Тут бед натворили, а потом надо бежать в Саудовскую Аравию: “Ребята, давайте сократим объем нефти”. Вы чего-нибудь одно выбирайте, в конце концов. Сколько можно эту глупость смотреть?! Я давно живу на белом свете, видел всяких руководителей, и глупости у них тоже были. Но были какие-то рациональные зерна в поведении. А здесь я не вижу рациональности. Одна иррациональность, одни эмоции, одно желание угодить верховному царю. А дальше что? Хоть бы на шаг вперед посмотрели, что дальше будет.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Even Stalin’s executioners had the good sense to leave one of the hero of the Crimean Tatar people – the pilot Amet-Khan Sultan. And then he died a mysterious death. And now almost all dealt with moral authority. After all, no one can go back to their homeland.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Stalin had not had the sense to leave Amet-Khan Sultan in Crimea. At that time he lived in Moscow. And in accordance with the law, since he twice Hero of the Soviet Union, he placed the bust and was told that he could live. But he said: “What should I do there?” And he is not moved to the Crimea.

And the prospect of Russification of the settlements of the Crimea. This has been done by Stalin. There russify nothing. All Russian already there. I think that in the near future Ukraine will pass a law on the restoration of the historical place names. Already in terms decommunisation somewhere in 67 settlements of the Crimea renamed. And on all maps of the world will be the names of those villages, which will be adopted by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine. Because legally Crimea is part of the Ukrainian state.

And about the moral authorities. Russian practice was initially “buy” Majlis. This was caused by an invitation to me to Moscow. Somewhere in 35-40 minutes we were on the phone with Mr. Putin said on this subject. Mountain promises we happily alive in the Russian Federation. But when that did not work, when we said that first print its troops from our territory, but if you want to assist, then sit down at the negotiating table with our guide – even then, of course, the atmosphere changed. And the tactic was, of course, to evict people who, from their point of view can affect the mood of the people, to lead any protest movement. And indeed it is now Russia’s policy is to ensure that displace the Crimean Tatars, as it was during the time of the first occupation of the reign of Catherine II. Then, too, they were deported, robbed land. As a result, many Crimean Tatars left their lands and moved to the Ottoman Empire. Now in Turkey where some 10 times more of the Crimean Tatars, than in the Crimea. And now this policy continues.

There are facts of kidnapping and murder. We follow, whom they kidnapped and murdered. It is not only the activists of the national movement. People have the impression that no one is guaranteed. And not only the facts of murders are not investigated – it is used as a bargaining chip. For example, when questioned by some of the members of the Majlis, or an activist of the national movement in the current Crimea, if he keeps with dignity, say to him: “Are not you afraid to become a” ischeznoventsem “Or:” Are not you afraid that tomorrow your children may disappear? “the practice is that even when Stalin was not done Yes, under Stalin dissidents killed, shot, but to openly say.” Tomorrow your children will disappear, if you behave this way “- is rarely practiced now revived all. most gloomy, it was under the Soviet regime.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Journalist Eider Muzhdabaev struck by the indifference of the Russian society.

Eider Muzhdabaev: I am struck by the passivity of the Russian society, which is already itself is on the verge of total repression. I am struck by the indifference of the Russian public, including the so-called liberal. I have all these strikes and sad surprise. It seems to me, no lessons were not learned. And just as the liberal Germans calmly looked at the beginning of repression against the Jews when Jewish organizations were forbidden, when only was the first voice that “Jews do us harm, we let it close, ban”, many were silent. And many journalists are silent, many public figures were silent. Why this silence led – can not remember. I think that here the silence that creates Russia with the Crimean Tatars, I regard as a sign of agreement with this policy. This stunning cowardice, which can not be explained by anything,

Vladimir Kara-Murza, Sr.: The website of the Human Rights Council under the President Nikolai Svanidze just plucked up courage and asked about the disappearance of the Crimean Tatars. It has been 9 people by the time it was last fall. And no one else has raised this issue with the authorities, with the Kremlin.

Valery Khomyakov: Unfortunately, it is. So it turns out that either it is not interesting to anyone of those people, journalists and human rights, or they go about their business, and they do not care about the Crimean Tatars.

I thought that’s what connection with our theme. It seems to be calm Republic of Tatarstan in the national plan. Although in the early 90’s there all the seething, and no less than in Chechnya. And only thanks to the Shaimiev could somehow prevent the explosion. Until recently. But recently I heard the news on one of the radio channels: Vsetatarsky community center (quite nationalistic) long statement currently no resemblance, and then decided to give some object Russian name. And now starting to raise the question of what we need to give the name Tatar.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Station Kazan subway, they want to rename.

Valery Khomyakov:Maybe it’s not so bad, but the fact that such an attitude to the citizens or to those organizations who are Muslims who allegedly considered Russian territory, according to the Crimea, our government and the majority of society, may wittingly or unwittingly encourage nationalist currents in the republics where Islam dominates. I would very much like to be wrong, but I fear that such a danger can arise. It is this: “You insult our there, so then let’s call a subway station, but not so.” And nationalism – this thing is so, it arises out of nothing, from scratch, it would seem. And that seems to be now seems peaceful enough, whether in Tatarstan and other republics … Sometimes the spark is enough to blazed that we observe between Armenia and Azerbaijan, and God forbid, if I was right. But I think,

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Mustafa, I know that you do not recognize territorial changes that have occurred over the past two years. Who would you help to influence the situation? Maybe, the Moscow Helsinki Group? Or are you still be equal to the Ukrainian human rights activists?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: First, about Tatarstan. Tatarstan would like to put forward as a mediator. In the early days of the occupation, President of Tatarstan Minnikhanov obscene often came to the Crimea to persuade us that now we will be together with the Russian Federation. A power saw that there was no sense of that mediation, not even harm some … Because somehow become Tatar envoys from Tatarstan reason is not entirely wrong when he explained that this position is not acceptable to us, and them removed. And now there are visitors from Tatarstan virtually none. Basically right now visitors – it is the FSB.

Возникает вопрос: как защитить права крымских татар? Я об этом говорил и в Страсбурге, в Парламентской Ассамблее Совета Европы, в Совете Безопасности 18 марта. Защитить права крымских татар в оккупационном состоянии невозможно. Потому что в Российском государстве отсутствуют демократические свободы. И в оккупированных территориях они, конечно, не будут создавать какой-то демократический анклав. Поэтому единственный путь защиты наших прав – приложить все усилия для того, чтобы агрессор, оккупант покинул нашу территорию. Другого выхода я просто не вижу.

Of course, we are grateful to Kasyanov, who recently said that Crimea one way or another will be returned. And then I called from Moscow and said: “Why do you rely on this Kasyanov In the elections he gets no more than 7-8 percent of the vote?”. I say: “It’s great here is such propaganda, as if all the Russians – that!” Quilted jackets “Still 7-8 percent of normal people you have.”. And thank God, at least some have a layer that understands what’s what, guided by the interests of the people, and not some kind of chauvinistic ambitions. But, of course, sadly, that most glad that they have such a manual bandit that it snapped off part of the territory of another country. It’s very sad. It’s tragic and disastrous for Russia. This occupation, no one will ever admit. In Crimea, there is no prospect not only for the Crimean Tatar people, but also for the entire population. It will be subsidized, decaying region. Even Russian economists have estimated that every year include the Crimea, even in such a depressed state, as now, will cost the Russian budget in the $ 4-5 billion. Therefore, the only way – is the restoration of international law and the maintenance of invaders from our territory.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Can you recognize the jurisdiction of the Strasbourg Court of Human Rights and PACE? Or you do not want to admit that your rights are now being violated on the territory of Russia?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Of course, we treat and will appeal. There is a decision of the Strasbourg Court on specific issues. But Russia is not fulfilling them. It does not fulfill even its own legislation. For example, the prohibition of the Majlis. The accusation is made up of 650 pages – it’s mostly excerpts from my speeches, Chubarov and other members of the Majlis that we do not recognize the occupation, we demand the withdrawal of foreign troops from our territory. And for this reason they say that we are encroaching on the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation and the Russian Federation poses a threat to security. So, the process is not over, not yet read the so-called decision of the court, and the Ministry of Justice has introduced Majlis in its list of banned extremist organizations. Where is the logic here? And recently, it was decided that Russia can not implement the decisions of international courts, including the European Court of Human Rights if they are contrary to the interests of Russia. So what the hell you were then to the European Council ?! There was a duty that you will comply with the decisions of the European Council and the European Court. Well, there is no logic. And we recognize and will recognize the judgments of the European Court.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Yes, the Constitutional Court did not accept to be able to vote to prisoners.

And how many of your like-minded people are now prisoners in Russian prisons?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: In total we have 13 members. There are three categories of prisoners. One category – it is for religious reasons. While there is nothing extremist they did not commit, they only found some literature, a Russian point of view – banned, extremist. The second group – those who met me May 3, 2014. It turns out that they illegally crossed the border. From the point of view of international law it is not a border. They moved from one part of Ukraine in the other. As a result, they have had clashes with riot police.

A third category, in which the sitting and the first deputy of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people Ahtem Chiygoz – this meeting February 26, 2014, before the so-called annexation, before the occupation, to the so-called referendum. The Crimean Tatars were against the attempts of the separatist forces in Crimea joining Russia. Here is the February 26 rally, they are regarded as unauthorized and illegal. And that, on 26 February we had to take permission to hold a rally? They act in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, and there did not have to take permission to hold rallies. Here on such absurd accusations is now Ahtemu Chiygozu faces from 15 and up to 20 years in prison. They believe that he organized a rally against annexation to Russia.

And most importantly – the situation of terror. In total, up to the end of last year was, in my opinion, more than 200 searches in homes, schools, mosques of the Crimean Tatars. 95-96 percent – it searches in the homes and in the schools of the Crimean Tatars.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: We expect that once again will be denied and the Day of memory of victims of deportation. Some hotheads think they can ban and Pushkin’s poem “The Fountain of Bakhchisarai” and mention of the Giray dynasty.

Sourse, 27/04/2016

In Crimea, the situation of fear prevails, the feeling of complete vulnerability to arbitrary

August 22, 2015

Mustafa Dzhemilev, the People’s Deputy of Ukraine, leader of the Crimean Tatar people for many is an example. The man who broke into the ordeal and did not buy generous promises. It is compulsory in their promises and consistent actions. Now, when the Crimea was in the Russian occupation, Mustafa-aga is making for the liberation of their motherland more effort than the Foreign Ministry and other government institutions of Ukraine, together.

Mustafa Dzhemilev in a conversation with “Internet” spoke about his international activities and relations with the Russian justice. He expressed his views on the law that declared annexed Crimea free economic zone and promised that if the corruption loophole is closed, he and his supporters would block the road to the Crimea, on which ride the wagon with food and other goods for the occupants.

– Mr. Cemil, now, when Crimea was annexed by the Russians, where your family lives?

– In Bakhchisarai. I live there my wife and son.

– How often do you see them and how to keep in touch?

– Not very often. Last time my wife and I traveled together in Ankara on Congress. She silent fears often leave the Crimea – the logic of the current Crimean authorities can not understand them at any time may not be allowed back. And there – family, friends, home, elderly mother. In addition, the exit of any national of Crimea is perceived very painfully and disapproval. Like, I invite all to suffer and not to leave the Crimea, while they themselves were taken away their relatives!

– Relatives in the Crimea received Russian passports?

– My wife – no, for it is fundamentally, and daughter also did not get, so it is fired from his job at the Tauride University. But the vast majority of Crimean residents still have to get these passports, because without them there to live virtually impossible – not to seek medical help, or get a job, or to issue the property nor any bureaucratic issues can not be solved without Russian documents.

– What has changed in their reviews are now living in the Crimea?

– Everything they say that in the Crimea is now reigns atmosphere of fear, a feeling of complete vulnerability to tyranny. Even on holidays, at weddings do not have the joy that was before. People are afraid to talk to each other. The social position of the people, with the exception of the military, police and government officials, also deteriorated significantly – reducing wages, reducing purchasing power, high cost, long queues in hospitals, etc. And angry, too, is strictly prohibited, it is only necessary to express joy over the “return” of the Crimea to Russia.

– Even among the Crimean Tatars are afraid to be frank?

– there was a lot of snitches. Yes, and listening devices around them stuffed.

– The Russian authorities are blackmailing you your son. What do they offer you?

– Once in August last year, one of the advisers of the Russian president was Kiev and said that Vladimir Vladimirovich wanted to talk back to me, I said that we can only meet in Kiev, because I was denied entry to Russia. I replied that if I would agree to a meeting, then, depending on what the results will be achieved on it, my son the next day will be at home, and I can safely travel to the Crimea. To this I said to him: “That is Vladimir Vladimirovich is holding my son hostage So he’s a terrorist You tell him that we do not conduct negotiations with terrorists?”.

After it went my statement to the press, he called me and complained that I was about the confidentiality clause told the media. And I say, “So you do not make me indecent proposals”. Now this advisor, apparently for something that does not cope with the task, it is very far distant from Putin.

– What fate awaits Now your son?

– He was sentenced to five years in prison for manslaughter. By all the laws, including the Russian, he should be handed over to Ukraine, because the event took place in the territory of Ukraine, and the victim, and my son, too, are the Ukrainian citizens. My son’s lawyer in court talking about the illegality and illegitimacy of such actions. There is also a decision of the European Court of Human Rights that he be extradited, but Russia is not considered with the verdict and did not even respond to our Ministry of Foreign Affairs requests.

My wife also gave readings there. The court, by the way, took place in Krasnodar, Krasnodar, and in addition the prosecutor at the trial was attended by 2 Prosecutor of Crimea. They also asked some questions that my wife said, “I’m on the question of traitors who have violated the oath of his country, do not answer.”

But the jury – it is, in my opinion, one of those units that the Putin regime is not able to control. Both my wife and daughter said that by the jury to him felt some sympathy. When everything came out of the courtroom, one of the women, the jury wished them: “May God give you good luck!”

– Mustafa-aga, what, in your opinion, Ukraine should pursue a policy in relation to the occupied Crimea? And how do you assess the Law “On free economic zones”, according to which Crimea declared a territory?

– On the topic of the law, I have repeatedly talked with the President and the Prime Minister. This is absurd: the occupied territory are declared free economic zone. Yes, to maintain communication with the peninsula, to ensure movement of citizens need. But our power is all done vice versa – are all sorts of obstacles at the entrance and the entrance to the Crimea with Ukrainian passports of people, representatives of the Diaspora, and to carry loads kilometers of queues trucks that follow almost without any checks.

We even conducted an experiment: sent to a person abroad, he comes to customs with the question as to whether they help hold the wagon, not figuring out what cargo it carries. “$ 500, – says he – and another 500 will have to give the border guards.” As a result, a bargain for a total of $ 800. Without checking, pay – and take me what you want!

All this talk, they say, there live our fellow citizens, they can not be left without food – it is the purest nonsense, it does not care about the citizens, if 90% of imported products in the Crimea and then moves on to Russia. But even that, what remains is primarily for the supply of military units. The shops, of course, also is part.

Without doubt, the main supplier of products to the peninsula – it is Ukraine, and if we do not supply them, where prices rise sharply. Russia will have to diversify the supplies, delivering goods by aircraft and ferries, but they will cost several times more expensive. But we continue to carefully feed the invaders and protect the Russian treasury of additional costs.

– What you said the president of the law on SEZs?

– During our last conversation with him, I said that we will block these columns trucks and special no objection.

And the Cabinet is now drawn up a list of goods that can be passed and in what amount. Also planned to establish hubs in the Kherson region – ie, large markets, where the inhabitants of the Crimea will come to buy food.

– It will be convenient for residents of the Crimea, living close to the border with Kherson region. Others, perhaps, will be expensive to travel?

– They do not care it will cost is 2-2.5 times cheaper than buying products in the Crimea. There will be sold not only products, but also construction materials – cement, crushed stone, etc. for individual use, which are now imported from Ukraine in the Crimea as a free economic zone. But the large-scale importation of trucks these materials to the Crimea, which are used in the construction of landfills for Russian missile systems for nuclear base, which is now settling for Kyzyltash, should not be.

– Mustafa-aga, you Simferopol was a charity fund “Krim”. At the moment he was arrested by the Russian authorities?

– First, they said that the Fund can not function because its founder is a foreign national, that is me. they have made themselves a foreigner. Foundation staff compromised and expelled me from its composition, although the statute is not written that I am the founder, as it is based the decision of the National Congress (Kurultai), and members of his administration also appointed by decision of the National Congress, and I, as chairman of the Majlis, of course, was the president of the Foundation.

The Russian authorities, who came to the Crimea, blocked the activity of the Foundation, and all that belongs to the Fund, and therefore the Majlis – buildings, offices – were arrested.

Moreover, all these assets were purchased by us and is privately owned. For example, building on the street. Schmidt 2 in Simferopol, which is considered an architectural monument, was bought by us many years ago, 40 or 45 thousand. Dollars.

All work carried out to repair the building, should be consistent with the architecture of the Committee. So, apart from the fact that the seizure of property was imposed due to the fact that I – “foreign” citizens, even house arrest because without the consent of the Russian architectural department repair of the roof was carried out there. This is so stupid … Are roof repairs should have been in the Ukrainian Crimea negotiate with Moscow? Well, if you would not have made the repair, then certainly he would have seized because “architectural monument” resulted in a state of neglect.

– That is the repair of the roof was carried out prior to the occupation, and the claims presented to you now?

– Of course. In fact of all the absurd.

– Yes, the Russians in the Crimea does not cease to amaze. Mustafa-aga, you filed suit in Moscow’s Basmanny Court to invalidate the decision of the Federal Migration Service to ban the entry you in Crimea. Why Moscow court?

– The lawsuit filed in the Basmanny Court lawyer, Mark Feigin, which protects our Hope Savchenko. Moreover, not in the hope of obtaining a fair judgment on the abolition of the ban arrogant, but to at least find out – what authority and who is hated this decision.

After all, in our hands is not a single document, where it would say something about the ban. I have in the cordon with Crimea on April 19 last year, just read out the paper on which there was no signature, no seal. The lawsuit was to determine who still ruled the ban. In theory, it was supposed to make the Federal Migration Service, but they say they do not do that. Even information on the prohibition of entry I have on the website of the Military Prosecutor’s Office, but also without specifying who took this decision. There is only a kind of justification for the ban – say, represent a threat to the territorial integrity and security of Russia.

And there are even more voluminous document authorship Crimean prosecutor’s office, in which he explained what I bad person, are gleaned from the Internet “anti-Russian” quotes from my interviews and stuff.

So at the trial it became clear that a decision on me took out the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation, even though it does not fit into the Russian legislation, because it is the prerogative of the Federal Service for Migration. But the document with the FSB, too, so no one has presented. Now we have moved to the next stage of the story, it will conclude that now Mark Feigin is preparing documents for the ECHR.

– And why you turned to Russian lawyer?

– To find out what and where it came from in this case, it is necessary in the territory of Russia. Who is going to file a lawsuit with the ECHR – I or Feigin – whether it is necessary that documents of all levels were collected in Russia. That’s it, Mark does.

– What do you think, whether Ukraine should demand compensation from Russia for the assets in the Crimea? And it will not look as if we sell the Crimea?

– Payment shall be required for damages, for all that they have destroyed, taken away. And it’s time to force this point through the international courts to bring lawsuits Russia, and since it will not pay, then seize the property of Russia abroad. We are late with this case, and “YUKOS” Mihaila Hodorkovskogo, for example, won a lawsuit against the US $ 50 billion and now slowly begins to take the Russian property in some countries. The litigation lasted a long time and this was not easy, but in the “Yukos’ former shareholders eventually won. And here the situation is more obvious than that there – there is a violation not only of the economic rights, and international.

– Mustafa-aga, the decree of President of Ukraine you are appointed by the Commissioner of the Crimean Tatar people. Tell me, how we internally displaced persons from the Crimea?

– Displaced we mainly engaged in charity Crimea-SOS and representative of the UN High Commissariat for Refugees Ukraine, who led Oldrich Andrusek.

Cadence it was over, but instead wanted to appoint a former GDRovskogo Komsomolets, who has close ties with Russia. Our Foreign Ministry is justified objected to his candidacy and now representative of the High Commissioner, as it were, without the boss.

Check with great precision of movement of the inhabitants of the peninsula is impossible. But last year Andrusek said that moved about 10 thousand people, half of them – the Crimean Tatars. Who receives information about 21 000 and about 35 thousand. Slightly more than half of all internally displaced persons from the Crimea up the Crimean Tatars, because for them there is the greatest pressure.

– any cases of human rights violations you have fixed in the Crimea, both in terms of the Crimean Tatars, and the rest of the population. And how do you respond to them?

– We can not control everything, but now we already are building a network of correspondents all over the Crimea. This thing is very expensive and dangerous, because there is shadowing the Russian special services delivered at a high level. We collect information on the lines of the Mejlis also created their own network Crimean News Agency with the center in Kiev and ATR channel.

– What we have today in Ukraine there are programs, projects for the return of the Crimea under the jurisdiction of Ukraine?

– a detailed strategy for the return of the Crimea we do not have. But I expressed my opinion, it is that the military way of Crimea return is not possible, it was necessary to shoot at the beginning, and now, according to various estimates, the peninsula is concentrated from 60 to 80 thousand Russian troops, all dispersed weapons, tanks, missiles. There is also evidence that in Kyzyltash near Yalta restore the nuclear facilities and were seen cars, which have the symbol, a warning about nuclear dangers. But the “Topol”, “Iskander”, “SS-20”, which can carry nuclear weapons, there already is. And in the case of a military conflict, if, God forbid, it will explode even one nuclear warhead, it can be a disaster not only for the Crimea, the whole of Ukraine and Russia, but also for the whole of Europe. In a word,

I believe that the main strategy for the Crimea – sanctions. Therefore, the World Congress of Crimean Tatars, which discussed the issue of Crimea, addressed to the whole world and to the Turkish Government to join the sanctions.

The Russians, of course, very nervous about the Congress, they had set up in the Crimea its Sabbath forcibly assembled state employees, and on their behalf made an appeal to Erdogan that he would not allow the Congress. But Erdogan has not only ensured the smooth conduct of the Congress, but also addressed the delegates with the message, where he said that Turkey will never recognize the occupation and will always strive to restore the territorial integrity of Ukraine, called Crimean Tatars continue their struggle for the liberation of Crimea from the Russian occupation . Around the same vein were the treatment and the Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu.

First, the Russian press gleefully reported that Erdogan “ignored”, did not come to our Congress. But he could not come, because these days, together with the Minister of Foreign Affairs visited Indonesia and Pakistan. The Prime Minister was not there in Ankara. But as soon as they returned to the country, then immediately and the prime minister and the president invited us to a meeting. After that, the tone of the Russian press has become a bilious and angry – both in relation to Erdogan, and in general to the international policy of Turkey.

– The Verkhovna Rada has a sectarian association “Crimea”. Who enters into it, and what do they do?

– No special results of work they do not have, and powers, in general, too, no no. MP Alexey Goncharenko suggested that I led the work of this association, but I refused, and then he himself became head of the group.

We’re talking about what we need to create in the Verkhovna Rada a separate Committee for Crimea and other occupied territories. This issue we will discuss in the near future with the Speaker of BP Vladimirom Groysmanom.

– And what in general there are international projects dealing with the problem of the Crimea?

– Who will be the return of the Crimea, if not ourselves? The international community is merely states that the annexation of the Crimea and the Russian invasion of the territory of Ukraine is illegal and does not recognize Crimea’s accession to Russia.

Penalties – it is their measure of influence on Russia. But the sanctions also affect the economies of those countries that have joined this list. For example, I was in Italy, where Berlusconi’s party and even some party “5 stars” comedian Beppe Grullo in favor of the abolition of the sanctions. This movement is in France. But thank God, these countries have not yet abolished the sanctions and unlikely to be canceled until the liberation of the Crimea, but the Russian secret services are working very hard in this respect – and bribe some politicians or organizations, snapping up even provincial newspapers in the European countries, to apply, as is the case with French delegation, traveling to the Crimea and meetings with the occupation authorities and then repeated their statements to the press that no one’s rights are not violated. Unfortunately, the corrupt and greedy for dirty money people everywhere suffice.

But independent international human rights organizations and the Russian authorities in Crimea is not allowed. Once allowed to enter the Turkish group of independent experts, apparently relying on their loyalty, as Turkey has not yet acceded to the sanctions. First was the question of how the delegation would be to get there: if in Moscow, it will be a violation of Ukrainian sovereignty, if in Kiev, then they were not allowed to Crimea. Then, in a conversation with Erdogan in Kyiv on March 20, I proposed a compromise, the delegation arrived in Kiev, and then went to Moscow and from there to Simferopol. Such an option all arranged, and our Ministry of Foreign Affairs also did not mind.

Following the visit to the Crimea a group of experts presented a report on 20 pages, which was a shock to the Russians, because it shows everything as it really is. After that no uncontrolled Russian mission to the Crimea is no longer allowed. We wish to operate through Russian human rights organizations, but they also create a lot of obstacles to their activities in the Crimea – and delay, and check. I am talking about Russian human rights defenders from the group of dissident hardening – Lyudmile Alekseevoy, for example.

– Mustafa-aga, tell us about your trip to Poland for the presentation of the Solidarity Award. You, as far as I know, offered other nominees for the award?

– The award was given to the daughter of Boris Nemtsov – Jeanne. I, as the first winner of this award, had the right to nominate, and the first name that came to mind then, of course, was Boris Nemtsov – a fearless fighter against the regime, against the occupation of the Crimea, and Russia’s war against Ukraine. Which, by the way, and he knew about it he said at a meeting with me in Kiev, that it was likely soon be killed. But the Polish Solidarity Prize as the Nobel not awarded posthumously. So I made the candidacy of Alexander Podrabinek, who fearlessly fought against the Soviet regime, he spent many years in prisons, camps and exile, and now as hard struggles with the Putin regime. I mentioned this in his speech at the ceremony in Warsaw Award on 6 August.

All nominated candidates were many, about 20 people of European, Asian and African countries, and all of them mentioned in a separate film, which was shown at the ceremony.

Out of all the nominations the jury chose Zhannu Nemtsovu – the daughter of Boris Nemtsov, a courageous and talented journalist who after the death of his father, too, was forced to leave Russia, and works on the radio “Deutsche Welle”. By the way, she said that a significant portion of the premium received will give the families of our “Heavenly hundred”, “Boris Nemtsov Fund” to continue his father’s business, the Crimean Tatar TV channel ATR-in-exile, which is the “bastion of freedom on the peninsula of speech and objective news about the situation” and other charitable projects in Ukraine.

Interviewed by Natalia Kondratieva

Sourse, 21/08/2015

Crimea is not yours

December 3, 2014

In the program “Face-to-event” to “Radio Liberty” – an interview with the leader of the Crimean Tatar people, MP of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Mustafa Dzhemilev about what happened and is happening in Russia annexed Crimea.

Conversations at the international conference in Wroclaw memory of the poet Natalia Gorbanevskaya .

Mikhail Sokolov: Conference “Against war and violence.” Which was held November 29 and 30 in Poland in Wroclaw, it was dedicated to the memory of the poet and human rights activist Natalia Gorbanevskaya, one of the eight people who came to Red Square August 25, 1968, in protest against the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia. Participated in policy discussions, human rights activists, historians, writers from Russia, Ukraine, Poland, the protesters in Red Square in 1968. Pavel Litvinov and Viktor Feinberg. The leader of the Crimean Tatar people Mustafa Dzhemilev spoke about Natalia Gorbanevskaya.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Dear friends, colleagues. A year as dead Natalia Gorbanevskaya. But we, the old dissidents, while we are still alive, perhaps we should talk about Natalia Gorbanevskaya. This is very important, because such people always lacked, then and now, and not to be missed in the future tense.

Already the first document, which was signed by the initiative group – it would appeal to the United Nations Commission on Human Rights, where there were 15 signatures of members of the initiative group, which spoke about the main crimes of the Soviet regime in the field of human rights, including mention of the struggle of the Crimean Tatar people to return to their homeland, about lawlessness of the Soviet authorities. It was one of the first documents, which allowed to bring the Crimean Tatar problem, the problem of the deported people to return to their historical homeland of the world community.

Arrest Natalia Gorbanevskaya very painful blow to the initiative of our group. Because a major role in the collection of materials, drafting, correcting and even many of the documents, which were issued by the initiative group of human rights, Natalia played Gorbanevskaya. There are these words: “And the good and evil – all die, so better to let the good we will remember.” Natalia Gorbanevskaya one of those people who will remember for a long time.

Mikhail Sokolov: “Poetry Natalia Gorbanevskaya inherits Russian civic poetry, with its idealism, the idea of ​​man as a being, longing for justice, sacrifice and unselfish,” – said Grigory Yavlinsky. But, of course, the focus was not only poetry, but also the problems of human rights, ideals that were important for Natalia Gorbanevskaya, were central to her life.

The son of Natalia Gorbanevskaya – Jaroslav urged the authorities of Western countries demand that the Russian release of all political prisoners.

Jaroslav Gorbanevsky: Today I am in Wroclaw on the anniversary of my mother’s memory, which stands for your freedom and ours. For the freedom of all, in particular, for freedom of political prisoners. If we celebrate the memorial of her reward with something or just remember, just honestly could say: It stands for freedom, let us do as well as she did. We love her, we honor it, let’s do what she would have asked us to do. So today I asked Poland to those whose words at the official level is important, with a request: say three sentences, speaking officially, openly, publicly, tell those three phrases to release Russian prisoners.

Mikhail Sokolov: “Polish society is one in relation to assessment of the events in Ukraine and the aggression against it”, – said the president of the Polish Institute of National Remembrance Lukasz Kaminski. The famous Polish sociologist and translator of Adam Pomorsky believes that Putin managed to just a year to destroy what happened in Europe in the last quarter of a century.

At an international conference in Wroclaw, a resolution was adopted with the assessment of what is happening in Russia and Ukraine:

“We, the participants of the international conference” Days of memory Natali Gorbanevskoy “urge the Russian people do not support a regime that leads to disaster.

We appeal to the governments and citizens of the free world: do not throw the Ukraine alone. Stop Russian aggression.

We, friends and colleagues Natali Gorbanevskoy, appeal to the governments and citizens of the free world: ask the Russian authorities to release all political prisoners. “

The resolution is very important, – says human rights activist and historian Alexander Daniel:

At the international conference “Against war and violence” in the center of attention and was the Crimean Tatar issue.

About what is happening in the Crimea, now in the “Face-to-event”, we talk with the leader of the Crimean Tatar human rights movement, a deputy of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Mustafa Dzhemilev.

Mustafa, I would like to start a little distance in the same sense as were the relations of the Crimean Tatar people with the Ukrainian authorities in Crimea. Because today on this topic a lot of different fantasies, talk about what you and discriminated against in Ukraine. Like going back?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Definitely, that any coherent policy of the Ukrainian state system against the Crimean Tatar people as an indigenous people of the peninsula, was not. Yes, Ukraine has declared that it recognizes the illegal deportation of the Crimean Tatars, has committed itself to solve all the social and legal problems of the Crimean Tatar people. In practice, it has done very little. We, the Crimean Tatars did not return what was illegally taken away.

On the one hand this is understandable. What to do with, say, the people who live in our homes. The state in this respect, has said that it is the best of its capabilities will solve social problems through the provision of the budget year in accordance with their capabilities, but stood minuscule, it did not cover a tenth of what is needed, not even was the fact income taxes, which was obtained in the Crimean Tatars working.

In general, the attitude of the Ukrainian establishment to the Crimean Tatars was such as to the voters. Upcoming elections, they proceed from the fact that the Crimean Tatars have consolidated electorate, the vast majority decision of its highest representative body of the Mejlis, the Kurultai, therefore, agreed with Parliament to the effect that we support them in the elections, and if they win, introduce some of its passage list one or two, depending on the capabilities of this political party, our representatives.

But Majlis has its basic principles. For example, even if the Communist Party offered us their entire list to give, we would not have voted. We have always supported the principle of national-democratic forces, they usually do not come to power. There was one case when Yushchenko was president, the party came to power. Then they began discord, they not only failed to fulfill the promises against the Crimean Tatars, but also generally in relation to other voters, too.

Worse it was the part of those who came to power. They are, as a rule, relied on in Russian, chauvinistic electorate. To us it was, at least, indifference, hostility under Yanukovych. Accordingly, the problem is not solved. If the Crimean Tatars in the autonomy is 14%, then in the structures, as we shall find in the local or regional elections executive, representative government depended places, and in the executive power structure the percentage of Crimean Tatars did not exceed 2.5-3%, that is discrimination 4-5. Accordingly, no other problems were solved. Not because Ukraine was chauvinistic, great-approach to the Crimean Tatars. Due, in particular, the fact that the Crimea – is a region where the vast majority are ethnic Russian, who moved primarily, more than 80%

The stereotype, which was implemented for decades, that drove away it is true that they are traitors, all of this favorably perceived by them, give peace of mind, as they took home, whom they sent to death, and then it turns out, it turns out, that they are bad. Here is the promotion lasted for many years, and it was passed down from generation to generation.

Mikhail Sokolov: Crimean authorities with those who led the executive branch, could agree, or they had a special respect for its Kiev, more rigid with respect to the Crimean Tatar people politics?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Definitely all, who heads the executive branch can not. Were more or less pragmatic, to the best of their abilities a little bit more far-sighted than towards others. The last prime minister of Mogilev, ardent chauvinist who in the press openly justified the deportation of Crimean Tatars, said it was the “fifth column”. What can you negotiate with them? Respectively had the chauvinistic policy. He fully supported, as well as his chief of Yanukovich, a pro-Russian on the Russian majority. In between, there were some people, such as the Prime Minister Kunitsyn or Speaker of the Verkhovna Rada Gritsenko, who understood that if you do not solve the problem of the Crimean Tatars, then this is the way to conflict, then they will not be able, and for ourselves to get something. That is a more pragmatic, more prone to the Crimean Tatars.

Mikhail Sokolov: Did you have any suggestions that might be organized in the Crimea coup with the participation of Russian law enforcement agencies, with the participation of Aksenov groups, and so on?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: For a long time, my view was that the current situation in Russia is unlikely to direct annexation, most likely Russia will always create tensions, create problems Ukraine to the fact that they could not create an independent policy. But the fact that so and will move its troops, chop off another part of the territory, in the twenty-first century, it seemed incredible. But after the 2008 Russian-Georgian war, I was probably one of the first, which opened in the press, in the newspaper “Day” said that next in line could be Ukraine. I even said so, that repeated a similar scenario. If, for example, in Georgia, South Ossetia and Abkhazia strenuously heard Russian passports, then about the same thing happens. I cited statistics on how much we have in the Crimea there is people who have Russian passports, analysis of the elections to the authorities of Russia. Sets the polling stations, and those who have Russian passports, vote. Based on the fact that it was not quite comfortable to come from one village to another in the elections, we did this offer and come to the conclusion that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel. who have Russian passports, vote. Based on the fact that it was not quite comfortable to come from one village to another in the elections, we did this offer and come to the conclusion that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel. who have Russian passports, vote. Based on the fact that it was not quite comfortable to come from one village to another in the elections, we did this offer and come to the conclusion that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel. that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel. that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel.

I also said that a serious threat to the security of Ukraine is the Black Sea fleet, so you should immediately proceed to the denunciation of the contract with Russia on the Black Sea Fleet. Although I suggest what may be the cost, what penalties, but the security interests should be paramount. Of course, to take a course to join the North Atlantic alliance.

But authorities did exactly the opposite. It was still under Yushchenko, and after a while came to power Yanukovych, it is not something to denounce, the term had come to an end in 2017, it extended for another 25 years under the pretext that Putin promised to reduce the price of gas at one hundred dollars per thousand cubic meters. This, in my view, was a real betrayal. No wonder at the statement, upon ratification of this treaty were just fights in the parliament. But the power they have, and they were able to push through it.

So later I saw an analytical report of the Security Service of the Crimea to his superiors in Kiev, where about my statement saying that the Majlis takes a provocative attitude, actions are aimed to spoil fraternal relations between the two countries. That is, we are provocateurs, because we want to withdraw the Black Sea Fleet.

Summing up, I want to say that there have been indications that this can happen, though not fully believe it. Moreover, that the head of state for a few months before, when he was asked the question, that, well, there is talk that the Russian claim to Crimea, how do you assess, it clearly states that this is nonsense, it’s nonsense, it provocation, we respect the state border of Ukraine, is coming up with different provocateurs. And suddenly this development. Arguments to justify this policy and the introduction of its troops on our territory, of course, does not stand up to scrutiny. The claims that if the Ukraine to establish a fascist regime, Bandera, that there almost chase through the streets and kill everyone who is not a fascist – it was such wildness directly posed on its head.

 with full responsibility that in all the years of Ukraine’s independence is now just after Independence and Revolution, established in all branches of government, the executive and the Cabinet of Ministers, the Verkhovna Rada most that eat the most democratic system of governance.

Please note though that we have parliamentary speaker with a typical Ukrainian surname Groisman, Interior Minister Avakian. There generally are not interested in the nationality of the one prescribed.

Such wild fancies as if created a threat to the Russian-speaking population in the regions, especially in the depths of Russia, who did not know that we have going on, it may be held.

Mikhail Sokolov: Still grouping Aksenov, what is it? You come across these people? They got 3 or 5% in the last election and now they are the real power.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Since 2009, they could not be heard on the political horizon, but in 2009 they created a group called “Russian unity”, this populist theme that Russian should unite to defend their rights. Pro-Russian rhetoric has been a lot of that is historical, but frankly, it is necessary to separate the Crimea from Ukraine and Russia attach to such slogans they had, but was clearly pro-Russian. We knew that he was very powerfully supported by a neighboring state, and not very successful, because it is a serious election votes are not typed. At the same time, it was known that this Aksenov named “Goblin” has managed to place in different power structures, primarily in the prosecutor’s office, his men, who defended them when they came across a not very nice things. But still, of course, governed from the Kremlin, Moscow, itself the Goblin could not do anything until you go to some order. All revolutions, it is no secret, it is not carried out “Russian unity”, and specific powers which belong to the Russian military.

Mikhail Sokolov: If we talk about the events of the beginning of the winter and spring, say, February, was there a real opportunity to confront once this coup, say, the same Crimean Tatars, who took to the streets, and then somehow disappeared from the streets?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I can say that for 100% could resist, if not for the intervention of the neighboring country. Because seized Parliament, the Council of Ministers of autonomy is not Russian bloc and the so-called “little green men” – a cadre people trained terrorists with all equipment. Therefore, it was not, someone who will overcome on the Crimean peninsula, there is dictated by external forces.

Mikhail Sokolov: It was not here for your mistakes? Demonstrations, in my opinion, continued for three days, then somehow were discontinued. If the demonstrations continued, maybe Putin does not want to take the risk?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Completely eliminate what you said, it is also impossible, this view has a right to exist. But as the events unfolded. What this rally going? To Parliament adopted the decision that they were motivated by the Kremlin, to accede to Russia. Accordingly, the Crimean Tatars were against. Failed. This is the 26th confrontation, they collected three or four thousand of his supporters brought up by buses from all edges, including Sevastopol. Crimean Tatars, there were three or four times more pushed.

The very next day the room occupied by terrorists. These terrorists have a pass allowed deputies at the entrance to the Parliament have seized mobile phones, in front of each stand when put to the vote, keep track of who like to vote, and like they scored either 56, or 57 votes, but there were only 46 votes, according to some reports. However, they declared that the deputies voted to join Russia. Even if it was 90%, still it is illegitimate.

What kind of parliament where the barrel behind you indicate how to vote. There are people, of course, can be and have been inclined to vote for certain decisions, but they are likely to vote when they will be paid, but not when forced to. There simply forced. Already carried out any actions aimed at the liberation of the occupied territories, it was obvious bloodshed. Also in Kiev, we were asked not to go, not to provoke, not to allow that Putin was a reason for the introduction of troops. There even was talk that preparing provocations that have had to find two or three dead Russian soldiers, of course, killed the Crimean Tatars, then start a campaign against the Crimean Tatars. We are seriously afraid of this and warned the press that there are our sources of information. They are the soldiers did not kill. Crimean Tatars,

Mikhail Sokolov: You can specify: Kiev – who is this? These people have families, and so on?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Then was the speaker of the Verkhovna Rada of Turchynov, Prime Minister Yatsenyuk. I’m not going to blame them, their order can be correctly and completely wrong. That’s right, if there really ready for something bloody, and they acted very humanely, saying he did not go out and do not lose their lives. And if this confidence was not simply give in to terrorists, to leave them unpunished, moreover, had the opportunity to neutralize them and do not do – is, of course, raises a number of questions as to why it was not done.

Mikhail Sokolov: I understand that at this stage the victims were just among the Crimean Tatars, a man was killed there. It was possible to find out what happened and who’s to blame him?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: It is not these days, later it was. March 3 area came Crimean Tatar, Ukrainian flag wrapped, said he was against the occupation, it was then in front of all the people was pushed into a car and drove away. Then a week later his body was found with signs of violence, tied with adhesive tape, to the naked eye it was clear that killed stabbed in the eye. The fact that this operation vykradyvaniyu human and murder carried out so-called “self-defense”, where all the thugs in the Crimea, we had no doubt. The fact that the FSB and then say that they can not identify, can not be established – is babbling. If YouTube can recognize who pushes him, the experts have been even more so. This concerns not only the first but also the subsequent vykradyvany people.

Mikhail Sokolov: We stayed on repression. The repression against the Crimean Tatars from the people who occupied the Crimea, they almost immediately started after the occupation?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: We have accurate information that the Russian political establishment had a dual attitude to the developments in Crimea and, in particular, in relation to the Crimean Tatars. Part of the establishment came from the fact that the Crimean Tatars have to agree, especially with Parliament, because the vast majority of Crimean Tatars are guided by the Majlis. This explains the invitation to Moscow for talks, the arrival of numerous delegations from Russia, Tatarstan, Bashkortostan, to negotiate with the Majlis of the Crimean Tatar people.

Mikhail Sokolov: We can remember how there was this type of negotiation process that they are offered to you?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: From the outset, they had prepared, and even adopted a draft resolution of the Verkhovna Rada of the Autonomous Republic, where Crimean Tatars 23% of guaranteed representation in all structures of power in all branches of government, including in parliament. That is allocated a quota under this quota choose themselves Crimean Tatars. The functioning of the Crimean Tatar language as one of the official on the territory of Crimea. Thirdly, the return of the Crimean Tatars, who were forced to lie outside of the Crimea. It was assumed that the measures will be taken public, including financial ones, in order to facilitate their return to the territory of Crimea. What will be restored historical place names of the Crimea – it is more than 1,200 settlements, which at one time after the deportation of the Crimean Tatars were Russified: Tank, Armored,

And most significant is that these people, who came to power and brought them, the “Goblin”, I mean Aksenov, who poison breathed in the Majlis, always stated that it is an illegal structure, so-and-so, all of a sudden in this decision stated that they will be officially recognized, the Crimean Tatar Kurultai and Majlis. That is, there was such a direct calculation that the Crimean Tatars to celebrate, to cling to these opportunities and say how happy they are to be in the Russian Federation. But this is not passed.

The upper hand in policy toward the Crimean Tatars began to occupy the “hawks”, who initially said that the Tatars Crimean impossible to negotiate, especially with Parliament, so you need to act only traditional exhaust not only in Soviet Russia, but also in pre-revolutionary methods separation of the Crimean Tatars into good and bad, the repression that, in fact, done.

Mikhail Sokolov: What kind of repression took place today?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Mass no arrests have massive searches under the pretext that they allegedly looking for weapons, in some cases, they say the drugs, although it seems absurd, with no data, they say, Behold, we are looking for drugs. Weapons, drugs, and the third, the most vulnerable – is the search for banned books. They made a list of forbidden books of more than 2600 titles, but this is an incomplete list.

We first talked about 40 searches the Crimean Tatars in their homes, mosques, schools, and they turned out to be much larger. Some houses were searched and immediately threatened that if someone knows about it, then let him think about the children. Closed searches were carried out mainly by so-called “self-defense”. They were taken during the search, not only as a traditional FSB conducts searches, seized computers, materials, they still grab that will attract them.

Mikhail Sokolov: “self-defense” forces – what is this? It’s illegal armed formation of Russian legislation?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Illegal, but they wanted to legalize, prepared a draft resolution, it is volunteers who are patriotic reasons.

Mikhail Sokolov: Type the terrorists?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: The guards did not have guns, and they – and their body armor and equipment, machines, all they have.

Mikhail Sokolov: So it’s actually a gang. What quantity of these gangs?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Hard to say, a few hundred. To my mind. May 3, when I do not miss, Aksenov issued the call to gather all the members of groups “self-defense”, wherever they were, they say, is about to start a war with the Crimean Tatars.

Mikhail Sokolov: On May 3. As I understand it, when you did not miss, people have been trying somehow to express his opinion, the demonstration carried out now, as I understand it, are repression, searches and arrests?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: yesterday reported that the arrested four people accused in the case that he had illegally crossed the state border between the Crimea and Ukraine, from the point of view of international law is absurd, at 100%, you can be sure that the European Court of Human Rights is do not recognize.

They formed the gang mainly of so-called Cossacks, former gebistov who were werewolves, who served in the Security Service of Ukraine, but among them there are those who have never been in the Crimea, so to speak softer.

They basically do the dirty work, they are not an independent force. I am absolutely certain that if the central Russian government was interested in the fact that they were not idle, then so be it was. We have the impression that this was done deliberately in order to intimidate people, to force ourselves to leave the territory of Crimea.

Mikhail Sokolov: The case of the third, as I understand it, is used in the same spirit as the “swamp thing” in Russia, to intimidate people. Are there any prospects that it can grow?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: expanding, looking to what extent. If it’s a bloody showdown, the Majlis will make every effort, that it was not, because it would mean the death of our people.

Mikhail Sokolov: If even a few dozen people arrested?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: There are different options. They came to me people who said that we are also able to easily steal them. I said that we can not go on this way, we are not terrorists, we are not going to steal one. That is, I come to a standstill, it is difficult to answer unequivocally. When your rights are harshly suppressed, bullied, whether it is necessary to respond with violence? It seems to be logical, to your land came the soldiers of another country, dictates the rules, he put on you bastards, that humiliate your dignity. Exit what? Well, war, shot one, two, three, they are the same in a few hours, especially now, when the trap snapped shut, no were not allowed there, without any witnesses, can do anything you want, and then press to declare that the Crimean Tatars fought among themselves, the different clans killed themselves.

Mikhail Sokolov: So you are for non-violent resistance?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I would not say in the absolute non-violent. We have on this subject often appeared that there is no alternative. If the armed forces should adhere to the principle of nonviolence, why do they need, what machines, which should never shoot? In the military department has its own standard of behavior should have been, it may be there, but it was not observed. According to various estimates, there were about 14,000 armed forces on the territory of Crimea. Conditions in order to participate in the war, not what win any concessions to get their rights – it was unreal.

Mikhail Sokolov: We often hear that Ukraine has made a mistake, if it had at least a minimal resistance in the Crimea, there would be no hike Strelkova in Donbass and other actions.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: we have a lot to discuss on this topic. Arguments such that, say, guided by humane considerations, not to dying people. Why then keep the army? Who wants to come, chop off, which you need to territory. For the military is not an argument, not to resist.

This is largely demoralized in some way, and those citizens who remained in the Crimea loyal to their state. They were amazed at how this is so, a weapon that is bought at the expense of the taxpayers, just as the aggressor. There are other reasons, it turns out, did not want to provoke, like people did not die.

Mikhail Sokolov: As a result, they do not die in the Crimea and the Donbas.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: And die in the Crimea.

Mikhail Sokolov: What is the current economic situation in the Crimea, according to your data? What is happening and what is going on with the same Crimean Tatars, still they are in the agricultural sector is largely involved?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: None agriculture or tourism, which was one of the main sources of income in the Crimea, now do not have to say, because who wants to relax in the occupied territory, besides not go any traffic reports, no planes, no boats.

Mikhail Sokolov: prices are rising?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: prices are rising, but the Russian government has raised some salaries and pensions, too. By many indicators that tell me this in some way compensates for the fact that prices have risen. Therefore, the money received would like a little more, but also have to spend more on the same products. This is one.

Secondly, the threat to agriculture. It’s no secret that more than 80% of water, including irrigation purpose water comes from the mainland. If you block the water, and she was partially blocked because something is destroyed, then the autonomous republic no other way to try to solve to get water from underground sources, and use this water to irrigate the land – it’s just a crime, causing great environmental damage . But with no other choice, they do it. They have caused great damage to the ecology of the Crimea is due to the fact that the drilled, fetched water to watered.

Mikhail Sokolov: Say, can we say that Crimea is an economic blockade on the part of Ukraine after the adoption of the law on the occupied territories?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: No there is no blockade. Even we have information that the time since the occupation of the Crimean port of call in 69 vehicles.

Mikhail Sokolov: It is almost a year?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: If we assume that in March-April to date. I say 69 because the number was exactly in the list of names of ships that call at ports of Crimea, Attorney General of illegal crossing of the territory, including entering our territorial waters.

Mikhail Sokolov: The ships do not come legally, agriculture in poor condition, and people than live?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Most jobs servicing the military complex. They launched a very large military preparations. Yesterday came from the Crimea, said that a huge amount of cement being taken, where used to be a nuclear repository, all signs want to restore it.

Across the road the Crimea build, is clearly not in order to make people comfortable, and for military purposes, especially in the northern parts. Openly say that military action will begin soon on the border between the Crimea and Kherson area. Due to this, in the main.

In this situation, the Crimean Tatars is very difficult. Because if you’re doing a job that serves the military, you have to give the oath of allegiance to Russia. Someone in desperation goes for it. At this very well speculate Russian media, be sure to remove, will be shown on the Internet, how to swear allegiance to Russia.

Mikhail Sokolov: The bridge will be built in the Crimea, do you think? Something that will change fundamentally?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Regarding the construction of the bridge, at the time it was engaged and Hitler did not succeed. Maybe if I exert some effort. But this bridge is illegal because it has to be agreed with the Ukrainian government.

Mikhail Sokolov: What do you propose to do now Crimean Tatars, you – the leader of the Majlis, you are on the territory of Ukraine, you home is not allowed, and what do the people who were left?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: It’s hard sitting in Kiev, give instructions, from our point of view, the most correct. People there are very hard. Of course, we’d love to have one of the Crimean Tatars did not take Russian citizenship, so they boycotted. But this is impossible, impossible. Would that they are empty of peace, but the resistance of rallies, demonstrations.

It also let to mass arrests, top kills. Therefore, we stick to the traditional way – non-violent resistance, defending their dignity. This is not entirely successful, because there is such a massive pressure, such as never was under Soviet rule.

Mikhail Sokolov: There collaborators?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: A Frenchman once said: if some people do not drug addicts, prostitutes, traitors, what kind of a nation? Of course, there will probably be. The main thing is that their number was not some sort of critical mass.

I can say that with this case from the Russian occupation authorities is very great difficulties. Yes, they recruit someone, put on some positions, while at the same time do spit, they say that there is nobody behind them, their people despise, arms not served. Keep what you have. Of course there will, probably.

Mikhail Sokolov: Do you regret that in Tatarstan President Putin failed to agree somehow or the other way around, which is not declared him a tougher stance?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I without offense, but said its tough stance. When Putin said that to solve all the problems of the Crimean Tatars, I did not refuse this aid, of course, Russia is responsible for the situation in which we find ourselves. We were a part of Russia, when we were deported. Be so kind as to solve issues following the withdrawal of your troops from our territory. Decide at the negotiating table with our guidance. And to ensure that these negotiations take place, again, you need to withdraw its troops. Putin, too, thought that if the mountain to promise things, the more given that the Crimean Tatars and the Ukrainian authorities were in the same position, for some reason they hoped that we easily persuaded. Since this did not happen, they are focused on their traditional methods – repression, attempts to split and so on.

Mikhail Sokolov: What will you do in the Verkhovna Rada is now, in the new structure?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I have always said and say that alone solve the problem of the Crimean Tatars without reference to the problems of the whole of Ukraine is impossible. Of course, we will strive to a sharp improvement in the economic situation in Ukraine, strengthening defense capabilities. Because that’s exactly what if our defenses were not in such a catastrophic situation, as in recent years our President Yanukovych, Putin would hardly have brought their troops.

Of course, we will work a lot at the international level, because the Western countries should fulfill their commitments. Even it’s not that they were concerned about Ukrainians and Crimean Tatars, everyone has their own interests. Because if you close your eyes to this international robbery in the XXI century – is the way to a very large disaster.

Mikhail Sokolov: “Our country is in danger tanks in a strange land” – these words said to the invasion of Czechoslovakia by Russian poet Alexander Galich. Today, the Russians have the right to repeat these words.

Today, the Russian tanks again in a strange land, people today again imprisoned, because they are fighting for freedom. It is a threat to all of us. For our freedom and yours!

Sourse, 02/12/2014

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Crimean Tatars: the nation’s tragedy

April 28, 2016

Ban the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people has strongly condemned the US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland. Speaking April 27 during his visit to Kiev, she stressed that this outrageous decision violates the democratic rights of the entire “historical community.”

The EU called the ban the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people, a serious attack on the rights of the Crimean Tatars and evidence of further deterioration of the human rights situation in Russia annexed Crimea. This is stated in the statement of the European External Action Service.

“It is necessary without delay to ensure full compliance with international standards of human rights and other obligations under international law, in particular, in this case in relation to the Crimean Tatars community”, – the statement says.

April 26 Russian-controlled Crimea Supreme Court acknowledged Majlis extremist organization and banned its activities on Russian territory. Thus I was satisfied the claim of the Crimean prosecutor Natalia Poklonsky, which accused the Majlis in the anti-Russian activities.

Tragic history and current problems of the Crimean Tatar people to discuss politics Mustafa Dzhemilev (Kyiv), the political analyst Valery Khomyakov , the journalist Eider Muzhdabaev (Kiev).

Moderator – Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior .

Vladimir Kara-Murza, Sr.: The EU called the ban the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people, a serious attack on the rights of the Crimean Tatars and evidence of further deterioration of the human rights situation in Russia annexed Crimea.

On Tuesday, the Russian-controlled Crimea Supreme Court recognized the Majlis extremist organization and banned its activities on Russian territory. Thus, the request Natalia Poklonsky, Crimean prosecutor was satisfied that the Majlis has accused of anti-Russian activities.

Tragic history and current problems of the Crimean Tatars, we will discuss with our guest – political analyst Valeriem Homyakovym.

Valery, whether offensive to all the people the motivation to deport him because they collaborated with the German occupiers?

Valery Khomyakov:This is an old story. Of course, in every nation, including in Russian, in the war years were, to put it mildly, the traitors, collaborators. They were also among the Chechen people, and among the Crimean Tatars. But because of this, should not suffer the nations as a whole. And here we are seeing a massive attempt to present the enemy all the Crimean Tatar people – as well as others, in particular Kalmyks … I lived as a child in the Altai region, and I had a friend – Kalmyk, who was with his family to get evicted. This happened a long time ago. And when allowed, they returned to Kalmykia. Here the story is more tragic because the Crimean Tatars were able to return to the Crimea alone, in my opinion, in the late ’80s, under Gorbachev, if I do not get them mixed up. Of course, it is an insult. To them in everyday life looked upon as some traitors, fascist hirelings. All this affects the relationship of the Crimean Tatars in the circles in which they lived. This Stalinist attempt to present the people as their enemies of the fatherland, of course, terrible.

Unfortunately, what we are seeing is, in part looks like this, including the recent decision of which you have said. Although it was preceded by a lengthy process. It is not easy to feed Mrs. Poklonsky all it appeared. After the Crimea was annexed to the Russian Federation, as far as I know, we were set up parallel to the Crimean Tatar structure. They created three for two years, – sworn allegiance to Moscow to agree with everything. And creates an illusion: think of it, the Majlis – the body established at the time the Kurultai, and in fact all Crimean Tatars rallied around the governor of the Kremlin in the Crimea – Mr. Aksenov.

На мой взгляд, дело обстоит не так. Подобного рода вещи практиковались, практикуются и будут практиковаться. Что, на мой взгляд, не приводит к тем результатам, которые замышляли их инициаторы. Расколоть крымский народ не удастся. Были отдельные люди, которые в годы войны сотрудничали с немецкими оккупантами, и сейчас есть нечто подобное. Но в целом крымский народ, как мне кажется, един в своем желании сохранить свою самобытность, свои обычаи. Он един в желании не подвергаться давлению из Москвы, из Киева или еще откуда-то. Это закаленные люди. В генах этих людей – стремление сохранить свое достоинство. А сейчас мы видим попытки растоптать это достоинство – попытки крайне неуклюжие, о чем достаточно справедливо заметил Евросоюз.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: We connected Mustafa Dzhemilev, the former Soviet political prisoner, leader of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people, MP of the Verkhovna Rada.

Mustafa, held true whether the rehabilitation of the Crimean Tatars after Stalin’s deportation?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: No Ukraine deported Crimean Tatars and the Soviet Union. Therefore, it was the adoption of the law on the restoration of political and social rights of the Crimean Tatar people. The Ukrainian parliament has been quite a lot of forces that resist it – pro-Russian forces, the Communists. It was not possible. But after the occupation, somewhere this law was passed in the 20 days of March. There clearly is called deportation as a crime against humanity, and adopted a series of measures aimed at restoring. But time has been lost. This law should have been taken long ago.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: And who of Russian dissidents and human rights activists fought along with you for the restoration of the rights of your people? Everyone remembers the fate of General Grigorenko. What was this man?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Our national movement was democratic, so it attracted the sympathy of many human rights defenders, enlightened people. Among the Russian intelligentsia, one of the first who spoke out in defense of the rights of the Crimean Tatar people was writer Aleksey Kosterin. He drew attention to this problem General Pyotr Grigorenko. By the time he was a political prisoner. And somewhere in the 66-year, in my opinion, he is actively involved in our national movement. You could say he was one of the authorities. In those days in the homes of the Crimean Tatars could often be seen portraits are not only veterans of the national movement, but Petra Grigorenko. Indeed, it was a very brave man who did everything in his power. He has made an invaluable contribution to our national movement, and primarily in the promotion,

And it must be said about Sakharov, who was connected to the issue later, but he was also very effective in its activities in support of our national movement.

If we follow the trials of the national movement activists, among them there were a lot of Russian, Ukrainian, Baltic defenders who in one way or another in contact with the national movement of the Crimean Tatars, and expressed to him the solidarity support. And you’re right: Pyotr Grigorenko – it is the brightest figure in our national movement.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: recently filmed a feature film about the tragedy of your people. But it is still not allowed on the Russian screen. Remind them that it is for the film, and why he has such a hard fate rolling.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: This is the first and only feature film on the subject. Our entrepreneur to finance it. It is called “Haytarma”. Haytarma – is a dance, but then “Haytarma” – a return to his homeland. The film speaks of deportation. According to some estimates, something softened. A pro-Russian people say it shows too cruel. From our point of view, the film turned out to be very successful.

And Russia is reviving the Stalinist regime, at least – in the occupied Crimea. And any films, books exposing the Soviet government policies perceived as an insult to the Russian people and the Russian Federation.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Valery, after the deportation of only two people not been restored statehood – a Volga Germans and Crimean Tatars. Why Khrushchev was afraid to return to their statehood?

Valery Khomyakov: Hard to say, because of what is happening. There are many cities in the Saratov region, where the Volga Germans lived before the war was a republic of the Volga Germans. Apparently, the Soviet Union then leaders feared would create a kind of enclave that is because of their dissatisfaction with the fact that they were driven at the time from their homes, to create a structure that can be “total maverick.”

Chechens and Kalmyks returned to their land, gained statehood, at least, that they now have in the form of republics within the Russian Federation. But the Crimean Tatars and Volga Germans fate was more tragic. Many Germans have left their historical homeland, because the law of the Federal Republic of Germany, ethnic German is actually considered to be a citizen of the Federal Republic of Germany. A Crimean Tatars go particularly nowhere. Someone went to a variety of reasons, but mostly they are somehow tied to the land where they were born. Crimea for the Crimean Tatars – this is the Promised Land, they were born there, and much earlier, than there came the Russian troops. This distinguishes the fate of the Volga Germans from the fate of the Crimean Tatars, which, unfortunately, is not so happy as we would like.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Let’s listen to a journalist Eider Muzhdabaeva, deputy director general of the Crimean Tatar TV channel the ATR, which believes that the ban Majlis almost impossible.

Eider Muzhdabaev: prohibitions against the Majlis – a symbolic act, since it is impossible to ban the Mejlis, because he was never officially registered. This Crimean Tatar self-government, which is almost 30 years old. Therefore, the ban in formal terms is negligible.

And with the actual point of view, this means not ban the Mejlis, and the fact that they facilitate the process itself of repression against the Crimean Tatars. That is no longer necessary to prove fictitious guilt – some phony terrorism, which they can not nobody “sew” in the Crimea for two years looking for weapons and explosives in their homes, but nothing, of course, can not be found. Will not need to ascribe any other illegal actions – mass disorders, which are trying to concoct criminal cases, the reason for that, too, of course, was not. All this bogus charges. They are tired of this formality, as in his time Stalin NKVDshniki tired of the first trials. So they then came up with the “troika” and the people began to quickly judge and destroy the plant. The same purpose, there are in the decision. Accused of involvement in the Majlis of Crimean Tatar can be any. Now, any book with a portrait of Cemil will be the basis for the Russian court. Gates for mass repressions opened.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Mustafa, remind, please, what was the statutory objectives of the Mejlis, speaking bureaucratic language? For which he was created?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: It is the representative body of the Crimean Tatar people, which defends the rights of the Crimean Tatars in local government, that is to promote and co-operation with the authorities to solve our problems, as well as to represent Crimean Tatars at the international level. Before ’91, when it was created our first Kurultai and Majlis elected, we can say that a full representative of the Crimean Tatar people was the National Movement of Crimean Tatars. A 89-year – The organization of the Crimean Tatar national movement.

And in the run-up of the Soviet Union, when there was a “restructuring”, it was possible to hold elections – though not quite openly, but, nevertheless, there was such an opportunity – decided to establish a representative body of the Crimean Tatars, who is elected directly by the people, regardless whether it is involved in the national movement or not. And here on the principle of “one delegate to the national convention of thousands of people” across the Soviet Union, where Crimean Tatars lived, held elections of delegates. So, these delegates were chosen at the national congress of 250 people. He was called the Second National Congress, because the First National Congress was in the 17th year of its shot by the Bolsheviks. And the National Congress elected by ballot 33 human members of the Majlis for five years – is the executive body of the Kurultai of the Crimean Tatar people. But this is the tip of the iceberg.

Then came the elections of local and regional Mejlis in all the places of residence of the Crimean Tatars. Thus, the last elections were in 2012, at the time of the occupation of the Crimea were about 230 local and regional majlis, which involved a total of 2 000 300 people. Therefore, when we speak of the prohibition of the Majlis – is not only a ban on 33 persons, but also the entire system of the national government of the Crimean Tatar people. That is only 2 thousand 300 local and regional members of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people, the Kurultai delegates in total – somewhere in the 2.5 thousand people. In accordance with the logic of the Russian law they are called extremists. And the one who helps or elect these “extremists” – is also a kind of “extremists.” And it turns out that almost all Crimean Tatar people can be called “

So now, maybe not immediately, but it offers scope for large-scale repression against the whole of the Crimean Tatar people.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Eider Muzhdabaev believes that the international community is powerless to help the Crimean Tatars.

Eider Muzhdabaev: The international community can not do anything other than allegations. In general, none of the Crimean Tatars is not acting, except a tiny group of conscientious people in Russia. It will, of course, to the massive repression against the Crimean Tatars. And most importantly – to the atmosphere of total fear. Already, people are on the phone talking very cautiously, afraid to say an extra word. I know the atmosphere among the Crimean Tatars – it is terrible, this atmosphere of insecurity, injustice, in the 30s.

They should completely suppress the Crimean Tatar people, to destroy it as an entity, leave it only as a screen, to in some celebrations people trained tray pasties and kissed portraits of Putin. They also understand that the Crimean Tatars will never put up with this, will never recognize the results of the illegal conduct and fraudulent, shameful referendum in which 97 percent of the allegedly favored the Crimea joining Russia. Of course, this is complete nonsense. Crimean Tatars in general on this referendum did not go. And these results could not be. But the Crimean Tatars – is the main piece of evidence in the case of the illegal annexation of Crimea. And this evidence, of course, must be destroyed. To be neither heard nor seen the Crimean Tatars to all feared. Now they will threaten, so people who can not live in this atmosphere will leave.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: And it likely that in this way almost all the people outlawed?

Valery Khomyakov:It turns out so. At least that is what we are now seeing, and events that do not bring the Lord, will be developed in this way. Crimean Tatar – now more than banderovets from Western Ukraine. And their stooges sitting in the Crimea. That will be, I think, the supply of our “great” promoters, which are now the subject of the Crimean Tatar people can grasp and apply them as “corrupt hirelings Ukrainian, Kiev junta West, the State Department and all the rest.” We have seen this in other examples. And unfortunately, nothing good about it for ordinary citizens of Russia. Because once it ends. And the desire of the machine, which consumes (or trying to eat) all dissent and all those people who believe that we shall make a great stupidity on the Crimea – on this machine will devour the people already in Moscow, as it is done.

But I ask another question: what does it do its proponents? Well, all the people in prison will not plant, in which Stalin was convinced: tried – failed. Hitler tried to do – also failed. Someone thinks that Putin will succeed? No, it will not work. Sooner or later, this story will end, and the reputation of our country in view of the fact that leadership behaves … I do not think this is the Kremlin’s decision. I think it has matured into a beautiful head of Mrs. Poklonsky, which has, in my opinion, even the generals began. Its rapid political rise, it is now almost the most popular man in Russia. I would place Mr Chaika bother for the armchair. With such prospects it can safely move to the Big Dmitrovka, where the Prosecutor General’s Office. Well, you can not go on about the ambitions, let the pretty and young ladies in the form of public prosecutor. The damage is much higher.

Do not you put down the Crimean Tatar people, for all your wish. I repeat, it is in the genes of these people – resistance. Stalin raised their lives, and some post-Soviet. I remember when it all started. Then Crimea Yuriy Meshkov was president, and Sergei Tsekov, in my opinion, was the chairman of the Supreme Council.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: A Prime Minister was, in my opinion, an economist Yevgeny Saburov.

Valery Khomyakov: I remember those times, since then has been one of the leaders of the “Democratic Party of Russia.” Many have tried to meet with Nikolai Travkin, then leader, and he sent them to me, “Yuri Meshkov come talk to him.” I say, “Who is this?” – “President of the Crimea.” I do not remember, I met with him or not, A S Tsekovym exactly met. And then he drew me a terrible picture that returned Crimean Tatars, trying to seize the land. But they are not trying to take away, they just want to go back to where they were illegally rounded up in due time. By the way, it is, I believe, was, perhaps, one of those people with whom he started. And then I went to the then Supreme Council and, apparently, tried to cry out: “Help us now! We are the Crimean Tatars to places sleeves protect us.!”

This myth in the early ’90s seriously affected some of our politicians. Maybe even some Boris Yeltsin, who could call Mr. Kravchuk and say, “You there is not very much .. Help, and we are now you’ll have such autonomy in the Crimea!” There are a bunch of contradictions and partly inexperience then Russian authorities. Maybe you can forgive her for what was then the Russian Federation was not to the Crimea. But if you rewind the tape back, probably could find a common language with the then leadership of the Crimea, which is a short time, thank God, sat, and find some digestible formula to Crimean Tatars received their national autonomy on the Crimean peninsula. Do not go for it. As a result, the disease persists, it is not resolved.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: And what progress has been made during the democratization? I know that it was possible to create a number of schools in the Crimean Tatar language, a little restore land rights. How did you begin this process, which seems to go positive?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I would like to say about the fact that the idea of the ban could not be born with Putin, and the head of Madame Poklonsky. This is absolutely wrong. Madame Poklonskaya, the stories of many – is the girl with the intellect Vosmiklassnica. Actually, it is possible to trace how it is sometimes speaks without notes. Immediately we can understand with whom we are dealing. It will not make a step without having to not get instructions from Moscow. The main force in the occupied Crimea – is the FSB. There’s enough clicks, or pointers – and she will run to where she will say. Therefore overestimate the role of Madame hardly worth it.

And one wonders: why do such nonsense? In particular, the Russian leadership is not only banned the Majlis. If we proceed from the interests of the Russian Federation, then do come to the Crimea was a great folly, like the rest of the war with Ukraine. This damage, in my opinion, no one would be able to inflict. And now, in the West say straight out that it was not yet the head of the country, which would bring so much harm to the state in the history of Russia.

And to answer your question. We all went very hard and was not easy in Ukraine. Not because Ukraine as a whole does not want to solve our problems, just we had very different political forces … Here a conglomerate. We have all the time in the election supported the democratic forces. A democratic forces almost never been in power, except for a few short periods. The main power on the territory of the autonomy was in the Russian-speaking hands of pro-Russian majority. Now it is the majority of the occupants waited on. We had a very large land problems. Crimean Tatars, despite the fact that they were somewhere in the 14 percent of the population of the peninsula, in the structures of power, depending on what that structure – takes from zero to 2.5-3 percent. That is discrimination in their homeland – in 4-5 times. For example, in the Security Service, which was 2 thousand 300 workers – was not one of the Crimean Tatars. The prosecutor’s office – a few tenths of a percent. Not a single judge. That is, such a structure.

Nevertheless, Ukraine – a democratic state, and it was possible to somehow defend their rights. With great difficulty we gradually defend them. 14 percent of Crimean Tatars with great difficulty in the native language to open 14 schools, and ethnic Ukrainians are not so organized, and although they made up 23-25 ​​percent of the population of the peninsula – they have 7 schools. It all depended on how active we were. We helped our organization. And the land problems. Poklonskaya now saying: “Over the years, the Majlis has not solved the problems of land of the Crimean Tatars.” Allow me, as if in the Majlis had some opportunity to give orders and to allocate land! Majlis only organized protests demanding the allocation of land. And thank God, at least something we wanted. But it was still in the hands of the authorities,

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Eider Muzhdabaev noted that the mood of depressed people in the Crimea.

Eider Muzhdabaev: In this situation, the Crimean Tatars were probably only at the time of deportation, when any soldier could poke their butt, shoot at anyone, and so on. You can not even be an activist – it does not matter. You can not like a neighbor, a colleague, your store may not like competitor – all have nothing. You – Crimean Tatar, and that’s enough to you to write a denunciation.

Even in this regard, there is a social problem. The fact that there will be processes that we are well familiar with Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union under Stalin, when from people who may fall under the repression will be shy, like lepers. And as for all the Crimea it is obvious that all Crimean Tatars may potentially become victims of repression, with the Crimean Tatars will be less talk; they will speak to their children not to go to visit them, will be a little talk, be treated like a leper. Because you communicate today with Crimean Tatar, and tomorrow he will be a “terrorist”.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: In Bulgaria and in some republics of Yugoslavia was a special process slavyanizatsii. All Turkic names changed to Slavic to somehow dilute the nationality, the memory of the Turkish rule. Can the Kremlin to organize something like this and against the Crimean Tatars?

Valery Khomyakov:In our country, it is difficult something is to believe. You never know what will come to mind to some minister. To prove his loyalty, he can come up with anything. I would not want to come to this. And so the cones stuffed himself, many in Europe and elsewhere twist finger to his temple, when they look at the policy of our state. I hope, to this still will not come, but attempts can be. Do zealous officials who want to make a political career, no less “shiny” than Madame Poklonsky that nobody knew two years ago, and now she was almost to the State Duma met, even without primaries. I think maybe it would be nice … his political career in the State Duma few people did. I saw Aleksandr Ivanovich Lebed walked, when he became a State Duma deputy, he was not interesting to anyone. And Mrs. Poklonskaya. Maybe there will be more tolerant person, but this is not our problem.

As for the possibilities and attempts russify this part of the Crimean Tatars, who for various reasons, have begun to cooperate with the authorities … I remind you that there is one Crimean Tatar, in my opinion, the vice-premier in the government of Crimea. Well, people went to work – but for God’s sake! But if you work it, work for the benefit, including the Crimean Tatar people. What he likes this kind of action? On the prohibition of the Mejlis, he probably could have done a little more demonstrative step and get away from the Crimean management. Looks like guts.

I still see this blatant stupidity attempt to split the Crimean Tatars into several pieces. And we, ordinary citizens, through the famous canals and show in certain programs that they’re all here for Putin for the Kremlin, for its multi-ethnic, peaceful policy as they used to say. And that there is some fringe represented by the Mejlis, Mr. Cemil, Chubarov and other people who are not already in the Crimea, unfortunately, they were forced to leave – were driven from their homes of people … To this we must be prepared in including the heads of the Mejlis. A organization, I think you can always come up with a different form. Especially Muzhdabaev quite correctly noted – is not in the Ministry of Justice of the registration of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people. There is no such organization. How can you deny what is not ?! So, people can come up with some form of so

Поэтому тут приходится, видимо, достаточно непросто жителям Крыма, которые считают себя крымскими татарами. Мы это видели по другим тенденциям, которые очень четко просматриваются в нашей внутренней политике. Но я не понимаю руководство России. Им-то это зачем? Что, мало шишек вы набили? Вы хотите поссориться с исламским миром окончательно и бесповоротно? Тут бед натворили, а потом надо бежать в Саудовскую Аравию: “Ребята, давайте сократим объем нефти”. Вы чего-нибудь одно выбирайте, в конце концов. Сколько можно эту глупость смотреть?! Я давно живу на белом свете, видел всяких руководителей, и глупости у них тоже были. Но были какие-то рациональные зерна в поведении. А здесь я не вижу рациональности. Одна иррациональность, одни эмоции, одно желание угодить верховному царю. А дальше что? Хоть бы на шаг вперед посмотрели, что дальше будет.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Even Stalin’s executioners had the good sense to leave one of the hero of the Crimean Tatar people – the pilot Amet-Khan Sultan. And then he died a mysterious death. And now almost all dealt with moral authority. After all, no one can go back to their homeland.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Stalin had not had the sense to leave Amet-Khan Sultan in Crimea. At that time he lived in Moscow. And in accordance with the law, since he twice Hero of the Soviet Union, he placed the bust and was told that he could live. But he said: “What should I do there?” And he is not moved to the Crimea.

And the prospect of Russification of the settlements of the Crimea. This has been done by Stalin. There russify nothing. All Russian already there. I think that in the near future Ukraine will pass a law on the restoration of the historical place names. Already in terms decommunisation somewhere in 67 settlements of the Crimea renamed. And on all maps of the world will be the names of those villages, which will be adopted by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine. Because legally Crimea is part of the Ukrainian state.

And about the moral authorities. Russian practice was initially “buy” Majlis. This was caused by an invitation to me to Moscow. Somewhere in 35-40 minutes we were on the phone with Mr. Putin said on this subject. Mountain promises we happily alive in the Russian Federation. But when that did not work, when we said that first print its troops from our territory, but if you want to assist, then sit down at the negotiating table with our guide – even then, of course, the atmosphere changed. And the tactic was, of course, to evict people who, from their point of view can affect the mood of the people, to lead any protest movement. And indeed it is now Russia’s policy is to ensure that displace the Crimean Tatars, as it was during the time of the first occupation of the reign of Catherine II. Then, too, they were deported, robbed land. As a result, many Crimean Tatars left their lands and moved to the Ottoman Empire. Now in Turkey where some 10 times more of the Crimean Tatars, than in the Crimea. And now this policy continues.

There are facts of kidnapping and murder. We follow, whom they kidnapped and murdered. It is not only the activists of the national movement. People have the impression that no one is guaranteed. And not only the facts of murders are not investigated – it is used as a bargaining chip. For example, when questioned by some of the members of the Majlis, or an activist of the national movement in the current Crimea, if he keeps with dignity, say to him: “Are not you afraid to become a” ischeznoventsem “Or:” Are not you afraid that tomorrow your children may disappear? “the practice is that even when Stalin was not done Yes, under Stalin dissidents killed, shot, but to openly say.” Tomorrow your children will disappear, if you behave this way “- is rarely practiced now revived all. most gloomy, it was under the Soviet regime.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Journalist Eider Muzhdabaev struck by the indifference of the Russian society.

Eider Muzhdabaev: I am struck by the passivity of the Russian society, which is already itself is on the verge of total repression. I am struck by the indifference of the Russian public, including the so-called liberal. I have all these strikes and sad surprise. It seems to me, no lessons were not learned. And just as the liberal Germans calmly looked at the beginning of repression against the Jews when Jewish organizations were forbidden, when only was the first voice that “Jews do us harm, we let it close, ban”, many were silent. And many journalists are silent, many public figures were silent. Why this silence led – can not remember. I think that here the silence that creates Russia with the Crimean Tatars, I regard as a sign of agreement with this policy. This stunning cowardice, which can not be explained by anything,

Vladimir Kara-Murza, Sr.: The website of the Human Rights Council under the President Nikolai Svanidze just plucked up courage and asked about the disappearance of the Crimean Tatars. It has been 9 people by the time it was last fall. And no one else has raised this issue with the authorities, with the Kremlin.

Valery Khomyakov: Unfortunately, it is. So it turns out that either it is not interesting to anyone of those people, journalists and human rights, or they go about their business, and they do not care about the Crimean Tatars.

I thought that’s what connection with our theme. It seems to be calm Republic of Tatarstan in the national plan. Although in the early 90’s there all the seething, and no less than in Chechnya. And only thanks to the Shaimiev could somehow prevent the explosion. Until recently. But recently I heard the news on one of the radio channels: Vsetatarsky community center (quite nationalistic) long statement currently no resemblance, and then decided to give some object Russian name. And now starting to raise the question of what we need to give the name Tatar.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Station Kazan subway, they want to rename.

Valery Khomyakov:Maybe it’s not so bad, but the fact that such an attitude to the citizens or to those organizations who are Muslims who allegedly considered Russian territory, according to the Crimea, our government and the majority of society, may wittingly or unwittingly encourage nationalist currents in the republics where Islam dominates. I would very much like to be wrong, but I fear that such a danger can arise. It is this: “You insult our there, so then let’s call a subway station, but not so.” And nationalism – this thing is so, it arises out of nothing, from scratch, it would seem. And that seems to be now seems peaceful enough, whether in Tatarstan and other republics … Sometimes the spark is enough to blazed that we observe between Armenia and Azerbaijan, and God forbid, if I was right. But I think,

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Mustafa, I know that you do not recognize territorial changes that have occurred over the past two years. Who would you help to influence the situation? Maybe, the Moscow Helsinki Group? Or are you still be equal to the Ukrainian human rights activists?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: First, about Tatarstan. Tatarstan would like to put forward as a mediator. In the early days of the occupation, President of Tatarstan Minnikhanov obscene often came to the Crimea to persuade us that now we will be together with the Russian Federation. A power saw that there was no sense of that mediation, not even harm some … Because somehow become Tatar envoys from Tatarstan reason is not entirely wrong when he explained that this position is not acceptable to us, and them removed. And now there are visitors from Tatarstan virtually none. Basically right now visitors – it is the FSB.

Возникает вопрос: как защитить права крымских татар? Я об этом говорил и в Страсбурге, в Парламентской Ассамблее Совета Европы, в Совете Безопасности 18 марта. Защитить права крымских татар в оккупационном состоянии невозможно. Потому что в Российском государстве отсутствуют демократические свободы. И в оккупированных территориях они, конечно, не будут создавать какой-то демократический анклав. Поэтому единственный путь защиты наших прав – приложить все усилия для того, чтобы агрессор, оккупант покинул нашу территорию. Другого выхода я просто не вижу.

Of course, we are grateful to Kasyanov, who recently said that Crimea one way or another will be returned. And then I called from Moscow and said: “Why do you rely on this Kasyanov In the elections he gets no more than 7-8 percent of the vote?”. I say: “It’s great here is such propaganda, as if all the Russians – that!” Quilted jackets “Still 7-8 percent of normal people you have.”. And thank God, at least some have a layer that understands what’s what, guided by the interests of the people, and not some kind of chauvinistic ambitions. But, of course, sadly, that most glad that they have such a manual bandit that it snapped off part of the territory of another country. It’s very sad. It’s tragic and disastrous for Russia. This occupation, no one will ever admit. In Crimea, there is no prospect not only for the Crimean Tatar people, but also for the entire population. It will be subsidized, decaying region. Even Russian economists have estimated that every year include the Crimea, even in such a depressed state, as now, will cost the Russian budget in the $ 4-5 billion. Therefore, the only way – is the restoration of international law and the maintenance of invaders from our territory.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Can you recognize the jurisdiction of the Strasbourg Court of Human Rights and PACE? Or you do not want to admit that your rights are now being violated on the territory of Russia?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Of course, we treat and will appeal. There is a decision of the Strasbourg Court on specific issues. But Russia is not fulfilling them. It does not fulfill even its own legislation. For example, the prohibition of the Majlis. The accusation is made up of 650 pages – it’s mostly excerpts from my speeches, Chubarov and other members of the Majlis that we do not recognize the occupation, we demand the withdrawal of foreign troops from our territory. And for this reason they say that we are encroaching on the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation and the Russian Federation poses a threat to security. So, the process is not over, not yet read the so-called decision of the court, and the Ministry of Justice has introduced Majlis in its list of banned extremist organizations. Where is the logic here? And recently, it was decided that Russia can not implement the decisions of international courts, including the European Court of Human Rights if they are contrary to the interests of Russia. So what the hell you were then to the European Council ?! There was a duty that you will comply with the decisions of the European Council and the European Court. Well, there is no logic. And we recognize and will recognize the judgments of the European Court.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Yes, the Constitutional Court did not accept to be able to vote to prisoners.

And how many of your like-minded people are now prisoners in Russian prisons?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: In total we have 13 members. There are three categories of prisoners. One category – it is for religious reasons. While there is nothing extremist they did not commit, they only found some literature, a Russian point of view – banned, extremist. The second group – those who met me May 3, 2014. It turns out that they illegally crossed the border. From the point of view of international law it is not a border. They moved from one part of Ukraine in the other. As a result, they have had clashes with riot police.

A third category, in which the sitting and the first deputy of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people Ahtem Chiygoz – this meeting February 26, 2014, before the so-called annexation, before the occupation, to the so-called referendum. The Crimean Tatars were against the attempts of the separatist forces in Crimea joining Russia. Here is the February 26 rally, they are regarded as unauthorized and illegal. And that, on 26 February we had to take permission to hold a rally? They act in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, and there did not have to take permission to hold rallies. Here on such absurd accusations is now Ahtemu Chiygozu faces from 15 and up to 20 years in prison. They believe that he organized a rally against annexation to Russia.

And most importantly – the situation of terror. In total, up to the end of last year was, in my opinion, more than 200 searches in homes, schools, mosques of the Crimean Tatars. 95-96 percent – it searches in the homes and in the schools of the Crimean Tatars.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: We expect that once again will be denied and the Day of memory of victims of deportation. Some hotheads think they can ban and Pushkin’s poem “The Fountain of Bakhchisarai” and mention of the Giray dynasty.

Sourse, 27/04/2016

In Crimea, the situation of fear prevails, the feeling of complete vulnerability to arbitrary

August 22, 2015

Mustafa Dzhemilev, the People’s Deputy of Ukraine, leader of the Crimean Tatar people for many is an example. The man who broke into the ordeal and did not buy generous promises. It is compulsory in their promises and consistent actions. Now, when the Crimea was in the Russian occupation, Mustafa-aga is making for the liberation of their motherland more effort than the Foreign Ministry and other government institutions of Ukraine, together.

Mustafa Dzhemilev in a conversation with “Internet” spoke about his international activities and relations with the Russian justice. He expressed his views on the law that declared annexed Crimea free economic zone and promised that if the corruption loophole is closed, he and his supporters would block the road to the Crimea, on which ride the wagon with food and other goods for the occupants.

– Mr. Cemil, now, when Crimea was annexed by the Russians, where your family lives?

– In Bakhchisarai. I live there my wife and son.

– How often do you see them and how to keep in touch?

– Not very often. Last time my wife and I traveled together in Ankara on Congress. She silent fears often leave the Crimea – the logic of the current Crimean authorities can not understand them at any time may not be allowed back. And there – family, friends, home, elderly mother. In addition, the exit of any national of Crimea is perceived very painfully and disapproval. Like, I invite all to suffer and not to leave the Crimea, while they themselves were taken away their relatives!

– Relatives in the Crimea received Russian passports?

– My wife – no, for it is fundamentally, and daughter also did not get, so it is fired from his job at the Tauride University. But the vast majority of Crimean residents still have to get these passports, because without them there to live virtually impossible – not to seek medical help, or get a job, or to issue the property nor any bureaucratic issues can not be solved without Russian documents.

– What has changed in their reviews are now living in the Crimea?

– Everything they say that in the Crimea is now reigns atmosphere of fear, a feeling of complete vulnerability to tyranny. Even on holidays, at weddings do not have the joy that was before. People are afraid to talk to each other. The social position of the people, with the exception of the military, police and government officials, also deteriorated significantly – reducing wages, reducing purchasing power, high cost, long queues in hospitals, etc. And angry, too, is strictly prohibited, it is only necessary to express joy over the “return” of the Crimea to Russia.

– Even among the Crimean Tatars are afraid to be frank?

– there was a lot of snitches. Yes, and listening devices around them stuffed.

– The Russian authorities are blackmailing you your son. What do they offer you?

– Once in August last year, one of the advisers of the Russian president was Kiev and said that Vladimir Vladimirovich wanted to talk back to me, I said that we can only meet in Kiev, because I was denied entry to Russia. I replied that if I would agree to a meeting, then, depending on what the results will be achieved on it, my son the next day will be at home, and I can safely travel to the Crimea. To this I said to him: “That is Vladimir Vladimirovich is holding my son hostage So he’s a terrorist You tell him that we do not conduct negotiations with terrorists?”.

After it went my statement to the press, he called me and complained that I was about the confidentiality clause told the media. And I say, “So you do not make me indecent proposals”. Now this advisor, apparently for something that does not cope with the task, it is very far distant from Putin.

– What fate awaits Now your son?

– He was sentenced to five years in prison for manslaughter. By all the laws, including the Russian, he should be handed over to Ukraine, because the event took place in the territory of Ukraine, and the victim, and my son, too, are the Ukrainian citizens. My son’s lawyer in court talking about the illegality and illegitimacy of such actions. There is also a decision of the European Court of Human Rights that he be extradited, but Russia is not considered with the verdict and did not even respond to our Ministry of Foreign Affairs requests.

My wife also gave readings there. The court, by the way, took place in Krasnodar, Krasnodar, and in addition the prosecutor at the trial was attended by 2 Prosecutor of Crimea. They also asked some questions that my wife said, “I’m on the question of traitors who have violated the oath of his country, do not answer.”

But the jury – it is, in my opinion, one of those units that the Putin regime is not able to control. Both my wife and daughter said that by the jury to him felt some sympathy. When everything came out of the courtroom, one of the women, the jury wished them: “May God give you good luck!”

– Mustafa-aga, what, in your opinion, Ukraine should pursue a policy in relation to the occupied Crimea? And how do you assess the Law “On free economic zones”, according to which Crimea declared a territory?

– On the topic of the law, I have repeatedly talked with the President and the Prime Minister. This is absurd: the occupied territory are declared free economic zone. Yes, to maintain communication with the peninsula, to ensure movement of citizens need. But our power is all done vice versa – are all sorts of obstacles at the entrance and the entrance to the Crimea with Ukrainian passports of people, representatives of the Diaspora, and to carry loads kilometers of queues trucks that follow almost without any checks.

We even conducted an experiment: sent to a person abroad, he comes to customs with the question as to whether they help hold the wagon, not figuring out what cargo it carries. “$ 500, – says he – and another 500 will have to give the border guards.” As a result, a bargain for a total of $ 800. Without checking, pay – and take me what you want!

All this talk, they say, there live our fellow citizens, they can not be left without food – it is the purest nonsense, it does not care about the citizens, if 90% of imported products in the Crimea and then moves on to Russia. But even that, what remains is primarily for the supply of military units. The shops, of course, also is part.

Without doubt, the main supplier of products to the peninsula – it is Ukraine, and if we do not supply them, where prices rise sharply. Russia will have to diversify the supplies, delivering goods by aircraft and ferries, but they will cost several times more expensive. But we continue to carefully feed the invaders and protect the Russian treasury of additional costs.

– What you said the president of the law on SEZs?

– During our last conversation with him, I said that we will block these columns trucks and special no objection.

And the Cabinet is now drawn up a list of goods that can be passed and in what amount. Also planned to establish hubs in the Kherson region – ie, large markets, where the inhabitants of the Crimea will come to buy food.

– It will be convenient for residents of the Crimea, living close to the border with Kherson region. Others, perhaps, will be expensive to travel?

– They do not care it will cost is 2-2.5 times cheaper than buying products in the Crimea. There will be sold not only products, but also construction materials – cement, crushed stone, etc. for individual use, which are now imported from Ukraine in the Crimea as a free economic zone. But the large-scale importation of trucks these materials to the Crimea, which are used in the construction of landfills for Russian missile systems for nuclear base, which is now settling for Kyzyltash, should not be.

– Mustafa-aga, you Simferopol was a charity fund “Krim”. At the moment he was arrested by the Russian authorities?

– First, they said that the Fund can not function because its founder is a foreign national, that is me. they have made themselves a foreigner. Foundation staff compromised and expelled me from its composition, although the statute is not written that I am the founder, as it is based the decision of the National Congress (Kurultai), and members of his administration also appointed by decision of the National Congress, and I, as chairman of the Majlis, of course, was the president of the Foundation.

The Russian authorities, who came to the Crimea, blocked the activity of the Foundation, and all that belongs to the Fund, and therefore the Majlis – buildings, offices – were arrested.

Moreover, all these assets were purchased by us and is privately owned. For example, building on the street. Schmidt 2 in Simferopol, which is considered an architectural monument, was bought by us many years ago, 40 or 45 thousand. Dollars.

All work carried out to repair the building, should be consistent with the architecture of the Committee. So, apart from the fact that the seizure of property was imposed due to the fact that I – “foreign” citizens, even house arrest because without the consent of the Russian architectural department repair of the roof was carried out there. This is so stupid … Are roof repairs should have been in the Ukrainian Crimea negotiate with Moscow? Well, if you would not have made the repair, then certainly he would have seized because “architectural monument” resulted in a state of neglect.

– That is the repair of the roof was carried out prior to the occupation, and the claims presented to you now?

– Of course. In fact of all the absurd.

– Yes, the Russians in the Crimea does not cease to amaze. Mustafa-aga, you filed suit in Moscow’s Basmanny Court to invalidate the decision of the Federal Migration Service to ban the entry you in Crimea. Why Moscow court?

– The lawsuit filed in the Basmanny Court lawyer, Mark Feigin, which protects our Hope Savchenko. Moreover, not in the hope of obtaining a fair judgment on the abolition of the ban arrogant, but to at least find out – what authority and who is hated this decision.

After all, in our hands is not a single document, where it would say something about the ban. I have in the cordon with Crimea on April 19 last year, just read out the paper on which there was no signature, no seal. The lawsuit was to determine who still ruled the ban. In theory, it was supposed to make the Federal Migration Service, but they say they do not do that. Even information on the prohibition of entry I have on the website of the Military Prosecutor’s Office, but also without specifying who took this decision. There is only a kind of justification for the ban – say, represent a threat to the territorial integrity and security of Russia.

And there are even more voluminous document authorship Crimean prosecutor’s office, in which he explained what I bad person, are gleaned from the Internet “anti-Russian” quotes from my interviews and stuff.

So at the trial it became clear that a decision on me took out the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation, even though it does not fit into the Russian legislation, because it is the prerogative of the Federal Service for Migration. But the document with the FSB, too, so no one has presented. Now we have moved to the next stage of the story, it will conclude that now Mark Feigin is preparing documents for the ECHR.

– And why you turned to Russian lawyer?

– To find out what and where it came from in this case, it is necessary in the territory of Russia. Who is going to file a lawsuit with the ECHR – I or Feigin – whether it is necessary that documents of all levels were collected in Russia. That’s it, Mark does.

– What do you think, whether Ukraine should demand compensation from Russia for the assets in the Crimea? And it will not look as if we sell the Crimea?

– Payment shall be required for damages, for all that they have destroyed, taken away. And it’s time to force this point through the international courts to bring lawsuits Russia, and since it will not pay, then seize the property of Russia abroad. We are late with this case, and “YUKOS” Mihaila Hodorkovskogo, for example, won a lawsuit against the US $ 50 billion and now slowly begins to take the Russian property in some countries. The litigation lasted a long time and this was not easy, but in the “Yukos’ former shareholders eventually won. And here the situation is more obvious than that there – there is a violation not only of the economic rights, and international.

– Mustafa-aga, the decree of President of Ukraine you are appointed by the Commissioner of the Crimean Tatar people. Tell me, how we internally displaced persons from the Crimea?

– Displaced we mainly engaged in charity Crimea-SOS and representative of the UN High Commissariat for Refugees Ukraine, who led Oldrich Andrusek.

Cadence it was over, but instead wanted to appoint a former GDRovskogo Komsomolets, who has close ties with Russia. Our Foreign Ministry is justified objected to his candidacy and now representative of the High Commissioner, as it were, without the boss.

Check with great precision of movement of the inhabitants of the peninsula is impossible. But last year Andrusek said that moved about 10 thousand people, half of them – the Crimean Tatars. Who receives information about 21 000 and about 35 thousand. Slightly more than half of all internally displaced persons from the Crimea up the Crimean Tatars, because for them there is the greatest pressure.

– any cases of human rights violations you have fixed in the Crimea, both in terms of the Crimean Tatars, and the rest of the population. And how do you respond to them?

– We can not control everything, but now we already are building a network of correspondents all over the Crimea. This thing is very expensive and dangerous, because there is shadowing the Russian special services delivered at a high level. We collect information on the lines of the Mejlis also created their own network Crimean News Agency with the center in Kiev and ATR channel.

– What we have today in Ukraine there are programs, projects for the return of the Crimea under the jurisdiction of Ukraine?

– a detailed strategy for the return of the Crimea we do not have. But I expressed my opinion, it is that the military way of Crimea return is not possible, it was necessary to shoot at the beginning, and now, according to various estimates, the peninsula is concentrated from 60 to 80 thousand Russian troops, all dispersed weapons, tanks, missiles. There is also evidence that in Kyzyltash near Yalta restore the nuclear facilities and were seen cars, which have the symbol, a warning about nuclear dangers. But the “Topol”, “Iskander”, “SS-20”, which can carry nuclear weapons, there already is. And in the case of a military conflict, if, God forbid, it will explode even one nuclear warhead, it can be a disaster not only for the Crimea, the whole of Ukraine and Russia, but also for the whole of Europe. In a word,

I believe that the main strategy for the Crimea – sanctions. Therefore, the World Congress of Crimean Tatars, which discussed the issue of Crimea, addressed to the whole world and to the Turkish Government to join the sanctions.

The Russians, of course, very nervous about the Congress, they had set up in the Crimea its Sabbath forcibly assembled state employees, and on their behalf made an appeal to Erdogan that he would not allow the Congress. But Erdogan has not only ensured the smooth conduct of the Congress, but also addressed the delegates with the message, where he said that Turkey will never recognize the occupation and will always strive to restore the territorial integrity of Ukraine, called Crimean Tatars continue their struggle for the liberation of Crimea from the Russian occupation . Around the same vein were the treatment and the Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu.

First, the Russian press gleefully reported that Erdogan “ignored”, did not come to our Congress. But he could not come, because these days, together with the Minister of Foreign Affairs visited Indonesia and Pakistan. The Prime Minister was not there in Ankara. But as soon as they returned to the country, then immediately and the prime minister and the president invited us to a meeting. After that, the tone of the Russian press has become a bilious and angry – both in relation to Erdogan, and in general to the international policy of Turkey.

– The Verkhovna Rada has a sectarian association “Crimea”. Who enters into it, and what do they do?

– No special results of work they do not have, and powers, in general, too, no no. MP Alexey Goncharenko suggested that I led the work of this association, but I refused, and then he himself became head of the group.

We’re talking about what we need to create in the Verkhovna Rada a separate Committee for Crimea and other occupied territories. This issue we will discuss in the near future with the Speaker of BP Vladimirom Groysmanom.

– And what in general there are international projects dealing with the problem of the Crimea?

– Who will be the return of the Crimea, if not ourselves? The international community is merely states that the annexation of the Crimea and the Russian invasion of the territory of Ukraine is illegal and does not recognize Crimea’s accession to Russia.

Penalties – it is their measure of influence on Russia. But the sanctions also affect the economies of those countries that have joined this list. For example, I was in Italy, where Berlusconi’s party and even some party “5 stars” comedian Beppe Grullo in favor of the abolition of the sanctions. This movement is in France. But thank God, these countries have not yet abolished the sanctions and unlikely to be canceled until the liberation of the Crimea, but the Russian secret services are working very hard in this respect – and bribe some politicians or organizations, snapping up even provincial newspapers in the European countries, to apply, as is the case with French delegation, traveling to the Crimea and meetings with the occupation authorities and then repeated their statements to the press that no one’s rights are not violated. Unfortunately, the corrupt and greedy for dirty money people everywhere suffice.

But independent international human rights organizations and the Russian authorities in Crimea is not allowed. Once allowed to enter the Turkish group of independent experts, apparently relying on their loyalty, as Turkey has not yet acceded to the sanctions. First was the question of how the delegation would be to get there: if in Moscow, it will be a violation of Ukrainian sovereignty, if in Kiev, then they were not allowed to Crimea. Then, in a conversation with Erdogan in Kyiv on March 20, I proposed a compromise, the delegation arrived in Kiev, and then went to Moscow and from there to Simferopol. Such an option all arranged, and our Ministry of Foreign Affairs also did not mind.

Following the visit to the Crimea a group of experts presented a report on 20 pages, which was a shock to the Russians, because it shows everything as it really is. After that no uncontrolled Russian mission to the Crimea is no longer allowed. We wish to operate through Russian human rights organizations, but they also create a lot of obstacles to their activities in the Crimea – and delay, and check. I am talking about Russian human rights defenders from the group of dissident hardening – Lyudmile Alekseevoy, for example.

– Mustafa-aga, tell us about your trip to Poland for the presentation of the Solidarity Award. You, as far as I know, offered other nominees for the award?

– The award was given to the daughter of Boris Nemtsov – Jeanne. I, as the first winner of this award, had the right to nominate, and the first name that came to mind then, of course, was Boris Nemtsov – a fearless fighter against the regime, against the occupation of the Crimea, and Russia’s war against Ukraine. Which, by the way, and he knew about it he said at a meeting with me in Kiev, that it was likely soon be killed. But the Polish Solidarity Prize as the Nobel not awarded posthumously. So I made the candidacy of Alexander Podrabinek, who fearlessly fought against the Soviet regime, he spent many years in prisons, camps and exile, and now as hard struggles with the Putin regime. I mentioned this in his speech at the ceremony in Warsaw Award on 6 August.

All nominated candidates were many, about 20 people of European, Asian and African countries, and all of them mentioned in a separate film, which was shown at the ceremony.

Out of all the nominations the jury chose Zhannu Nemtsovu – the daughter of Boris Nemtsov, a courageous and talented journalist who after the death of his father, too, was forced to leave Russia, and works on the radio “Deutsche Welle”. By the way, she said that a significant portion of the premium received will give the families of our “Heavenly hundred”, “Boris Nemtsov Fund” to continue his father’s business, the Crimean Tatar TV channel ATR-in-exile, which is the “bastion of freedom on the peninsula of speech and objective news about the situation” and other charitable projects in Ukraine.

Interviewed by Natalia Kondratieva

Sourse, 21/08/2015

Crimea is not yours

December 3, 2014

In the program “Face-to-event” to “Radio Liberty” – an interview with the leader of the Crimean Tatar people, MP of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Mustafa Dzhemilev about what happened and is happening in Russia annexed Crimea.

Conversations at the international conference in Wroclaw memory of the poet Natalia Gorbanevskaya .

Mikhail Sokolov: Conference “Against war and violence.” Which was held November 29 and 30 in Poland in Wroclaw, it was dedicated to the memory of the poet and human rights activist Natalia Gorbanevskaya, one of the eight people who came to Red Square August 25, 1968, in protest against the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia. Participated in policy discussions, human rights activists, historians, writers from Russia, Ukraine, Poland, the protesters in Red Square in 1968. Pavel Litvinov and Viktor Feinberg. The leader of the Crimean Tatar people Mustafa Dzhemilev spoke about Natalia Gorbanevskaya.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Dear friends, colleagues. A year as dead Natalia Gorbanevskaya. But we, the old dissidents, while we are still alive, perhaps we should talk about Natalia Gorbanevskaya. This is very important, because such people always lacked, then and now, and not to be missed in the future tense.

Already the first document, which was signed by the initiative group – it would appeal to the United Nations Commission on Human Rights, where there were 15 signatures of members of the initiative group, which spoke about the main crimes of the Soviet regime in the field of human rights, including mention of the struggle of the Crimean Tatar people to return to their homeland, about lawlessness of the Soviet authorities. It was one of the first documents, which allowed to bring the Crimean Tatar problem, the problem of the deported people to return to their historical homeland of the world community.

Arrest Natalia Gorbanevskaya very painful blow to the initiative of our group. Because a major role in the collection of materials, drafting, correcting and even many of the documents, which were issued by the initiative group of human rights, Natalia played Gorbanevskaya. There are these words: “And the good and evil – all die, so better to let the good we will remember.” Natalia Gorbanevskaya one of those people who will remember for a long time.

Mikhail Sokolov: “Poetry Natalia Gorbanevskaya inherits Russian civic poetry, with its idealism, the idea of ​​man as a being, longing for justice, sacrifice and unselfish,” – said Grigory Yavlinsky. But, of course, the focus was not only poetry, but also the problems of human rights, ideals that were important for Natalia Gorbanevskaya, were central to her life.

The son of Natalia Gorbanevskaya – Jaroslav urged the authorities of Western countries demand that the Russian release of all political prisoners.

Jaroslav Gorbanevsky: Today I am in Wroclaw on the anniversary of my mother’s memory, which stands for your freedom and ours. For the freedom of all, in particular, for freedom of political prisoners. If we celebrate the memorial of her reward with something or just remember, just honestly could say: It stands for freedom, let us do as well as she did. We love her, we honor it, let’s do what she would have asked us to do. So today I asked Poland to those whose words at the official level is important, with a request: say three sentences, speaking officially, openly, publicly, tell those three phrases to release Russian prisoners.

Mikhail Sokolov: “Polish society is one in relation to assessment of the events in Ukraine and the aggression against it”, – said the president of the Polish Institute of National Remembrance Lukasz Kaminski. The famous Polish sociologist and translator of Adam Pomorsky believes that Putin managed to just a year to destroy what happened in Europe in the last quarter of a century.

At an international conference in Wroclaw, a resolution was adopted with the assessment of what is happening in Russia and Ukraine:

“We, the participants of the international conference” Days of memory Natali Gorbanevskoy “urge the Russian people do not support a regime that leads to disaster.

We appeal to the governments and citizens of the free world: do not throw the Ukraine alone. Stop Russian aggression.

We, friends and colleagues Natali Gorbanevskoy, appeal to the governments and citizens of the free world: ask the Russian authorities to release all political prisoners. “

The resolution is very important, – says human rights activist and historian Alexander Daniel:

At the international conference “Against war and violence” in the center of attention and was the Crimean Tatar issue.

About what is happening in the Crimea, now in the “Face-to-event”, we talk with the leader of the Crimean Tatar human rights movement, a deputy of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Mustafa Dzhemilev.

Mustafa, I would like to start a little distance in the same sense as were the relations of the Crimean Tatar people with the Ukrainian authorities in Crimea. Because today on this topic a lot of different fantasies, talk about what you and discriminated against in Ukraine. Like going back?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Definitely, that any coherent policy of the Ukrainian state system against the Crimean Tatar people as an indigenous people of the peninsula, was not. Yes, Ukraine has declared that it recognizes the illegal deportation of the Crimean Tatars, has committed itself to solve all the social and legal problems of the Crimean Tatar people. In practice, it has done very little. We, the Crimean Tatars did not return what was illegally taken away.

On the one hand this is understandable. What to do with, say, the people who live in our homes. The state in this respect, has said that it is the best of its capabilities will solve social problems through the provision of the budget year in accordance with their capabilities, but stood minuscule, it did not cover a tenth of what is needed, not even was the fact income taxes, which was obtained in the Crimean Tatars working.

In general, the attitude of the Ukrainian establishment to the Crimean Tatars was such as to the voters. Upcoming elections, they proceed from the fact that the Crimean Tatars have consolidated electorate, the vast majority decision of its highest representative body of the Mejlis, the Kurultai, therefore, agreed with Parliament to the effect that we support them in the elections, and if they win, introduce some of its passage list one or two, depending on the capabilities of this political party, our representatives.

But Majlis has its basic principles. For example, even if the Communist Party offered us their entire list to give, we would not have voted. We have always supported the principle of national-democratic forces, they usually do not come to power. There was one case when Yushchenko was president, the party came to power. Then they began discord, they not only failed to fulfill the promises against the Crimean Tatars, but also generally in relation to other voters, too.

Worse it was the part of those who came to power. They are, as a rule, relied on in Russian, chauvinistic electorate. To us it was, at least, indifference, hostility under Yanukovych. Accordingly, the problem is not solved. If the Crimean Tatars in the autonomy is 14%, then in the structures, as we shall find in the local or regional elections executive, representative government depended places, and in the executive power structure the percentage of Crimean Tatars did not exceed 2.5-3%, that is discrimination 4-5. Accordingly, no other problems were solved. Not because Ukraine was chauvinistic, great-approach to the Crimean Tatars. Due, in particular, the fact that the Crimea – is a region where the vast majority are ethnic Russian, who moved primarily, more than 80%

The stereotype, which was implemented for decades, that drove away it is true that they are traitors, all of this favorably perceived by them, give peace of mind, as they took home, whom they sent to death, and then it turns out, it turns out, that they are bad. Here is the promotion lasted for many years, and it was passed down from generation to generation.

Mikhail Sokolov: Crimean authorities with those who led the executive branch, could agree, or they had a special respect for its Kiev, more rigid with respect to the Crimean Tatar people politics?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Definitely all, who heads the executive branch can not. Were more or less pragmatic, to the best of their abilities a little bit more far-sighted than towards others. The last prime minister of Mogilev, ardent chauvinist who in the press openly justified the deportation of Crimean Tatars, said it was the “fifth column”. What can you negotiate with them? Respectively had the chauvinistic policy. He fully supported, as well as his chief of Yanukovich, a pro-Russian on the Russian majority. In between, there were some people, such as the Prime Minister Kunitsyn or Speaker of the Verkhovna Rada Gritsenko, who understood that if you do not solve the problem of the Crimean Tatars, then this is the way to conflict, then they will not be able, and for ourselves to get something. That is a more pragmatic, more prone to the Crimean Tatars.

Mikhail Sokolov: Did you have any suggestions that might be organized in the Crimea coup with the participation of Russian law enforcement agencies, with the participation of Aksenov groups, and so on?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: For a long time, my view was that the current situation in Russia is unlikely to direct annexation, most likely Russia will always create tensions, create problems Ukraine to the fact that they could not create an independent policy. But the fact that so and will move its troops, chop off another part of the territory, in the twenty-first century, it seemed incredible. But after the 2008 Russian-Georgian war, I was probably one of the first, which opened in the press, in the newspaper “Day” said that next in line could be Ukraine. I even said so, that repeated a similar scenario. If, for example, in Georgia, South Ossetia and Abkhazia strenuously heard Russian passports, then about the same thing happens. I cited statistics on how much we have in the Crimea there is people who have Russian passports, analysis of the elections to the authorities of Russia. Sets the polling stations, and those who have Russian passports, vote. Based on the fact that it was not quite comfortable to come from one village to another in the elections, we did this offer and come to the conclusion that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel. who have Russian passports, vote. Based on the fact that it was not quite comfortable to come from one village to another in the elections, we did this offer and come to the conclusion that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel. who have Russian passports, vote. Based on the fact that it was not quite comfortable to come from one village to another in the elections, we did this offer and come to the conclusion that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel. that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel. that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel.

I also said that a serious threat to the security of Ukraine is the Black Sea fleet, so you should immediately proceed to the denunciation of the contract with Russia on the Black Sea Fleet. Although I suggest what may be the cost, what penalties, but the security interests should be paramount. Of course, to take a course to join the North Atlantic alliance.

But authorities did exactly the opposite. It was still under Yushchenko, and after a while came to power Yanukovych, it is not something to denounce, the term had come to an end in 2017, it extended for another 25 years under the pretext that Putin promised to reduce the price of gas at one hundred dollars per thousand cubic meters. This, in my view, was a real betrayal. No wonder at the statement, upon ratification of this treaty were just fights in the parliament. But the power they have, and they were able to push through it.

So later I saw an analytical report of the Security Service of the Crimea to his superiors in Kiev, where about my statement saying that the Majlis takes a provocative attitude, actions are aimed to spoil fraternal relations between the two countries. That is, we are provocateurs, because we want to withdraw the Black Sea Fleet.

Summing up, I want to say that there have been indications that this can happen, though not fully believe it. Moreover, that the head of state for a few months before, when he was asked the question, that, well, there is talk that the Russian claim to Crimea, how do you assess, it clearly states that this is nonsense, it’s nonsense, it provocation, we respect the state border of Ukraine, is coming up with different provocateurs. And suddenly this development. Arguments to justify this policy and the introduction of its troops on our territory, of course, does not stand up to scrutiny. The claims that if the Ukraine to establish a fascist regime, Bandera, that there almost chase through the streets and kill everyone who is not a fascist – it was such wildness directly posed on its head.

 with full responsibility that in all the years of Ukraine’s independence is now just after Independence and Revolution, established in all branches of government, the executive and the Cabinet of Ministers, the Verkhovna Rada most that eat the most democratic system of governance.

Please note though that we have parliamentary speaker with a typical Ukrainian surname Groisman, Interior Minister Avakian. There generally are not interested in the nationality of the one prescribed.

Such wild fancies as if created a threat to the Russian-speaking population in the regions, especially in the depths of Russia, who did not know that we have going on, it may be held.

Mikhail Sokolov: Still grouping Aksenov, what is it? You come across these people? They got 3 or 5% in the last election and now they are the real power.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Since 2009, they could not be heard on the political horizon, but in 2009 they created a group called “Russian unity”, this populist theme that Russian should unite to defend their rights. Pro-Russian rhetoric has been a lot of that is historical, but frankly, it is necessary to separate the Crimea from Ukraine and Russia attach to such slogans they had, but was clearly pro-Russian. We knew that he was very powerfully supported by a neighboring state, and not very successful, because it is a serious election votes are not typed. At the same time, it was known that this Aksenov named “Goblin” has managed to place in different power structures, primarily in the prosecutor’s office, his men, who defended them when they came across a not very nice things. But still, of course, governed from the Kremlin, Moscow, itself the Goblin could not do anything until you go to some order. All revolutions, it is no secret, it is not carried out “Russian unity”, and specific powers which belong to the Russian military.

Mikhail Sokolov: If we talk about the events of the beginning of the winter and spring, say, February, was there a real opportunity to confront once this coup, say, the same Crimean Tatars, who took to the streets, and then somehow disappeared from the streets?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I can say that for 100% could resist, if not for the intervention of the neighboring country. Because seized Parliament, the Council of Ministers of autonomy is not Russian bloc and the so-called “little green men” – a cadre people trained terrorists with all equipment. Therefore, it was not, someone who will overcome on the Crimean peninsula, there is dictated by external forces.

Mikhail Sokolov: It was not here for your mistakes? Demonstrations, in my opinion, continued for three days, then somehow were discontinued. If the demonstrations continued, maybe Putin does not want to take the risk?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Completely eliminate what you said, it is also impossible, this view has a right to exist. But as the events unfolded. What this rally going? To Parliament adopted the decision that they were motivated by the Kremlin, to accede to Russia. Accordingly, the Crimean Tatars were against. Failed. This is the 26th confrontation, they collected three or four thousand of his supporters brought up by buses from all edges, including Sevastopol. Crimean Tatars, there were three or four times more pushed.

The very next day the room occupied by terrorists. These terrorists have a pass allowed deputies at the entrance to the Parliament have seized mobile phones, in front of each stand when put to the vote, keep track of who like to vote, and like they scored either 56, or 57 votes, but there were only 46 votes, according to some reports. However, they declared that the deputies voted to join Russia. Even if it was 90%, still it is illegitimate.

What kind of parliament where the barrel behind you indicate how to vote. There are people, of course, can be and have been inclined to vote for certain decisions, but they are likely to vote when they will be paid, but not when forced to. There simply forced. Already carried out any actions aimed at the liberation of the occupied territories, it was obvious bloodshed. Also in Kiev, we were asked not to go, not to provoke, not to allow that Putin was a reason for the introduction of troops. There even was talk that preparing provocations that have had to find two or three dead Russian soldiers, of course, killed the Crimean Tatars, then start a campaign against the Crimean Tatars. We are seriously afraid of this and warned the press that there are our sources of information. They are the soldiers did not kill. Crimean Tatars,

Mikhail Sokolov: You can specify: Kiev – who is this? These people have families, and so on?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Then was the speaker of the Verkhovna Rada of Turchynov, Prime Minister Yatsenyuk. I’m not going to blame them, their order can be correctly and completely wrong. That’s right, if there really ready for something bloody, and they acted very humanely, saying he did not go out and do not lose their lives. And if this confidence was not simply give in to terrorists, to leave them unpunished, moreover, had the opportunity to neutralize them and do not do – is, of course, raises a number of questions as to why it was not done.

Mikhail Sokolov: I understand that at this stage the victims were just among the Crimean Tatars, a man was killed there. It was possible to find out what happened and who’s to blame him?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: It is not these days, later it was. March 3 area came Crimean Tatar, Ukrainian flag wrapped, said he was against the occupation, it was then in front of all the people was pushed into a car and drove away. Then a week later his body was found with signs of violence, tied with adhesive tape, to the naked eye it was clear that killed stabbed in the eye. The fact that this operation vykradyvaniyu human and murder carried out so-called “self-defense”, where all the thugs in the Crimea, we had no doubt. The fact that the FSB and then say that they can not identify, can not be established – is babbling. If YouTube can recognize who pushes him, the experts have been even more so. This concerns not only the first but also the subsequent vykradyvany people.

Mikhail Sokolov: We stayed on repression. The repression against the Crimean Tatars from the people who occupied the Crimea, they almost immediately started after the occupation?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: We have accurate information that the Russian political establishment had a dual attitude to the developments in Crimea and, in particular, in relation to the Crimean Tatars. Part of the establishment came from the fact that the Crimean Tatars have to agree, especially with Parliament, because the vast majority of Crimean Tatars are guided by the Majlis. This explains the invitation to Moscow for talks, the arrival of numerous delegations from Russia, Tatarstan, Bashkortostan, to negotiate with the Majlis of the Crimean Tatar people.

Mikhail Sokolov: We can remember how there was this type of negotiation process that they are offered to you?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: From the outset, they had prepared, and even adopted a draft resolution of the Verkhovna Rada of the Autonomous Republic, where Crimean Tatars 23% of guaranteed representation in all structures of power in all branches of government, including in parliament. That is allocated a quota under this quota choose themselves Crimean Tatars. The functioning of the Crimean Tatar language as one of the official on the territory of Crimea. Thirdly, the return of the Crimean Tatars, who were forced to lie outside of the Crimea. It was assumed that the measures will be taken public, including financial ones, in order to facilitate their return to the territory of Crimea. What will be restored historical place names of the Crimea – it is more than 1,200 settlements, which at one time after the deportation of the Crimean Tatars were Russified: Tank, Armored,

And most significant is that these people, who came to power and brought them, the “Goblin”, I mean Aksenov, who poison breathed in the Majlis, always stated that it is an illegal structure, so-and-so, all of a sudden in this decision stated that they will be officially recognized, the Crimean Tatar Kurultai and Majlis. That is, there was such a direct calculation that the Crimean Tatars to celebrate, to cling to these opportunities and say how happy they are to be in the Russian Federation. But this is not passed.

The upper hand in policy toward the Crimean Tatars began to occupy the “hawks”, who initially said that the Tatars Crimean impossible to negotiate, especially with Parliament, so you need to act only traditional exhaust not only in Soviet Russia, but also in pre-revolutionary methods separation of the Crimean Tatars into good and bad, the repression that, in fact, done.

Mikhail Sokolov: What kind of repression took place today?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Mass no arrests have massive searches under the pretext that they allegedly looking for weapons, in some cases, they say the drugs, although it seems absurd, with no data, they say, Behold, we are looking for drugs. Weapons, drugs, and the third, the most vulnerable – is the search for banned books. They made a list of forbidden books of more than 2600 titles, but this is an incomplete list.

We first talked about 40 searches the Crimean Tatars in their homes, mosques, schools, and they turned out to be much larger. Some houses were searched and immediately threatened that if someone knows about it, then let him think about the children. Closed searches were carried out mainly by so-called “self-defense”. They were taken during the search, not only as a traditional FSB conducts searches, seized computers, materials, they still grab that will attract them.

Mikhail Sokolov: “self-defense” forces – what is this? It’s illegal armed formation of Russian legislation?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Illegal, but they wanted to legalize, prepared a draft resolution, it is volunteers who are patriotic reasons.

Mikhail Sokolov: Type the terrorists?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: The guards did not have guns, and they – and their body armor and equipment, machines, all they have.

Mikhail Sokolov: So it’s actually a gang. What quantity of these gangs?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Hard to say, a few hundred. To my mind. May 3, when I do not miss, Aksenov issued the call to gather all the members of groups “self-defense”, wherever they were, they say, is about to start a war with the Crimean Tatars.

Mikhail Sokolov: On May 3. As I understand it, when you did not miss, people have been trying somehow to express his opinion, the demonstration carried out now, as I understand it, are repression, searches and arrests?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: yesterday reported that the arrested four people accused in the case that he had illegally crossed the state border between the Crimea and Ukraine, from the point of view of international law is absurd, at 100%, you can be sure that the European Court of Human Rights is do not recognize.

They formed the gang mainly of so-called Cossacks, former gebistov who were werewolves, who served in the Security Service of Ukraine, but among them there are those who have never been in the Crimea, so to speak softer.

They basically do the dirty work, they are not an independent force. I am absolutely certain that if the central Russian government was interested in the fact that they were not idle, then so be it was. We have the impression that this was done deliberately in order to intimidate people, to force ourselves to leave the territory of Crimea.

Mikhail Sokolov: The case of the third, as I understand it, is used in the same spirit as the “swamp thing” in Russia, to intimidate people. Are there any prospects that it can grow?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: expanding, looking to what extent. If it’s a bloody showdown, the Majlis will make every effort, that it was not, because it would mean the death of our people.

Mikhail Sokolov: If even a few dozen people arrested?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: There are different options. They came to me people who said that we are also able to easily steal them. I said that we can not go on this way, we are not terrorists, we are not going to steal one. That is, I come to a standstill, it is difficult to answer unequivocally. When your rights are harshly suppressed, bullied, whether it is necessary to respond with violence? It seems to be logical, to your land came the soldiers of another country, dictates the rules, he put on you bastards, that humiliate your dignity. Exit what? Well, war, shot one, two, three, they are the same in a few hours, especially now, when the trap snapped shut, no were not allowed there, without any witnesses, can do anything you want, and then press to declare that the Crimean Tatars fought among themselves, the different clans killed themselves.

Mikhail Sokolov: So you are for non-violent resistance?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I would not say in the absolute non-violent. We have on this subject often appeared that there is no alternative. If the armed forces should adhere to the principle of nonviolence, why do they need, what machines, which should never shoot? In the military department has its own standard of behavior should have been, it may be there, but it was not observed. According to various estimates, there were about 14,000 armed forces on the territory of Crimea. Conditions in order to participate in the war, not what win any concessions to get their rights – it was unreal.

Mikhail Sokolov: We often hear that Ukraine has made a mistake, if it had at least a minimal resistance in the Crimea, there would be no hike Strelkova in Donbass and other actions.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: we have a lot to discuss on this topic. Arguments such that, say, guided by humane considerations, not to dying people. Why then keep the army? Who wants to come, chop off, which you need to territory. For the military is not an argument, not to resist.

This is largely demoralized in some way, and those citizens who remained in the Crimea loyal to their state. They were amazed at how this is so, a weapon that is bought at the expense of the taxpayers, just as the aggressor. There are other reasons, it turns out, did not want to provoke, like people did not die.

Mikhail Sokolov: As a result, they do not die in the Crimea and the Donbas.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: And die in the Crimea.

Mikhail Sokolov: What is the current economic situation in the Crimea, according to your data? What is happening and what is going on with the same Crimean Tatars, still they are in the agricultural sector is largely involved?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: None agriculture or tourism, which was one of the main sources of income in the Crimea, now do not have to say, because who wants to relax in the occupied territory, besides not go any traffic reports, no planes, no boats.

Mikhail Sokolov: prices are rising?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: prices are rising, but the Russian government has raised some salaries and pensions, too. By many indicators that tell me this in some way compensates for the fact that prices have risen. Therefore, the money received would like a little more, but also have to spend more on the same products. This is one.

Secondly, the threat to agriculture. It’s no secret that more than 80% of water, including irrigation purpose water comes from the mainland. If you block the water, and she was partially blocked because something is destroyed, then the autonomous republic no other way to try to solve to get water from underground sources, and use this water to irrigate the land – it’s just a crime, causing great environmental damage . But with no other choice, they do it. They have caused great damage to the ecology of the Crimea is due to the fact that the drilled, fetched water to watered.

Mikhail Sokolov: Say, can we say that Crimea is an economic blockade on the part of Ukraine after the adoption of the law on the occupied territories?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: No there is no blockade. Even we have information that the time since the occupation of the Crimean port of call in 69 vehicles.

Mikhail Sokolov: It is almost a year?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: If we assume that in March-April to date. I say 69 because the number was exactly in the list of names of ships that call at ports of Crimea, Attorney General of illegal crossing of the territory, including entering our territorial waters.

Mikhail Sokolov: The ships do not come legally, agriculture in poor condition, and people than live?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Most jobs servicing the military complex. They launched a very large military preparations. Yesterday came from the Crimea, said that a huge amount of cement being taken, where used to be a nuclear repository, all signs want to restore it.

Across the road the Crimea build, is clearly not in order to make people comfortable, and for military purposes, especially in the northern parts. Openly say that military action will begin soon on the border between the Crimea and Kherson area. Due to this, in the main.

In this situation, the Crimean Tatars is very difficult. Because if you’re doing a job that serves the military, you have to give the oath of allegiance to Russia. Someone in desperation goes for it. At this very well speculate Russian media, be sure to remove, will be shown on the Internet, how to swear allegiance to Russia.

Mikhail Sokolov: The bridge will be built in the Crimea, do you think? Something that will change fundamentally?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Regarding the construction of the bridge, at the time it was engaged and Hitler did not succeed. Maybe if I exert some effort. But this bridge is illegal because it has to be agreed with the Ukrainian government.

Mikhail Sokolov: What do you propose to do now Crimean Tatars, you – the leader of the Majlis, you are on the territory of Ukraine, you home is not allowed, and what do the people who were left?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: It’s hard sitting in Kiev, give instructions, from our point of view, the most correct. People there are very hard. Of course, we’d love to have one of the Crimean Tatars did not take Russian citizenship, so they boycotted. But this is impossible, impossible. Would that they are empty of peace, but the resistance of rallies, demonstrations.

It also let to mass arrests, top kills. Therefore, we stick to the traditional way – non-violent resistance, defending their dignity. This is not entirely successful, because there is such a massive pressure, such as never was under Soviet rule.

Mikhail Sokolov: There collaborators?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: A Frenchman once said: if some people do not drug addicts, prostitutes, traitors, what kind of a nation? Of course, there will probably be. The main thing is that their number was not some sort of critical mass.

I can say that with this case from the Russian occupation authorities is very great difficulties. Yes, they recruit someone, put on some positions, while at the same time do spit, they say that there is nobody behind them, their people despise, arms not served. Keep what you have. Of course there will, probably.

Mikhail Sokolov: Do you regret that in Tatarstan President Putin failed to agree somehow or the other way around, which is not declared him a tougher stance?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I without offense, but said its tough stance. When Putin said that to solve all the problems of the Crimean Tatars, I did not refuse this aid, of course, Russia is responsible for the situation in which we find ourselves. We were a part of Russia, when we were deported. Be so kind as to solve issues following the withdrawal of your troops from our territory. Decide at the negotiating table with our guidance. And to ensure that these negotiations take place, again, you need to withdraw its troops. Putin, too, thought that if the mountain to promise things, the more given that the Crimean Tatars and the Ukrainian authorities were in the same position, for some reason they hoped that we easily persuaded. Since this did not happen, they are focused on their traditional methods – repression, attempts to split and so on.

Mikhail Sokolov: What will you do in the Verkhovna Rada is now, in the new structure?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I have always said and say that alone solve the problem of the Crimean Tatars without reference to the problems of the whole of Ukraine is impossible. Of course, we will strive to a sharp improvement in the economic situation in Ukraine, strengthening defense capabilities. Because that’s exactly what if our defenses were not in such a catastrophic situation, as in recent years our President Yanukovych, Putin would hardly have brought their troops.

Of course, we will work a lot at the international level, because the Western countries should fulfill their commitments. Even it’s not that they were concerned about Ukrainians and Crimean Tatars, everyone has their own interests. Because if you close your eyes to this international robbery in the XXI century – is the way to a very large disaster.

Mikhail Sokolov: “Our country is in danger tanks in a strange land” – these words said to the invasion of Czechoslovakia by Russian poet Alexander Galich. Today, the Russians have the right to repeat these words.

Today, the Russian tanks again in a strange land, people today again imprisoned, because they are fighting for freedom. It is a threat to all of us. For our freedom and yours!

Sourse, 02/12/2014

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Crimean Tatars: the nation’s tragedy

April 28, 2016

Ban the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people has strongly condemned the US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland. Speaking April 27 during his visit to Kiev, she stressed that this outrageous decision violates the democratic rights of the entire “historical community.”

The EU called the ban the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people, a serious attack on the rights of the Crimean Tatars and evidence of further deterioration of the human rights situation in Russia annexed Crimea. This is stated in the statement of the European External Action Service.

“It is necessary without delay to ensure full compliance with international standards of human rights and other obligations under international law, in particular, in this case in relation to the Crimean Tatars community”, – the statement says.

April 26 Russian-controlled Crimea Supreme Court acknowledged Majlis extremist organization and banned its activities on Russian territory. Thus I was satisfied the claim of the Crimean prosecutor Natalia Poklonsky, which accused the Majlis in the anti-Russian activities.

Tragic history and current problems of the Crimean Tatar people to discuss politics Mustafa Dzhemilev (Kyiv), the political analyst Valery Khomyakov , the journalist Eider Muzhdabaev (Kiev).

Moderator – Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior .

Vladimir Kara-Murza, Sr.: The EU called the ban the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people, a serious attack on the rights of the Crimean Tatars and evidence of further deterioration of the human rights situation in Russia annexed Crimea.

On Tuesday, the Russian-controlled Crimea Supreme Court recognized the Majlis extremist organization and banned its activities on Russian territory. Thus, the request Natalia Poklonsky, Crimean prosecutor was satisfied that the Majlis has accused of anti-Russian activities.

Tragic history and current problems of the Crimean Tatars, we will discuss with our guest – political analyst Valeriem Homyakovym.

Valery, whether offensive to all the people the motivation to deport him because they collaborated with the German occupiers?

Valery Khomyakov:This is an old story. Of course, in every nation, including in Russian, in the war years were, to put it mildly, the traitors, collaborators. They were also among the Chechen people, and among the Crimean Tatars. But because of this, should not suffer the nations as a whole. And here we are seeing a massive attempt to present the enemy all the Crimean Tatar people – as well as others, in particular Kalmyks … I lived as a child in the Altai region, and I had a friend – Kalmyk, who was with his family to get evicted. This happened a long time ago. And when allowed, they returned to Kalmykia. Here the story is more tragic because the Crimean Tatars were able to return to the Crimea alone, in my opinion, in the late ’80s, under Gorbachev, if I do not get them mixed up. Of course, it is an insult. To them in everyday life looked upon as some traitors, fascist hirelings. All this affects the relationship of the Crimean Tatars in the circles in which they lived. This Stalinist attempt to present the people as their enemies of the fatherland, of course, terrible.

Unfortunately, what we are seeing is, in part looks like this, including the recent decision of which you have said. Although it was preceded by a lengthy process. It is not easy to feed Mrs. Poklonsky all it appeared. After the Crimea was annexed to the Russian Federation, as far as I know, we were set up parallel to the Crimean Tatar structure. They created three for two years, – sworn allegiance to Moscow to agree with everything. And creates an illusion: think of it, the Majlis – the body established at the time the Kurultai, and in fact all Crimean Tatars rallied around the governor of the Kremlin in the Crimea – Mr. Aksenov.

На мой взгляд, дело обстоит не так. Подобного рода вещи практиковались, практикуются и будут практиковаться. Что, на мой взгляд, не приводит к тем результатам, которые замышляли их инициаторы. Расколоть крымский народ не удастся. Были отдельные люди, которые в годы войны сотрудничали с немецкими оккупантами, и сейчас есть нечто подобное. Но в целом крымский народ, как мне кажется, един в своем желании сохранить свою самобытность, свои обычаи. Он един в желании не подвергаться давлению из Москвы, из Киева или еще откуда-то. Это закаленные люди. В генах этих людей – стремление сохранить свое достоинство. А сейчас мы видим попытки растоптать это достоинство – попытки крайне неуклюжие, о чем достаточно справедливо заметил Евросоюз.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: We connected Mustafa Dzhemilev, the former Soviet political prisoner, leader of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people, MP of the Verkhovna Rada.

Mustafa, held true whether the rehabilitation of the Crimean Tatars after Stalin’s deportation?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: No Ukraine deported Crimean Tatars and the Soviet Union. Therefore, it was the adoption of the law on the restoration of political and social rights of the Crimean Tatar people. The Ukrainian parliament has been quite a lot of forces that resist it – pro-Russian forces, the Communists. It was not possible. But after the occupation, somewhere this law was passed in the 20 days of March. There clearly is called deportation as a crime against humanity, and adopted a series of measures aimed at restoring. But time has been lost. This law should have been taken long ago.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: And who of Russian dissidents and human rights activists fought along with you for the restoration of the rights of your people? Everyone remembers the fate of General Grigorenko. What was this man?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Our national movement was democratic, so it attracted the sympathy of many human rights defenders, enlightened people. Among the Russian intelligentsia, one of the first who spoke out in defense of the rights of the Crimean Tatar people was writer Aleksey Kosterin. He drew attention to this problem General Pyotr Grigorenko. By the time he was a political prisoner. And somewhere in the 66-year, in my opinion, he is actively involved in our national movement. You could say he was one of the authorities. In those days in the homes of the Crimean Tatars could often be seen portraits are not only veterans of the national movement, but Petra Grigorenko. Indeed, it was a very brave man who did everything in his power. He has made an invaluable contribution to our national movement, and primarily in the promotion,

And it must be said about Sakharov, who was connected to the issue later, but he was also very effective in its activities in support of our national movement.

If we follow the trials of the national movement activists, among them there were a lot of Russian, Ukrainian, Baltic defenders who in one way or another in contact with the national movement of the Crimean Tatars, and expressed to him the solidarity support. And you’re right: Pyotr Grigorenko – it is the brightest figure in our national movement.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: recently filmed a feature film about the tragedy of your people. But it is still not allowed on the Russian screen. Remind them that it is for the film, and why he has such a hard fate rolling.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: This is the first and only feature film on the subject. Our entrepreneur to finance it. It is called “Haytarma”. Haytarma – is a dance, but then “Haytarma” – a return to his homeland. The film speaks of deportation. According to some estimates, something softened. A pro-Russian people say it shows too cruel. From our point of view, the film turned out to be very successful.

And Russia is reviving the Stalinist regime, at least – in the occupied Crimea. And any films, books exposing the Soviet government policies perceived as an insult to the Russian people and the Russian Federation.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Valery, after the deportation of only two people not been restored statehood – a Volga Germans and Crimean Tatars. Why Khrushchev was afraid to return to their statehood?

Valery Khomyakov: Hard to say, because of what is happening. There are many cities in the Saratov region, where the Volga Germans lived before the war was a republic of the Volga Germans. Apparently, the Soviet Union then leaders feared would create a kind of enclave that is because of their dissatisfaction with the fact that they were driven at the time from their homes, to create a structure that can be “total maverick.”

Chechens and Kalmyks returned to their land, gained statehood, at least, that they now have in the form of republics within the Russian Federation. But the Crimean Tatars and Volga Germans fate was more tragic. Many Germans have left their historical homeland, because the law of the Federal Republic of Germany, ethnic German is actually considered to be a citizen of the Federal Republic of Germany. A Crimean Tatars go particularly nowhere. Someone went to a variety of reasons, but mostly they are somehow tied to the land where they were born. Crimea for the Crimean Tatars – this is the Promised Land, they were born there, and much earlier, than there came the Russian troops. This distinguishes the fate of the Volga Germans from the fate of the Crimean Tatars, which, unfortunately, is not so happy as we would like.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Let’s listen to a journalist Eider Muzhdabaeva, deputy director general of the Crimean Tatar TV channel the ATR, which believes that the ban Majlis almost impossible.

Eider Muzhdabaev: prohibitions against the Majlis – a symbolic act, since it is impossible to ban the Mejlis, because he was never officially registered. This Crimean Tatar self-government, which is almost 30 years old. Therefore, the ban in formal terms is negligible.

And with the actual point of view, this means not ban the Mejlis, and the fact that they facilitate the process itself of repression against the Crimean Tatars. That is no longer necessary to prove fictitious guilt – some phony terrorism, which they can not nobody “sew” in the Crimea for two years looking for weapons and explosives in their homes, but nothing, of course, can not be found. Will not need to ascribe any other illegal actions – mass disorders, which are trying to concoct criminal cases, the reason for that, too, of course, was not. All this bogus charges. They are tired of this formality, as in his time Stalin NKVDshniki tired of the first trials. So they then came up with the “troika” and the people began to quickly judge and destroy the plant. The same purpose, there are in the decision. Accused of involvement in the Majlis of Crimean Tatar can be any. Now, any book with a portrait of Cemil will be the basis for the Russian court. Gates for mass repressions opened.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Mustafa, remind, please, what was the statutory objectives of the Mejlis, speaking bureaucratic language? For which he was created?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: It is the representative body of the Crimean Tatar people, which defends the rights of the Crimean Tatars in local government, that is to promote and co-operation with the authorities to solve our problems, as well as to represent Crimean Tatars at the international level. Before ’91, when it was created our first Kurultai and Majlis elected, we can say that a full representative of the Crimean Tatar people was the National Movement of Crimean Tatars. A 89-year – The organization of the Crimean Tatar national movement.

And in the run-up of the Soviet Union, when there was a “restructuring”, it was possible to hold elections – though not quite openly, but, nevertheless, there was such an opportunity – decided to establish a representative body of the Crimean Tatars, who is elected directly by the people, regardless whether it is involved in the national movement or not. And here on the principle of “one delegate to the national convention of thousands of people” across the Soviet Union, where Crimean Tatars lived, held elections of delegates. So, these delegates were chosen at the national congress of 250 people. He was called the Second National Congress, because the First National Congress was in the 17th year of its shot by the Bolsheviks. And the National Congress elected by ballot 33 human members of the Majlis for five years – is the executive body of the Kurultai of the Crimean Tatar people. But this is the tip of the iceberg.

Then came the elections of local and regional Mejlis in all the places of residence of the Crimean Tatars. Thus, the last elections were in 2012, at the time of the occupation of the Crimea were about 230 local and regional majlis, which involved a total of 2 000 300 people. Therefore, when we speak of the prohibition of the Majlis – is not only a ban on 33 persons, but also the entire system of the national government of the Crimean Tatar people. That is only 2 thousand 300 local and regional members of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people, the Kurultai delegates in total – somewhere in the 2.5 thousand people. In accordance with the logic of the Russian law they are called extremists. And the one who helps or elect these “extremists” – is also a kind of “extremists.” And it turns out that almost all Crimean Tatar people can be called “

So now, maybe not immediately, but it offers scope for large-scale repression against the whole of the Crimean Tatar people.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Eider Muzhdabaev believes that the international community is powerless to help the Crimean Tatars.

Eider Muzhdabaev: The international community can not do anything other than allegations. In general, none of the Crimean Tatars is not acting, except a tiny group of conscientious people in Russia. It will, of course, to the massive repression against the Crimean Tatars. And most importantly – to the atmosphere of total fear. Already, people are on the phone talking very cautiously, afraid to say an extra word. I know the atmosphere among the Crimean Tatars – it is terrible, this atmosphere of insecurity, injustice, in the 30s.

They should completely suppress the Crimean Tatar people, to destroy it as an entity, leave it only as a screen, to in some celebrations people trained tray pasties and kissed portraits of Putin. They also understand that the Crimean Tatars will never put up with this, will never recognize the results of the illegal conduct and fraudulent, shameful referendum in which 97 percent of the allegedly favored the Crimea joining Russia. Of course, this is complete nonsense. Crimean Tatars in general on this referendum did not go. And these results could not be. But the Crimean Tatars – is the main piece of evidence in the case of the illegal annexation of Crimea. And this evidence, of course, must be destroyed. To be neither heard nor seen the Crimean Tatars to all feared. Now they will threaten, so people who can not live in this atmosphere will leave.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: And it likely that in this way almost all the people outlawed?

Valery Khomyakov:It turns out so. At least that is what we are now seeing, and events that do not bring the Lord, will be developed in this way. Crimean Tatar – now more than banderovets from Western Ukraine. And their stooges sitting in the Crimea. That will be, I think, the supply of our “great” promoters, which are now the subject of the Crimean Tatar people can grasp and apply them as “corrupt hirelings Ukrainian, Kiev junta West, the State Department and all the rest.” We have seen this in other examples. And unfortunately, nothing good about it for ordinary citizens of Russia. Because once it ends. And the desire of the machine, which consumes (or trying to eat) all dissent and all those people who believe that we shall make a great stupidity on the Crimea – on this machine will devour the people already in Moscow, as it is done.

But I ask another question: what does it do its proponents? Well, all the people in prison will not plant, in which Stalin was convinced: tried – failed. Hitler tried to do – also failed. Someone thinks that Putin will succeed? No, it will not work. Sooner or later, this story will end, and the reputation of our country in view of the fact that leadership behaves … I do not think this is the Kremlin’s decision. I think it has matured into a beautiful head of Mrs. Poklonsky, which has, in my opinion, even the generals began. Its rapid political rise, it is now almost the most popular man in Russia. I would place Mr Chaika bother for the armchair. With such prospects it can safely move to the Big Dmitrovka, where the Prosecutor General’s Office. Well, you can not go on about the ambitions, let the pretty and young ladies in the form of public prosecutor. The damage is much higher.

Do not you put down the Crimean Tatar people, for all your wish. I repeat, it is in the genes of these people – resistance. Stalin raised their lives, and some post-Soviet. I remember when it all started. Then Crimea Yuriy Meshkov was president, and Sergei Tsekov, in my opinion, was the chairman of the Supreme Council.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: A Prime Minister was, in my opinion, an economist Yevgeny Saburov.

Valery Khomyakov: I remember those times, since then has been one of the leaders of the “Democratic Party of Russia.” Many have tried to meet with Nikolai Travkin, then leader, and he sent them to me, “Yuri Meshkov come talk to him.” I say, “Who is this?” – “President of the Crimea.” I do not remember, I met with him or not, A S Tsekovym exactly met. And then he drew me a terrible picture that returned Crimean Tatars, trying to seize the land. But they are not trying to take away, they just want to go back to where they were illegally rounded up in due time. By the way, it is, I believe, was, perhaps, one of those people with whom he started. And then I went to the then Supreme Council and, apparently, tried to cry out: “Help us now! We are the Crimean Tatars to places sleeves protect us.!”

This myth in the early ’90s seriously affected some of our politicians. Maybe even some Boris Yeltsin, who could call Mr. Kravchuk and say, “You there is not very much .. Help, and we are now you’ll have such autonomy in the Crimea!” There are a bunch of contradictions and partly inexperience then Russian authorities. Maybe you can forgive her for what was then the Russian Federation was not to the Crimea. But if you rewind the tape back, probably could find a common language with the then leadership of the Crimea, which is a short time, thank God, sat, and find some digestible formula to Crimean Tatars received their national autonomy on the Crimean peninsula. Do not go for it. As a result, the disease persists, it is not resolved.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: And what progress has been made during the democratization? I know that it was possible to create a number of schools in the Crimean Tatar language, a little restore land rights. How did you begin this process, which seems to go positive?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I would like to say about the fact that the idea of the ban could not be born with Putin, and the head of Madame Poklonsky. This is absolutely wrong. Madame Poklonskaya, the stories of many – is the girl with the intellect Vosmiklassnica. Actually, it is possible to trace how it is sometimes speaks without notes. Immediately we can understand with whom we are dealing. It will not make a step without having to not get instructions from Moscow. The main force in the occupied Crimea – is the FSB. There’s enough clicks, or pointers – and she will run to where she will say. Therefore overestimate the role of Madame hardly worth it.

And one wonders: why do such nonsense? In particular, the Russian leadership is not only banned the Majlis. If we proceed from the interests of the Russian Federation, then do come to the Crimea was a great folly, like the rest of the war with Ukraine. This damage, in my opinion, no one would be able to inflict. And now, in the West say straight out that it was not yet the head of the country, which would bring so much harm to the state in the history of Russia.

And to answer your question. We all went very hard and was not easy in Ukraine. Not because Ukraine as a whole does not want to solve our problems, just we had very different political forces … Here a conglomerate. We have all the time in the election supported the democratic forces. A democratic forces almost never been in power, except for a few short periods. The main power on the territory of the autonomy was in the Russian-speaking hands of pro-Russian majority. Now it is the majority of the occupants waited on. We had a very large land problems. Crimean Tatars, despite the fact that they were somewhere in the 14 percent of the population of the peninsula, in the structures of power, depending on what that structure – takes from zero to 2.5-3 percent. That is discrimination in their homeland – in 4-5 times. For example, in the Security Service, which was 2 thousand 300 workers – was not one of the Crimean Tatars. The prosecutor’s office – a few tenths of a percent. Not a single judge. That is, such a structure.

Nevertheless, Ukraine – a democratic state, and it was possible to somehow defend their rights. With great difficulty we gradually defend them. 14 percent of Crimean Tatars with great difficulty in the native language to open 14 schools, and ethnic Ukrainians are not so organized, and although they made up 23-25 ​​percent of the population of the peninsula – they have 7 schools. It all depended on how active we were. We helped our organization. And the land problems. Poklonskaya now saying: “Over the years, the Majlis has not solved the problems of land of the Crimean Tatars.” Allow me, as if in the Majlis had some opportunity to give orders and to allocate land! Majlis only organized protests demanding the allocation of land. And thank God, at least something we wanted. But it was still in the hands of the authorities,

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Eider Muzhdabaev noted that the mood of depressed people in the Crimea.

Eider Muzhdabaev: In this situation, the Crimean Tatars were probably only at the time of deportation, when any soldier could poke their butt, shoot at anyone, and so on. You can not even be an activist – it does not matter. You can not like a neighbor, a colleague, your store may not like competitor – all have nothing. You – Crimean Tatar, and that’s enough to you to write a denunciation.

Even in this regard, there is a social problem. The fact that there will be processes that we are well familiar with Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union under Stalin, when from people who may fall under the repression will be shy, like lepers. And as for all the Crimea it is obvious that all Crimean Tatars may potentially become victims of repression, with the Crimean Tatars will be less talk; they will speak to their children not to go to visit them, will be a little talk, be treated like a leper. Because you communicate today with Crimean Tatar, and tomorrow he will be a “terrorist”.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: In Bulgaria and in some republics of Yugoslavia was a special process slavyanizatsii. All Turkic names changed to Slavic to somehow dilute the nationality, the memory of the Turkish rule. Can the Kremlin to organize something like this and against the Crimean Tatars?

Valery Khomyakov:In our country, it is difficult something is to believe. You never know what will come to mind to some minister. To prove his loyalty, he can come up with anything. I would not want to come to this. And so the cones stuffed himself, many in Europe and elsewhere twist finger to his temple, when they look at the policy of our state. I hope, to this still will not come, but attempts can be. Do zealous officials who want to make a political career, no less “shiny” than Madame Poklonsky that nobody knew two years ago, and now she was almost to the State Duma met, even without primaries. I think maybe it would be nice … his political career in the State Duma few people did. I saw Aleksandr Ivanovich Lebed walked, when he became a State Duma deputy, he was not interesting to anyone. And Mrs. Poklonskaya. Maybe there will be more tolerant person, but this is not our problem.

As for the possibilities and attempts russify this part of the Crimean Tatars, who for various reasons, have begun to cooperate with the authorities … I remind you that there is one Crimean Tatar, in my opinion, the vice-premier in the government of Crimea. Well, people went to work – but for God’s sake! But if you work it, work for the benefit, including the Crimean Tatar people. What he likes this kind of action? On the prohibition of the Mejlis, he probably could have done a little more demonstrative step and get away from the Crimean management. Looks like guts.

I still see this blatant stupidity attempt to split the Crimean Tatars into several pieces. And we, ordinary citizens, through the famous canals and show in certain programs that they’re all here for Putin for the Kremlin, for its multi-ethnic, peaceful policy as they used to say. And that there is some fringe represented by the Mejlis, Mr. Cemil, Chubarov and other people who are not already in the Crimea, unfortunately, they were forced to leave – were driven from their homes of people … To this we must be prepared in including the heads of the Mejlis. A organization, I think you can always come up with a different form. Especially Muzhdabaev quite correctly noted – is not in the Ministry of Justice of the registration of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people. There is no such organization. How can you deny what is not ?! So, people can come up with some form of so

Поэтому тут приходится, видимо, достаточно непросто жителям Крыма, которые считают себя крымскими татарами. Мы это видели по другим тенденциям, которые очень четко просматриваются в нашей внутренней политике. Но я не понимаю руководство России. Им-то это зачем? Что, мало шишек вы набили? Вы хотите поссориться с исламским миром окончательно и бесповоротно? Тут бед натворили, а потом надо бежать в Саудовскую Аравию: “Ребята, давайте сократим объем нефти”. Вы чего-нибудь одно выбирайте, в конце концов. Сколько можно эту глупость смотреть?! Я давно живу на белом свете, видел всяких руководителей, и глупости у них тоже были. Но были какие-то рациональные зерна в поведении. А здесь я не вижу рациональности. Одна иррациональность, одни эмоции, одно желание угодить верховному царю. А дальше что? Хоть бы на шаг вперед посмотрели, что дальше будет.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Even Stalin’s executioners had the good sense to leave one of the hero of the Crimean Tatar people – the pilot Amet-Khan Sultan. And then he died a mysterious death. And now almost all dealt with moral authority. After all, no one can go back to their homeland.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Stalin had not had the sense to leave Amet-Khan Sultan in Crimea. At that time he lived in Moscow. And in accordance with the law, since he twice Hero of the Soviet Union, he placed the bust and was told that he could live. But he said: “What should I do there?” And he is not moved to the Crimea.

And the prospect of Russification of the settlements of the Crimea. This has been done by Stalin. There russify nothing. All Russian already there. I think that in the near future Ukraine will pass a law on the restoration of the historical place names. Already in terms decommunisation somewhere in 67 settlements of the Crimea renamed. And on all maps of the world will be the names of those villages, which will be adopted by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine. Because legally Crimea is part of the Ukrainian state.

And about the moral authorities. Russian practice was initially “buy” Majlis. This was caused by an invitation to me to Moscow. Somewhere in 35-40 minutes we were on the phone with Mr. Putin said on this subject. Mountain promises we happily alive in the Russian Federation. But when that did not work, when we said that first print its troops from our territory, but if you want to assist, then sit down at the negotiating table with our guide – even then, of course, the atmosphere changed. And the tactic was, of course, to evict people who, from their point of view can affect the mood of the people, to lead any protest movement. And indeed it is now Russia’s policy is to ensure that displace the Crimean Tatars, as it was during the time of the first occupation of the reign of Catherine II. Then, too, they were deported, robbed land. As a result, many Crimean Tatars left their lands and moved to the Ottoman Empire. Now in Turkey where some 10 times more of the Crimean Tatars, than in the Crimea. And now this policy continues.

There are facts of kidnapping and murder. We follow, whom they kidnapped and murdered. It is not only the activists of the national movement. People have the impression that no one is guaranteed. And not only the facts of murders are not investigated – it is used as a bargaining chip. For example, when questioned by some of the members of the Majlis, or an activist of the national movement in the current Crimea, if he keeps with dignity, say to him: “Are not you afraid to become a” ischeznoventsem “Or:” Are not you afraid that tomorrow your children may disappear? “the practice is that even when Stalin was not done Yes, under Stalin dissidents killed, shot, but to openly say.” Tomorrow your children will disappear, if you behave this way “- is rarely practiced now revived all. most gloomy, it was under the Soviet regime.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Journalist Eider Muzhdabaev struck by the indifference of the Russian society.

Eider Muzhdabaev: I am struck by the passivity of the Russian society, which is already itself is on the verge of total repression. I am struck by the indifference of the Russian public, including the so-called liberal. I have all these strikes and sad surprise. It seems to me, no lessons were not learned. And just as the liberal Germans calmly looked at the beginning of repression against the Jews when Jewish organizations were forbidden, when only was the first voice that “Jews do us harm, we let it close, ban”, many were silent. And many journalists are silent, many public figures were silent. Why this silence led – can not remember. I think that here the silence that creates Russia with the Crimean Tatars, I regard as a sign of agreement with this policy. This stunning cowardice, which can not be explained by anything,

Vladimir Kara-Murza, Sr.: The website of the Human Rights Council under the President Nikolai Svanidze just plucked up courage and asked about the disappearance of the Crimean Tatars. It has been 9 people by the time it was last fall. And no one else has raised this issue with the authorities, with the Kremlin.

Valery Khomyakov: Unfortunately, it is. So it turns out that either it is not interesting to anyone of those people, journalists and human rights, or they go about their business, and they do not care about the Crimean Tatars.

I thought that’s what connection with our theme. It seems to be calm Republic of Tatarstan in the national plan. Although in the early 90’s there all the seething, and no less than in Chechnya. And only thanks to the Shaimiev could somehow prevent the explosion. Until recently. But recently I heard the news on one of the radio channels: Vsetatarsky community center (quite nationalistic) long statement currently no resemblance, and then decided to give some object Russian name. And now starting to raise the question of what we need to give the name Tatar.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Station Kazan subway, they want to rename.

Valery Khomyakov:Maybe it’s not so bad, but the fact that such an attitude to the citizens or to those organizations who are Muslims who allegedly considered Russian territory, according to the Crimea, our government and the majority of society, may wittingly or unwittingly encourage nationalist currents in the republics where Islam dominates. I would very much like to be wrong, but I fear that such a danger can arise. It is this: “You insult our there, so then let’s call a subway station, but not so.” And nationalism – this thing is so, it arises out of nothing, from scratch, it would seem. And that seems to be now seems peaceful enough, whether in Tatarstan and other republics … Sometimes the spark is enough to blazed that we observe between Armenia and Azerbaijan, and God forbid, if I was right. But I think,

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Mustafa, I know that you do not recognize territorial changes that have occurred over the past two years. Who would you help to influence the situation? Maybe, the Moscow Helsinki Group? Or are you still be equal to the Ukrainian human rights activists?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: First, about Tatarstan. Tatarstan would like to put forward as a mediator. In the early days of the occupation, President of Tatarstan Minnikhanov obscene often came to the Crimea to persuade us that now we will be together with the Russian Federation. A power saw that there was no sense of that mediation, not even harm some … Because somehow become Tatar envoys from Tatarstan reason is not entirely wrong when he explained that this position is not acceptable to us, and them removed. And now there are visitors from Tatarstan virtually none. Basically right now visitors – it is the FSB.

Возникает вопрос: как защитить права крымских татар? Я об этом говорил и в Страсбурге, в Парламентской Ассамблее Совета Европы, в Совете Безопасности 18 марта. Защитить права крымских татар в оккупационном состоянии невозможно. Потому что в Российском государстве отсутствуют демократические свободы. И в оккупированных территориях они, конечно, не будут создавать какой-то демократический анклав. Поэтому единственный путь защиты наших прав – приложить все усилия для того, чтобы агрессор, оккупант покинул нашу территорию. Другого выхода я просто не вижу.

Of course, we are grateful to Kasyanov, who recently said that Crimea one way or another will be returned. And then I called from Moscow and said: “Why do you rely on this Kasyanov In the elections he gets no more than 7-8 percent of the vote?”. I say: “It’s great here is such propaganda, as if all the Russians – that!” Quilted jackets “Still 7-8 percent of normal people you have.”. And thank God, at least some have a layer that understands what’s what, guided by the interests of the people, and not some kind of chauvinistic ambitions. But, of course, sadly, that most glad that they have such a manual bandit that it snapped off part of the territory of another country. It’s very sad. It’s tragic and disastrous for Russia. This occupation, no one will ever admit. In Crimea, there is no prospect not only for the Crimean Tatar people, but also for the entire population. It will be subsidized, decaying region. Even Russian economists have estimated that every year include the Crimea, even in such a depressed state, as now, will cost the Russian budget in the $ 4-5 billion. Therefore, the only way – is the restoration of international law and the maintenance of invaders from our territory.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Can you recognize the jurisdiction of the Strasbourg Court of Human Rights and PACE? Or you do not want to admit that your rights are now being violated on the territory of Russia?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Of course, we treat and will appeal. There is a decision of the Strasbourg Court on specific issues. But Russia is not fulfilling them. It does not fulfill even its own legislation. For example, the prohibition of the Majlis. The accusation is made up of 650 pages – it’s mostly excerpts from my speeches, Chubarov and other members of the Majlis that we do not recognize the occupation, we demand the withdrawal of foreign troops from our territory. And for this reason they say that we are encroaching on the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation and the Russian Federation poses a threat to security. So, the process is not over, not yet read the so-called decision of the court, and the Ministry of Justice has introduced Majlis in its list of banned extremist organizations. Where is the logic here? And recently, it was decided that Russia can not implement the decisions of international courts, including the European Court of Human Rights if they are contrary to the interests of Russia. So what the hell you were then to the European Council ?! There was a duty that you will comply with the decisions of the European Council and the European Court. Well, there is no logic. And we recognize and will recognize the judgments of the European Court.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Yes, the Constitutional Court did not accept to be able to vote to prisoners.

And how many of your like-minded people are now prisoners in Russian prisons?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: In total we have 13 members. There are three categories of prisoners. One category – it is for religious reasons. While there is nothing extremist they did not commit, they only found some literature, a Russian point of view – banned, extremist. The second group – those who met me May 3, 2014. It turns out that they illegally crossed the border. From the point of view of international law it is not a border. They moved from one part of Ukraine in the other. As a result, they have had clashes with riot police.

A third category, in which the sitting and the first deputy of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people Ahtem Chiygoz – this meeting February 26, 2014, before the so-called annexation, before the occupation, to the so-called referendum. The Crimean Tatars were against the attempts of the separatist forces in Crimea joining Russia. Here is the February 26 rally, they are regarded as unauthorized and illegal. And that, on 26 February we had to take permission to hold a rally? They act in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, and there did not have to take permission to hold rallies. Here on such absurd accusations is now Ahtemu Chiygozu faces from 15 and up to 20 years in prison. They believe that he organized a rally against annexation to Russia.

And most importantly – the situation of terror. In total, up to the end of last year was, in my opinion, more than 200 searches in homes, schools, mosques of the Crimean Tatars. 95-96 percent – it searches in the homes and in the schools of the Crimean Tatars.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: We expect that once again will be denied and the Day of memory of victims of deportation. Some hotheads think they can ban and Pushkin’s poem “The Fountain of Bakhchisarai” and mention of the Giray dynasty.

Sourse, 27/04/2016

In Crimea, the situation of fear prevails, the feeling of complete vulnerability to arbitrary

August 22, 2015

Mustafa Dzhemilev, the People’s Deputy of Ukraine, leader of the Crimean Tatar people for many is an example. The man who broke into the ordeal and did not buy generous promises. It is compulsory in their promises and consistent actions. Now, when the Crimea was in the Russian occupation, Mustafa-aga is making for the liberation of their motherland more effort than the Foreign Ministry and other government institutions of Ukraine, together.

Mustafa Dzhemilev in a conversation with “Internet” spoke about his international activities and relations with the Russian justice. He expressed his views on the law that declared annexed Crimea free economic zone and promised that if the corruption loophole is closed, he and his supporters would block the road to the Crimea, on which ride the wagon with food and other goods for the occupants.

– Mr. Cemil, now, when Crimea was annexed by the Russians, where your family lives?

– In Bakhchisarai. I live there my wife and son.

– How often do you see them and how to keep in touch?

– Not very often. Last time my wife and I traveled together in Ankara on Congress. She silent fears often leave the Crimea – the logic of the current Crimean authorities can not understand them at any time may not be allowed back. And there – family, friends, home, elderly mother. In addition, the exit of any national of Crimea is perceived very painfully and disapproval. Like, I invite all to suffer and not to leave the Crimea, while they themselves were taken away their relatives!

– Relatives in the Crimea received Russian passports?

– My wife – no, for it is fundamentally, and daughter also did not get, so it is fired from his job at the Tauride University. But the vast majority of Crimean residents still have to get these passports, because without them there to live virtually impossible – not to seek medical help, or get a job, or to issue the property nor any bureaucratic issues can not be solved without Russian documents.

– What has changed in their reviews are now living in the Crimea?

– Everything they say that in the Crimea is now reigns atmosphere of fear, a feeling of complete vulnerability to tyranny. Even on holidays, at weddings do not have the joy that was before. People are afraid to talk to each other. The social position of the people, with the exception of the military, police and government officials, also deteriorated significantly – reducing wages, reducing purchasing power, high cost, long queues in hospitals, etc. And angry, too, is strictly prohibited, it is only necessary to express joy over the “return” of the Crimea to Russia.

– Even among the Crimean Tatars are afraid to be frank?

– there was a lot of snitches. Yes, and listening devices around them stuffed.

– The Russian authorities are blackmailing you your son. What do they offer you?

– Once in August last year, one of the advisers of the Russian president was Kiev and said that Vladimir Vladimirovich wanted to talk back to me, I said that we can only meet in Kiev, because I was denied entry to Russia. I replied that if I would agree to a meeting, then, depending on what the results will be achieved on it, my son the next day will be at home, and I can safely travel to the Crimea. To this I said to him: “That is Vladimir Vladimirovich is holding my son hostage So he’s a terrorist You tell him that we do not conduct negotiations with terrorists?”.

After it went my statement to the press, he called me and complained that I was about the confidentiality clause told the media. And I say, “So you do not make me indecent proposals”. Now this advisor, apparently for something that does not cope with the task, it is very far distant from Putin.

– What fate awaits Now your son?

– He was sentenced to five years in prison for manslaughter. By all the laws, including the Russian, he should be handed over to Ukraine, because the event took place in the territory of Ukraine, and the victim, and my son, too, are the Ukrainian citizens. My son’s lawyer in court talking about the illegality and illegitimacy of such actions. There is also a decision of the European Court of Human Rights that he be extradited, but Russia is not considered with the verdict and did not even respond to our Ministry of Foreign Affairs requests.

My wife also gave readings there. The court, by the way, took place in Krasnodar, Krasnodar, and in addition the prosecutor at the trial was attended by 2 Prosecutor of Crimea. They also asked some questions that my wife said, “I’m on the question of traitors who have violated the oath of his country, do not answer.”

But the jury – it is, in my opinion, one of those units that the Putin regime is not able to control. Both my wife and daughter said that by the jury to him felt some sympathy. When everything came out of the courtroom, one of the women, the jury wished them: “May God give you good luck!”

– Mustafa-aga, what, in your opinion, Ukraine should pursue a policy in relation to the occupied Crimea? And how do you assess the Law “On free economic zones”, according to which Crimea declared a territory?

– On the topic of the law, I have repeatedly talked with the President and the Prime Minister. This is absurd: the occupied territory are declared free economic zone. Yes, to maintain communication with the peninsula, to ensure movement of citizens need. But our power is all done vice versa – are all sorts of obstacles at the entrance and the entrance to the Crimea with Ukrainian passports of people, representatives of the Diaspora, and to carry loads kilometers of queues trucks that follow almost without any checks.

We even conducted an experiment: sent to a person abroad, he comes to customs with the question as to whether they help hold the wagon, not figuring out what cargo it carries. “$ 500, – says he – and another 500 will have to give the border guards.” As a result, a bargain for a total of $ 800. Without checking, pay – and take me what you want!

All this talk, they say, there live our fellow citizens, they can not be left without food – it is the purest nonsense, it does not care about the citizens, if 90% of imported products in the Crimea and then moves on to Russia. But even that, what remains is primarily for the supply of military units. The shops, of course, also is part.

Without doubt, the main supplier of products to the peninsula – it is Ukraine, and if we do not supply them, where prices rise sharply. Russia will have to diversify the supplies, delivering goods by aircraft and ferries, but they will cost several times more expensive. But we continue to carefully feed the invaders and protect the Russian treasury of additional costs.

– What you said the president of the law on SEZs?

– During our last conversation with him, I said that we will block these columns trucks and special no objection.

And the Cabinet is now drawn up a list of goods that can be passed and in what amount. Also planned to establish hubs in the Kherson region – ie, large markets, where the inhabitants of the Crimea will come to buy food.

– It will be convenient for residents of the Crimea, living close to the border with Kherson region. Others, perhaps, will be expensive to travel?

– They do not care it will cost is 2-2.5 times cheaper than buying products in the Crimea. There will be sold not only products, but also construction materials – cement, crushed stone, etc. for individual use, which are now imported from Ukraine in the Crimea as a free economic zone. But the large-scale importation of trucks these materials to the Crimea, which are used in the construction of landfills for Russian missile systems for nuclear base, which is now settling for Kyzyltash, should not be.

– Mustafa-aga, you Simferopol was a charity fund “Krim”. At the moment he was arrested by the Russian authorities?

– First, they said that the Fund can not function because its founder is a foreign national, that is me. they have made themselves a foreigner. Foundation staff compromised and expelled me from its composition, although the statute is not written that I am the founder, as it is based the decision of the National Congress (Kurultai), and members of his administration also appointed by decision of the National Congress, and I, as chairman of the Majlis, of course, was the president of the Foundation.

The Russian authorities, who came to the Crimea, blocked the activity of the Foundation, and all that belongs to the Fund, and therefore the Majlis – buildings, offices – were arrested.

Moreover, all these assets were purchased by us and is privately owned. For example, building on the street. Schmidt 2 in Simferopol, which is considered an architectural monument, was bought by us many years ago, 40 or 45 thousand. Dollars.

All work carried out to repair the building, should be consistent with the architecture of the Committee. So, apart from the fact that the seizure of property was imposed due to the fact that I – “foreign” citizens, even house arrest because without the consent of the Russian architectural department repair of the roof was carried out there. This is so stupid … Are roof repairs should have been in the Ukrainian Crimea negotiate with Moscow? Well, if you would not have made the repair, then certainly he would have seized because “architectural monument” resulted in a state of neglect.

– That is the repair of the roof was carried out prior to the occupation, and the claims presented to you now?

– Of course. In fact of all the absurd.

– Yes, the Russians in the Crimea does not cease to amaze. Mustafa-aga, you filed suit in Moscow’s Basmanny Court to invalidate the decision of the Federal Migration Service to ban the entry you in Crimea. Why Moscow court?

– The lawsuit filed in the Basmanny Court lawyer, Mark Feigin, which protects our Hope Savchenko. Moreover, not in the hope of obtaining a fair judgment on the abolition of the ban arrogant, but to at least find out – what authority and who is hated this decision.

After all, in our hands is not a single document, where it would say something about the ban. I have in the cordon with Crimea on April 19 last year, just read out the paper on which there was no signature, no seal. The lawsuit was to determine who still ruled the ban. In theory, it was supposed to make the Federal Migration Service, but they say they do not do that. Even information on the prohibition of entry I have on the website of the Military Prosecutor’s Office, but also without specifying who took this decision. There is only a kind of justification for the ban – say, represent a threat to the territorial integrity and security of Russia.

And there are even more voluminous document authorship Crimean prosecutor’s office, in which he explained what I bad person, are gleaned from the Internet “anti-Russian” quotes from my interviews and stuff.

So at the trial it became clear that a decision on me took out the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation, even though it does not fit into the Russian legislation, because it is the prerogative of the Federal Service for Migration. But the document with the FSB, too, so no one has presented. Now we have moved to the next stage of the story, it will conclude that now Mark Feigin is preparing documents for the ECHR.

– And why you turned to Russian lawyer?

– To find out what and where it came from in this case, it is necessary in the territory of Russia. Who is going to file a lawsuit with the ECHR – I or Feigin – whether it is necessary that documents of all levels were collected in Russia. That’s it, Mark does.

– What do you think, whether Ukraine should demand compensation from Russia for the assets in the Crimea? And it will not look as if we sell the Crimea?

– Payment shall be required for damages, for all that they have destroyed, taken away. And it’s time to force this point through the international courts to bring lawsuits Russia, and since it will not pay, then seize the property of Russia abroad. We are late with this case, and “YUKOS” Mihaila Hodorkovskogo, for example, won a lawsuit against the US $ 50 billion and now slowly begins to take the Russian property in some countries. The litigation lasted a long time and this was not easy, but in the “Yukos’ former shareholders eventually won. And here the situation is more obvious than that there – there is a violation not only of the economic rights, and international.

– Mustafa-aga, the decree of President of Ukraine you are appointed by the Commissioner of the Crimean Tatar people. Tell me, how we internally displaced persons from the Crimea?

– Displaced we mainly engaged in charity Crimea-SOS and representative of the UN High Commissariat for Refugees Ukraine, who led Oldrich Andrusek.

Cadence it was over, but instead wanted to appoint a former GDRovskogo Komsomolets, who has close ties with Russia. Our Foreign Ministry is justified objected to his candidacy and now representative of the High Commissioner, as it were, without the boss.

Check with great precision of movement of the inhabitants of the peninsula is impossible. But last year Andrusek said that moved about 10 thousand people, half of them – the Crimean Tatars. Who receives information about 21 000 and about 35 thousand. Slightly more than half of all internally displaced persons from the Crimea up the Crimean Tatars, because for them there is the greatest pressure.

– any cases of human rights violations you have fixed in the Crimea, both in terms of the Crimean Tatars, and the rest of the population. And how do you respond to them?

– We can not control everything, but now we already are building a network of correspondents all over the Crimea. This thing is very expensive and dangerous, because there is shadowing the Russian special services delivered at a high level. We collect information on the lines of the Mejlis also created their own network Crimean News Agency with the center in Kiev and ATR channel.

– What we have today in Ukraine there are programs, projects for the return of the Crimea under the jurisdiction of Ukraine?

– a detailed strategy for the return of the Crimea we do not have. But I expressed my opinion, it is that the military way of Crimea return is not possible, it was necessary to shoot at the beginning, and now, according to various estimates, the peninsula is concentrated from 60 to 80 thousand Russian troops, all dispersed weapons, tanks, missiles. There is also evidence that in Kyzyltash near Yalta restore the nuclear facilities and were seen cars, which have the symbol, a warning about nuclear dangers. But the “Topol”, “Iskander”, “SS-20”, which can carry nuclear weapons, there already is. And in the case of a military conflict, if, God forbid, it will explode even one nuclear warhead, it can be a disaster not only for the Crimea, the whole of Ukraine and Russia, but also for the whole of Europe. In a word,

I believe that the main strategy for the Crimea – sanctions. Therefore, the World Congress of Crimean Tatars, which discussed the issue of Crimea, addressed to the whole world and to the Turkish Government to join the sanctions.

The Russians, of course, very nervous about the Congress, they had set up in the Crimea its Sabbath forcibly assembled state employees, and on their behalf made an appeal to Erdogan that he would not allow the Congress. But Erdogan has not only ensured the smooth conduct of the Congress, but also addressed the delegates with the message, where he said that Turkey will never recognize the occupation and will always strive to restore the territorial integrity of Ukraine, called Crimean Tatars continue their struggle for the liberation of Crimea from the Russian occupation . Around the same vein were the treatment and the Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu.

First, the Russian press gleefully reported that Erdogan “ignored”, did not come to our Congress. But he could not come, because these days, together with the Minister of Foreign Affairs visited Indonesia and Pakistan. The Prime Minister was not there in Ankara. But as soon as they returned to the country, then immediately and the prime minister and the president invited us to a meeting. After that, the tone of the Russian press has become a bilious and angry – both in relation to Erdogan, and in general to the international policy of Turkey.

– The Verkhovna Rada has a sectarian association “Crimea”. Who enters into it, and what do they do?

– No special results of work they do not have, and powers, in general, too, no no. MP Alexey Goncharenko suggested that I led the work of this association, but I refused, and then he himself became head of the group.

We’re talking about what we need to create in the Verkhovna Rada a separate Committee for Crimea and other occupied territories. This issue we will discuss in the near future with the Speaker of BP Vladimirom Groysmanom.

– And what in general there are international projects dealing with the problem of the Crimea?

– Who will be the return of the Crimea, if not ourselves? The international community is merely states that the annexation of the Crimea and the Russian invasion of the territory of Ukraine is illegal and does not recognize Crimea’s accession to Russia.

Penalties – it is their measure of influence on Russia. But the sanctions also affect the economies of those countries that have joined this list. For example, I was in Italy, where Berlusconi’s party and even some party “5 stars” comedian Beppe Grullo in favor of the abolition of the sanctions. This movement is in France. But thank God, these countries have not yet abolished the sanctions and unlikely to be canceled until the liberation of the Crimea, but the Russian secret services are working very hard in this respect – and bribe some politicians or organizations, snapping up even provincial newspapers in the European countries, to apply, as is the case with French delegation, traveling to the Crimea and meetings with the occupation authorities and then repeated their statements to the press that no one’s rights are not violated. Unfortunately, the corrupt and greedy for dirty money people everywhere suffice.

But independent international human rights organizations and the Russian authorities in Crimea is not allowed. Once allowed to enter the Turkish group of independent experts, apparently relying on their loyalty, as Turkey has not yet acceded to the sanctions. First was the question of how the delegation would be to get there: if in Moscow, it will be a violation of Ukrainian sovereignty, if in Kiev, then they were not allowed to Crimea. Then, in a conversation with Erdogan in Kyiv on March 20, I proposed a compromise, the delegation arrived in Kiev, and then went to Moscow and from there to Simferopol. Such an option all arranged, and our Ministry of Foreign Affairs also did not mind.

Following the visit to the Crimea a group of experts presented a report on 20 pages, which was a shock to the Russians, because it shows everything as it really is. After that no uncontrolled Russian mission to the Crimea is no longer allowed. We wish to operate through Russian human rights organizations, but they also create a lot of obstacles to their activities in the Crimea – and delay, and check. I am talking about Russian human rights defenders from the group of dissident hardening – Lyudmile Alekseevoy, for example.

– Mustafa-aga, tell us about your trip to Poland for the presentation of the Solidarity Award. You, as far as I know, offered other nominees for the award?

– The award was given to the daughter of Boris Nemtsov – Jeanne. I, as the first winner of this award, had the right to nominate, and the first name that came to mind then, of course, was Boris Nemtsov – a fearless fighter against the regime, against the occupation of the Crimea, and Russia’s war against Ukraine. Which, by the way, and he knew about it he said at a meeting with me in Kiev, that it was likely soon be killed. But the Polish Solidarity Prize as the Nobel not awarded posthumously. So I made the candidacy of Alexander Podrabinek, who fearlessly fought against the Soviet regime, he spent many years in prisons, camps and exile, and now as hard struggles with the Putin regime. I mentioned this in his speech at the ceremony in Warsaw Award on 6 August.

All nominated candidates were many, about 20 people of European, Asian and African countries, and all of them mentioned in a separate film, which was shown at the ceremony.

Out of all the nominations the jury chose Zhannu Nemtsovu – the daughter of Boris Nemtsov, a courageous and talented journalist who after the death of his father, too, was forced to leave Russia, and works on the radio “Deutsche Welle”. By the way, she said that a significant portion of the premium received will give the families of our “Heavenly hundred”, “Boris Nemtsov Fund” to continue his father’s business, the Crimean Tatar TV channel ATR-in-exile, which is the “bastion of freedom on the peninsula of speech and objective news about the situation” and other charitable projects in Ukraine.

Interviewed by Natalia Kondratieva

Sourse, 21/08/2015

Crimea is not yours

December 3, 2014

In the program “Face-to-event” to “Radio Liberty” – an interview with the leader of the Crimean Tatar people, MP of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Mustafa Dzhemilev about what happened and is happening in Russia annexed Crimea.

Conversations at the international conference in Wroclaw memory of the poet Natalia Gorbanevskaya .

Mikhail Sokolov: Conference “Against war and violence.” Which was held November 29 and 30 in Poland in Wroclaw, it was dedicated to the memory of the poet and human rights activist Natalia Gorbanevskaya, one of the eight people who came to Red Square August 25, 1968, in protest against the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia. Participated in policy discussions, human rights activists, historians, writers from Russia, Ukraine, Poland, the protesters in Red Square in 1968. Pavel Litvinov and Viktor Feinberg. The leader of the Crimean Tatar people Mustafa Dzhemilev spoke about Natalia Gorbanevskaya.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Dear friends, colleagues. A year as dead Natalia Gorbanevskaya. But we, the old dissidents, while we are still alive, perhaps we should talk about Natalia Gorbanevskaya. This is very important, because such people always lacked, then and now, and not to be missed in the future tense.

Already the first document, which was signed by the initiative group – it would appeal to the United Nations Commission on Human Rights, where there were 15 signatures of members of the initiative group, which spoke about the main crimes of the Soviet regime in the field of human rights, including mention of the struggle of the Crimean Tatar people to return to their homeland, about lawlessness of the Soviet authorities. It was one of the first documents, which allowed to bring the Crimean Tatar problem, the problem of the deported people to return to their historical homeland of the world community.

Arrest Natalia Gorbanevskaya very painful blow to the initiative of our group. Because a major role in the collection of materials, drafting, correcting and even many of the documents, which were issued by the initiative group of human rights, Natalia played Gorbanevskaya. There are these words: “And the good and evil – all die, so better to let the good we will remember.” Natalia Gorbanevskaya one of those people who will remember for a long time.

Mikhail Sokolov: “Poetry Natalia Gorbanevskaya inherits Russian civic poetry, with its idealism, the idea of ​​man as a being, longing for justice, sacrifice and unselfish,” – said Grigory Yavlinsky. But, of course, the focus was not only poetry, but also the problems of human rights, ideals that were important for Natalia Gorbanevskaya, were central to her life.

The son of Natalia Gorbanevskaya – Jaroslav urged the authorities of Western countries demand that the Russian release of all political prisoners.

Jaroslav Gorbanevsky: Today I am in Wroclaw on the anniversary of my mother’s memory, which stands for your freedom and ours. For the freedom of all, in particular, for freedom of political prisoners. If we celebrate the memorial of her reward with something or just remember, just honestly could say: It stands for freedom, let us do as well as she did. We love her, we honor it, let’s do what she would have asked us to do. So today I asked Poland to those whose words at the official level is important, with a request: say three sentences, speaking officially, openly, publicly, tell those three phrases to release Russian prisoners.

Mikhail Sokolov: “Polish society is one in relation to assessment of the events in Ukraine and the aggression against it”, – said the president of the Polish Institute of National Remembrance Lukasz Kaminski. The famous Polish sociologist and translator of Adam Pomorsky believes that Putin managed to just a year to destroy what happened in Europe in the last quarter of a century.

At an international conference in Wroclaw, a resolution was adopted with the assessment of what is happening in Russia and Ukraine:

“We, the participants of the international conference” Days of memory Natali Gorbanevskoy “urge the Russian people do not support a regime that leads to disaster.

We appeal to the governments and citizens of the free world: do not throw the Ukraine alone. Stop Russian aggression.

We, friends and colleagues Natali Gorbanevskoy, appeal to the governments and citizens of the free world: ask the Russian authorities to release all political prisoners. “

The resolution is very important, – says human rights activist and historian Alexander Daniel:

At the international conference “Against war and violence” in the center of attention and was the Crimean Tatar issue.

About what is happening in the Crimea, now in the “Face-to-event”, we talk with the leader of the Crimean Tatar human rights movement, a deputy of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Mustafa Dzhemilev.

Mustafa, I would like to start a little distance in the same sense as were the relations of the Crimean Tatar people with the Ukrainian authorities in Crimea. Because today on this topic a lot of different fantasies, talk about what you and discriminated against in Ukraine. Like going back?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Definitely, that any coherent policy of the Ukrainian state system against the Crimean Tatar people as an indigenous people of the peninsula, was not. Yes, Ukraine has declared that it recognizes the illegal deportation of the Crimean Tatars, has committed itself to solve all the social and legal problems of the Crimean Tatar people. In practice, it has done very little. We, the Crimean Tatars did not return what was illegally taken away.

On the one hand this is understandable. What to do with, say, the people who live in our homes. The state in this respect, has said that it is the best of its capabilities will solve social problems through the provision of the budget year in accordance with their capabilities, but stood minuscule, it did not cover a tenth of what is needed, not even was the fact income taxes, which was obtained in the Crimean Tatars working.

In general, the attitude of the Ukrainian establishment to the Crimean Tatars was such as to the voters. Upcoming elections, they proceed from the fact that the Crimean Tatars have consolidated electorate, the vast majority decision of its highest representative body of the Mejlis, the Kurultai, therefore, agreed with Parliament to the effect that we support them in the elections, and if they win, introduce some of its passage list one or two, depending on the capabilities of this political party, our representatives.

But Majlis has its basic principles. For example, even if the Communist Party offered us their entire list to give, we would not have voted. We have always supported the principle of national-democratic forces, they usually do not come to power. There was one case when Yushchenko was president, the party came to power. Then they began discord, they not only failed to fulfill the promises against the Crimean Tatars, but also generally in relation to other voters, too.

Worse it was the part of those who came to power. They are, as a rule, relied on in Russian, chauvinistic electorate. To us it was, at least, indifference, hostility under Yanukovych. Accordingly, the problem is not solved. If the Crimean Tatars in the autonomy is 14%, then in the structures, as we shall find in the local or regional elections executive, representative government depended places, and in the executive power structure the percentage of Crimean Tatars did not exceed 2.5-3%, that is discrimination 4-5. Accordingly, no other problems were solved. Not because Ukraine was chauvinistic, great-approach to the Crimean Tatars. Due, in particular, the fact that the Crimea – is a region where the vast majority are ethnic Russian, who moved primarily, more than 80%

The stereotype, which was implemented for decades, that drove away it is true that they are traitors, all of this favorably perceived by them, give peace of mind, as they took home, whom they sent to death, and then it turns out, it turns out, that they are bad. Here is the promotion lasted for many years, and it was passed down from generation to generation.

Mikhail Sokolov: Crimean authorities with those who led the executive branch, could agree, or they had a special respect for its Kiev, more rigid with respect to the Crimean Tatar people politics?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Definitely all, who heads the executive branch can not. Were more or less pragmatic, to the best of their abilities a little bit more far-sighted than towards others. The last prime minister of Mogilev, ardent chauvinist who in the press openly justified the deportation of Crimean Tatars, said it was the “fifth column”. What can you negotiate with them? Respectively had the chauvinistic policy. He fully supported, as well as his chief of Yanukovich, a pro-Russian on the Russian majority. In between, there were some people, such as the Prime Minister Kunitsyn or Speaker of the Verkhovna Rada Gritsenko, who understood that if you do not solve the problem of the Crimean Tatars, then this is the way to conflict, then they will not be able, and for ourselves to get something. That is a more pragmatic, more prone to the Crimean Tatars.

Mikhail Sokolov: Did you have any suggestions that might be organized in the Crimea coup with the participation of Russian law enforcement agencies, with the participation of Aksenov groups, and so on?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: For a long time, my view was that the current situation in Russia is unlikely to direct annexation, most likely Russia will always create tensions, create problems Ukraine to the fact that they could not create an independent policy. But the fact that so and will move its troops, chop off another part of the territory, in the twenty-first century, it seemed incredible. But after the 2008 Russian-Georgian war, I was probably one of the first, which opened in the press, in the newspaper “Day” said that next in line could be Ukraine. I even said so, that repeated a similar scenario. If, for example, in Georgia, South Ossetia and Abkhazia strenuously heard Russian passports, then about the same thing happens. I cited statistics on how much we have in the Crimea there is people who have Russian passports, analysis of the elections to the authorities of Russia. Sets the polling stations, and those who have Russian passports, vote. Based on the fact that it was not quite comfortable to come from one village to another in the elections, we did this offer and come to the conclusion that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel. who have Russian passports, vote. Based on the fact that it was not quite comfortable to come from one village to another in the elections, we did this offer and come to the conclusion that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel. who have Russian passports, vote. Based on the fact that it was not quite comfortable to come from one village to another in the elections, we did this offer and come to the conclusion that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel. that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel. that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel.

I also said that a serious threat to the security of Ukraine is the Black Sea fleet, so you should immediately proceed to the denunciation of the contract with Russia on the Black Sea Fleet. Although I suggest what may be the cost, what penalties, but the security interests should be paramount. Of course, to take a course to join the North Atlantic alliance.

But authorities did exactly the opposite. It was still under Yushchenko, and after a while came to power Yanukovych, it is not something to denounce, the term had come to an end in 2017, it extended for another 25 years under the pretext that Putin promised to reduce the price of gas at one hundred dollars per thousand cubic meters. This, in my view, was a real betrayal. No wonder at the statement, upon ratification of this treaty were just fights in the parliament. But the power they have, and they were able to push through it.

So later I saw an analytical report of the Security Service of the Crimea to his superiors in Kiev, where about my statement saying that the Majlis takes a provocative attitude, actions are aimed to spoil fraternal relations between the two countries. That is, we are provocateurs, because we want to withdraw the Black Sea Fleet.

Summing up, I want to say that there have been indications that this can happen, though not fully believe it. Moreover, that the head of state for a few months before, when he was asked the question, that, well, there is talk that the Russian claim to Crimea, how do you assess, it clearly states that this is nonsense, it’s nonsense, it provocation, we respect the state border of Ukraine, is coming up with different provocateurs. And suddenly this development. Arguments to justify this policy and the introduction of its troops on our territory, of course, does not stand up to scrutiny. The claims that if the Ukraine to establish a fascist regime, Bandera, that there almost chase through the streets and kill everyone who is not a fascist – it was such wildness directly posed on its head.

 with full responsibility that in all the years of Ukraine’s independence is now just after Independence and Revolution, established in all branches of government, the executive and the Cabinet of Ministers, the Verkhovna Rada most that eat the most democratic system of governance.

Please note though that we have parliamentary speaker with a typical Ukrainian surname Groisman, Interior Minister Avakian. There generally are not interested in the nationality of the one prescribed.

Such wild fancies as if created a threat to the Russian-speaking population in the regions, especially in the depths of Russia, who did not know that we have going on, it may be held.

Mikhail Sokolov: Still grouping Aksenov, what is it? You come across these people? They got 3 or 5% in the last election and now they are the real power.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Since 2009, they could not be heard on the political horizon, but in 2009 they created a group called “Russian unity”, this populist theme that Russian should unite to defend their rights. Pro-Russian rhetoric has been a lot of that is historical, but frankly, it is necessary to separate the Crimea from Ukraine and Russia attach to such slogans they had, but was clearly pro-Russian. We knew that he was very powerfully supported by a neighboring state, and not very successful, because it is a serious election votes are not typed. At the same time, it was known that this Aksenov named “Goblin” has managed to place in different power structures, primarily in the prosecutor’s office, his men, who defended them when they came across a not very nice things. But still, of course, governed from the Kremlin, Moscow, itself the Goblin could not do anything until you go to some order. All revolutions, it is no secret, it is not carried out “Russian unity”, and specific powers which belong to the Russian military.

Mikhail Sokolov: If we talk about the events of the beginning of the winter and spring, say, February, was there a real opportunity to confront once this coup, say, the same Crimean Tatars, who took to the streets, and then somehow disappeared from the streets?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I can say that for 100% could resist, if not for the intervention of the neighboring country. Because seized Parliament, the Council of Ministers of autonomy is not Russian bloc and the so-called “little green men” – a cadre people trained terrorists with all equipment. Therefore, it was not, someone who will overcome on the Crimean peninsula, there is dictated by external forces.

Mikhail Sokolov: It was not here for your mistakes? Demonstrations, in my opinion, continued for three days, then somehow were discontinued. If the demonstrations continued, maybe Putin does not want to take the risk?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Completely eliminate what you said, it is also impossible, this view has a right to exist. But as the events unfolded. What this rally going? To Parliament adopted the decision that they were motivated by the Kremlin, to accede to Russia. Accordingly, the Crimean Tatars were against. Failed. This is the 26th confrontation, they collected three or four thousand of his supporters brought up by buses from all edges, including Sevastopol. Crimean Tatars, there were three or four times more pushed.

The very next day the room occupied by terrorists. These terrorists have a pass allowed deputies at the entrance to the Parliament have seized mobile phones, in front of each stand when put to the vote, keep track of who like to vote, and like they scored either 56, or 57 votes, but there were only 46 votes, according to some reports. However, they declared that the deputies voted to join Russia. Even if it was 90%, still it is illegitimate.

What kind of parliament where the barrel behind you indicate how to vote. There are people, of course, can be and have been inclined to vote for certain decisions, but they are likely to vote when they will be paid, but not when forced to. There simply forced. Already carried out any actions aimed at the liberation of the occupied territories, it was obvious bloodshed. Also in Kiev, we were asked not to go, not to provoke, not to allow that Putin was a reason for the introduction of troops. There even was talk that preparing provocations that have had to find two or three dead Russian soldiers, of course, killed the Crimean Tatars, then start a campaign against the Crimean Tatars. We are seriously afraid of this and warned the press that there are our sources of information. They are the soldiers did not kill. Crimean Tatars,

Mikhail Sokolov: You can specify: Kiev – who is this? These people have families, and so on?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Then was the speaker of the Verkhovna Rada of Turchynov, Prime Minister Yatsenyuk. I’m not going to blame them, their order can be correctly and completely wrong. That’s right, if there really ready for something bloody, and they acted very humanely, saying he did not go out and do not lose their lives. And if this confidence was not simply give in to terrorists, to leave them unpunished, moreover, had the opportunity to neutralize them and do not do – is, of course, raises a number of questions as to why it was not done.

Mikhail Sokolov: I understand that at this stage the victims were just among the Crimean Tatars, a man was killed there. It was possible to find out what happened and who’s to blame him?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: It is not these days, later it was. March 3 area came Crimean Tatar, Ukrainian flag wrapped, said he was against the occupation, it was then in front of all the people was pushed into a car and drove away. Then a week later his body was found with signs of violence, tied with adhesive tape, to the naked eye it was clear that killed stabbed in the eye. The fact that this operation vykradyvaniyu human and murder carried out so-called “self-defense”, where all the thugs in the Crimea, we had no doubt. The fact that the FSB and then say that they can not identify, can not be established – is babbling. If YouTube can recognize who pushes him, the experts have been even more so. This concerns not only the first but also the subsequent vykradyvany people.

Mikhail Sokolov: We stayed on repression. The repression against the Crimean Tatars from the people who occupied the Crimea, they almost immediately started after the occupation?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: We have accurate information that the Russian political establishment had a dual attitude to the developments in Crimea and, in particular, in relation to the Crimean Tatars. Part of the establishment came from the fact that the Crimean Tatars have to agree, especially with Parliament, because the vast majority of Crimean Tatars are guided by the Majlis. This explains the invitation to Moscow for talks, the arrival of numerous delegations from Russia, Tatarstan, Bashkortostan, to negotiate with the Majlis of the Crimean Tatar people.

Mikhail Sokolov: We can remember how there was this type of negotiation process that they are offered to you?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: From the outset, they had prepared, and even adopted a draft resolution of the Verkhovna Rada of the Autonomous Republic, where Crimean Tatars 23% of guaranteed representation in all structures of power in all branches of government, including in parliament. That is allocated a quota under this quota choose themselves Crimean Tatars. The functioning of the Crimean Tatar language as one of the official on the territory of Crimea. Thirdly, the return of the Crimean Tatars, who were forced to lie outside of the Crimea. It was assumed that the measures will be taken public, including financial ones, in order to facilitate their return to the territory of Crimea. What will be restored historical place names of the Crimea – it is more than 1,200 settlements, which at one time after the deportation of the Crimean Tatars were Russified: Tank, Armored,

And most significant is that these people, who came to power and brought them, the “Goblin”, I mean Aksenov, who poison breathed in the Majlis, always stated that it is an illegal structure, so-and-so, all of a sudden in this decision stated that they will be officially recognized, the Crimean Tatar Kurultai and Majlis. That is, there was such a direct calculation that the Crimean Tatars to celebrate, to cling to these opportunities and say how happy they are to be in the Russian Federation. But this is not passed.

The upper hand in policy toward the Crimean Tatars began to occupy the “hawks”, who initially said that the Tatars Crimean impossible to negotiate, especially with Parliament, so you need to act only traditional exhaust not only in Soviet Russia, but also in pre-revolutionary methods separation of the Crimean Tatars into good and bad, the repression that, in fact, done.

Mikhail Sokolov: What kind of repression took place today?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Mass no arrests have massive searches under the pretext that they allegedly looking for weapons, in some cases, they say the drugs, although it seems absurd, with no data, they say, Behold, we are looking for drugs. Weapons, drugs, and the third, the most vulnerable – is the search for banned books. They made a list of forbidden books of more than 2600 titles, but this is an incomplete list.

We first talked about 40 searches the Crimean Tatars in their homes, mosques, schools, and they turned out to be much larger. Some houses were searched and immediately threatened that if someone knows about it, then let him think about the children. Closed searches were carried out mainly by so-called “self-defense”. They were taken during the search, not only as a traditional FSB conducts searches, seized computers, materials, they still grab that will attract them.

Mikhail Sokolov: “self-defense” forces – what is this? It’s illegal armed formation of Russian legislation?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Illegal, but they wanted to legalize, prepared a draft resolution, it is volunteers who are patriotic reasons.

Mikhail Sokolov: Type the terrorists?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: The guards did not have guns, and they – and their body armor and equipment, machines, all they have.

Mikhail Sokolov: So it’s actually a gang. What quantity of these gangs?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Hard to say, a few hundred. To my mind. May 3, when I do not miss, Aksenov issued the call to gather all the members of groups “self-defense”, wherever they were, they say, is about to start a war with the Crimean Tatars.

Mikhail Sokolov: On May 3. As I understand it, when you did not miss, people have been trying somehow to express his opinion, the demonstration carried out now, as I understand it, are repression, searches and arrests?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: yesterday reported that the arrested four people accused in the case that he had illegally crossed the state border between the Crimea and Ukraine, from the point of view of international law is absurd, at 100%, you can be sure that the European Court of Human Rights is do not recognize.

They formed the gang mainly of so-called Cossacks, former gebistov who were werewolves, who served in the Security Service of Ukraine, but among them there are those who have never been in the Crimea, so to speak softer.

They basically do the dirty work, they are not an independent force. I am absolutely certain that if the central Russian government was interested in the fact that they were not idle, then so be it was. We have the impression that this was done deliberately in order to intimidate people, to force ourselves to leave the territory of Crimea.

Mikhail Sokolov: The case of the third, as I understand it, is used in the same spirit as the “swamp thing” in Russia, to intimidate people. Are there any prospects that it can grow?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: expanding, looking to what extent. If it’s a bloody showdown, the Majlis will make every effort, that it was not, because it would mean the death of our people.

Mikhail Sokolov: If even a few dozen people arrested?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: There are different options. They came to me people who said that we are also able to easily steal them. I said that we can not go on this way, we are not terrorists, we are not going to steal one. That is, I come to a standstill, it is difficult to answer unequivocally. When your rights are harshly suppressed, bullied, whether it is necessary to respond with violence? It seems to be logical, to your land came the soldiers of another country, dictates the rules, he put on you bastards, that humiliate your dignity. Exit what? Well, war, shot one, two, three, they are the same in a few hours, especially now, when the trap snapped shut, no were not allowed there, without any witnesses, can do anything you want, and then press to declare that the Crimean Tatars fought among themselves, the different clans killed themselves.

Mikhail Sokolov: So you are for non-violent resistance?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I would not say in the absolute non-violent. We have on this subject often appeared that there is no alternative. If the armed forces should adhere to the principle of nonviolence, why do they need, what machines, which should never shoot? In the military department has its own standard of behavior should have been, it may be there, but it was not observed. According to various estimates, there were about 14,000 armed forces on the territory of Crimea. Conditions in order to participate in the war, not what win any concessions to get their rights – it was unreal.

Mikhail Sokolov: We often hear that Ukraine has made a mistake, if it had at least a minimal resistance in the Crimea, there would be no hike Strelkova in Donbass and other actions.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: we have a lot to discuss on this topic. Arguments such that, say, guided by humane considerations, not to dying people. Why then keep the army? Who wants to come, chop off, which you need to territory. For the military is not an argument, not to resist.

This is largely demoralized in some way, and those citizens who remained in the Crimea loyal to their state. They were amazed at how this is so, a weapon that is bought at the expense of the taxpayers, just as the aggressor. There are other reasons, it turns out, did not want to provoke, like people did not die.

Mikhail Sokolov: As a result, they do not die in the Crimea and the Donbas.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: And die in the Crimea.

Mikhail Sokolov: What is the current economic situation in the Crimea, according to your data? What is happening and what is going on with the same Crimean Tatars, still they are in the agricultural sector is largely involved?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: None agriculture or tourism, which was one of the main sources of income in the Crimea, now do not have to say, because who wants to relax in the occupied territory, besides not go any traffic reports, no planes, no boats.

Mikhail Sokolov: prices are rising?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: prices are rising, but the Russian government has raised some salaries and pensions, too. By many indicators that tell me this in some way compensates for the fact that prices have risen. Therefore, the money received would like a little more, but also have to spend more on the same products. This is one.

Secondly, the threat to agriculture. It’s no secret that more than 80% of water, including irrigation purpose water comes from the mainland. If you block the water, and she was partially blocked because something is destroyed, then the autonomous republic no other way to try to solve to get water from underground sources, and use this water to irrigate the land – it’s just a crime, causing great environmental damage . But with no other choice, they do it. They have caused great damage to the ecology of the Crimea is due to the fact that the drilled, fetched water to watered.

Mikhail Sokolov: Say, can we say that Crimea is an economic blockade on the part of Ukraine after the adoption of the law on the occupied territories?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: No there is no blockade. Even we have information that the time since the occupation of the Crimean port of call in 69 vehicles.

Mikhail Sokolov: It is almost a year?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: If we assume that in March-April to date. I say 69 because the number was exactly in the list of names of ships that call at ports of Crimea, Attorney General of illegal crossing of the territory, including entering our territorial waters.

Mikhail Sokolov: The ships do not come legally, agriculture in poor condition, and people than live?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Most jobs servicing the military complex. They launched a very large military preparations. Yesterday came from the Crimea, said that a huge amount of cement being taken, where used to be a nuclear repository, all signs want to restore it.

Across the road the Crimea build, is clearly not in order to make people comfortable, and for military purposes, especially in the northern parts. Openly say that military action will begin soon on the border between the Crimea and Kherson area. Due to this, in the main.

In this situation, the Crimean Tatars is very difficult. Because if you’re doing a job that serves the military, you have to give the oath of allegiance to Russia. Someone in desperation goes for it. At this very well speculate Russian media, be sure to remove, will be shown on the Internet, how to swear allegiance to Russia.

Mikhail Sokolov: The bridge will be built in the Crimea, do you think? Something that will change fundamentally?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Regarding the construction of the bridge, at the time it was engaged and Hitler did not succeed. Maybe if I exert some effort. But this bridge is illegal because it has to be agreed with the Ukrainian government.

Mikhail Sokolov: What do you propose to do now Crimean Tatars, you – the leader of the Majlis, you are on the territory of Ukraine, you home is not allowed, and what do the people who were left?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: It’s hard sitting in Kiev, give instructions, from our point of view, the most correct. People there are very hard. Of course, we’d love to have one of the Crimean Tatars did not take Russian citizenship, so they boycotted. But this is impossible, impossible. Would that they are empty of peace, but the resistance of rallies, demonstrations.

It also let to mass arrests, top kills. Therefore, we stick to the traditional way – non-violent resistance, defending their dignity. This is not entirely successful, because there is such a massive pressure, such as never was under Soviet rule.

Mikhail Sokolov: There collaborators?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: A Frenchman once said: if some people do not drug addicts, prostitutes, traitors, what kind of a nation? Of course, there will probably be. The main thing is that their number was not some sort of critical mass.

I can say that with this case from the Russian occupation authorities is very great difficulties. Yes, they recruit someone, put on some positions, while at the same time do spit, they say that there is nobody behind them, their people despise, arms not served. Keep what you have. Of course there will, probably.

Mikhail Sokolov: Do you regret that in Tatarstan President Putin failed to agree somehow or the other way around, which is not declared him a tougher stance?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I without offense, but said its tough stance. When Putin said that to solve all the problems of the Crimean Tatars, I did not refuse this aid, of course, Russia is responsible for the situation in which we find ourselves. We were a part of Russia, when we were deported. Be so kind as to solve issues following the withdrawal of your troops from our territory. Decide at the negotiating table with our guidance. And to ensure that these negotiations take place, again, you need to withdraw its troops. Putin, too, thought that if the mountain to promise things, the more given that the Crimean Tatars and the Ukrainian authorities were in the same position, for some reason they hoped that we easily persuaded. Since this did not happen, they are focused on their traditional methods – repression, attempts to split and so on.

Mikhail Sokolov: What will you do in the Verkhovna Rada is now, in the new structure?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I have always said and say that alone solve the problem of the Crimean Tatars without reference to the problems of the whole of Ukraine is impossible. Of course, we will strive to a sharp improvement in the economic situation in Ukraine, strengthening defense capabilities. Because that’s exactly what if our defenses were not in such a catastrophic situation, as in recent years our President Yanukovych, Putin would hardly have brought their troops.

Of course, we will work a lot at the international level, because the Western countries should fulfill their commitments. Even it’s not that they were concerned about Ukrainians and Crimean Tatars, everyone has their own interests. Because if you close your eyes to this international robbery in the XXI century – is the way to a very large disaster.

Mikhail Sokolov: “Our country is in danger tanks in a strange land” – these words said to the invasion of Czechoslovakia by Russian poet Alexander Galich. Today, the Russians have the right to repeat these words.

Today, the Russian tanks again in a strange land, people today again imprisoned, because they are fighting for freedom. It is a threat to all of us. For our freedom and yours!

Sourse, 02/12/2014

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Crimean Tatars: the nation’s tragedy

April 28, 2016

Ban the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people has strongly condemned the US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland. Speaking April 27 during his visit to Kiev, she stressed that this outrageous decision violates the democratic rights of the entire “historical community.”

The EU called the ban the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people, a serious attack on the rights of the Crimean Tatars and evidence of further deterioration of the human rights situation in Russia annexed Crimea. This is stated in the statement of the European External Action Service.

“It is necessary without delay to ensure full compliance with international standards of human rights and other obligations under international law, in particular, in this case in relation to the Crimean Tatars community”, – the statement says.

April 26 Russian-controlled Crimea Supreme Court acknowledged Majlis extremist organization and banned its activities on Russian territory. Thus I was satisfied the claim of the Crimean prosecutor Natalia Poklonsky, which accused the Majlis in the anti-Russian activities.

Tragic history and current problems of the Crimean Tatar people to discuss politics Mustafa Dzhemilev (Kyiv), the political analyst Valery Khomyakov , the journalist Eider Muzhdabaev (Kiev).

Moderator – Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior .

Vladimir Kara-Murza, Sr.: The EU called the ban the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people, a serious attack on the rights of the Crimean Tatars and evidence of further deterioration of the human rights situation in Russia annexed Crimea.

On Tuesday, the Russian-controlled Crimea Supreme Court recognized the Majlis extremist organization and banned its activities on Russian territory. Thus, the request Natalia Poklonsky, Crimean prosecutor was satisfied that the Majlis has accused of anti-Russian activities.

Tragic history and current problems of the Crimean Tatars, we will discuss with our guest – political analyst Valeriem Homyakovym.

Valery, whether offensive to all the people the motivation to deport him because they collaborated with the German occupiers?

Valery Khomyakov:This is an old story. Of course, in every nation, including in Russian, in the war years were, to put it mildly, the traitors, collaborators. They were also among the Chechen people, and among the Crimean Tatars. But because of this, should not suffer the nations as a whole. And here we are seeing a massive attempt to present the enemy all the Crimean Tatar people – as well as others, in particular Kalmyks … I lived as a child in the Altai region, and I had a friend – Kalmyk, who was with his family to get evicted. This happened a long time ago. And when allowed, they returned to Kalmykia. Here the story is more tragic because the Crimean Tatars were able to return to the Crimea alone, in my opinion, in the late ’80s, under Gorbachev, if I do not get them mixed up. Of course, it is an insult. To them in everyday life looked upon as some traitors, fascist hirelings. All this affects the relationship of the Crimean Tatars in the circles in which they lived. This Stalinist attempt to present the people as their enemies of the fatherland, of course, terrible.

Unfortunately, what we are seeing is, in part looks like this, including the recent decision of which you have said. Although it was preceded by a lengthy process. It is not easy to feed Mrs. Poklonsky all it appeared. After the Crimea was annexed to the Russian Federation, as far as I know, we were set up parallel to the Crimean Tatar structure. They created three for two years, – sworn allegiance to Moscow to agree with everything. And creates an illusion: think of it, the Majlis – the body established at the time the Kurultai, and in fact all Crimean Tatars rallied around the governor of the Kremlin in the Crimea – Mr. Aksenov.

На мой взгляд, дело обстоит не так. Подобного рода вещи практиковались, практикуются и будут практиковаться. Что, на мой взгляд, не приводит к тем результатам, которые замышляли их инициаторы. Расколоть крымский народ не удастся. Были отдельные люди, которые в годы войны сотрудничали с немецкими оккупантами, и сейчас есть нечто подобное. Но в целом крымский народ, как мне кажется, един в своем желании сохранить свою самобытность, свои обычаи. Он един в желании не подвергаться давлению из Москвы, из Киева или еще откуда-то. Это закаленные люди. В генах этих людей – стремление сохранить свое достоинство. А сейчас мы видим попытки растоптать это достоинство – попытки крайне неуклюжие, о чем достаточно справедливо заметил Евросоюз.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: We connected Mustafa Dzhemilev, the former Soviet political prisoner, leader of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people, MP of the Verkhovna Rada.

Mustafa, held true whether the rehabilitation of the Crimean Tatars after Stalin’s deportation?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: No Ukraine deported Crimean Tatars and the Soviet Union. Therefore, it was the adoption of the law on the restoration of political and social rights of the Crimean Tatar people. The Ukrainian parliament has been quite a lot of forces that resist it – pro-Russian forces, the Communists. It was not possible. But after the occupation, somewhere this law was passed in the 20 days of March. There clearly is called deportation as a crime against humanity, and adopted a series of measures aimed at restoring. But time has been lost. This law should have been taken long ago.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: And who of Russian dissidents and human rights activists fought along with you for the restoration of the rights of your people? Everyone remembers the fate of General Grigorenko. What was this man?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Our national movement was democratic, so it attracted the sympathy of many human rights defenders, enlightened people. Among the Russian intelligentsia, one of the first who spoke out in defense of the rights of the Crimean Tatar people was writer Aleksey Kosterin. He drew attention to this problem General Pyotr Grigorenko. By the time he was a political prisoner. And somewhere in the 66-year, in my opinion, he is actively involved in our national movement. You could say he was one of the authorities. In those days in the homes of the Crimean Tatars could often be seen portraits are not only veterans of the national movement, but Petra Grigorenko. Indeed, it was a very brave man who did everything in his power. He has made an invaluable contribution to our national movement, and primarily in the promotion,

And it must be said about Sakharov, who was connected to the issue later, but he was also very effective in its activities in support of our national movement.

If we follow the trials of the national movement activists, among them there were a lot of Russian, Ukrainian, Baltic defenders who in one way or another in contact with the national movement of the Crimean Tatars, and expressed to him the solidarity support. And you’re right: Pyotr Grigorenko – it is the brightest figure in our national movement.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: recently filmed a feature film about the tragedy of your people. But it is still not allowed on the Russian screen. Remind them that it is for the film, and why he has such a hard fate rolling.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: This is the first and only feature film on the subject. Our entrepreneur to finance it. It is called “Haytarma”. Haytarma – is a dance, but then “Haytarma” – a return to his homeland. The film speaks of deportation. According to some estimates, something softened. A pro-Russian people say it shows too cruel. From our point of view, the film turned out to be very successful.

And Russia is reviving the Stalinist regime, at least – in the occupied Crimea. And any films, books exposing the Soviet government policies perceived as an insult to the Russian people and the Russian Federation.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Valery, after the deportation of only two people not been restored statehood – a Volga Germans and Crimean Tatars. Why Khrushchev was afraid to return to their statehood?

Valery Khomyakov: Hard to say, because of what is happening. There are many cities in the Saratov region, where the Volga Germans lived before the war was a republic of the Volga Germans. Apparently, the Soviet Union then leaders feared would create a kind of enclave that is because of their dissatisfaction with the fact that they were driven at the time from their homes, to create a structure that can be “total maverick.”

Chechens and Kalmyks returned to their land, gained statehood, at least, that they now have in the form of republics within the Russian Federation. But the Crimean Tatars and Volga Germans fate was more tragic. Many Germans have left their historical homeland, because the law of the Federal Republic of Germany, ethnic German is actually considered to be a citizen of the Federal Republic of Germany. A Crimean Tatars go particularly nowhere. Someone went to a variety of reasons, but mostly they are somehow tied to the land where they were born. Crimea for the Crimean Tatars – this is the Promised Land, they were born there, and much earlier, than there came the Russian troops. This distinguishes the fate of the Volga Germans from the fate of the Crimean Tatars, which, unfortunately, is not so happy as we would like.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Let’s listen to a journalist Eider Muzhdabaeva, deputy director general of the Crimean Tatar TV channel the ATR, which believes that the ban Majlis almost impossible.

Eider Muzhdabaev: prohibitions against the Majlis – a symbolic act, since it is impossible to ban the Mejlis, because he was never officially registered. This Crimean Tatar self-government, which is almost 30 years old. Therefore, the ban in formal terms is negligible.

And with the actual point of view, this means not ban the Mejlis, and the fact that they facilitate the process itself of repression against the Crimean Tatars. That is no longer necessary to prove fictitious guilt – some phony terrorism, which they can not nobody “sew” in the Crimea for two years looking for weapons and explosives in their homes, but nothing, of course, can not be found. Will not need to ascribe any other illegal actions – mass disorders, which are trying to concoct criminal cases, the reason for that, too, of course, was not. All this bogus charges. They are tired of this formality, as in his time Stalin NKVDshniki tired of the first trials. So they then came up with the “troika” and the people began to quickly judge and destroy the plant. The same purpose, there are in the decision. Accused of involvement in the Majlis of Crimean Tatar can be any. Now, any book with a portrait of Cemil will be the basis for the Russian court. Gates for mass repressions opened.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Mustafa, remind, please, what was the statutory objectives of the Mejlis, speaking bureaucratic language? For which he was created?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: It is the representative body of the Crimean Tatar people, which defends the rights of the Crimean Tatars in local government, that is to promote and co-operation with the authorities to solve our problems, as well as to represent Crimean Tatars at the international level. Before ’91, when it was created our first Kurultai and Majlis elected, we can say that a full representative of the Crimean Tatar people was the National Movement of Crimean Tatars. A 89-year – The organization of the Crimean Tatar national movement.

And in the run-up of the Soviet Union, when there was a “restructuring”, it was possible to hold elections – though not quite openly, but, nevertheless, there was such an opportunity – decided to establish a representative body of the Crimean Tatars, who is elected directly by the people, regardless whether it is involved in the national movement or not. And here on the principle of “one delegate to the national convention of thousands of people” across the Soviet Union, where Crimean Tatars lived, held elections of delegates. So, these delegates were chosen at the national congress of 250 people. He was called the Second National Congress, because the First National Congress was in the 17th year of its shot by the Bolsheviks. And the National Congress elected by ballot 33 human members of the Majlis for five years – is the executive body of the Kurultai of the Crimean Tatar people. But this is the tip of the iceberg.

Then came the elections of local and regional Mejlis in all the places of residence of the Crimean Tatars. Thus, the last elections were in 2012, at the time of the occupation of the Crimea were about 230 local and regional majlis, which involved a total of 2 000 300 people. Therefore, when we speak of the prohibition of the Majlis – is not only a ban on 33 persons, but also the entire system of the national government of the Crimean Tatar people. That is only 2 thousand 300 local and regional members of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people, the Kurultai delegates in total – somewhere in the 2.5 thousand people. In accordance with the logic of the Russian law they are called extremists. And the one who helps or elect these “extremists” – is also a kind of “extremists.” And it turns out that almost all Crimean Tatar people can be called “

So now, maybe not immediately, but it offers scope for large-scale repression against the whole of the Crimean Tatar people.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Eider Muzhdabaev believes that the international community is powerless to help the Crimean Tatars.

Eider Muzhdabaev: The international community can not do anything other than allegations. In general, none of the Crimean Tatars is not acting, except a tiny group of conscientious people in Russia. It will, of course, to the massive repression against the Crimean Tatars. And most importantly – to the atmosphere of total fear. Already, people are on the phone talking very cautiously, afraid to say an extra word. I know the atmosphere among the Crimean Tatars – it is terrible, this atmosphere of insecurity, injustice, in the 30s.

They should completely suppress the Crimean Tatar people, to destroy it as an entity, leave it only as a screen, to in some celebrations people trained tray pasties and kissed portraits of Putin. They also understand that the Crimean Tatars will never put up with this, will never recognize the results of the illegal conduct and fraudulent, shameful referendum in which 97 percent of the allegedly favored the Crimea joining Russia. Of course, this is complete nonsense. Crimean Tatars in general on this referendum did not go. And these results could not be. But the Crimean Tatars – is the main piece of evidence in the case of the illegal annexation of Crimea. And this evidence, of course, must be destroyed. To be neither heard nor seen the Crimean Tatars to all feared. Now they will threaten, so people who can not live in this atmosphere will leave.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: And it likely that in this way almost all the people outlawed?

Valery Khomyakov:It turns out so. At least that is what we are now seeing, and events that do not bring the Lord, will be developed in this way. Crimean Tatar – now more than banderovets from Western Ukraine. And their stooges sitting in the Crimea. That will be, I think, the supply of our “great” promoters, which are now the subject of the Crimean Tatar people can grasp and apply them as “corrupt hirelings Ukrainian, Kiev junta West, the State Department and all the rest.” We have seen this in other examples. And unfortunately, nothing good about it for ordinary citizens of Russia. Because once it ends. And the desire of the machine, which consumes (or trying to eat) all dissent and all those people who believe that we shall make a great stupidity on the Crimea – on this machine will devour the people already in Moscow, as it is done.

But I ask another question: what does it do its proponents? Well, all the people in prison will not plant, in which Stalin was convinced: tried – failed. Hitler tried to do – also failed. Someone thinks that Putin will succeed? No, it will not work. Sooner or later, this story will end, and the reputation of our country in view of the fact that leadership behaves … I do not think this is the Kremlin’s decision. I think it has matured into a beautiful head of Mrs. Poklonsky, which has, in my opinion, even the generals began. Its rapid political rise, it is now almost the most popular man in Russia. I would place Mr Chaika bother for the armchair. With such prospects it can safely move to the Big Dmitrovka, where the Prosecutor General’s Office. Well, you can not go on about the ambitions, let the pretty and young ladies in the form of public prosecutor. The damage is much higher.

Do not you put down the Crimean Tatar people, for all your wish. I repeat, it is in the genes of these people – resistance. Stalin raised their lives, and some post-Soviet. I remember when it all started. Then Crimea Yuriy Meshkov was president, and Sergei Tsekov, in my opinion, was the chairman of the Supreme Council.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: A Prime Minister was, in my opinion, an economist Yevgeny Saburov.

Valery Khomyakov: I remember those times, since then has been one of the leaders of the “Democratic Party of Russia.” Many have tried to meet with Nikolai Travkin, then leader, and he sent them to me, “Yuri Meshkov come talk to him.” I say, “Who is this?” – “President of the Crimea.” I do not remember, I met with him or not, A S Tsekovym exactly met. And then he drew me a terrible picture that returned Crimean Tatars, trying to seize the land. But they are not trying to take away, they just want to go back to where they were illegally rounded up in due time. By the way, it is, I believe, was, perhaps, one of those people with whom he started. And then I went to the then Supreme Council and, apparently, tried to cry out: “Help us now! We are the Crimean Tatars to places sleeves protect us.!”

This myth in the early ’90s seriously affected some of our politicians. Maybe even some Boris Yeltsin, who could call Mr. Kravchuk and say, “You there is not very much .. Help, and we are now you’ll have such autonomy in the Crimea!” There are a bunch of contradictions and partly inexperience then Russian authorities. Maybe you can forgive her for what was then the Russian Federation was not to the Crimea. But if you rewind the tape back, probably could find a common language with the then leadership of the Crimea, which is a short time, thank God, sat, and find some digestible formula to Crimean Tatars received their national autonomy on the Crimean peninsula. Do not go for it. As a result, the disease persists, it is not resolved.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: And what progress has been made during the democratization? I know that it was possible to create a number of schools in the Crimean Tatar language, a little restore land rights. How did you begin this process, which seems to go positive?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I would like to say about the fact that the idea of the ban could not be born with Putin, and the head of Madame Poklonsky. This is absolutely wrong. Madame Poklonskaya, the stories of many – is the girl with the intellect Vosmiklassnica. Actually, it is possible to trace how it is sometimes speaks without notes. Immediately we can understand with whom we are dealing. It will not make a step without having to not get instructions from Moscow. The main force in the occupied Crimea – is the FSB. There’s enough clicks, or pointers – and she will run to where she will say. Therefore overestimate the role of Madame hardly worth it.

And one wonders: why do such nonsense? In particular, the Russian leadership is not only banned the Majlis. If we proceed from the interests of the Russian Federation, then do come to the Crimea was a great folly, like the rest of the war with Ukraine. This damage, in my opinion, no one would be able to inflict. And now, in the West say straight out that it was not yet the head of the country, which would bring so much harm to the state in the history of Russia.

And to answer your question. We all went very hard and was not easy in Ukraine. Not because Ukraine as a whole does not want to solve our problems, just we had very different political forces … Here a conglomerate. We have all the time in the election supported the democratic forces. A democratic forces almost never been in power, except for a few short periods. The main power on the territory of the autonomy was in the Russian-speaking hands of pro-Russian majority. Now it is the majority of the occupants waited on. We had a very large land problems. Crimean Tatars, despite the fact that they were somewhere in the 14 percent of the population of the peninsula, in the structures of power, depending on what that structure – takes from zero to 2.5-3 percent. That is discrimination in their homeland – in 4-5 times. For example, in the Security Service, which was 2 thousand 300 workers – was not one of the Crimean Tatars. The prosecutor’s office – a few tenths of a percent. Not a single judge. That is, such a structure.

Nevertheless, Ukraine – a democratic state, and it was possible to somehow defend their rights. With great difficulty we gradually defend them. 14 percent of Crimean Tatars with great difficulty in the native language to open 14 schools, and ethnic Ukrainians are not so organized, and although they made up 23-25 ​​percent of the population of the peninsula – they have 7 schools. It all depended on how active we were. We helped our organization. And the land problems. Poklonskaya now saying: “Over the years, the Majlis has not solved the problems of land of the Crimean Tatars.” Allow me, as if in the Majlis had some opportunity to give orders and to allocate land! Majlis only organized protests demanding the allocation of land. And thank God, at least something we wanted. But it was still in the hands of the authorities,

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Eider Muzhdabaev noted that the mood of depressed people in the Crimea.

Eider Muzhdabaev: In this situation, the Crimean Tatars were probably only at the time of deportation, when any soldier could poke their butt, shoot at anyone, and so on. You can not even be an activist – it does not matter. You can not like a neighbor, a colleague, your store may not like competitor – all have nothing. You – Crimean Tatar, and that’s enough to you to write a denunciation.

Even in this regard, there is a social problem. The fact that there will be processes that we are well familiar with Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union under Stalin, when from people who may fall under the repression will be shy, like lepers. And as for all the Crimea it is obvious that all Crimean Tatars may potentially become victims of repression, with the Crimean Tatars will be less talk; they will speak to their children not to go to visit them, will be a little talk, be treated like a leper. Because you communicate today with Crimean Tatar, and tomorrow he will be a “terrorist”.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: In Bulgaria and in some republics of Yugoslavia was a special process slavyanizatsii. All Turkic names changed to Slavic to somehow dilute the nationality, the memory of the Turkish rule. Can the Kremlin to organize something like this and against the Crimean Tatars?

Valery Khomyakov:In our country, it is difficult something is to believe. You never know what will come to mind to some minister. To prove his loyalty, he can come up with anything. I would not want to come to this. And so the cones stuffed himself, many in Europe and elsewhere twist finger to his temple, when they look at the policy of our state. I hope, to this still will not come, but attempts can be. Do zealous officials who want to make a political career, no less “shiny” than Madame Poklonsky that nobody knew two years ago, and now she was almost to the State Duma met, even without primaries. I think maybe it would be nice … his political career in the State Duma few people did. I saw Aleksandr Ivanovich Lebed walked, when he became a State Duma deputy, he was not interesting to anyone. And Mrs. Poklonskaya. Maybe there will be more tolerant person, but this is not our problem.

As for the possibilities and attempts russify this part of the Crimean Tatars, who for various reasons, have begun to cooperate with the authorities … I remind you that there is one Crimean Tatar, in my opinion, the vice-premier in the government of Crimea. Well, people went to work – but for God’s sake! But if you work it, work for the benefit, including the Crimean Tatar people. What he likes this kind of action? On the prohibition of the Mejlis, he probably could have done a little more demonstrative step and get away from the Crimean management. Looks like guts.

I still see this blatant stupidity attempt to split the Crimean Tatars into several pieces. And we, ordinary citizens, through the famous canals and show in certain programs that they’re all here for Putin for the Kremlin, for its multi-ethnic, peaceful policy as they used to say. And that there is some fringe represented by the Mejlis, Mr. Cemil, Chubarov and other people who are not already in the Crimea, unfortunately, they were forced to leave – were driven from their homes of people … To this we must be prepared in including the heads of the Mejlis. A organization, I think you can always come up with a different form. Especially Muzhdabaev quite correctly noted – is not in the Ministry of Justice of the registration of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people. There is no such organization. How can you deny what is not ?! So, people can come up with some form of so

Поэтому тут приходится, видимо, достаточно непросто жителям Крыма, которые считают себя крымскими татарами. Мы это видели по другим тенденциям, которые очень четко просматриваются в нашей внутренней политике. Но я не понимаю руководство России. Им-то это зачем? Что, мало шишек вы набили? Вы хотите поссориться с исламским миром окончательно и бесповоротно? Тут бед натворили, а потом надо бежать в Саудовскую Аравию: “Ребята, давайте сократим объем нефти”. Вы чего-нибудь одно выбирайте, в конце концов. Сколько можно эту глупость смотреть?! Я давно живу на белом свете, видел всяких руководителей, и глупости у них тоже были. Но были какие-то рациональные зерна в поведении. А здесь я не вижу рациональности. Одна иррациональность, одни эмоции, одно желание угодить верховному царю. А дальше что? Хоть бы на шаг вперед посмотрели, что дальше будет.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Even Stalin’s executioners had the good sense to leave one of the hero of the Crimean Tatar people – the pilot Amet-Khan Sultan. And then he died a mysterious death. And now almost all dealt with moral authority. After all, no one can go back to their homeland.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Stalin had not had the sense to leave Amet-Khan Sultan in Crimea. At that time he lived in Moscow. And in accordance with the law, since he twice Hero of the Soviet Union, he placed the bust and was told that he could live. But he said: “What should I do there?” And he is not moved to the Crimea.

And the prospect of Russification of the settlements of the Crimea. This has been done by Stalin. There russify nothing. All Russian already there. I think that in the near future Ukraine will pass a law on the restoration of the historical place names. Already in terms decommunisation somewhere in 67 settlements of the Crimea renamed. And on all maps of the world will be the names of those villages, which will be adopted by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine. Because legally Crimea is part of the Ukrainian state.

And about the moral authorities. Russian practice was initially “buy” Majlis. This was caused by an invitation to me to Moscow. Somewhere in 35-40 minutes we were on the phone with Mr. Putin said on this subject. Mountain promises we happily alive in the Russian Federation. But when that did not work, when we said that first print its troops from our territory, but if you want to assist, then sit down at the negotiating table with our guide – even then, of course, the atmosphere changed. And the tactic was, of course, to evict people who, from their point of view can affect the mood of the people, to lead any protest movement. And indeed it is now Russia’s policy is to ensure that displace the Crimean Tatars, as it was during the time of the first occupation of the reign of Catherine II. Then, too, they were deported, robbed land. As a result, many Crimean Tatars left their lands and moved to the Ottoman Empire. Now in Turkey where some 10 times more of the Crimean Tatars, than in the Crimea. And now this policy continues.

There are facts of kidnapping and murder. We follow, whom they kidnapped and murdered. It is not only the activists of the national movement. People have the impression that no one is guaranteed. And not only the facts of murders are not investigated – it is used as a bargaining chip. For example, when questioned by some of the members of the Majlis, or an activist of the national movement in the current Crimea, if he keeps with dignity, say to him: “Are not you afraid to become a” ischeznoventsem “Or:” Are not you afraid that tomorrow your children may disappear? “the practice is that even when Stalin was not done Yes, under Stalin dissidents killed, shot, but to openly say.” Tomorrow your children will disappear, if you behave this way “- is rarely practiced now revived all. most gloomy, it was under the Soviet regime.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Journalist Eider Muzhdabaev struck by the indifference of the Russian society.

Eider Muzhdabaev: I am struck by the passivity of the Russian society, which is already itself is on the verge of total repression. I am struck by the indifference of the Russian public, including the so-called liberal. I have all these strikes and sad surprise. It seems to me, no lessons were not learned. And just as the liberal Germans calmly looked at the beginning of repression against the Jews when Jewish organizations were forbidden, when only was the first voice that “Jews do us harm, we let it close, ban”, many were silent. And many journalists are silent, many public figures were silent. Why this silence led – can not remember. I think that here the silence that creates Russia with the Crimean Tatars, I regard as a sign of agreement with this policy. This stunning cowardice, which can not be explained by anything,

Vladimir Kara-Murza, Sr.: The website of the Human Rights Council under the President Nikolai Svanidze just plucked up courage and asked about the disappearance of the Crimean Tatars. It has been 9 people by the time it was last fall. And no one else has raised this issue with the authorities, with the Kremlin.

Valery Khomyakov: Unfortunately, it is. So it turns out that either it is not interesting to anyone of those people, journalists and human rights, or they go about their business, and they do not care about the Crimean Tatars.

I thought that’s what connection with our theme. It seems to be calm Republic of Tatarstan in the national plan. Although in the early 90’s there all the seething, and no less than in Chechnya. And only thanks to the Shaimiev could somehow prevent the explosion. Until recently. But recently I heard the news on one of the radio channels: Vsetatarsky community center (quite nationalistic) long statement currently no resemblance, and then decided to give some object Russian name. And now starting to raise the question of what we need to give the name Tatar.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Station Kazan subway, they want to rename.

Valery Khomyakov:Maybe it’s not so bad, but the fact that such an attitude to the citizens or to those organizations who are Muslims who allegedly considered Russian territory, according to the Crimea, our government and the majority of society, may wittingly or unwittingly encourage nationalist currents in the republics where Islam dominates. I would very much like to be wrong, but I fear that such a danger can arise. It is this: “You insult our there, so then let’s call a subway station, but not so.” And nationalism – this thing is so, it arises out of nothing, from scratch, it would seem. And that seems to be now seems peaceful enough, whether in Tatarstan and other republics … Sometimes the spark is enough to blazed that we observe between Armenia and Azerbaijan, and God forbid, if I was right. But I think,

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Mustafa, I know that you do not recognize territorial changes that have occurred over the past two years. Who would you help to influence the situation? Maybe, the Moscow Helsinki Group? Or are you still be equal to the Ukrainian human rights activists?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: First, about Tatarstan. Tatarstan would like to put forward as a mediator. In the early days of the occupation, President of Tatarstan Minnikhanov obscene often came to the Crimea to persuade us that now we will be together with the Russian Federation. A power saw that there was no sense of that mediation, not even harm some … Because somehow become Tatar envoys from Tatarstan reason is not entirely wrong when he explained that this position is not acceptable to us, and them removed. And now there are visitors from Tatarstan virtually none. Basically right now visitors – it is the FSB.

Возникает вопрос: как защитить права крымских татар? Я об этом говорил и в Страсбурге, в Парламентской Ассамблее Совета Европы, в Совете Безопасности 18 марта. Защитить права крымских татар в оккупационном состоянии невозможно. Потому что в Российском государстве отсутствуют демократические свободы. И в оккупированных территориях они, конечно, не будут создавать какой-то демократический анклав. Поэтому единственный путь защиты наших прав – приложить все усилия для того, чтобы агрессор, оккупант покинул нашу территорию. Другого выхода я просто не вижу.

Of course, we are grateful to Kasyanov, who recently said that Crimea one way or another will be returned. And then I called from Moscow and said: “Why do you rely on this Kasyanov In the elections he gets no more than 7-8 percent of the vote?”. I say: “It’s great here is such propaganda, as if all the Russians – that!” Quilted jackets “Still 7-8 percent of normal people you have.”. And thank God, at least some have a layer that understands what’s what, guided by the interests of the people, and not some kind of chauvinistic ambitions. But, of course, sadly, that most glad that they have such a manual bandit that it snapped off part of the territory of another country. It’s very sad. It’s tragic and disastrous for Russia. This occupation, no one will ever admit. In Crimea, there is no prospect not only for the Crimean Tatar people, but also for the entire population. It will be subsidized, decaying region. Even Russian economists have estimated that every year include the Crimea, even in such a depressed state, as now, will cost the Russian budget in the $ 4-5 billion. Therefore, the only way – is the restoration of international law and the maintenance of invaders from our territory.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Can you recognize the jurisdiction of the Strasbourg Court of Human Rights and PACE? Or you do not want to admit that your rights are now being violated on the territory of Russia?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Of course, we treat and will appeal. There is a decision of the Strasbourg Court on specific issues. But Russia is not fulfilling them. It does not fulfill even its own legislation. For example, the prohibition of the Majlis. The accusation is made up of 650 pages – it’s mostly excerpts from my speeches, Chubarov and other members of the Majlis that we do not recognize the occupation, we demand the withdrawal of foreign troops from our territory. And for this reason they say that we are encroaching on the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation and the Russian Federation poses a threat to security. So, the process is not over, not yet read the so-called decision of the court, and the Ministry of Justice has introduced Majlis in its list of banned extremist organizations. Where is the logic here? And recently, it was decided that Russia can not implement the decisions of international courts, including the European Court of Human Rights if they are contrary to the interests of Russia. So what the hell you were then to the European Council ?! There was a duty that you will comply with the decisions of the European Council and the European Court. Well, there is no logic. And we recognize and will recognize the judgments of the European Court.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Yes, the Constitutional Court did not accept to be able to vote to prisoners.

And how many of your like-minded people are now prisoners in Russian prisons?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: In total we have 13 members. There are three categories of prisoners. One category – it is for religious reasons. While there is nothing extremist they did not commit, they only found some literature, a Russian point of view – banned, extremist. The second group – those who met me May 3, 2014. It turns out that they illegally crossed the border. From the point of view of international law it is not a border. They moved from one part of Ukraine in the other. As a result, they have had clashes with riot police.

A third category, in which the sitting and the first deputy of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people Ahtem Chiygoz – this meeting February 26, 2014, before the so-called annexation, before the occupation, to the so-called referendum. The Crimean Tatars were against the attempts of the separatist forces in Crimea joining Russia. Here is the February 26 rally, they are regarded as unauthorized and illegal. And that, on 26 February we had to take permission to hold a rally? They act in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, and there did not have to take permission to hold rallies. Here on such absurd accusations is now Ahtemu Chiygozu faces from 15 and up to 20 years in prison. They believe that he organized a rally against annexation to Russia.

And most importantly – the situation of terror. In total, up to the end of last year was, in my opinion, more than 200 searches in homes, schools, mosques of the Crimean Tatars. 95-96 percent – it searches in the homes and in the schools of the Crimean Tatars.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: We expect that once again will be denied and the Day of memory of victims of deportation. Some hotheads think they can ban and Pushkin’s poem “The Fountain of Bakhchisarai” and mention of the Giray dynasty.

Sourse, 27/04/2016

In Crimea, the situation of fear prevails, the feeling of complete vulnerability to arbitrary

August 22, 2015

Mustafa Dzhemilev, the People’s Deputy of Ukraine, leader of the Crimean Tatar people for many is an example. The man who broke into the ordeal and did not buy generous promises. It is compulsory in their promises and consistent actions. Now, when the Crimea was in the Russian occupation, Mustafa-aga is making for the liberation of their motherland more effort than the Foreign Ministry and other government institutions of Ukraine, together.

Mustafa Dzhemilev in a conversation with “Internet” spoke about his international activities and relations with the Russian justice. He expressed his views on the law that declared annexed Crimea free economic zone and promised that if the corruption loophole is closed, he and his supporters would block the road to the Crimea, on which ride the wagon with food and other goods for the occupants.

– Mr. Cemil, now, when Crimea was annexed by the Russians, where your family lives?

– In Bakhchisarai. I live there my wife and son.

– How often do you see them and how to keep in touch?

– Not very often. Last time my wife and I traveled together in Ankara on Congress. She silent fears often leave the Crimea – the logic of the current Crimean authorities can not understand them at any time may not be allowed back. And there – family, friends, home, elderly mother. In addition, the exit of any national of Crimea is perceived very painfully and disapproval. Like, I invite all to suffer and not to leave the Crimea, while they themselves were taken away their relatives!

– Relatives in the Crimea received Russian passports?

– My wife – no, for it is fundamentally, and daughter also did not get, so it is fired from his job at the Tauride University. But the vast majority of Crimean residents still have to get these passports, because without them there to live virtually impossible – not to seek medical help, or get a job, or to issue the property nor any bureaucratic issues can not be solved without Russian documents.

– What has changed in their reviews are now living in the Crimea?

– Everything they say that in the Crimea is now reigns atmosphere of fear, a feeling of complete vulnerability to tyranny. Even on holidays, at weddings do not have the joy that was before. People are afraid to talk to each other. The social position of the people, with the exception of the military, police and government officials, also deteriorated significantly – reducing wages, reducing purchasing power, high cost, long queues in hospitals, etc. And angry, too, is strictly prohibited, it is only necessary to express joy over the “return” of the Crimea to Russia.

– Even among the Crimean Tatars are afraid to be frank?

– there was a lot of snitches. Yes, and listening devices around them stuffed.

– The Russian authorities are blackmailing you your son. What do they offer you?

– Once in August last year, one of the advisers of the Russian president was Kiev and said that Vladimir Vladimirovich wanted to talk back to me, I said that we can only meet in Kiev, because I was denied entry to Russia. I replied that if I would agree to a meeting, then, depending on what the results will be achieved on it, my son the next day will be at home, and I can safely travel to the Crimea. To this I said to him: “That is Vladimir Vladimirovich is holding my son hostage So he’s a terrorist You tell him that we do not conduct negotiations with terrorists?”.

After it went my statement to the press, he called me and complained that I was about the confidentiality clause told the media. And I say, “So you do not make me indecent proposals”. Now this advisor, apparently for something that does not cope with the task, it is very far distant from Putin.

– What fate awaits Now your son?

– He was sentenced to five years in prison for manslaughter. By all the laws, including the Russian, he should be handed over to Ukraine, because the event took place in the territory of Ukraine, and the victim, and my son, too, are the Ukrainian citizens. My son’s lawyer in court talking about the illegality and illegitimacy of such actions. There is also a decision of the European Court of Human Rights that he be extradited, but Russia is not considered with the verdict and did not even respond to our Ministry of Foreign Affairs requests.

My wife also gave readings there. The court, by the way, took place in Krasnodar, Krasnodar, and in addition the prosecutor at the trial was attended by 2 Prosecutor of Crimea. They also asked some questions that my wife said, “I’m on the question of traitors who have violated the oath of his country, do not answer.”

But the jury – it is, in my opinion, one of those units that the Putin regime is not able to control. Both my wife and daughter said that by the jury to him felt some sympathy. When everything came out of the courtroom, one of the women, the jury wished them: “May God give you good luck!”

– Mustafa-aga, what, in your opinion, Ukraine should pursue a policy in relation to the occupied Crimea? And how do you assess the Law “On free economic zones”, according to which Crimea declared a territory?

– On the topic of the law, I have repeatedly talked with the President and the Prime Minister. This is absurd: the occupied territory are declared free economic zone. Yes, to maintain communication with the peninsula, to ensure movement of citizens need. But our power is all done vice versa – are all sorts of obstacles at the entrance and the entrance to the Crimea with Ukrainian passports of people, representatives of the Diaspora, and to carry loads kilometers of queues trucks that follow almost without any checks.

We even conducted an experiment: sent to a person abroad, he comes to customs with the question as to whether they help hold the wagon, not figuring out what cargo it carries. “$ 500, – says he – and another 500 will have to give the border guards.” As a result, a bargain for a total of $ 800. Without checking, pay – and take me what you want!

All this talk, they say, there live our fellow citizens, they can not be left without food – it is the purest nonsense, it does not care about the citizens, if 90% of imported products in the Crimea and then moves on to Russia. But even that, what remains is primarily for the supply of military units. The shops, of course, also is part.

Without doubt, the main supplier of products to the peninsula – it is Ukraine, and if we do not supply them, where prices rise sharply. Russia will have to diversify the supplies, delivering goods by aircraft and ferries, but they will cost several times more expensive. But we continue to carefully feed the invaders and protect the Russian treasury of additional costs.

– What you said the president of the law on SEZs?

– During our last conversation with him, I said that we will block these columns trucks and special no objection.

And the Cabinet is now drawn up a list of goods that can be passed and in what amount. Also planned to establish hubs in the Kherson region – ie, large markets, where the inhabitants of the Crimea will come to buy food.

– It will be convenient for residents of the Crimea, living close to the border with Kherson region. Others, perhaps, will be expensive to travel?

– They do not care it will cost is 2-2.5 times cheaper than buying products in the Crimea. There will be sold not only products, but also construction materials – cement, crushed stone, etc. for individual use, which are now imported from Ukraine in the Crimea as a free economic zone. But the large-scale importation of trucks these materials to the Crimea, which are used in the construction of landfills for Russian missile systems for nuclear base, which is now settling for Kyzyltash, should not be.

– Mustafa-aga, you Simferopol was a charity fund “Krim”. At the moment he was arrested by the Russian authorities?

– First, they said that the Fund can not function because its founder is a foreign national, that is me. they have made themselves a foreigner. Foundation staff compromised and expelled me from its composition, although the statute is not written that I am the founder, as it is based the decision of the National Congress (Kurultai), and members of his administration also appointed by decision of the National Congress, and I, as chairman of the Majlis, of course, was the president of the Foundation.

The Russian authorities, who came to the Crimea, blocked the activity of the Foundation, and all that belongs to the Fund, and therefore the Majlis – buildings, offices – were arrested.

Moreover, all these assets were purchased by us and is privately owned. For example, building on the street. Schmidt 2 in Simferopol, which is considered an architectural monument, was bought by us many years ago, 40 or 45 thousand. Dollars.

All work carried out to repair the building, should be consistent with the architecture of the Committee. So, apart from the fact that the seizure of property was imposed due to the fact that I – “foreign” citizens, even house arrest because without the consent of the Russian architectural department repair of the roof was carried out there. This is so stupid … Are roof repairs should have been in the Ukrainian Crimea negotiate with Moscow? Well, if you would not have made the repair, then certainly he would have seized because “architectural monument” resulted in a state of neglect.

– That is the repair of the roof was carried out prior to the occupation, and the claims presented to you now?

– Of course. In fact of all the absurd.

– Yes, the Russians in the Crimea does not cease to amaze. Mustafa-aga, you filed suit in Moscow’s Basmanny Court to invalidate the decision of the Federal Migration Service to ban the entry you in Crimea. Why Moscow court?

– The lawsuit filed in the Basmanny Court lawyer, Mark Feigin, which protects our Hope Savchenko. Moreover, not in the hope of obtaining a fair judgment on the abolition of the ban arrogant, but to at least find out – what authority and who is hated this decision.

After all, in our hands is not a single document, where it would say something about the ban. I have in the cordon with Crimea on April 19 last year, just read out the paper on which there was no signature, no seal. The lawsuit was to determine who still ruled the ban. In theory, it was supposed to make the Federal Migration Service, but they say they do not do that. Even information on the prohibition of entry I have on the website of the Military Prosecutor’s Office, but also without specifying who took this decision. There is only a kind of justification for the ban – say, represent a threat to the territorial integrity and security of Russia.

And there are even more voluminous document authorship Crimean prosecutor’s office, in which he explained what I bad person, are gleaned from the Internet “anti-Russian” quotes from my interviews and stuff.

So at the trial it became clear that a decision on me took out the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation, even though it does not fit into the Russian legislation, because it is the prerogative of the Federal Service for Migration. But the document with the FSB, too, so no one has presented. Now we have moved to the next stage of the story, it will conclude that now Mark Feigin is preparing documents for the ECHR.

– And why you turned to Russian lawyer?

– To find out what and where it came from in this case, it is necessary in the territory of Russia. Who is going to file a lawsuit with the ECHR – I or Feigin – whether it is necessary that documents of all levels were collected in Russia. That’s it, Mark does.

– What do you think, whether Ukraine should demand compensation from Russia for the assets in the Crimea? And it will not look as if we sell the Crimea?

– Payment shall be required for damages, for all that they have destroyed, taken away. And it’s time to force this point through the international courts to bring lawsuits Russia, and since it will not pay, then seize the property of Russia abroad. We are late with this case, and “YUKOS” Mihaila Hodorkovskogo, for example, won a lawsuit against the US $ 50 billion and now slowly begins to take the Russian property in some countries. The litigation lasted a long time and this was not easy, but in the “Yukos’ former shareholders eventually won. And here the situation is more obvious than that there – there is a violation not only of the economic rights, and international.

– Mustafa-aga, the decree of President of Ukraine you are appointed by the Commissioner of the Crimean Tatar people. Tell me, how we internally displaced persons from the Crimea?

– Displaced we mainly engaged in charity Crimea-SOS and representative of the UN High Commissariat for Refugees Ukraine, who led Oldrich Andrusek.

Cadence it was over, but instead wanted to appoint a former GDRovskogo Komsomolets, who has close ties with Russia. Our Foreign Ministry is justified objected to his candidacy and now representative of the High Commissioner, as it were, without the boss.

Check with great precision of movement of the inhabitants of the peninsula is impossible. But last year Andrusek said that moved about 10 thousand people, half of them – the Crimean Tatars. Who receives information about 21 000 and about 35 thousand. Slightly more than half of all internally displaced persons from the Crimea up the Crimean Tatars, because for them there is the greatest pressure.

– any cases of human rights violations you have fixed in the Crimea, both in terms of the Crimean Tatars, and the rest of the population. And how do you respond to them?

– We can not control everything, but now we already are building a network of correspondents all over the Crimea. This thing is very expensive and dangerous, because there is shadowing the Russian special services delivered at a high level. We collect information on the lines of the Mejlis also created their own network Crimean News Agency with the center in Kiev and ATR channel.

– What we have today in Ukraine there are programs, projects for the return of the Crimea under the jurisdiction of Ukraine?

– a detailed strategy for the return of the Crimea we do not have. But I expressed my opinion, it is that the military way of Crimea return is not possible, it was necessary to shoot at the beginning, and now, according to various estimates, the peninsula is concentrated from 60 to 80 thousand Russian troops, all dispersed weapons, tanks, missiles. There is also evidence that in Kyzyltash near Yalta restore the nuclear facilities and were seen cars, which have the symbol, a warning about nuclear dangers. But the “Topol”, “Iskander”, “SS-20”, which can carry nuclear weapons, there already is. And in the case of a military conflict, if, God forbid, it will explode even one nuclear warhead, it can be a disaster not only for the Crimea, the whole of Ukraine and Russia, but also for the whole of Europe. In a word,

I believe that the main strategy for the Crimea – sanctions. Therefore, the World Congress of Crimean Tatars, which discussed the issue of Crimea, addressed to the whole world and to the Turkish Government to join the sanctions.

The Russians, of course, very nervous about the Congress, they had set up in the Crimea its Sabbath forcibly assembled state employees, and on their behalf made an appeal to Erdogan that he would not allow the Congress. But Erdogan has not only ensured the smooth conduct of the Congress, but also addressed the delegates with the message, where he said that Turkey will never recognize the occupation and will always strive to restore the territorial integrity of Ukraine, called Crimean Tatars continue their struggle for the liberation of Crimea from the Russian occupation . Around the same vein were the treatment and the Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu.

First, the Russian press gleefully reported that Erdogan “ignored”, did not come to our Congress. But he could not come, because these days, together with the Minister of Foreign Affairs visited Indonesia and Pakistan. The Prime Minister was not there in Ankara. But as soon as they returned to the country, then immediately and the prime minister and the president invited us to a meeting. After that, the tone of the Russian press has become a bilious and angry – both in relation to Erdogan, and in general to the international policy of Turkey.

– The Verkhovna Rada has a sectarian association “Crimea”. Who enters into it, and what do they do?

– No special results of work they do not have, and powers, in general, too, no no. MP Alexey Goncharenko suggested that I led the work of this association, but I refused, and then he himself became head of the group.

We’re talking about what we need to create in the Verkhovna Rada a separate Committee for Crimea and other occupied territories. This issue we will discuss in the near future with the Speaker of BP Vladimirom Groysmanom.

– And what in general there are international projects dealing with the problem of the Crimea?

– Who will be the return of the Crimea, if not ourselves? The international community is merely states that the annexation of the Crimea and the Russian invasion of the territory of Ukraine is illegal and does not recognize Crimea’s accession to Russia.

Penalties – it is their measure of influence on Russia. But the sanctions also affect the economies of those countries that have joined this list. For example, I was in Italy, where Berlusconi’s party and even some party “5 stars” comedian Beppe Grullo in favor of the abolition of the sanctions. This movement is in France. But thank God, these countries have not yet abolished the sanctions and unlikely to be canceled until the liberation of the Crimea, but the Russian secret services are working very hard in this respect – and bribe some politicians or organizations, snapping up even provincial newspapers in the European countries, to apply, as is the case with French delegation, traveling to the Crimea and meetings with the occupation authorities and then repeated their statements to the press that no one’s rights are not violated. Unfortunately, the corrupt and greedy for dirty money people everywhere suffice.

But independent international human rights organizations and the Russian authorities in Crimea is not allowed. Once allowed to enter the Turkish group of independent experts, apparently relying on their loyalty, as Turkey has not yet acceded to the sanctions. First was the question of how the delegation would be to get there: if in Moscow, it will be a violation of Ukrainian sovereignty, if in Kiev, then they were not allowed to Crimea. Then, in a conversation with Erdogan in Kyiv on March 20, I proposed a compromise, the delegation arrived in Kiev, and then went to Moscow and from there to Simferopol. Such an option all arranged, and our Ministry of Foreign Affairs also did not mind.

Following the visit to the Crimea a group of experts presented a report on 20 pages, which was a shock to the Russians, because it shows everything as it really is. After that no uncontrolled Russian mission to the Crimea is no longer allowed. We wish to operate through Russian human rights organizations, but they also create a lot of obstacles to their activities in the Crimea – and delay, and check. I am talking about Russian human rights defenders from the group of dissident hardening – Lyudmile Alekseevoy, for example.

– Mustafa-aga, tell us about your trip to Poland for the presentation of the Solidarity Award. You, as far as I know, offered other nominees for the award?

– The award was given to the daughter of Boris Nemtsov – Jeanne. I, as the first winner of this award, had the right to nominate, and the first name that came to mind then, of course, was Boris Nemtsov – a fearless fighter against the regime, against the occupation of the Crimea, and Russia’s war against Ukraine. Which, by the way, and he knew about it he said at a meeting with me in Kiev, that it was likely soon be killed. But the Polish Solidarity Prize as the Nobel not awarded posthumously. So I made the candidacy of Alexander Podrabinek, who fearlessly fought against the Soviet regime, he spent many years in prisons, camps and exile, and now as hard struggles with the Putin regime. I mentioned this in his speech at the ceremony in Warsaw Award on 6 August.

All nominated candidates were many, about 20 people of European, Asian and African countries, and all of them mentioned in a separate film, which was shown at the ceremony.

Out of all the nominations the jury chose Zhannu Nemtsovu – the daughter of Boris Nemtsov, a courageous and talented journalist who after the death of his father, too, was forced to leave Russia, and works on the radio “Deutsche Welle”. By the way, she said that a significant portion of the premium received will give the families of our “Heavenly hundred”, “Boris Nemtsov Fund” to continue his father’s business, the Crimean Tatar TV channel ATR-in-exile, which is the “bastion of freedom on the peninsula of speech and objective news about the situation” and other charitable projects in Ukraine.

Interviewed by Natalia Kondratieva

Sourse, 21/08/2015

Crimea is not yours

December 3, 2014

In the program “Face-to-event” to “Radio Liberty” – an interview with the leader of the Crimean Tatar people, MP of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Mustafa Dzhemilev about what happened and is happening in Russia annexed Crimea.

Conversations at the international conference in Wroclaw memory of the poet Natalia Gorbanevskaya .

Mikhail Sokolov: Conference “Against war and violence.” Which was held November 29 and 30 in Poland in Wroclaw, it was dedicated to the memory of the poet and human rights activist Natalia Gorbanevskaya, one of the eight people who came to Red Square August 25, 1968, in protest against the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia. Participated in policy discussions, human rights activists, historians, writers from Russia, Ukraine, Poland, the protesters in Red Square in 1968. Pavel Litvinov and Viktor Feinberg. The leader of the Crimean Tatar people Mustafa Dzhemilev spoke about Natalia Gorbanevskaya.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Dear friends, colleagues. A year as dead Natalia Gorbanevskaya. But we, the old dissidents, while we are still alive, perhaps we should talk about Natalia Gorbanevskaya. This is very important, because such people always lacked, then and now, and not to be missed in the future tense.

Already the first document, which was signed by the initiative group – it would appeal to the United Nations Commission on Human Rights, where there were 15 signatures of members of the initiative group, which spoke about the main crimes of the Soviet regime in the field of human rights, including mention of the struggle of the Crimean Tatar people to return to their homeland, about lawlessness of the Soviet authorities. It was one of the first documents, which allowed to bring the Crimean Tatar problem, the problem of the deported people to return to their historical homeland of the world community.

Arrest Natalia Gorbanevskaya very painful blow to the initiative of our group. Because a major role in the collection of materials, drafting, correcting and even many of the documents, which were issued by the initiative group of human rights, Natalia played Gorbanevskaya. There are these words: “And the good and evil – all die, so better to let the good we will remember.” Natalia Gorbanevskaya one of those people who will remember for a long time.

Mikhail Sokolov: “Poetry Natalia Gorbanevskaya inherits Russian civic poetry, with its idealism, the idea of ​​man as a being, longing for justice, sacrifice and unselfish,” – said Grigory Yavlinsky. But, of course, the focus was not only poetry, but also the problems of human rights, ideals that were important for Natalia Gorbanevskaya, were central to her life.

The son of Natalia Gorbanevskaya – Jaroslav urged the authorities of Western countries demand that the Russian release of all political prisoners.

Jaroslav Gorbanevsky: Today I am in Wroclaw on the anniversary of my mother’s memory, which stands for your freedom and ours. For the freedom of all, in particular, for freedom of political prisoners. If we celebrate the memorial of her reward with something or just remember, just honestly could say: It stands for freedom, let us do as well as she did. We love her, we honor it, let’s do what she would have asked us to do. So today I asked Poland to those whose words at the official level is important, with a request: say three sentences, speaking officially, openly, publicly, tell those three phrases to release Russian prisoners.

Mikhail Sokolov: “Polish society is one in relation to assessment of the events in Ukraine and the aggression against it”, – said the president of the Polish Institute of National Remembrance Lukasz Kaminski. The famous Polish sociologist and translator of Adam Pomorsky believes that Putin managed to just a year to destroy what happened in Europe in the last quarter of a century.

At an international conference in Wroclaw, a resolution was adopted with the assessment of what is happening in Russia and Ukraine:

“We, the participants of the international conference” Days of memory Natali Gorbanevskoy “urge the Russian people do not support a regime that leads to disaster.

We appeal to the governments and citizens of the free world: do not throw the Ukraine alone. Stop Russian aggression.

We, friends and colleagues Natali Gorbanevskoy, appeal to the governments and citizens of the free world: ask the Russian authorities to release all political prisoners. “

The resolution is very important, – says human rights activist and historian Alexander Daniel:

At the international conference “Against war and violence” in the center of attention and was the Crimean Tatar issue.

About what is happening in the Crimea, now in the “Face-to-event”, we talk with the leader of the Crimean Tatar human rights movement, a deputy of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Mustafa Dzhemilev.

Mustafa, I would like to start a little distance in the same sense as were the relations of the Crimean Tatar people with the Ukrainian authorities in Crimea. Because today on this topic a lot of different fantasies, talk about what you and discriminated against in Ukraine. Like going back?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Definitely, that any coherent policy of the Ukrainian state system against the Crimean Tatar people as an indigenous people of the peninsula, was not. Yes, Ukraine has declared that it recognizes the illegal deportation of the Crimean Tatars, has committed itself to solve all the social and legal problems of the Crimean Tatar people. In practice, it has done very little. We, the Crimean Tatars did not return what was illegally taken away.

On the one hand this is understandable. What to do with, say, the people who live in our homes. The state in this respect, has said that it is the best of its capabilities will solve social problems through the provision of the budget year in accordance with their capabilities, but stood minuscule, it did not cover a tenth of what is needed, not even was the fact income taxes, which was obtained in the Crimean Tatars working.

In general, the attitude of the Ukrainian establishment to the Crimean Tatars was such as to the voters. Upcoming elections, they proceed from the fact that the Crimean Tatars have consolidated electorate, the vast majority decision of its highest representative body of the Mejlis, the Kurultai, therefore, agreed with Parliament to the effect that we support them in the elections, and if they win, introduce some of its passage list one or two, depending on the capabilities of this political party, our representatives.

But Majlis has its basic principles. For example, even if the Communist Party offered us their entire list to give, we would not have voted. We have always supported the principle of national-democratic forces, they usually do not come to power. There was one case when Yushchenko was president, the party came to power. Then they began discord, they not only failed to fulfill the promises against the Crimean Tatars, but also generally in relation to other voters, too.

Worse it was the part of those who came to power. They are, as a rule, relied on in Russian, chauvinistic electorate. To us it was, at least, indifference, hostility under Yanukovych. Accordingly, the problem is not solved. If the Crimean Tatars in the autonomy is 14%, then in the structures, as we shall find in the local or regional elections executive, representative government depended places, and in the executive power structure the percentage of Crimean Tatars did not exceed 2.5-3%, that is discrimination 4-5. Accordingly, no other problems were solved. Not because Ukraine was chauvinistic, great-approach to the Crimean Tatars. Due, in particular, the fact that the Crimea – is a region where the vast majority are ethnic Russian, who moved primarily, more than 80%

The stereotype, which was implemented for decades, that drove away it is true that they are traitors, all of this favorably perceived by them, give peace of mind, as they took home, whom they sent to death, and then it turns out, it turns out, that they are bad. Here is the promotion lasted for many years, and it was passed down from generation to generation.

Mikhail Sokolov: Crimean authorities with those who led the executive branch, could agree, or they had a special respect for its Kiev, more rigid with respect to the Crimean Tatar people politics?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Definitely all, who heads the executive branch can not. Were more or less pragmatic, to the best of their abilities a little bit more far-sighted than towards others. The last prime minister of Mogilev, ardent chauvinist who in the press openly justified the deportation of Crimean Tatars, said it was the “fifth column”. What can you negotiate with them? Respectively had the chauvinistic policy. He fully supported, as well as his chief of Yanukovich, a pro-Russian on the Russian majority. In between, there were some people, such as the Prime Minister Kunitsyn or Speaker of the Verkhovna Rada Gritsenko, who understood that if you do not solve the problem of the Crimean Tatars, then this is the way to conflict, then they will not be able, and for ourselves to get something. That is a more pragmatic, more prone to the Crimean Tatars.

Mikhail Sokolov: Did you have any suggestions that might be organized in the Crimea coup with the participation of Russian law enforcement agencies, with the participation of Aksenov groups, and so on?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: For a long time, my view was that the current situation in Russia is unlikely to direct annexation, most likely Russia will always create tensions, create problems Ukraine to the fact that they could not create an independent policy. But the fact that so and will move its troops, chop off another part of the territory, in the twenty-first century, it seemed incredible. But after the 2008 Russian-Georgian war, I was probably one of the first, which opened in the press, in the newspaper “Day” said that next in line could be Ukraine. I even said so, that repeated a similar scenario. If, for example, in Georgia, South Ossetia and Abkhazia strenuously heard Russian passports, then about the same thing happens. I cited statistics on how much we have in the Crimea there is people who have Russian passports, analysis of the elections to the authorities of Russia. Sets the polling stations, and those who have Russian passports, vote. Based on the fact that it was not quite comfortable to come from one village to another in the elections, we did this offer and come to the conclusion that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel. who have Russian passports, vote. Based on the fact that it was not quite comfortable to come from one village to another in the elections, we did this offer and come to the conclusion that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel. who have Russian passports, vote. Based on the fact that it was not quite comfortable to come from one village to another in the elections, we did this offer and come to the conclusion that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel. that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel. that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel.

I also said that a serious threat to the security of Ukraine is the Black Sea fleet, so you should immediately proceed to the denunciation of the contract with Russia on the Black Sea Fleet. Although I suggest what may be the cost, what penalties, but the security interests should be paramount. Of course, to take a course to join the North Atlantic alliance.

But authorities did exactly the opposite. It was still under Yushchenko, and after a while came to power Yanukovych, it is not something to denounce, the term had come to an end in 2017, it extended for another 25 years under the pretext that Putin promised to reduce the price of gas at one hundred dollars per thousand cubic meters. This, in my view, was a real betrayal. No wonder at the statement, upon ratification of this treaty were just fights in the parliament. But the power they have, and they were able to push through it.

So later I saw an analytical report of the Security Service of the Crimea to his superiors in Kiev, where about my statement saying that the Majlis takes a provocative attitude, actions are aimed to spoil fraternal relations between the two countries. That is, we are provocateurs, because we want to withdraw the Black Sea Fleet.

Summing up, I want to say that there have been indications that this can happen, though not fully believe it. Moreover, that the head of state for a few months before, when he was asked the question, that, well, there is talk that the Russian claim to Crimea, how do you assess, it clearly states that this is nonsense, it’s nonsense, it provocation, we respect the state border of Ukraine, is coming up with different provocateurs. And suddenly this development. Arguments to justify this policy and the introduction of its troops on our territory, of course, does not stand up to scrutiny. The claims that if the Ukraine to establish a fascist regime, Bandera, that there almost chase through the streets and kill everyone who is not a fascist – it was such wildness directly posed on its head.

 with full responsibility that in all the years of Ukraine’s independence is now just after Independence and Revolution, established in all branches of government, the executive and the Cabinet of Ministers, the Verkhovna Rada most that eat the most democratic system of governance.

Please note though that we have parliamentary speaker with a typical Ukrainian surname Groisman, Interior Minister Avakian. There generally are not interested in the nationality of the one prescribed.

Such wild fancies as if created a threat to the Russian-speaking population in the regions, especially in the depths of Russia, who did not know that we have going on, it may be held.

Mikhail Sokolov: Still grouping Aksenov, what is it? You come across these people? They got 3 or 5% in the last election and now they are the real power.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Since 2009, they could not be heard on the political horizon, but in 2009 they created a group called “Russian unity”, this populist theme that Russian should unite to defend their rights. Pro-Russian rhetoric has been a lot of that is historical, but frankly, it is necessary to separate the Crimea from Ukraine and Russia attach to such slogans they had, but was clearly pro-Russian. We knew that he was very powerfully supported by a neighboring state, and not very successful, because it is a serious election votes are not typed. At the same time, it was known that this Aksenov named “Goblin” has managed to place in different power structures, primarily in the prosecutor’s office, his men, who defended them when they came across a not very nice things. But still, of course, governed from the Kremlin, Moscow, itself the Goblin could not do anything until you go to some order. All revolutions, it is no secret, it is not carried out “Russian unity”, and specific powers which belong to the Russian military.

Mikhail Sokolov: If we talk about the events of the beginning of the winter and spring, say, February, was there a real opportunity to confront once this coup, say, the same Crimean Tatars, who took to the streets, and then somehow disappeared from the streets?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I can say that for 100% could resist, if not for the intervention of the neighboring country. Because seized Parliament, the Council of Ministers of autonomy is not Russian bloc and the so-called “little green men” – a cadre people trained terrorists with all equipment. Therefore, it was not, someone who will overcome on the Crimean peninsula, there is dictated by external forces.

Mikhail Sokolov: It was not here for your mistakes? Demonstrations, in my opinion, continued for three days, then somehow were discontinued. If the demonstrations continued, maybe Putin does not want to take the risk?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Completely eliminate what you said, it is also impossible, this view has a right to exist. But as the events unfolded. What this rally going? To Parliament adopted the decision that they were motivated by the Kremlin, to accede to Russia. Accordingly, the Crimean Tatars were against. Failed. This is the 26th confrontation, they collected three or four thousand of his supporters brought up by buses from all edges, including Sevastopol. Crimean Tatars, there were three or four times more pushed.

The very next day the room occupied by terrorists. These terrorists have a pass allowed deputies at the entrance to the Parliament have seized mobile phones, in front of each stand when put to the vote, keep track of who like to vote, and like they scored either 56, or 57 votes, but there were only 46 votes, according to some reports. However, they declared that the deputies voted to join Russia. Even if it was 90%, still it is illegitimate.

What kind of parliament where the barrel behind you indicate how to vote. There are people, of course, can be and have been inclined to vote for certain decisions, but they are likely to vote when they will be paid, but not when forced to. There simply forced. Already carried out any actions aimed at the liberation of the occupied territories, it was obvious bloodshed. Also in Kiev, we were asked not to go, not to provoke, not to allow that Putin was a reason for the introduction of troops. There even was talk that preparing provocations that have had to find two or three dead Russian soldiers, of course, killed the Crimean Tatars, then start a campaign against the Crimean Tatars. We are seriously afraid of this and warned the press that there are our sources of information. They are the soldiers did not kill. Crimean Tatars,

Mikhail Sokolov: You can specify: Kiev – who is this? These people have families, and so on?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Then was the speaker of the Verkhovna Rada of Turchynov, Prime Minister Yatsenyuk. I’m not going to blame them, their order can be correctly and completely wrong. That’s right, if there really ready for something bloody, and they acted very humanely, saying he did not go out and do not lose their lives. And if this confidence was not simply give in to terrorists, to leave them unpunished, moreover, had the opportunity to neutralize them and do not do – is, of course, raises a number of questions as to why it was not done.

Mikhail Sokolov: I understand that at this stage the victims were just among the Crimean Tatars, a man was killed there. It was possible to find out what happened and who’s to blame him?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: It is not these days, later it was. March 3 area came Crimean Tatar, Ukrainian flag wrapped, said he was against the occupation, it was then in front of all the people was pushed into a car and drove away. Then a week later his body was found with signs of violence, tied with adhesive tape, to the naked eye it was clear that killed stabbed in the eye. The fact that this operation vykradyvaniyu human and murder carried out so-called “self-defense”, where all the thugs in the Crimea, we had no doubt. The fact that the FSB and then say that they can not identify, can not be established – is babbling. If YouTube can recognize who pushes him, the experts have been even more so. This concerns not only the first but also the subsequent vykradyvany people.

Mikhail Sokolov: We stayed on repression. The repression against the Crimean Tatars from the people who occupied the Crimea, they almost immediately started after the occupation?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: We have accurate information that the Russian political establishment had a dual attitude to the developments in Crimea and, in particular, in relation to the Crimean Tatars. Part of the establishment came from the fact that the Crimean Tatars have to agree, especially with Parliament, because the vast majority of Crimean Tatars are guided by the Majlis. This explains the invitation to Moscow for talks, the arrival of numerous delegations from Russia, Tatarstan, Bashkortostan, to negotiate with the Majlis of the Crimean Tatar people.

Mikhail Sokolov: We can remember how there was this type of negotiation process that they are offered to you?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: From the outset, they had prepared, and even adopted a draft resolution of the Verkhovna Rada of the Autonomous Republic, where Crimean Tatars 23% of guaranteed representation in all structures of power in all branches of government, including in parliament. That is allocated a quota under this quota choose themselves Crimean Tatars. The functioning of the Crimean Tatar language as one of the official on the territory of Crimea. Thirdly, the return of the Crimean Tatars, who were forced to lie outside of the Crimea. It was assumed that the measures will be taken public, including financial ones, in order to facilitate their return to the territory of Crimea. What will be restored historical place names of the Crimea – it is more than 1,200 settlements, which at one time after the deportation of the Crimean Tatars were Russified: Tank, Armored,

And most significant is that these people, who came to power and brought them, the “Goblin”, I mean Aksenov, who poison breathed in the Majlis, always stated that it is an illegal structure, so-and-so, all of a sudden in this decision stated that they will be officially recognized, the Crimean Tatar Kurultai and Majlis. That is, there was such a direct calculation that the Crimean Tatars to celebrate, to cling to these opportunities and say how happy they are to be in the Russian Federation. But this is not passed.

The upper hand in policy toward the Crimean Tatars began to occupy the “hawks”, who initially said that the Tatars Crimean impossible to negotiate, especially with Parliament, so you need to act only traditional exhaust not only in Soviet Russia, but also in pre-revolutionary methods separation of the Crimean Tatars into good and bad, the repression that, in fact, done.

Mikhail Sokolov: What kind of repression took place today?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Mass no arrests have massive searches under the pretext that they allegedly looking for weapons, in some cases, they say the drugs, although it seems absurd, with no data, they say, Behold, we are looking for drugs. Weapons, drugs, and the third, the most vulnerable – is the search for banned books. They made a list of forbidden books of more than 2600 titles, but this is an incomplete list.

We first talked about 40 searches the Crimean Tatars in their homes, mosques, schools, and they turned out to be much larger. Some houses were searched and immediately threatened that if someone knows about it, then let him think about the children. Closed searches were carried out mainly by so-called “self-defense”. They were taken during the search, not only as a traditional FSB conducts searches, seized computers, materials, they still grab that will attract them.

Mikhail Sokolov: “self-defense” forces – what is this? It’s illegal armed formation of Russian legislation?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Illegal, but they wanted to legalize, prepared a draft resolution, it is volunteers who are patriotic reasons.

Mikhail Sokolov: Type the terrorists?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: The guards did not have guns, and they – and their body armor and equipment, machines, all they have.

Mikhail Sokolov: So it’s actually a gang. What quantity of these gangs?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Hard to say, a few hundred. To my mind. May 3, when I do not miss, Aksenov issued the call to gather all the members of groups “self-defense”, wherever they were, they say, is about to start a war with the Crimean Tatars.

Mikhail Sokolov: On May 3. As I understand it, when you did not miss, people have been trying somehow to express his opinion, the demonstration carried out now, as I understand it, are repression, searches and arrests?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: yesterday reported that the arrested four people accused in the case that he had illegally crossed the state border between the Crimea and Ukraine, from the point of view of international law is absurd, at 100%, you can be sure that the European Court of Human Rights is do not recognize.

They formed the gang mainly of so-called Cossacks, former gebistov who were werewolves, who served in the Security Service of Ukraine, but among them there are those who have never been in the Crimea, so to speak softer.

They basically do the dirty work, they are not an independent force. I am absolutely certain that if the central Russian government was interested in the fact that they were not idle, then so be it was. We have the impression that this was done deliberately in order to intimidate people, to force ourselves to leave the territory of Crimea.

Mikhail Sokolov: The case of the third, as I understand it, is used in the same spirit as the “swamp thing” in Russia, to intimidate people. Are there any prospects that it can grow?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: expanding, looking to what extent. If it’s a bloody showdown, the Majlis will make every effort, that it was not, because it would mean the death of our people.

Mikhail Sokolov: If even a few dozen people arrested?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: There are different options. They came to me people who said that we are also able to easily steal them. I said that we can not go on this way, we are not terrorists, we are not going to steal one. That is, I come to a standstill, it is difficult to answer unequivocally. When your rights are harshly suppressed, bullied, whether it is necessary to respond with violence? It seems to be logical, to your land came the soldiers of another country, dictates the rules, he put on you bastards, that humiliate your dignity. Exit what? Well, war, shot one, two, three, they are the same in a few hours, especially now, when the trap snapped shut, no were not allowed there, without any witnesses, can do anything you want, and then press to declare that the Crimean Tatars fought among themselves, the different clans killed themselves.

Mikhail Sokolov: So you are for non-violent resistance?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I would not say in the absolute non-violent. We have on this subject often appeared that there is no alternative. If the armed forces should adhere to the principle of nonviolence, why do they need, what machines, which should never shoot? In the military department has its own standard of behavior should have been, it may be there, but it was not observed. According to various estimates, there were about 14,000 armed forces on the territory of Crimea. Conditions in order to participate in the war, not what win any concessions to get their rights – it was unreal.

Mikhail Sokolov: We often hear that Ukraine has made a mistake, if it had at least a minimal resistance in the Crimea, there would be no hike Strelkova in Donbass and other actions.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: we have a lot to discuss on this topic. Arguments such that, say, guided by humane considerations, not to dying people. Why then keep the army? Who wants to come, chop off, which you need to territory. For the military is not an argument, not to resist.

This is largely demoralized in some way, and those citizens who remained in the Crimea loyal to their state. They were amazed at how this is so, a weapon that is bought at the expense of the taxpayers, just as the aggressor. There are other reasons, it turns out, did not want to provoke, like people did not die.

Mikhail Sokolov: As a result, they do not die in the Crimea and the Donbas.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: And die in the Crimea.

Mikhail Sokolov: What is the current economic situation in the Crimea, according to your data? What is happening and what is going on with the same Crimean Tatars, still they are in the agricultural sector is largely involved?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: None agriculture or tourism, which was one of the main sources of income in the Crimea, now do not have to say, because who wants to relax in the occupied territory, besides not go any traffic reports, no planes, no boats.

Mikhail Sokolov: prices are rising?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: prices are rising, but the Russian government has raised some salaries and pensions, too. By many indicators that tell me this in some way compensates for the fact that prices have risen. Therefore, the money received would like a little more, but also have to spend more on the same products. This is one.

Secondly, the threat to agriculture. It’s no secret that more than 80% of water, including irrigation purpose water comes from the mainland. If you block the water, and she was partially blocked because something is destroyed, then the autonomous republic no other way to try to solve to get water from underground sources, and use this water to irrigate the land – it’s just a crime, causing great environmental damage . But with no other choice, they do it. They have caused great damage to the ecology of the Crimea is due to the fact that the drilled, fetched water to watered.

Mikhail Sokolov: Say, can we say that Crimea is an economic blockade on the part of Ukraine after the adoption of the law on the occupied territories?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: No there is no blockade. Even we have information that the time since the occupation of the Crimean port of call in 69 vehicles.

Mikhail Sokolov: It is almost a year?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: If we assume that in March-April to date. I say 69 because the number was exactly in the list of names of ships that call at ports of Crimea, Attorney General of illegal crossing of the territory, including entering our territorial waters.

Mikhail Sokolov: The ships do not come legally, agriculture in poor condition, and people than live?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Most jobs servicing the military complex. They launched a very large military preparations. Yesterday came from the Crimea, said that a huge amount of cement being taken, where used to be a nuclear repository, all signs want to restore it.

Across the road the Crimea build, is clearly not in order to make people comfortable, and for military purposes, especially in the northern parts. Openly say that military action will begin soon on the border between the Crimea and Kherson area. Due to this, in the main.

In this situation, the Crimean Tatars is very difficult. Because if you’re doing a job that serves the military, you have to give the oath of allegiance to Russia. Someone in desperation goes for it. At this very well speculate Russian media, be sure to remove, will be shown on the Internet, how to swear allegiance to Russia.

Mikhail Sokolov: The bridge will be built in the Crimea, do you think? Something that will change fundamentally?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Regarding the construction of the bridge, at the time it was engaged and Hitler did not succeed. Maybe if I exert some effort. But this bridge is illegal because it has to be agreed with the Ukrainian government.

Mikhail Sokolov: What do you propose to do now Crimean Tatars, you – the leader of the Majlis, you are on the territory of Ukraine, you home is not allowed, and what do the people who were left?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: It’s hard sitting in Kiev, give instructions, from our point of view, the most correct. People there are very hard. Of course, we’d love to have one of the Crimean Tatars did not take Russian citizenship, so they boycotted. But this is impossible, impossible. Would that they are empty of peace, but the resistance of rallies, demonstrations.

It also let to mass arrests, top kills. Therefore, we stick to the traditional way – non-violent resistance, defending their dignity. This is not entirely successful, because there is such a massive pressure, such as never was under Soviet rule.

Mikhail Sokolov: There collaborators?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: A Frenchman once said: if some people do not drug addicts, prostitutes, traitors, what kind of a nation? Of course, there will probably be. The main thing is that their number was not some sort of critical mass.

I can say that with this case from the Russian occupation authorities is very great difficulties. Yes, they recruit someone, put on some positions, while at the same time do spit, they say that there is nobody behind them, their people despise, arms not served. Keep what you have. Of course there will, probably.

Mikhail Sokolov: Do you regret that in Tatarstan President Putin failed to agree somehow or the other way around, which is not declared him a tougher stance?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I without offense, but said its tough stance. When Putin said that to solve all the problems of the Crimean Tatars, I did not refuse this aid, of course, Russia is responsible for the situation in which we find ourselves. We were a part of Russia, when we were deported. Be so kind as to solve issues following the withdrawal of your troops from our territory. Decide at the negotiating table with our guidance. And to ensure that these negotiations take place, again, you need to withdraw its troops. Putin, too, thought that if the mountain to promise things, the more given that the Crimean Tatars and the Ukrainian authorities were in the same position, for some reason they hoped that we easily persuaded. Since this did not happen, they are focused on their traditional methods – repression, attempts to split and so on.

Mikhail Sokolov: What will you do in the Verkhovna Rada is now, in the new structure?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I have always said and say that alone solve the problem of the Crimean Tatars without reference to the problems of the whole of Ukraine is impossible. Of course, we will strive to a sharp improvement in the economic situation in Ukraine, strengthening defense capabilities. Because that’s exactly what if our defenses were not in such a catastrophic situation, as in recent years our President Yanukovych, Putin would hardly have brought their troops.

Of course, we will work a lot at the international level, because the Western countries should fulfill their commitments. Even it’s not that they were concerned about Ukrainians and Crimean Tatars, everyone has their own interests. Because if you close your eyes to this international robbery in the XXI century – is the way to a very large disaster.

Mikhail Sokolov: “Our country is in danger tanks in a strange land” – these words said to the invasion of Czechoslovakia by Russian poet Alexander Galich. Today, the Russians have the right to repeat these words.

Today, the Russian tanks again in a strange land, people today again imprisoned, because they are fighting for freedom. It is a threat to all of us. For our freedom and yours!

Sourse, 02/12/2014

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Crimean Tatars: the nation’s tragedy

April 28, 2016

Ban the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people has strongly condemned the US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland. Speaking April 27 during his visit to Kiev, she stressed that this outrageous decision violates the democratic rights of the entire “historical community.”

The EU called the ban the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people, a serious attack on the rights of the Crimean Tatars and evidence of further deterioration of the human rights situation in Russia annexed Crimea. This is stated in the statement of the European External Action Service.

“It is necessary without delay to ensure full compliance with international standards of human rights and other obligations under international law, in particular, in this case in relation to the Crimean Tatars community”, – the statement says.

April 26 Russian-controlled Crimea Supreme Court acknowledged Majlis extremist organization and banned its activities on Russian territory. Thus I was satisfied the claim of the Crimean prosecutor Natalia Poklonsky, which accused the Majlis in the anti-Russian activities.

Tragic history and current problems of the Crimean Tatar people to discuss politics Mustafa Dzhemilev (Kyiv), the political analyst Valery Khomyakov , the journalist Eider Muzhdabaev (Kiev).

Moderator – Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior .

Vladimir Kara-Murza, Sr.: The EU called the ban the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people, a serious attack on the rights of the Crimean Tatars and evidence of further deterioration of the human rights situation in Russia annexed Crimea.

On Tuesday, the Russian-controlled Crimea Supreme Court recognized the Majlis extremist organization and banned its activities on Russian territory. Thus, the request Natalia Poklonsky, Crimean prosecutor was satisfied that the Majlis has accused of anti-Russian activities.

Tragic history and current problems of the Crimean Tatars, we will discuss with our guest – political analyst Valeriem Homyakovym.

Valery, whether offensive to all the people the motivation to deport him because they collaborated with the German occupiers?

Valery Khomyakov:This is an old story. Of course, in every nation, including in Russian, in the war years were, to put it mildly, the traitors, collaborators. They were also among the Chechen people, and among the Crimean Tatars. But because of this, should not suffer the nations as a whole. And here we are seeing a massive attempt to present the enemy all the Crimean Tatar people – as well as others, in particular Kalmyks … I lived as a child in the Altai region, and I had a friend – Kalmyk, who was with his family to get evicted. This happened a long time ago. And when allowed, they returned to Kalmykia. Here the story is more tragic because the Crimean Tatars were able to return to the Crimea alone, in my opinion, in the late ’80s, under Gorbachev, if I do not get them mixed up. Of course, it is an insult. To them in everyday life looked upon as some traitors, fascist hirelings. All this affects the relationship of the Crimean Tatars in the circles in which they lived. This Stalinist attempt to present the people as their enemies of the fatherland, of course, terrible.

Unfortunately, what we are seeing is, in part looks like this, including the recent decision of which you have said. Although it was preceded by a lengthy process. It is not easy to feed Mrs. Poklonsky all it appeared. After the Crimea was annexed to the Russian Federation, as far as I know, we were set up parallel to the Crimean Tatar structure. They created three for two years, – sworn allegiance to Moscow to agree with everything. And creates an illusion: think of it, the Majlis – the body established at the time the Kurultai, and in fact all Crimean Tatars rallied around the governor of the Kremlin in the Crimea – Mr. Aksenov.

На мой взгляд, дело обстоит не так. Подобного рода вещи практиковались, практикуются и будут практиковаться. Что, на мой взгляд, не приводит к тем результатам, которые замышляли их инициаторы. Расколоть крымский народ не удастся. Были отдельные люди, которые в годы войны сотрудничали с немецкими оккупантами, и сейчас есть нечто подобное. Но в целом крымский народ, как мне кажется, един в своем желании сохранить свою самобытность, свои обычаи. Он един в желании не подвергаться давлению из Москвы, из Киева или еще откуда-то. Это закаленные люди. В генах этих людей – стремление сохранить свое достоинство. А сейчас мы видим попытки растоптать это достоинство – попытки крайне неуклюжие, о чем достаточно справедливо заметил Евросоюз.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: We connected Mustafa Dzhemilev, the former Soviet political prisoner, leader of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people, MP of the Verkhovna Rada.

Mustafa, held true whether the rehabilitation of the Crimean Tatars after Stalin’s deportation?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: No Ukraine deported Crimean Tatars and the Soviet Union. Therefore, it was the adoption of the law on the restoration of political and social rights of the Crimean Tatar people. The Ukrainian parliament has been quite a lot of forces that resist it – pro-Russian forces, the Communists. It was not possible. But after the occupation, somewhere this law was passed in the 20 days of March. There clearly is called deportation as a crime against humanity, and adopted a series of measures aimed at restoring. But time has been lost. This law should have been taken long ago.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: And who of Russian dissidents and human rights activists fought along with you for the restoration of the rights of your people? Everyone remembers the fate of General Grigorenko. What was this man?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Our national movement was democratic, so it attracted the sympathy of many human rights defenders, enlightened people. Among the Russian intelligentsia, one of the first who spoke out in defense of the rights of the Crimean Tatar people was writer Aleksey Kosterin. He drew attention to this problem General Pyotr Grigorenko. By the time he was a political prisoner. And somewhere in the 66-year, in my opinion, he is actively involved in our national movement. You could say he was one of the authorities. In those days in the homes of the Crimean Tatars could often be seen portraits are not only veterans of the national movement, but Petra Grigorenko. Indeed, it was a very brave man who did everything in his power. He has made an invaluable contribution to our national movement, and primarily in the promotion,

And it must be said about Sakharov, who was connected to the issue later, but he was also very effective in its activities in support of our national movement.

If we follow the trials of the national movement activists, among them there were a lot of Russian, Ukrainian, Baltic defenders who in one way or another in contact with the national movement of the Crimean Tatars, and expressed to him the solidarity support. And you’re right: Pyotr Grigorenko – it is the brightest figure in our national movement.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: recently filmed a feature film about the tragedy of your people. But it is still not allowed on the Russian screen. Remind them that it is for the film, and why he has such a hard fate rolling.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: This is the first and only feature film on the subject. Our entrepreneur to finance it. It is called “Haytarma”. Haytarma – is a dance, but then “Haytarma” – a return to his homeland. The film speaks of deportation. According to some estimates, something softened. A pro-Russian people say it shows too cruel. From our point of view, the film turned out to be very successful.

And Russia is reviving the Stalinist regime, at least – in the occupied Crimea. And any films, books exposing the Soviet government policies perceived as an insult to the Russian people and the Russian Federation.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Valery, after the deportation of only two people not been restored statehood – a Volga Germans and Crimean Tatars. Why Khrushchev was afraid to return to their statehood?

Valery Khomyakov: Hard to say, because of what is happening. There are many cities in the Saratov region, where the Volga Germans lived before the war was a republic of the Volga Germans. Apparently, the Soviet Union then leaders feared would create a kind of enclave that is because of their dissatisfaction with the fact that they were driven at the time from their homes, to create a structure that can be “total maverick.”

Chechens and Kalmyks returned to their land, gained statehood, at least, that they now have in the form of republics within the Russian Federation. But the Crimean Tatars and Volga Germans fate was more tragic. Many Germans have left their historical homeland, because the law of the Federal Republic of Germany, ethnic German is actually considered to be a citizen of the Federal Republic of Germany. A Crimean Tatars go particularly nowhere. Someone went to a variety of reasons, but mostly they are somehow tied to the land where they were born. Crimea for the Crimean Tatars – this is the Promised Land, they were born there, and much earlier, than there came the Russian troops. This distinguishes the fate of the Volga Germans from the fate of the Crimean Tatars, which, unfortunately, is not so happy as we would like.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Let’s listen to a journalist Eider Muzhdabaeva, deputy director general of the Crimean Tatar TV channel the ATR, which believes that the ban Majlis almost impossible.

Eider Muzhdabaev: prohibitions against the Majlis – a symbolic act, since it is impossible to ban the Mejlis, because he was never officially registered. This Crimean Tatar self-government, which is almost 30 years old. Therefore, the ban in formal terms is negligible.

And with the actual point of view, this means not ban the Mejlis, and the fact that they facilitate the process itself of repression against the Crimean Tatars. That is no longer necessary to prove fictitious guilt – some phony terrorism, which they can not nobody “sew” in the Crimea for two years looking for weapons and explosives in their homes, but nothing, of course, can not be found. Will not need to ascribe any other illegal actions – mass disorders, which are trying to concoct criminal cases, the reason for that, too, of course, was not. All this bogus charges. They are tired of this formality, as in his time Stalin NKVDshniki tired of the first trials. So they then came up with the “troika” and the people began to quickly judge and destroy the plant. The same purpose, there are in the decision. Accused of involvement in the Majlis of Crimean Tatar can be any. Now, any book with a portrait of Cemil will be the basis for the Russian court. Gates for mass repressions opened.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Mustafa, remind, please, what was the statutory objectives of the Mejlis, speaking bureaucratic language? For which he was created?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: It is the representative body of the Crimean Tatar people, which defends the rights of the Crimean Tatars in local government, that is to promote and co-operation with the authorities to solve our problems, as well as to represent Crimean Tatars at the international level. Before ’91, when it was created our first Kurultai and Majlis elected, we can say that a full representative of the Crimean Tatar people was the National Movement of Crimean Tatars. A 89-year – The organization of the Crimean Tatar national movement.

And in the run-up of the Soviet Union, when there was a “restructuring”, it was possible to hold elections – though not quite openly, but, nevertheless, there was such an opportunity – decided to establish a representative body of the Crimean Tatars, who is elected directly by the people, regardless whether it is involved in the national movement or not. And here on the principle of “one delegate to the national convention of thousands of people” across the Soviet Union, where Crimean Tatars lived, held elections of delegates. So, these delegates were chosen at the national congress of 250 people. He was called the Second National Congress, because the First National Congress was in the 17th year of its shot by the Bolsheviks. And the National Congress elected by ballot 33 human members of the Majlis for five years – is the executive body of the Kurultai of the Crimean Tatar people. But this is the tip of the iceberg.

Then came the elections of local and regional Mejlis in all the places of residence of the Crimean Tatars. Thus, the last elections were in 2012, at the time of the occupation of the Crimea were about 230 local and regional majlis, which involved a total of 2 000 300 people. Therefore, when we speak of the prohibition of the Majlis – is not only a ban on 33 persons, but also the entire system of the national government of the Crimean Tatar people. That is only 2 thousand 300 local and regional members of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people, the Kurultai delegates in total – somewhere in the 2.5 thousand people. In accordance with the logic of the Russian law they are called extremists. And the one who helps or elect these “extremists” – is also a kind of “extremists.” And it turns out that almost all Crimean Tatar people can be called “

So now, maybe not immediately, but it offers scope for large-scale repression against the whole of the Crimean Tatar people.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Eider Muzhdabaev believes that the international community is powerless to help the Crimean Tatars.

Eider Muzhdabaev: The international community can not do anything other than allegations. In general, none of the Crimean Tatars is not acting, except a tiny group of conscientious people in Russia. It will, of course, to the massive repression against the Crimean Tatars. And most importantly – to the atmosphere of total fear. Already, people are on the phone talking very cautiously, afraid to say an extra word. I know the atmosphere among the Crimean Tatars – it is terrible, this atmosphere of insecurity, injustice, in the 30s.

They should completely suppress the Crimean Tatar people, to destroy it as an entity, leave it only as a screen, to in some celebrations people trained tray pasties and kissed portraits of Putin. They also understand that the Crimean Tatars will never put up with this, will never recognize the results of the illegal conduct and fraudulent, shameful referendum in which 97 percent of the allegedly favored the Crimea joining Russia. Of course, this is complete nonsense. Crimean Tatars in general on this referendum did not go. And these results could not be. But the Crimean Tatars – is the main piece of evidence in the case of the illegal annexation of Crimea. And this evidence, of course, must be destroyed. To be neither heard nor seen the Crimean Tatars to all feared. Now they will threaten, so people who can not live in this atmosphere will leave.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: And it likely that in this way almost all the people outlawed?

Valery Khomyakov:It turns out so. At least that is what we are now seeing, and events that do not bring the Lord, will be developed in this way. Crimean Tatar – now more than banderovets from Western Ukraine. And their stooges sitting in the Crimea. That will be, I think, the supply of our “great” promoters, which are now the subject of the Crimean Tatar people can grasp and apply them as “corrupt hirelings Ukrainian, Kiev junta West, the State Department and all the rest.” We have seen this in other examples. And unfortunately, nothing good about it for ordinary citizens of Russia. Because once it ends. And the desire of the machine, which consumes (or trying to eat) all dissent and all those people who believe that we shall make a great stupidity on the Crimea – on this machine will devour the people already in Moscow, as it is done.

But I ask another question: what does it do its proponents? Well, all the people in prison will not plant, in which Stalin was convinced: tried – failed. Hitler tried to do – also failed. Someone thinks that Putin will succeed? No, it will not work. Sooner or later, this story will end, and the reputation of our country in view of the fact that leadership behaves … I do not think this is the Kremlin’s decision. I think it has matured into a beautiful head of Mrs. Poklonsky, which has, in my opinion, even the generals began. Its rapid political rise, it is now almost the most popular man in Russia. I would place Mr Chaika bother for the armchair. With such prospects it can safely move to the Big Dmitrovka, where the Prosecutor General’s Office. Well, you can not go on about the ambitions, let the pretty and young ladies in the form of public prosecutor. The damage is much higher.

Do not you put down the Crimean Tatar people, for all your wish. I repeat, it is in the genes of these people – resistance. Stalin raised their lives, and some post-Soviet. I remember when it all started. Then Crimea Yuriy Meshkov was president, and Sergei Tsekov, in my opinion, was the chairman of the Supreme Council.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: A Prime Minister was, in my opinion, an economist Yevgeny Saburov.

Valery Khomyakov: I remember those times, since then has been one of the leaders of the “Democratic Party of Russia.” Many have tried to meet with Nikolai Travkin, then leader, and he sent them to me, “Yuri Meshkov come talk to him.” I say, “Who is this?” – “President of the Crimea.” I do not remember, I met with him or not, A S Tsekovym exactly met. And then he drew me a terrible picture that returned Crimean Tatars, trying to seize the land. But they are not trying to take away, they just want to go back to where they were illegally rounded up in due time. By the way, it is, I believe, was, perhaps, one of those people with whom he started. And then I went to the then Supreme Council and, apparently, tried to cry out: “Help us now! We are the Crimean Tatars to places sleeves protect us.!”

This myth in the early ’90s seriously affected some of our politicians. Maybe even some Boris Yeltsin, who could call Mr. Kravchuk and say, “You there is not very much .. Help, and we are now you’ll have such autonomy in the Crimea!” There are a bunch of contradictions and partly inexperience then Russian authorities. Maybe you can forgive her for what was then the Russian Federation was not to the Crimea. But if you rewind the tape back, probably could find a common language with the then leadership of the Crimea, which is a short time, thank God, sat, and find some digestible formula to Crimean Tatars received their national autonomy on the Crimean peninsula. Do not go for it. As a result, the disease persists, it is not resolved.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: And what progress has been made during the democratization? I know that it was possible to create a number of schools in the Crimean Tatar language, a little restore land rights. How did you begin this process, which seems to go positive?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I would like to say about the fact that the idea of the ban could not be born with Putin, and the head of Madame Poklonsky. This is absolutely wrong. Madame Poklonskaya, the stories of many – is the girl with the intellect Vosmiklassnica. Actually, it is possible to trace how it is sometimes speaks without notes. Immediately we can understand with whom we are dealing. It will not make a step without having to not get instructions from Moscow. The main force in the occupied Crimea – is the FSB. There’s enough clicks, or pointers – and she will run to where she will say. Therefore overestimate the role of Madame hardly worth it.

And one wonders: why do such nonsense? In particular, the Russian leadership is not only banned the Majlis. If we proceed from the interests of the Russian Federation, then do come to the Crimea was a great folly, like the rest of the war with Ukraine. This damage, in my opinion, no one would be able to inflict. And now, in the West say straight out that it was not yet the head of the country, which would bring so much harm to the state in the history of Russia.

And to answer your question. We all went very hard and was not easy in Ukraine. Not because Ukraine as a whole does not want to solve our problems, just we had very different political forces … Here a conglomerate. We have all the time in the election supported the democratic forces. A democratic forces almost never been in power, except for a few short periods. The main power on the territory of the autonomy was in the Russian-speaking hands of pro-Russian majority. Now it is the majority of the occupants waited on. We had a very large land problems. Crimean Tatars, despite the fact that they were somewhere in the 14 percent of the population of the peninsula, in the structures of power, depending on what that structure – takes from zero to 2.5-3 percent. That is discrimination in their homeland – in 4-5 times. For example, in the Security Service, which was 2 thousand 300 workers – was not one of the Crimean Tatars. The prosecutor’s office – a few tenths of a percent. Not a single judge. That is, such a structure.

Nevertheless, Ukraine – a democratic state, and it was possible to somehow defend their rights. With great difficulty we gradually defend them. 14 percent of Crimean Tatars with great difficulty in the native language to open 14 schools, and ethnic Ukrainians are not so organized, and although they made up 23-25 ​​percent of the population of the peninsula – they have 7 schools. It all depended on how active we were. We helped our organization. And the land problems. Poklonskaya now saying: “Over the years, the Majlis has not solved the problems of land of the Crimean Tatars.” Allow me, as if in the Majlis had some opportunity to give orders and to allocate land! Majlis only organized protests demanding the allocation of land. And thank God, at least something we wanted. But it was still in the hands of the authorities,

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Eider Muzhdabaev noted that the mood of depressed people in the Crimea.

Eider Muzhdabaev: In this situation, the Crimean Tatars were probably only at the time of deportation, when any soldier could poke their butt, shoot at anyone, and so on. You can not even be an activist – it does not matter. You can not like a neighbor, a colleague, your store may not like competitor – all have nothing. You – Crimean Tatar, and that’s enough to you to write a denunciation.

Even in this regard, there is a social problem. The fact that there will be processes that we are well familiar with Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union under Stalin, when from people who may fall under the repression will be shy, like lepers. And as for all the Crimea it is obvious that all Crimean Tatars may potentially become victims of repression, with the Crimean Tatars will be less talk; they will speak to their children not to go to visit them, will be a little talk, be treated like a leper. Because you communicate today with Crimean Tatar, and tomorrow he will be a “terrorist”.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: In Bulgaria and in some republics of Yugoslavia was a special process slavyanizatsii. All Turkic names changed to Slavic to somehow dilute the nationality, the memory of the Turkish rule. Can the Kremlin to organize something like this and against the Crimean Tatars?

Valery Khomyakov:In our country, it is difficult something is to believe. You never know what will come to mind to some minister. To prove his loyalty, he can come up with anything. I would not want to come to this. And so the cones stuffed himself, many in Europe and elsewhere twist finger to his temple, when they look at the policy of our state. I hope, to this still will not come, but attempts can be. Do zealous officials who want to make a political career, no less “shiny” than Madame Poklonsky that nobody knew two years ago, and now she was almost to the State Duma met, even without primaries. I think maybe it would be nice … his political career in the State Duma few people did. I saw Aleksandr Ivanovich Lebed walked, when he became a State Duma deputy, he was not interesting to anyone. And Mrs. Poklonskaya. Maybe there will be more tolerant person, but this is not our problem.

As for the possibilities and attempts russify this part of the Crimean Tatars, who for various reasons, have begun to cooperate with the authorities … I remind you that there is one Crimean Tatar, in my opinion, the vice-premier in the government of Crimea. Well, people went to work – but for God’s sake! But if you work it, work for the benefit, including the Crimean Tatar people. What he likes this kind of action? On the prohibition of the Mejlis, he probably could have done a little more demonstrative step and get away from the Crimean management. Looks like guts.

I still see this blatant stupidity attempt to split the Crimean Tatars into several pieces. And we, ordinary citizens, through the famous canals and show in certain programs that they’re all here for Putin for the Kremlin, for its multi-ethnic, peaceful policy as they used to say. And that there is some fringe represented by the Mejlis, Mr. Cemil, Chubarov and other people who are not already in the Crimea, unfortunately, they were forced to leave – were driven from their homes of people … To this we must be prepared in including the heads of the Mejlis. A organization, I think you can always come up with a different form. Especially Muzhdabaev quite correctly noted – is not in the Ministry of Justice of the registration of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people. There is no such organization. How can you deny what is not ?! So, people can come up with some form of so

Поэтому тут приходится, видимо, достаточно непросто жителям Крыма, которые считают себя крымскими татарами. Мы это видели по другим тенденциям, которые очень четко просматриваются в нашей внутренней политике. Но я не понимаю руководство России. Им-то это зачем? Что, мало шишек вы набили? Вы хотите поссориться с исламским миром окончательно и бесповоротно? Тут бед натворили, а потом надо бежать в Саудовскую Аравию: “Ребята, давайте сократим объем нефти”. Вы чего-нибудь одно выбирайте, в конце концов. Сколько можно эту глупость смотреть?! Я давно живу на белом свете, видел всяких руководителей, и глупости у них тоже были. Но были какие-то рациональные зерна в поведении. А здесь я не вижу рациональности. Одна иррациональность, одни эмоции, одно желание угодить верховному царю. А дальше что? Хоть бы на шаг вперед посмотрели, что дальше будет.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Even Stalin’s executioners had the good sense to leave one of the hero of the Crimean Tatar people – the pilot Amet-Khan Sultan. And then he died a mysterious death. And now almost all dealt with moral authority. After all, no one can go back to their homeland.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Stalin had not had the sense to leave Amet-Khan Sultan in Crimea. At that time he lived in Moscow. And in accordance with the law, since he twice Hero of the Soviet Union, he placed the bust and was told that he could live. But he said: “What should I do there?” And he is not moved to the Crimea.

And the prospect of Russification of the settlements of the Crimea. This has been done by Stalin. There russify nothing. All Russian already there. I think that in the near future Ukraine will pass a law on the restoration of the historical place names. Already in terms decommunisation somewhere in 67 settlements of the Crimea renamed. And on all maps of the world will be the names of those villages, which will be adopted by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine. Because legally Crimea is part of the Ukrainian state.

And about the moral authorities. Russian practice was initially “buy” Majlis. This was caused by an invitation to me to Moscow. Somewhere in 35-40 minutes we were on the phone with Mr. Putin said on this subject. Mountain promises we happily alive in the Russian Federation. But when that did not work, when we said that first print its troops from our territory, but if you want to assist, then sit down at the negotiating table with our guide – even then, of course, the atmosphere changed. And the tactic was, of course, to evict people who, from their point of view can affect the mood of the people, to lead any protest movement. And indeed it is now Russia’s policy is to ensure that displace the Crimean Tatars, as it was during the time of the first occupation of the reign of Catherine II. Then, too, they were deported, robbed land. As a result, many Crimean Tatars left their lands and moved to the Ottoman Empire. Now in Turkey where some 10 times more of the Crimean Tatars, than in the Crimea. And now this policy continues.

There are facts of kidnapping and murder. We follow, whom they kidnapped and murdered. It is not only the activists of the national movement. People have the impression that no one is guaranteed. And not only the facts of murders are not investigated – it is used as a bargaining chip. For example, when questioned by some of the members of the Majlis, or an activist of the national movement in the current Crimea, if he keeps with dignity, say to him: “Are not you afraid to become a” ischeznoventsem “Or:” Are not you afraid that tomorrow your children may disappear? “the practice is that even when Stalin was not done Yes, under Stalin dissidents killed, shot, but to openly say.” Tomorrow your children will disappear, if you behave this way “- is rarely practiced now revived all. most gloomy, it was under the Soviet regime.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Journalist Eider Muzhdabaev struck by the indifference of the Russian society.

Eider Muzhdabaev: I am struck by the passivity of the Russian society, which is already itself is on the verge of total repression. I am struck by the indifference of the Russian public, including the so-called liberal. I have all these strikes and sad surprise. It seems to me, no lessons were not learned. And just as the liberal Germans calmly looked at the beginning of repression against the Jews when Jewish organizations were forbidden, when only was the first voice that “Jews do us harm, we let it close, ban”, many were silent. And many journalists are silent, many public figures were silent. Why this silence led – can not remember. I think that here the silence that creates Russia with the Crimean Tatars, I regard as a sign of agreement with this policy. This stunning cowardice, which can not be explained by anything,

Vladimir Kara-Murza, Sr.: The website of the Human Rights Council under the President Nikolai Svanidze just plucked up courage and asked about the disappearance of the Crimean Tatars. It has been 9 people by the time it was last fall. And no one else has raised this issue with the authorities, with the Kremlin.

Valery Khomyakov: Unfortunately, it is. So it turns out that either it is not interesting to anyone of those people, journalists and human rights, or they go about their business, and they do not care about the Crimean Tatars.

I thought that’s what connection with our theme. It seems to be calm Republic of Tatarstan in the national plan. Although in the early 90’s there all the seething, and no less than in Chechnya. And only thanks to the Shaimiev could somehow prevent the explosion. Until recently. But recently I heard the news on one of the radio channels: Vsetatarsky community center (quite nationalistic) long statement currently no resemblance, and then decided to give some object Russian name. And now starting to raise the question of what we need to give the name Tatar.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Station Kazan subway, they want to rename.

Valery Khomyakov:Maybe it’s not so bad, but the fact that such an attitude to the citizens or to those organizations who are Muslims who allegedly considered Russian territory, according to the Crimea, our government and the majority of society, may wittingly or unwittingly encourage nationalist currents in the republics where Islam dominates. I would very much like to be wrong, but I fear that such a danger can arise. It is this: “You insult our there, so then let’s call a subway station, but not so.” And nationalism – this thing is so, it arises out of nothing, from scratch, it would seem. And that seems to be now seems peaceful enough, whether in Tatarstan and other republics … Sometimes the spark is enough to blazed that we observe between Armenia and Azerbaijan, and God forbid, if I was right. But I think,

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Mustafa, I know that you do not recognize territorial changes that have occurred over the past two years. Who would you help to influence the situation? Maybe, the Moscow Helsinki Group? Or are you still be equal to the Ukrainian human rights activists?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: First, about Tatarstan. Tatarstan would like to put forward as a mediator. In the early days of the occupation, President of Tatarstan Minnikhanov obscene often came to the Crimea to persuade us that now we will be together with the Russian Federation. A power saw that there was no sense of that mediation, not even harm some … Because somehow become Tatar envoys from Tatarstan reason is not entirely wrong when he explained that this position is not acceptable to us, and them removed. And now there are visitors from Tatarstan virtually none. Basically right now visitors – it is the FSB.

Возникает вопрос: как защитить права крымских татар? Я об этом говорил и в Страсбурге, в Парламентской Ассамблее Совета Европы, в Совете Безопасности 18 марта. Защитить права крымских татар в оккупационном состоянии невозможно. Потому что в Российском государстве отсутствуют демократические свободы. И в оккупированных территориях они, конечно, не будут создавать какой-то демократический анклав. Поэтому единственный путь защиты наших прав – приложить все усилия для того, чтобы агрессор, оккупант покинул нашу территорию. Другого выхода я просто не вижу.

Of course, we are grateful to Kasyanov, who recently said that Crimea one way or another will be returned. And then I called from Moscow and said: “Why do you rely on this Kasyanov In the elections he gets no more than 7-8 percent of the vote?”. I say: “It’s great here is such propaganda, as if all the Russians – that!” Quilted jackets “Still 7-8 percent of normal people you have.”. And thank God, at least some have a layer that understands what’s what, guided by the interests of the people, and not some kind of chauvinistic ambitions. But, of course, sadly, that most glad that they have such a manual bandit that it snapped off part of the territory of another country. It’s very sad. It’s tragic and disastrous for Russia. This occupation, no one will ever admit. In Crimea, there is no prospect not only for the Crimean Tatar people, but also for the entire population. It will be subsidized, decaying region. Even Russian economists have estimated that every year include the Crimea, even in such a depressed state, as now, will cost the Russian budget in the $ 4-5 billion. Therefore, the only way – is the restoration of international law and the maintenance of invaders from our territory.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Can you recognize the jurisdiction of the Strasbourg Court of Human Rights and PACE? Or you do not want to admit that your rights are now being violated on the territory of Russia?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Of course, we treat and will appeal. There is a decision of the Strasbourg Court on specific issues. But Russia is not fulfilling them. It does not fulfill even its own legislation. For example, the prohibition of the Majlis. The accusation is made up of 650 pages – it’s mostly excerpts from my speeches, Chubarov and other members of the Majlis that we do not recognize the occupation, we demand the withdrawal of foreign troops from our territory. And for this reason they say that we are encroaching on the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation and the Russian Federation poses a threat to security. So, the process is not over, not yet read the so-called decision of the court, and the Ministry of Justice has introduced Majlis in its list of banned extremist organizations. Where is the logic here? And recently, it was decided that Russia can not implement the decisions of international courts, including the European Court of Human Rights if they are contrary to the interests of Russia. So what the hell you were then to the European Council ?! There was a duty that you will comply with the decisions of the European Council and the European Court. Well, there is no logic. And we recognize and will recognize the judgments of the European Court.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Yes, the Constitutional Court did not accept to be able to vote to prisoners.

And how many of your like-minded people are now prisoners in Russian prisons?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: In total we have 13 members. There are three categories of prisoners. One category – it is for religious reasons. While there is nothing extremist they did not commit, they only found some literature, a Russian point of view – banned, extremist. The second group – those who met me May 3, 2014. It turns out that they illegally crossed the border. From the point of view of international law it is not a border. They moved from one part of Ukraine in the other. As a result, they have had clashes with riot police.

A third category, in which the sitting and the first deputy of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people Ahtem Chiygoz – this meeting February 26, 2014, before the so-called annexation, before the occupation, to the so-called referendum. The Crimean Tatars were against the attempts of the separatist forces in Crimea joining Russia. Here is the February 26 rally, they are regarded as unauthorized and illegal. And that, on 26 February we had to take permission to hold a rally? They act in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, and there did not have to take permission to hold rallies. Here on such absurd accusations is now Ahtemu Chiygozu faces from 15 and up to 20 years in prison. They believe that he organized a rally against annexation to Russia.

And most importantly – the situation of terror. In total, up to the end of last year was, in my opinion, more than 200 searches in homes, schools, mosques of the Crimean Tatars. 95-96 percent – it searches in the homes and in the schools of the Crimean Tatars.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: We expect that once again will be denied and the Day of memory of victims of deportation. Some hotheads think they can ban and Pushkin’s poem “The Fountain of Bakhchisarai” and mention of the Giray dynasty.

Sourse, 27/04/2016

In Crimea, the situation of fear prevails, the feeling of complete vulnerability to arbitrary

August 22, 2015

Mustafa Dzhemilev, the People’s Deputy of Ukraine, leader of the Crimean Tatar people for many is an example. The man who broke into the ordeal and did not buy generous promises. It is compulsory in their promises and consistent actions. Now, when the Crimea was in the Russian occupation, Mustafa-aga is making for the liberation of their motherland more effort than the Foreign Ministry and other government institutions of Ukraine, together.

Mustafa Dzhemilev in a conversation with “Internet” spoke about his international activities and relations with the Russian justice. He expressed his views on the law that declared annexed Crimea free economic zone and promised that if the corruption loophole is closed, he and his supporters would block the road to the Crimea, on which ride the wagon with food and other goods for the occupants.

– Mr. Cemil, now, when Crimea was annexed by the Russians, where your family lives?

– In Bakhchisarai. I live there my wife and son.

– How often do you see them and how to keep in touch?

– Not very often. Last time my wife and I traveled together in Ankara on Congress. She silent fears often leave the Crimea – the logic of the current Crimean authorities can not understand them at any time may not be allowed back. And there – family, friends, home, elderly mother. In addition, the exit of any national of Crimea is perceived very painfully and disapproval. Like, I invite all to suffer and not to leave the Crimea, while they themselves were taken away their relatives!

– Relatives in the Crimea received Russian passports?

– My wife – no, for it is fundamentally, and daughter also did not get, so it is fired from his job at the Tauride University. But the vast majority of Crimean residents still have to get these passports, because without them there to live virtually impossible – not to seek medical help, or get a job, or to issue the property nor any bureaucratic issues can not be solved without Russian documents.

– What has changed in their reviews are now living in the Crimea?

– Everything they say that in the Crimea is now reigns atmosphere of fear, a feeling of complete vulnerability to tyranny. Even on holidays, at weddings do not have the joy that was before. People are afraid to talk to each other. The social position of the people, with the exception of the military, police and government officials, also deteriorated significantly – reducing wages, reducing purchasing power, high cost, long queues in hospitals, etc. And angry, too, is strictly prohibited, it is only necessary to express joy over the “return” of the Crimea to Russia.

– Even among the Crimean Tatars are afraid to be frank?

– there was a lot of snitches. Yes, and listening devices around them stuffed.

– The Russian authorities are blackmailing you your son. What do they offer you?

– Once in August last year, one of the advisers of the Russian president was Kiev and said that Vladimir Vladimirovich wanted to talk back to me, I said that we can only meet in Kiev, because I was denied entry to Russia. I replied that if I would agree to a meeting, then, depending on what the results will be achieved on it, my son the next day will be at home, and I can safely travel to the Crimea. To this I said to him: “That is Vladimir Vladimirovich is holding my son hostage So he’s a terrorist You tell him that we do not conduct negotiations with terrorists?”.

After it went my statement to the press, he called me and complained that I was about the confidentiality clause told the media. And I say, “So you do not make me indecent proposals”. Now this advisor, apparently for something that does not cope with the task, it is very far distant from Putin.

– What fate awaits Now your son?

– He was sentenced to five years in prison for manslaughter. By all the laws, including the Russian, he should be handed over to Ukraine, because the event took place in the territory of Ukraine, and the victim, and my son, too, are the Ukrainian citizens. My son’s lawyer in court talking about the illegality and illegitimacy of such actions. There is also a decision of the European Court of Human Rights that he be extradited, but Russia is not considered with the verdict and did not even respond to our Ministry of Foreign Affairs requests.

My wife also gave readings there. The court, by the way, took place in Krasnodar, Krasnodar, and in addition the prosecutor at the trial was attended by 2 Prosecutor of Crimea. They also asked some questions that my wife said, “I’m on the question of traitors who have violated the oath of his country, do not answer.”

But the jury – it is, in my opinion, one of those units that the Putin regime is not able to control. Both my wife and daughter said that by the jury to him felt some sympathy. When everything came out of the courtroom, one of the women, the jury wished them: “May God give you good luck!”

– Mustafa-aga, what, in your opinion, Ukraine should pursue a policy in relation to the occupied Crimea? And how do you assess the Law “On free economic zones”, according to which Crimea declared a territory?

– On the topic of the law, I have repeatedly talked with the President and the Prime Minister. This is absurd: the occupied territory are declared free economic zone. Yes, to maintain communication with the peninsula, to ensure movement of citizens need. But our power is all done vice versa – are all sorts of obstacles at the entrance and the entrance to the Crimea with Ukrainian passports of people, representatives of the Diaspora, and to carry loads kilometers of queues trucks that follow almost without any checks.

We even conducted an experiment: sent to a person abroad, he comes to customs with the question as to whether they help hold the wagon, not figuring out what cargo it carries. “$ 500, – says he – and another 500 will have to give the border guards.” As a result, a bargain for a total of $ 800. Without checking, pay – and take me what you want!

All this talk, they say, there live our fellow citizens, they can not be left without food – it is the purest nonsense, it does not care about the citizens, if 90% of imported products in the Crimea and then moves on to Russia. But even that, what remains is primarily for the supply of military units. The shops, of course, also is part.

Without doubt, the main supplier of products to the peninsula – it is Ukraine, and if we do not supply them, where prices rise sharply. Russia will have to diversify the supplies, delivering goods by aircraft and ferries, but they will cost several times more expensive. But we continue to carefully feed the invaders and protect the Russian treasury of additional costs.

– What you said the president of the law on SEZs?

– During our last conversation with him, I said that we will block these columns trucks and special no objection.

And the Cabinet is now drawn up a list of goods that can be passed and in what amount. Also planned to establish hubs in the Kherson region – ie, large markets, where the inhabitants of the Crimea will come to buy food.

– It will be convenient for residents of the Crimea, living close to the border with Kherson region. Others, perhaps, will be expensive to travel?

– They do not care it will cost is 2-2.5 times cheaper than buying products in the Crimea. There will be sold not only products, but also construction materials – cement, crushed stone, etc. for individual use, which are now imported from Ukraine in the Crimea as a free economic zone. But the large-scale importation of trucks these materials to the Crimea, which are used in the construction of landfills for Russian missile systems for nuclear base, which is now settling for Kyzyltash, should not be.

– Mustafa-aga, you Simferopol was a charity fund “Krim”. At the moment he was arrested by the Russian authorities?

– First, they said that the Fund can not function because its founder is a foreign national, that is me. they have made themselves a foreigner. Foundation staff compromised and expelled me from its composition, although the statute is not written that I am the founder, as it is based the decision of the National Congress (Kurultai), and members of his administration also appointed by decision of the National Congress, and I, as chairman of the Majlis, of course, was the president of the Foundation.

The Russian authorities, who came to the Crimea, blocked the activity of the Foundation, and all that belongs to the Fund, and therefore the Majlis – buildings, offices – were arrested.

Moreover, all these assets were purchased by us and is privately owned. For example, building on the street. Schmidt 2 in Simferopol, which is considered an architectural monument, was bought by us many years ago, 40 or 45 thousand. Dollars.

All work carried out to repair the building, should be consistent with the architecture of the Committee. So, apart from the fact that the seizure of property was imposed due to the fact that I – “foreign” citizens, even house arrest because without the consent of the Russian architectural department repair of the roof was carried out there. This is so stupid … Are roof repairs should have been in the Ukrainian Crimea negotiate with Moscow? Well, if you would not have made the repair, then certainly he would have seized because “architectural monument” resulted in a state of neglect.

– That is the repair of the roof was carried out prior to the occupation, and the claims presented to you now?

– Of course. In fact of all the absurd.

– Yes, the Russians in the Crimea does not cease to amaze. Mustafa-aga, you filed suit in Moscow’s Basmanny Court to invalidate the decision of the Federal Migration Service to ban the entry you in Crimea. Why Moscow court?

– The lawsuit filed in the Basmanny Court lawyer, Mark Feigin, which protects our Hope Savchenko. Moreover, not in the hope of obtaining a fair judgment on the abolition of the ban arrogant, but to at least find out – what authority and who is hated this decision.

After all, in our hands is not a single document, where it would say something about the ban. I have in the cordon with Crimea on April 19 last year, just read out the paper on which there was no signature, no seal. The lawsuit was to determine who still ruled the ban. In theory, it was supposed to make the Federal Migration Service, but they say they do not do that. Even information on the prohibition of entry I have on the website of the Military Prosecutor’s Office, but also without specifying who took this decision. There is only a kind of justification for the ban – say, represent a threat to the territorial integrity and security of Russia.

And there are even more voluminous document authorship Crimean prosecutor’s office, in which he explained what I bad person, are gleaned from the Internet “anti-Russian” quotes from my interviews and stuff.

So at the trial it became clear that a decision on me took out the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation, even though it does not fit into the Russian legislation, because it is the prerogative of the Federal Service for Migration. But the document with the FSB, too, so no one has presented. Now we have moved to the next stage of the story, it will conclude that now Mark Feigin is preparing documents for the ECHR.

– And why you turned to Russian lawyer?

– To find out what and where it came from in this case, it is necessary in the territory of Russia. Who is going to file a lawsuit with the ECHR – I or Feigin – whether it is necessary that documents of all levels were collected in Russia. That’s it, Mark does.

– What do you think, whether Ukraine should demand compensation from Russia for the assets in the Crimea? And it will not look as if we sell the Crimea?

– Payment shall be required for damages, for all that they have destroyed, taken away. And it’s time to force this point through the international courts to bring lawsuits Russia, and since it will not pay, then seize the property of Russia abroad. We are late with this case, and “YUKOS” Mihaila Hodorkovskogo, for example, won a lawsuit against the US $ 50 billion and now slowly begins to take the Russian property in some countries. The litigation lasted a long time and this was not easy, but in the “Yukos’ former shareholders eventually won. And here the situation is more obvious than that there – there is a violation not only of the economic rights, and international.

– Mustafa-aga, the decree of President of Ukraine you are appointed by the Commissioner of the Crimean Tatar people. Tell me, how we internally displaced persons from the Crimea?

– Displaced we mainly engaged in charity Crimea-SOS and representative of the UN High Commissariat for Refugees Ukraine, who led Oldrich Andrusek.

Cadence it was over, but instead wanted to appoint a former GDRovskogo Komsomolets, who has close ties with Russia. Our Foreign Ministry is justified objected to his candidacy and now representative of the High Commissioner, as it were, without the boss.

Check with great precision of movement of the inhabitants of the peninsula is impossible. But last year Andrusek said that moved about 10 thousand people, half of them – the Crimean Tatars. Who receives information about 21 000 and about 35 thousand. Slightly more than half of all internally displaced persons from the Crimea up the Crimean Tatars, because for them there is the greatest pressure.

– any cases of human rights violations you have fixed in the Crimea, both in terms of the Crimean Tatars, and the rest of the population. And how do you respond to them?

– We can not control everything, but now we already are building a network of correspondents all over the Crimea. This thing is very expensive and dangerous, because there is shadowing the Russian special services delivered at a high level. We collect information on the lines of the Mejlis also created their own network Crimean News Agency with the center in Kiev and ATR channel.

– What we have today in Ukraine there are programs, projects for the return of the Crimea under the jurisdiction of Ukraine?

– a detailed strategy for the return of the Crimea we do not have. But I expressed my opinion, it is that the military way of Crimea return is not possible, it was necessary to shoot at the beginning, and now, according to various estimates, the peninsula is concentrated from 60 to 80 thousand Russian troops, all dispersed weapons, tanks, missiles. There is also evidence that in Kyzyltash near Yalta restore the nuclear facilities and were seen cars, which have the symbol, a warning about nuclear dangers. But the “Topol”, “Iskander”, “SS-20”, which can carry nuclear weapons, there already is. And in the case of a military conflict, if, God forbid, it will explode even one nuclear warhead, it can be a disaster not only for the Crimea, the whole of Ukraine and Russia, but also for the whole of Europe. In a word,

I believe that the main strategy for the Crimea – sanctions. Therefore, the World Congress of Crimean Tatars, which discussed the issue of Crimea, addressed to the whole world and to the Turkish Government to join the sanctions.

The Russians, of course, very nervous about the Congress, they had set up in the Crimea its Sabbath forcibly assembled state employees, and on their behalf made an appeal to Erdogan that he would not allow the Congress. But Erdogan has not only ensured the smooth conduct of the Congress, but also addressed the delegates with the message, where he said that Turkey will never recognize the occupation and will always strive to restore the territorial integrity of Ukraine, called Crimean Tatars continue their struggle for the liberation of Crimea from the Russian occupation . Around the same vein were the treatment and the Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu.

First, the Russian press gleefully reported that Erdogan “ignored”, did not come to our Congress. But he could not come, because these days, together with the Minister of Foreign Affairs visited Indonesia and Pakistan. The Prime Minister was not there in Ankara. But as soon as they returned to the country, then immediately and the prime minister and the president invited us to a meeting. After that, the tone of the Russian press has become a bilious and angry – both in relation to Erdogan, and in general to the international policy of Turkey.

– The Verkhovna Rada has a sectarian association “Crimea”. Who enters into it, and what do they do?

– No special results of work they do not have, and powers, in general, too, no no. MP Alexey Goncharenko suggested that I led the work of this association, but I refused, and then he himself became head of the group.

We’re talking about what we need to create in the Verkhovna Rada a separate Committee for Crimea and other occupied territories. This issue we will discuss in the near future with the Speaker of BP Vladimirom Groysmanom.

– And what in general there are international projects dealing with the problem of the Crimea?

– Who will be the return of the Crimea, if not ourselves? The international community is merely states that the annexation of the Crimea and the Russian invasion of the territory of Ukraine is illegal and does not recognize Crimea’s accession to Russia.

Penalties – it is their measure of influence on Russia. But the sanctions also affect the economies of those countries that have joined this list. For example, I was in Italy, where Berlusconi’s party and even some party “5 stars” comedian Beppe Grullo in favor of the abolition of the sanctions. This movement is in France. But thank God, these countries have not yet abolished the sanctions and unlikely to be canceled until the liberation of the Crimea, but the Russian secret services are working very hard in this respect – and bribe some politicians or organizations, snapping up even provincial newspapers in the European countries, to apply, as is the case with French delegation, traveling to the Crimea and meetings with the occupation authorities and then repeated their statements to the press that no one’s rights are not violated. Unfortunately, the corrupt and greedy for dirty money people everywhere suffice.

But independent international human rights organizations and the Russian authorities in Crimea is not allowed. Once allowed to enter the Turkish group of independent experts, apparently relying on their loyalty, as Turkey has not yet acceded to the sanctions. First was the question of how the delegation would be to get there: if in Moscow, it will be a violation of Ukrainian sovereignty, if in Kiev, then they were not allowed to Crimea. Then, in a conversation with Erdogan in Kyiv on March 20, I proposed a compromise, the delegation arrived in Kiev, and then went to Moscow and from there to Simferopol. Such an option all arranged, and our Ministry of Foreign Affairs also did not mind.

Following the visit to the Crimea a group of experts presented a report on 20 pages, which was a shock to the Russians, because it shows everything as it really is. After that no uncontrolled Russian mission to the Crimea is no longer allowed. We wish to operate through Russian human rights organizations, but they also create a lot of obstacles to their activities in the Crimea – and delay, and check. I am talking about Russian human rights defenders from the group of dissident hardening – Lyudmile Alekseevoy, for example.

– Mustafa-aga, tell us about your trip to Poland for the presentation of the Solidarity Award. You, as far as I know, offered other nominees for the award?

– The award was given to the daughter of Boris Nemtsov – Jeanne. I, as the first winner of this award, had the right to nominate, and the first name that came to mind then, of course, was Boris Nemtsov – a fearless fighter against the regime, against the occupation of the Crimea, and Russia’s war against Ukraine. Which, by the way, and he knew about it he said at a meeting with me in Kiev, that it was likely soon be killed. But the Polish Solidarity Prize as the Nobel not awarded posthumously. So I made the candidacy of Alexander Podrabinek, who fearlessly fought against the Soviet regime, he spent many years in prisons, camps and exile, and now as hard struggles with the Putin regime. I mentioned this in his speech at the ceremony in Warsaw Award on 6 August.

All nominated candidates were many, about 20 people of European, Asian and African countries, and all of them mentioned in a separate film, which was shown at the ceremony.

Out of all the nominations the jury chose Zhannu Nemtsovu – the daughter of Boris Nemtsov, a courageous and talented journalist who after the death of his father, too, was forced to leave Russia, and works on the radio “Deutsche Welle”. By the way, she said that a significant portion of the premium received will give the families of our “Heavenly hundred”, “Boris Nemtsov Fund” to continue his father’s business, the Crimean Tatar TV channel ATR-in-exile, which is the “bastion of freedom on the peninsula of speech and objective news about the situation” and other charitable projects in Ukraine.

Interviewed by Natalia Kondratieva

Sourse, 21/08/2015

Crimea is not yours

December 3, 2014

In the program “Face-to-event” to “Radio Liberty” – an interview with the leader of the Crimean Tatar people, MP of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Mustafa Dzhemilev about what happened and is happening in Russia annexed Crimea.

Conversations at the international conference in Wroclaw memory of the poet Natalia Gorbanevskaya .

Mikhail Sokolov: Conference “Against war and violence.” Which was held November 29 and 30 in Poland in Wroclaw, it was dedicated to the memory of the poet and human rights activist Natalia Gorbanevskaya, one of the eight people who came to Red Square August 25, 1968, in protest against the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia. Participated in policy discussions, human rights activists, historians, writers from Russia, Ukraine, Poland, the protesters in Red Square in 1968. Pavel Litvinov and Viktor Feinberg. The leader of the Crimean Tatar people Mustafa Dzhemilev spoke about Natalia Gorbanevskaya.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Dear friends, colleagues. A year as dead Natalia Gorbanevskaya. But we, the old dissidents, while we are still alive, perhaps we should talk about Natalia Gorbanevskaya. This is very important, because such people always lacked, then and now, and not to be missed in the future tense.

Already the first document, which was signed by the initiative group – it would appeal to the United Nations Commission on Human Rights, where there were 15 signatures of members of the initiative group, which spoke about the main crimes of the Soviet regime in the field of human rights, including mention of the struggle of the Crimean Tatar people to return to their homeland, about lawlessness of the Soviet authorities. It was one of the first documents, which allowed to bring the Crimean Tatar problem, the problem of the deported people to return to their historical homeland of the world community.

Arrest Natalia Gorbanevskaya very painful blow to the initiative of our group. Because a major role in the collection of materials, drafting, correcting and even many of the documents, which were issued by the initiative group of human rights, Natalia played Gorbanevskaya. There are these words: “And the good and evil – all die, so better to let the good we will remember.” Natalia Gorbanevskaya one of those people who will remember for a long time.

Mikhail Sokolov: “Poetry Natalia Gorbanevskaya inherits Russian civic poetry, with its idealism, the idea of ​​man as a being, longing for justice, sacrifice and unselfish,” – said Grigory Yavlinsky. But, of course, the focus was not only poetry, but also the problems of human rights, ideals that were important for Natalia Gorbanevskaya, were central to her life.

The son of Natalia Gorbanevskaya – Jaroslav urged the authorities of Western countries demand that the Russian release of all political prisoners.

Jaroslav Gorbanevsky: Today I am in Wroclaw on the anniversary of my mother’s memory, which stands for your freedom and ours. For the freedom of all, in particular, for freedom of political prisoners. If we celebrate the memorial of her reward with something or just remember, just honestly could say: It stands for freedom, let us do as well as she did. We love her, we honor it, let’s do what she would have asked us to do. So today I asked Poland to those whose words at the official level is important, with a request: say three sentences, speaking officially, openly, publicly, tell those three phrases to release Russian prisoners.

Mikhail Sokolov: “Polish society is one in relation to assessment of the events in Ukraine and the aggression against it”, – said the president of the Polish Institute of National Remembrance Lukasz Kaminski. The famous Polish sociologist and translator of Adam Pomorsky believes that Putin managed to just a year to destroy what happened in Europe in the last quarter of a century.

At an international conference in Wroclaw, a resolution was adopted with the assessment of what is happening in Russia and Ukraine:

“We, the participants of the international conference” Days of memory Natali Gorbanevskoy “urge the Russian people do not support a regime that leads to disaster.

We appeal to the governments and citizens of the free world: do not throw the Ukraine alone. Stop Russian aggression.

We, friends and colleagues Natali Gorbanevskoy, appeal to the governments and citizens of the free world: ask the Russian authorities to release all political prisoners. “

The resolution is very important, – says human rights activist and historian Alexander Daniel:

At the international conference “Against war and violence” in the center of attention and was the Crimean Tatar issue.

About what is happening in the Crimea, now in the “Face-to-event”, we talk with the leader of the Crimean Tatar human rights movement, a deputy of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Mustafa Dzhemilev.

Mustafa, I would like to start a little distance in the same sense as were the relations of the Crimean Tatar people with the Ukrainian authorities in Crimea. Because today on this topic a lot of different fantasies, talk about what you and discriminated against in Ukraine. Like going back?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Definitely, that any coherent policy of the Ukrainian state system against the Crimean Tatar people as an indigenous people of the peninsula, was not. Yes, Ukraine has declared that it recognizes the illegal deportation of the Crimean Tatars, has committed itself to solve all the social and legal problems of the Crimean Tatar people. In practice, it has done very little. We, the Crimean Tatars did not return what was illegally taken away.

On the one hand this is understandable. What to do with, say, the people who live in our homes. The state in this respect, has said that it is the best of its capabilities will solve social problems through the provision of the budget year in accordance with their capabilities, but stood minuscule, it did not cover a tenth of what is needed, not even was the fact income taxes, which was obtained in the Crimean Tatars working.

In general, the attitude of the Ukrainian establishment to the Crimean Tatars was such as to the voters. Upcoming elections, they proceed from the fact that the Crimean Tatars have consolidated electorate, the vast majority decision of its highest representative body of the Mejlis, the Kurultai, therefore, agreed with Parliament to the effect that we support them in the elections, and if they win, introduce some of its passage list one or two, depending on the capabilities of this political party, our representatives.

But Majlis has its basic principles. For example, even if the Communist Party offered us their entire list to give, we would not have voted. We have always supported the principle of national-democratic forces, they usually do not come to power. There was one case when Yushchenko was president, the party came to power. Then they began discord, they not only failed to fulfill the promises against the Crimean Tatars, but also generally in relation to other voters, too.

Worse it was the part of those who came to power. They are, as a rule, relied on in Russian, chauvinistic electorate. To us it was, at least, indifference, hostility under Yanukovych. Accordingly, the problem is not solved. If the Crimean Tatars in the autonomy is 14%, then in the structures, as we shall find in the local or regional elections executive, representative government depended places, and in the executive power structure the percentage of Crimean Tatars did not exceed 2.5-3%, that is discrimination 4-5. Accordingly, no other problems were solved. Not because Ukraine was chauvinistic, great-approach to the Crimean Tatars. Due, in particular, the fact that the Crimea – is a region where the vast majority are ethnic Russian, who moved primarily, more than 80%

The stereotype, which was implemented for decades, that drove away it is true that they are traitors, all of this favorably perceived by them, give peace of mind, as they took home, whom they sent to death, and then it turns out, it turns out, that they are bad. Here is the promotion lasted for many years, and it was passed down from generation to generation.

Mikhail Sokolov: Crimean authorities with those who led the executive branch, could agree, or they had a special respect for its Kiev, more rigid with respect to the Crimean Tatar people politics?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Definitely all, who heads the executive branch can not. Were more or less pragmatic, to the best of their abilities a little bit more far-sighted than towards others. The last prime minister of Mogilev, ardent chauvinist who in the press openly justified the deportation of Crimean Tatars, said it was the “fifth column”. What can you negotiate with them? Respectively had the chauvinistic policy. He fully supported, as well as his chief of Yanukovich, a pro-Russian on the Russian majority. In between, there were some people, such as the Prime Minister Kunitsyn or Speaker of the Verkhovna Rada Gritsenko, who understood that if you do not solve the problem of the Crimean Tatars, then this is the way to conflict, then they will not be able, and for ourselves to get something. That is a more pragmatic, more prone to the Crimean Tatars.

Mikhail Sokolov: Did you have any suggestions that might be organized in the Crimea coup with the participation of Russian law enforcement agencies, with the participation of Aksenov groups, and so on?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: For a long time, my view was that the current situation in Russia is unlikely to direct annexation, most likely Russia will always create tensions, create problems Ukraine to the fact that they could not create an independent policy. But the fact that so and will move its troops, chop off another part of the territory, in the twenty-first century, it seemed incredible. But after the 2008 Russian-Georgian war, I was probably one of the first, which opened in the press, in the newspaper “Day” said that next in line could be Ukraine. I even said so, that repeated a similar scenario. If, for example, in Georgia, South Ossetia and Abkhazia strenuously heard Russian passports, then about the same thing happens. I cited statistics on how much we have in the Crimea there is people who have Russian passports, analysis of the elections to the authorities of Russia. Sets the polling stations, and those who have Russian passports, vote. Based on the fact that it was not quite comfortable to come from one village to another in the elections, we did this offer and come to the conclusion that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel. who have Russian passports, vote. Based on the fact that it was not quite comfortable to come from one village to another in the elections, we did this offer and come to the conclusion that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel. who have Russian passports, vote. Based on the fact that it was not quite comfortable to come from one village to another in the elections, we did this offer and come to the conclusion that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel. that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel. that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel.

I also said that a serious threat to the security of Ukraine is the Black Sea fleet, so you should immediately proceed to the denunciation of the contract with Russia on the Black Sea Fleet. Although I suggest what may be the cost, what penalties, but the security interests should be paramount. Of course, to take a course to join the North Atlantic alliance.

But authorities did exactly the opposite. It was still under Yushchenko, and after a while came to power Yanukovych, it is not something to denounce, the term had come to an end in 2017, it extended for another 25 years under the pretext that Putin promised to reduce the price of gas at one hundred dollars per thousand cubic meters. This, in my view, was a real betrayal. No wonder at the statement, upon ratification of this treaty were just fights in the parliament. But the power they have, and they were able to push through it.

So later I saw an analytical report of the Security Service of the Crimea to his superiors in Kiev, where about my statement saying that the Majlis takes a provocative attitude, actions are aimed to spoil fraternal relations between the two countries. That is, we are provocateurs, because we want to withdraw the Black Sea Fleet.

Summing up, I want to say that there have been indications that this can happen, though not fully believe it. Moreover, that the head of state for a few months before, when he was asked the question, that, well, there is talk that the Russian claim to Crimea, how do you assess, it clearly states that this is nonsense, it’s nonsense, it provocation, we respect the state border of Ukraine, is coming up with different provocateurs. And suddenly this development. Arguments to justify this policy and the introduction of its troops on our territory, of course, does not stand up to scrutiny. The claims that if the Ukraine to establish a fascist regime, Bandera, that there almost chase through the streets and kill everyone who is not a fascist – it was such wildness directly posed on its head.

 with full responsibility that in all the years of Ukraine’s independence is now just after Independence and Revolution, established in all branches of government, the executive and the Cabinet of Ministers, the Verkhovna Rada most that eat the most democratic system of governance.

Please note though that we have parliamentary speaker with a typical Ukrainian surname Groisman, Interior Minister Avakian. There generally are not interested in the nationality of the one prescribed.

Such wild fancies as if created a threat to the Russian-speaking population in the regions, especially in the depths of Russia, who did not know that we have going on, it may be held.

Mikhail Sokolov: Still grouping Aksenov, what is it? You come across these people? They got 3 or 5% in the last election and now they are the real power.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Since 2009, they could not be heard on the political horizon, but in 2009 they created a group called “Russian unity”, this populist theme that Russian should unite to defend their rights. Pro-Russian rhetoric has been a lot of that is historical, but frankly, it is necessary to separate the Crimea from Ukraine and Russia attach to such slogans they had, but was clearly pro-Russian. We knew that he was very powerfully supported by a neighboring state, and not very successful, because it is a serious election votes are not typed. At the same time, it was known that this Aksenov named “Goblin” has managed to place in different power structures, primarily in the prosecutor’s office, his men, who defended them when they came across a not very nice things. But still, of course, governed from the Kremlin, Moscow, itself the Goblin could not do anything until you go to some order. All revolutions, it is no secret, it is not carried out “Russian unity”, and specific powers which belong to the Russian military.

Mikhail Sokolov: If we talk about the events of the beginning of the winter and spring, say, February, was there a real opportunity to confront once this coup, say, the same Crimean Tatars, who took to the streets, and then somehow disappeared from the streets?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I can say that for 100% could resist, if not for the intervention of the neighboring country. Because seized Parliament, the Council of Ministers of autonomy is not Russian bloc and the so-called “little green men” – a cadre people trained terrorists with all equipment. Therefore, it was not, someone who will overcome on the Crimean peninsula, there is dictated by external forces.

Mikhail Sokolov: It was not here for your mistakes? Demonstrations, in my opinion, continued for three days, then somehow were discontinued. If the demonstrations continued, maybe Putin does not want to take the risk?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Completely eliminate what you said, it is also impossible, this view has a right to exist. But as the events unfolded. What this rally going? To Parliament adopted the decision that they were motivated by the Kremlin, to accede to Russia. Accordingly, the Crimean Tatars were against. Failed. This is the 26th confrontation, they collected three or four thousand of his supporters brought up by buses from all edges, including Sevastopol. Crimean Tatars, there were three or four times more pushed.

The very next day the room occupied by terrorists. These terrorists have a pass allowed deputies at the entrance to the Parliament have seized mobile phones, in front of each stand when put to the vote, keep track of who like to vote, and like they scored either 56, or 57 votes, but there were only 46 votes, according to some reports. However, they declared that the deputies voted to join Russia. Even if it was 90%, still it is illegitimate.

What kind of parliament where the barrel behind you indicate how to vote. There are people, of course, can be and have been inclined to vote for certain decisions, but they are likely to vote when they will be paid, but not when forced to. There simply forced. Already carried out any actions aimed at the liberation of the occupied territories, it was obvious bloodshed. Also in Kiev, we were asked not to go, not to provoke, not to allow that Putin was a reason for the introduction of troops. There even was talk that preparing provocations that have had to find two or three dead Russian soldiers, of course, killed the Crimean Tatars, then start a campaign against the Crimean Tatars. We are seriously afraid of this and warned the press that there are our sources of information. They are the soldiers did not kill. Crimean Tatars,

Mikhail Sokolov: You can specify: Kiev – who is this? These people have families, and so on?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Then was the speaker of the Verkhovna Rada of Turchynov, Prime Minister Yatsenyuk. I’m not going to blame them, their order can be correctly and completely wrong. That’s right, if there really ready for something bloody, and they acted very humanely, saying he did not go out and do not lose their lives. And if this confidence was not simply give in to terrorists, to leave them unpunished, moreover, had the opportunity to neutralize them and do not do – is, of course, raises a number of questions as to why it was not done.

Mikhail Sokolov: I understand that at this stage the victims were just among the Crimean Tatars, a man was killed there. It was possible to find out what happened and who’s to blame him?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: It is not these days, later it was. March 3 area came Crimean Tatar, Ukrainian flag wrapped, said he was against the occupation, it was then in front of all the people was pushed into a car and drove away. Then a week later his body was found with signs of violence, tied with adhesive tape, to the naked eye it was clear that killed stabbed in the eye. The fact that this operation vykradyvaniyu human and murder carried out so-called “self-defense”, where all the thugs in the Crimea, we had no doubt. The fact that the FSB and then say that they can not identify, can not be established – is babbling. If YouTube can recognize who pushes him, the experts have been even more so. This concerns not only the first but also the subsequent vykradyvany people.

Mikhail Sokolov: We stayed on repression. The repression against the Crimean Tatars from the people who occupied the Crimea, they almost immediately started after the occupation?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: We have accurate information that the Russian political establishment had a dual attitude to the developments in Crimea and, in particular, in relation to the Crimean Tatars. Part of the establishment came from the fact that the Crimean Tatars have to agree, especially with Parliament, because the vast majority of Crimean Tatars are guided by the Majlis. This explains the invitation to Moscow for talks, the arrival of numerous delegations from Russia, Tatarstan, Bashkortostan, to negotiate with the Majlis of the Crimean Tatar people.

Mikhail Sokolov: We can remember how there was this type of negotiation process that they are offered to you?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: From the outset, they had prepared, and even adopted a draft resolution of the Verkhovna Rada of the Autonomous Republic, where Crimean Tatars 23% of guaranteed representation in all structures of power in all branches of government, including in parliament. That is allocated a quota under this quota choose themselves Crimean Tatars. The functioning of the Crimean Tatar language as one of the official on the territory of Crimea. Thirdly, the return of the Crimean Tatars, who were forced to lie outside of the Crimea. It was assumed that the measures will be taken public, including financial ones, in order to facilitate their return to the territory of Crimea. What will be restored historical place names of the Crimea – it is more than 1,200 settlements, which at one time after the deportation of the Crimean Tatars were Russified: Tank, Armored,

And most significant is that these people, who came to power and brought them, the “Goblin”, I mean Aksenov, who poison breathed in the Majlis, always stated that it is an illegal structure, so-and-so, all of a sudden in this decision stated that they will be officially recognized, the Crimean Tatar Kurultai and Majlis. That is, there was such a direct calculation that the Crimean Tatars to celebrate, to cling to these opportunities and say how happy they are to be in the Russian Federation. But this is not passed.

The upper hand in policy toward the Crimean Tatars began to occupy the “hawks”, who initially said that the Tatars Crimean impossible to negotiate, especially with Parliament, so you need to act only traditional exhaust not only in Soviet Russia, but also in pre-revolutionary methods separation of the Crimean Tatars into good and bad, the repression that, in fact, done.

Mikhail Sokolov: What kind of repression took place today?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Mass no arrests have massive searches under the pretext that they allegedly looking for weapons, in some cases, they say the drugs, although it seems absurd, with no data, they say, Behold, we are looking for drugs. Weapons, drugs, and the third, the most vulnerable – is the search for banned books. They made a list of forbidden books of more than 2600 titles, but this is an incomplete list.

We first talked about 40 searches the Crimean Tatars in their homes, mosques, schools, and they turned out to be much larger. Some houses were searched and immediately threatened that if someone knows about it, then let him think about the children. Closed searches were carried out mainly by so-called “self-defense”. They were taken during the search, not only as a traditional FSB conducts searches, seized computers, materials, they still grab that will attract them.

Mikhail Sokolov: “self-defense” forces – what is this? It’s illegal armed formation of Russian legislation?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Illegal, but they wanted to legalize, prepared a draft resolution, it is volunteers who are patriotic reasons.

Mikhail Sokolov: Type the terrorists?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: The guards did not have guns, and they – and their body armor and equipment, machines, all they have.

Mikhail Sokolov: So it’s actually a gang. What quantity of these gangs?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Hard to say, a few hundred. To my mind. May 3, when I do not miss, Aksenov issued the call to gather all the members of groups “self-defense”, wherever they were, they say, is about to start a war with the Crimean Tatars.

Mikhail Sokolov: On May 3. As I understand it, when you did not miss, people have been trying somehow to express his opinion, the demonstration carried out now, as I understand it, are repression, searches and arrests?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: yesterday reported that the arrested four people accused in the case that he had illegally crossed the state border between the Crimea and Ukraine, from the point of view of international law is absurd, at 100%, you can be sure that the European Court of Human Rights is do not recognize.

They formed the gang mainly of so-called Cossacks, former gebistov who were werewolves, who served in the Security Service of Ukraine, but among them there are those who have never been in the Crimea, so to speak softer.

They basically do the dirty work, they are not an independent force. I am absolutely certain that if the central Russian government was interested in the fact that they were not idle, then so be it was. We have the impression that this was done deliberately in order to intimidate people, to force ourselves to leave the territory of Crimea.

Mikhail Sokolov: The case of the third, as I understand it, is used in the same spirit as the “swamp thing” in Russia, to intimidate people. Are there any prospects that it can grow?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: expanding, looking to what extent. If it’s a bloody showdown, the Majlis will make every effort, that it was not, because it would mean the death of our people.

Mikhail Sokolov: If even a few dozen people arrested?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: There are different options. They came to me people who said that we are also able to easily steal them. I said that we can not go on this way, we are not terrorists, we are not going to steal one. That is, I come to a standstill, it is difficult to answer unequivocally. When your rights are harshly suppressed, bullied, whether it is necessary to respond with violence? It seems to be logical, to your land came the soldiers of another country, dictates the rules, he put on you bastards, that humiliate your dignity. Exit what? Well, war, shot one, two, three, they are the same in a few hours, especially now, when the trap snapped shut, no were not allowed there, without any witnesses, can do anything you want, and then press to declare that the Crimean Tatars fought among themselves, the different clans killed themselves.

Mikhail Sokolov: So you are for non-violent resistance?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I would not say in the absolute non-violent. We have on this subject often appeared that there is no alternative. If the armed forces should adhere to the principle of nonviolence, why do they need, what machines, which should never shoot? In the military department has its own standard of behavior should have been, it may be there, but it was not observed. According to various estimates, there were about 14,000 armed forces on the territory of Crimea. Conditions in order to participate in the war, not what win any concessions to get their rights – it was unreal.

Mikhail Sokolov: We often hear that Ukraine has made a mistake, if it had at least a minimal resistance in the Crimea, there would be no hike Strelkova in Donbass and other actions.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: we have a lot to discuss on this topic. Arguments such that, say, guided by humane considerations, not to dying people. Why then keep the army? Who wants to come, chop off, which you need to territory. For the military is not an argument, not to resist.

This is largely demoralized in some way, and those citizens who remained in the Crimea loyal to their state. They were amazed at how this is so, a weapon that is bought at the expense of the taxpayers, just as the aggressor. There are other reasons, it turns out, did not want to provoke, like people did not die.

Mikhail Sokolov: As a result, they do not die in the Crimea and the Donbas.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: And die in the Crimea.

Mikhail Sokolov: What is the current economic situation in the Crimea, according to your data? What is happening and what is going on with the same Crimean Tatars, still they are in the agricultural sector is largely involved?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: None agriculture or tourism, which was one of the main sources of income in the Crimea, now do not have to say, because who wants to relax in the occupied territory, besides not go any traffic reports, no planes, no boats.

Mikhail Sokolov: prices are rising?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: prices are rising, but the Russian government has raised some salaries and pensions, too. By many indicators that tell me this in some way compensates for the fact that prices have risen. Therefore, the money received would like a little more, but also have to spend more on the same products. This is one.

Secondly, the threat to agriculture. It’s no secret that more than 80% of water, including irrigation purpose water comes from the mainland. If you block the water, and she was partially blocked because something is destroyed, then the autonomous republic no other way to try to solve to get water from underground sources, and use this water to irrigate the land – it’s just a crime, causing great environmental damage . But with no other choice, they do it. They have caused great damage to the ecology of the Crimea is due to the fact that the drilled, fetched water to watered.

Mikhail Sokolov: Say, can we say that Crimea is an economic blockade on the part of Ukraine after the adoption of the law on the occupied territories?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: No there is no blockade. Even we have information that the time since the occupation of the Crimean port of call in 69 vehicles.

Mikhail Sokolov: It is almost a year?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: If we assume that in March-April to date. I say 69 because the number was exactly in the list of names of ships that call at ports of Crimea, Attorney General of illegal crossing of the territory, including entering our territorial waters.

Mikhail Sokolov: The ships do not come legally, agriculture in poor condition, and people than live?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Most jobs servicing the military complex. They launched a very large military preparations. Yesterday came from the Crimea, said that a huge amount of cement being taken, where used to be a nuclear repository, all signs want to restore it.

Across the road the Crimea build, is clearly not in order to make people comfortable, and for military purposes, especially in the northern parts. Openly say that military action will begin soon on the border between the Crimea and Kherson area. Due to this, in the main.

In this situation, the Crimean Tatars is very difficult. Because if you’re doing a job that serves the military, you have to give the oath of allegiance to Russia. Someone in desperation goes for it. At this very well speculate Russian media, be sure to remove, will be shown on the Internet, how to swear allegiance to Russia.

Mikhail Sokolov: The bridge will be built in the Crimea, do you think? Something that will change fundamentally?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Regarding the construction of the bridge, at the time it was engaged and Hitler did not succeed. Maybe if I exert some effort. But this bridge is illegal because it has to be agreed with the Ukrainian government.

Mikhail Sokolov: What do you propose to do now Crimean Tatars, you – the leader of the Majlis, you are on the territory of Ukraine, you home is not allowed, and what do the people who were left?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: It’s hard sitting in Kiev, give instructions, from our point of view, the most correct. People there are very hard. Of course, we’d love to have one of the Crimean Tatars did not take Russian citizenship, so they boycotted. But this is impossible, impossible. Would that they are empty of peace, but the resistance of rallies, demonstrations.

It also let to mass arrests, top kills. Therefore, we stick to the traditional way – non-violent resistance, defending their dignity. This is not entirely successful, because there is such a massive pressure, such as never was under Soviet rule.

Mikhail Sokolov: There collaborators?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: A Frenchman once said: if some people do not drug addicts, prostitutes, traitors, what kind of a nation? Of course, there will probably be. The main thing is that their number was not some sort of critical mass.

I can say that with this case from the Russian occupation authorities is very great difficulties. Yes, they recruit someone, put on some positions, while at the same time do spit, they say that there is nobody behind them, their people despise, arms not served. Keep what you have. Of course there will, probably.

Mikhail Sokolov: Do you regret that in Tatarstan President Putin failed to agree somehow or the other way around, which is not declared him a tougher stance?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I without offense, but said its tough stance. When Putin said that to solve all the problems of the Crimean Tatars, I did not refuse this aid, of course, Russia is responsible for the situation in which we find ourselves. We were a part of Russia, when we were deported. Be so kind as to solve issues following the withdrawal of your troops from our territory. Decide at the negotiating table with our guidance. And to ensure that these negotiations take place, again, you need to withdraw its troops. Putin, too, thought that if the mountain to promise things, the more given that the Crimean Tatars and the Ukrainian authorities were in the same position, for some reason they hoped that we easily persuaded. Since this did not happen, they are focused on their traditional methods – repression, attempts to split and so on.

Mikhail Sokolov: What will you do in the Verkhovna Rada is now, in the new structure?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I have always said and say that alone solve the problem of the Crimean Tatars without reference to the problems of the whole of Ukraine is impossible. Of course, we will strive to a sharp improvement in the economic situation in Ukraine, strengthening defense capabilities. Because that’s exactly what if our defenses were not in such a catastrophic situation, as in recent years our President Yanukovych, Putin would hardly have brought their troops.

Of course, we will work a lot at the international level, because the Western countries should fulfill their commitments. Even it’s not that they were concerned about Ukrainians and Crimean Tatars, everyone has their own interests. Because if you close your eyes to this international robbery in the XXI century – is the way to a very large disaster.

Mikhail Sokolov: “Our country is in danger tanks in a strange land” – these words said to the invasion of Czechoslovakia by Russian poet Alexander Galich. Today, the Russians have the right to repeat these words.

Today, the Russian tanks again in a strange land, people today again imprisoned, because they are fighting for freedom. It is a threat to all of us. For our freedom and yours!

Sourse, 02/12/2014

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Crimean Tatars: the nation’s tragedy

April 28, 2016

Ban the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people has strongly condemned the US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland. Speaking April 27 during his visit to Kiev, she stressed that this outrageous decision violates the democratic rights of the entire “historical community.”

The EU called the ban the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people, a serious attack on the rights of the Crimean Tatars and evidence of further deterioration of the human rights situation in Russia annexed Crimea. This is stated in the statement of the European External Action Service.

“It is necessary without delay to ensure full compliance with international standards of human rights and other obligations under international law, in particular, in this case in relation to the Crimean Tatars community”, – the statement says.

April 26 Russian-controlled Crimea Supreme Court acknowledged Majlis extremist organization and banned its activities on Russian territory. Thus I was satisfied the claim of the Crimean prosecutor Natalia Poklonsky, which accused the Majlis in the anti-Russian activities.

Tragic history and current problems of the Crimean Tatar people to discuss politics Mustafa Dzhemilev (Kyiv), the political analyst Valery Khomyakov , the journalist Eider Muzhdabaev (Kiev).

Moderator – Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior .

Vladimir Kara-Murza, Sr.: The EU called the ban the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people, a serious attack on the rights of the Crimean Tatars and evidence of further deterioration of the human rights situation in Russia annexed Crimea.

On Tuesday, the Russian-controlled Crimea Supreme Court recognized the Majlis extremist organization and banned its activities on Russian territory. Thus, the request Natalia Poklonsky, Crimean prosecutor was satisfied that the Majlis has accused of anti-Russian activities.

Tragic history and current problems of the Crimean Tatars, we will discuss with our guest – political analyst Valeriem Homyakovym.

Valery, whether offensive to all the people the motivation to deport him because they collaborated with the German occupiers?

Valery Khomyakov:This is an old story. Of course, in every nation, including in Russian, in the war years were, to put it mildly, the traitors, collaborators. They were also among the Chechen people, and among the Crimean Tatars. But because of this, should not suffer the nations as a whole. And here we are seeing a massive attempt to present the enemy all the Crimean Tatar people – as well as others, in particular Kalmyks … I lived as a child in the Altai region, and I had a friend – Kalmyk, who was with his family to get evicted. This happened a long time ago. And when allowed, they returned to Kalmykia. Here the story is more tragic because the Crimean Tatars were able to return to the Crimea alone, in my opinion, in the late ’80s, under Gorbachev, if I do not get them mixed up. Of course, it is an insult. To them in everyday life looked upon as some traitors, fascist hirelings. All this affects the relationship of the Crimean Tatars in the circles in which they lived. This Stalinist attempt to present the people as their enemies of the fatherland, of course, terrible.

Unfortunately, what we are seeing is, in part looks like this, including the recent decision of which you have said. Although it was preceded by a lengthy process. It is not easy to feed Mrs. Poklonsky all it appeared. After the Crimea was annexed to the Russian Federation, as far as I know, we were set up parallel to the Crimean Tatar structure. They created three for two years, – sworn allegiance to Moscow to agree with everything. And creates an illusion: think of it, the Majlis – the body established at the time the Kurultai, and in fact all Crimean Tatars rallied around the governor of the Kremlin in the Crimea – Mr. Aksenov.

На мой взгляд, дело обстоит не так. Подобного рода вещи практиковались, практикуются и будут практиковаться. Что, на мой взгляд, не приводит к тем результатам, которые замышляли их инициаторы. Расколоть крымский народ не удастся. Были отдельные люди, которые в годы войны сотрудничали с немецкими оккупантами, и сейчас есть нечто подобное. Но в целом крымский народ, как мне кажется, един в своем желании сохранить свою самобытность, свои обычаи. Он един в желании не подвергаться давлению из Москвы, из Киева или еще откуда-то. Это закаленные люди. В генах этих людей – стремление сохранить свое достоинство. А сейчас мы видим попытки растоптать это достоинство – попытки крайне неуклюжие, о чем достаточно справедливо заметил Евросоюз.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: We connected Mustafa Dzhemilev, the former Soviet political prisoner, leader of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people, MP of the Verkhovna Rada.

Mustafa, held true whether the rehabilitation of the Crimean Tatars after Stalin’s deportation?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: No Ukraine deported Crimean Tatars and the Soviet Union. Therefore, it was the adoption of the law on the restoration of political and social rights of the Crimean Tatar people. The Ukrainian parliament has been quite a lot of forces that resist it – pro-Russian forces, the Communists. It was not possible. But after the occupation, somewhere this law was passed in the 20 days of March. There clearly is called deportation as a crime against humanity, and adopted a series of measures aimed at restoring. But time has been lost. This law should have been taken long ago.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: And who of Russian dissidents and human rights activists fought along with you for the restoration of the rights of your people? Everyone remembers the fate of General Grigorenko. What was this man?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Our national movement was democratic, so it attracted the sympathy of many human rights defenders, enlightened people. Among the Russian intelligentsia, one of the first who spoke out in defense of the rights of the Crimean Tatar people was writer Aleksey Kosterin. He drew attention to this problem General Pyotr Grigorenko. By the time he was a political prisoner. And somewhere in the 66-year, in my opinion, he is actively involved in our national movement. You could say he was one of the authorities. In those days in the homes of the Crimean Tatars could often be seen portraits are not only veterans of the national movement, but Petra Grigorenko. Indeed, it was a very brave man who did everything in his power. He has made an invaluable contribution to our national movement, and primarily in the promotion,

And it must be said about Sakharov, who was connected to the issue later, but he was also very effective in its activities in support of our national movement.

If we follow the trials of the national movement activists, among them there were a lot of Russian, Ukrainian, Baltic defenders who in one way or another in contact with the national movement of the Crimean Tatars, and expressed to him the solidarity support. And you’re right: Pyotr Grigorenko – it is the brightest figure in our national movement.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: recently filmed a feature film about the tragedy of your people. But it is still not allowed on the Russian screen. Remind them that it is for the film, and why he has such a hard fate rolling.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: This is the first and only feature film on the subject. Our entrepreneur to finance it. It is called “Haytarma”. Haytarma – is a dance, but then “Haytarma” – a return to his homeland. The film speaks of deportation. According to some estimates, something softened. A pro-Russian people say it shows too cruel. From our point of view, the film turned out to be very successful.

And Russia is reviving the Stalinist regime, at least – in the occupied Crimea. And any films, books exposing the Soviet government policies perceived as an insult to the Russian people and the Russian Federation.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Valery, after the deportation of only two people not been restored statehood – a Volga Germans and Crimean Tatars. Why Khrushchev was afraid to return to their statehood?

Valery Khomyakov: Hard to say, because of what is happening. There are many cities in the Saratov region, where the Volga Germans lived before the war was a republic of the Volga Germans. Apparently, the Soviet Union then leaders feared would create a kind of enclave that is because of their dissatisfaction with the fact that they were driven at the time from their homes, to create a structure that can be “total maverick.”

Chechens and Kalmyks returned to their land, gained statehood, at least, that they now have in the form of republics within the Russian Federation. But the Crimean Tatars and Volga Germans fate was more tragic. Many Germans have left their historical homeland, because the law of the Federal Republic of Germany, ethnic German is actually considered to be a citizen of the Federal Republic of Germany. A Crimean Tatars go particularly nowhere. Someone went to a variety of reasons, but mostly they are somehow tied to the land where they were born. Crimea for the Crimean Tatars – this is the Promised Land, they were born there, and much earlier, than there came the Russian troops. This distinguishes the fate of the Volga Germans from the fate of the Crimean Tatars, which, unfortunately, is not so happy as we would like.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Let’s listen to a journalist Eider Muzhdabaeva, deputy director general of the Crimean Tatar TV channel the ATR, which believes that the ban Majlis almost impossible.

Eider Muzhdabaev: prohibitions against the Majlis – a symbolic act, since it is impossible to ban the Mejlis, because he was never officially registered. This Crimean Tatar self-government, which is almost 30 years old. Therefore, the ban in formal terms is negligible.

And with the actual point of view, this means not ban the Mejlis, and the fact that they facilitate the process itself of repression against the Crimean Tatars. That is no longer necessary to prove fictitious guilt – some phony terrorism, which they can not nobody “sew” in the Crimea for two years looking for weapons and explosives in their homes, but nothing, of course, can not be found. Will not need to ascribe any other illegal actions – mass disorders, which are trying to concoct criminal cases, the reason for that, too, of course, was not. All this bogus charges. They are tired of this formality, as in his time Stalin NKVDshniki tired of the first trials. So they then came up with the “troika” and the people began to quickly judge and destroy the plant. The same purpose, there are in the decision. Accused of involvement in the Majlis of Crimean Tatar can be any. Now, any book with a portrait of Cemil will be the basis for the Russian court. Gates for mass repressions opened.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Mustafa, remind, please, what was the statutory objectives of the Mejlis, speaking bureaucratic language? For which he was created?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: It is the representative body of the Crimean Tatar people, which defends the rights of the Crimean Tatars in local government, that is to promote and co-operation with the authorities to solve our problems, as well as to represent Crimean Tatars at the international level. Before ’91, when it was created our first Kurultai and Majlis elected, we can say that a full representative of the Crimean Tatar people was the National Movement of Crimean Tatars. A 89-year – The organization of the Crimean Tatar national movement.

And in the run-up of the Soviet Union, when there was a “restructuring”, it was possible to hold elections – though not quite openly, but, nevertheless, there was such an opportunity – decided to establish a representative body of the Crimean Tatars, who is elected directly by the people, regardless whether it is involved in the national movement or not. And here on the principle of “one delegate to the national convention of thousands of people” across the Soviet Union, where Crimean Tatars lived, held elections of delegates. So, these delegates were chosen at the national congress of 250 people. He was called the Second National Congress, because the First National Congress was in the 17th year of its shot by the Bolsheviks. And the National Congress elected by ballot 33 human members of the Majlis for five years – is the executive body of the Kurultai of the Crimean Tatar people. But this is the tip of the iceberg.

Then came the elections of local and regional Mejlis in all the places of residence of the Crimean Tatars. Thus, the last elections were in 2012, at the time of the occupation of the Crimea were about 230 local and regional majlis, which involved a total of 2 000 300 people. Therefore, when we speak of the prohibition of the Majlis – is not only a ban on 33 persons, but also the entire system of the national government of the Crimean Tatar people. That is only 2 thousand 300 local and regional members of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people, the Kurultai delegates in total – somewhere in the 2.5 thousand people. In accordance with the logic of the Russian law they are called extremists. And the one who helps or elect these “extremists” – is also a kind of “extremists.” And it turns out that almost all Crimean Tatar people can be called “

So now, maybe not immediately, but it offers scope for large-scale repression against the whole of the Crimean Tatar people.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Eider Muzhdabaev believes that the international community is powerless to help the Crimean Tatars.

Eider Muzhdabaev: The international community can not do anything other than allegations. In general, none of the Crimean Tatars is not acting, except a tiny group of conscientious people in Russia. It will, of course, to the massive repression against the Crimean Tatars. And most importantly – to the atmosphere of total fear. Already, people are on the phone talking very cautiously, afraid to say an extra word. I know the atmosphere among the Crimean Tatars – it is terrible, this atmosphere of insecurity, injustice, in the 30s.

They should completely suppress the Crimean Tatar people, to destroy it as an entity, leave it only as a screen, to in some celebrations people trained tray pasties and kissed portraits of Putin. They also understand that the Crimean Tatars will never put up with this, will never recognize the results of the illegal conduct and fraudulent, shameful referendum in which 97 percent of the allegedly favored the Crimea joining Russia. Of course, this is complete nonsense. Crimean Tatars in general on this referendum did not go. And these results could not be. But the Crimean Tatars – is the main piece of evidence in the case of the illegal annexation of Crimea. And this evidence, of course, must be destroyed. To be neither heard nor seen the Crimean Tatars to all feared. Now they will threaten, so people who can not live in this atmosphere will leave.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: And it likely that in this way almost all the people outlawed?

Valery Khomyakov:It turns out so. At least that is what we are now seeing, and events that do not bring the Lord, will be developed in this way. Crimean Tatar – now more than banderovets from Western Ukraine. And their stooges sitting in the Crimea. That will be, I think, the supply of our “great” promoters, which are now the subject of the Crimean Tatar people can grasp and apply them as “corrupt hirelings Ukrainian, Kiev junta West, the State Department and all the rest.” We have seen this in other examples. And unfortunately, nothing good about it for ordinary citizens of Russia. Because once it ends. And the desire of the machine, which consumes (or trying to eat) all dissent and all those people who believe that we shall make a great stupidity on the Crimea – on this machine will devour the people already in Moscow, as it is done.

But I ask another question: what does it do its proponents? Well, all the people in prison will not plant, in which Stalin was convinced: tried – failed. Hitler tried to do – also failed. Someone thinks that Putin will succeed? No, it will not work. Sooner or later, this story will end, and the reputation of our country in view of the fact that leadership behaves … I do not think this is the Kremlin’s decision. I think it has matured into a beautiful head of Mrs. Poklonsky, which has, in my opinion, even the generals began. Its rapid political rise, it is now almost the most popular man in Russia. I would place Mr Chaika bother for the armchair. With such prospects it can safely move to the Big Dmitrovka, where the Prosecutor General’s Office. Well, you can not go on about the ambitions, let the pretty and young ladies in the form of public prosecutor. The damage is much higher.

Do not you put down the Crimean Tatar people, for all your wish. I repeat, it is in the genes of these people – resistance. Stalin raised their lives, and some post-Soviet. I remember when it all started. Then Crimea Yuriy Meshkov was president, and Sergei Tsekov, in my opinion, was the chairman of the Supreme Council.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: A Prime Minister was, in my opinion, an economist Yevgeny Saburov.

Valery Khomyakov: I remember those times, since then has been one of the leaders of the “Democratic Party of Russia.” Many have tried to meet with Nikolai Travkin, then leader, and he sent them to me, “Yuri Meshkov come talk to him.” I say, “Who is this?” – “President of the Crimea.” I do not remember, I met with him or not, A S Tsekovym exactly met. And then he drew me a terrible picture that returned Crimean Tatars, trying to seize the land. But they are not trying to take away, they just want to go back to where they were illegally rounded up in due time. By the way, it is, I believe, was, perhaps, one of those people with whom he started. And then I went to the then Supreme Council and, apparently, tried to cry out: “Help us now! We are the Crimean Tatars to places sleeves protect us.!”

This myth in the early ’90s seriously affected some of our politicians. Maybe even some Boris Yeltsin, who could call Mr. Kravchuk and say, “You there is not very much .. Help, and we are now you’ll have such autonomy in the Crimea!” There are a bunch of contradictions and partly inexperience then Russian authorities. Maybe you can forgive her for what was then the Russian Federation was not to the Crimea. But if you rewind the tape back, probably could find a common language with the then leadership of the Crimea, which is a short time, thank God, sat, and find some digestible formula to Crimean Tatars received their national autonomy on the Crimean peninsula. Do not go for it. As a result, the disease persists, it is not resolved.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: And what progress has been made during the democratization? I know that it was possible to create a number of schools in the Crimean Tatar language, a little restore land rights. How did you begin this process, which seems to go positive?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I would like to say about the fact that the idea of the ban could not be born with Putin, and the head of Madame Poklonsky. This is absolutely wrong. Madame Poklonskaya, the stories of many – is the girl with the intellect Vosmiklassnica. Actually, it is possible to trace how it is sometimes speaks without notes. Immediately we can understand with whom we are dealing. It will not make a step without having to not get instructions from Moscow. The main force in the occupied Crimea – is the FSB. There’s enough clicks, or pointers – and she will run to where she will say. Therefore overestimate the role of Madame hardly worth it.

And one wonders: why do such nonsense? In particular, the Russian leadership is not only banned the Majlis. If we proceed from the interests of the Russian Federation, then do come to the Crimea was a great folly, like the rest of the war with Ukraine. This damage, in my opinion, no one would be able to inflict. And now, in the West say straight out that it was not yet the head of the country, which would bring so much harm to the state in the history of Russia.

And to answer your question. We all went very hard and was not easy in Ukraine. Not because Ukraine as a whole does not want to solve our problems, just we had very different political forces … Here a conglomerate. We have all the time in the election supported the democratic forces. A democratic forces almost never been in power, except for a few short periods. The main power on the territory of the autonomy was in the Russian-speaking hands of pro-Russian majority. Now it is the majority of the occupants waited on. We had a very large land problems. Crimean Tatars, despite the fact that they were somewhere in the 14 percent of the population of the peninsula, in the structures of power, depending on what that structure – takes from zero to 2.5-3 percent. That is discrimination in their homeland – in 4-5 times. For example, in the Security Service, which was 2 thousand 300 workers – was not one of the Crimean Tatars. The prosecutor’s office – a few tenths of a percent. Not a single judge. That is, such a structure.

Nevertheless, Ukraine – a democratic state, and it was possible to somehow defend their rights. With great difficulty we gradually defend them. 14 percent of Crimean Tatars with great difficulty in the native language to open 14 schools, and ethnic Ukrainians are not so organized, and although they made up 23-25 ​​percent of the population of the peninsula – they have 7 schools. It all depended on how active we were. We helped our organization. And the land problems. Poklonskaya now saying: “Over the years, the Majlis has not solved the problems of land of the Crimean Tatars.” Allow me, as if in the Majlis had some opportunity to give orders and to allocate land! Majlis only organized protests demanding the allocation of land. And thank God, at least something we wanted. But it was still in the hands of the authorities,

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Eider Muzhdabaev noted that the mood of depressed people in the Crimea.

Eider Muzhdabaev: In this situation, the Crimean Tatars were probably only at the time of deportation, when any soldier could poke their butt, shoot at anyone, and so on. You can not even be an activist – it does not matter. You can not like a neighbor, a colleague, your store may not like competitor – all have nothing. You – Crimean Tatar, and that’s enough to you to write a denunciation.

Even in this regard, there is a social problem. The fact that there will be processes that we are well familiar with Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union under Stalin, when from people who may fall under the repression will be shy, like lepers. And as for all the Crimea it is obvious that all Crimean Tatars may potentially become victims of repression, with the Crimean Tatars will be less talk; they will speak to their children not to go to visit them, will be a little talk, be treated like a leper. Because you communicate today with Crimean Tatar, and tomorrow he will be a “terrorist”.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: In Bulgaria and in some republics of Yugoslavia was a special process slavyanizatsii. All Turkic names changed to Slavic to somehow dilute the nationality, the memory of the Turkish rule. Can the Kremlin to organize something like this and against the Crimean Tatars?

Valery Khomyakov:In our country, it is difficult something is to believe. You never know what will come to mind to some minister. To prove his loyalty, he can come up with anything. I would not want to come to this. And so the cones stuffed himself, many in Europe and elsewhere twist finger to his temple, when they look at the policy of our state. I hope, to this still will not come, but attempts can be. Do zealous officials who want to make a political career, no less “shiny” than Madame Poklonsky that nobody knew two years ago, and now she was almost to the State Duma met, even without primaries. I think maybe it would be nice … his political career in the State Duma few people did. I saw Aleksandr Ivanovich Lebed walked, when he became a State Duma deputy, he was not interesting to anyone. And Mrs. Poklonskaya. Maybe there will be more tolerant person, but this is not our problem.

As for the possibilities and attempts russify this part of the Crimean Tatars, who for various reasons, have begun to cooperate with the authorities … I remind you that there is one Crimean Tatar, in my opinion, the vice-premier in the government of Crimea. Well, people went to work – but for God’s sake! But if you work it, work for the benefit, including the Crimean Tatar people. What he likes this kind of action? On the prohibition of the Mejlis, he probably could have done a little more demonstrative step and get away from the Crimean management. Looks like guts.

I still see this blatant stupidity attempt to split the Crimean Tatars into several pieces. And we, ordinary citizens, through the famous canals and show in certain programs that they’re all here for Putin for the Kremlin, for its multi-ethnic, peaceful policy as they used to say. And that there is some fringe represented by the Mejlis, Mr. Cemil, Chubarov and other people who are not already in the Crimea, unfortunately, they were forced to leave – were driven from their homes of people … To this we must be prepared in including the heads of the Mejlis. A organization, I think you can always come up with a different form. Especially Muzhdabaev quite correctly noted – is not in the Ministry of Justice of the registration of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people. There is no such organization. How can you deny what is not ?! So, people can come up with some form of so

Поэтому тут приходится, видимо, достаточно непросто жителям Крыма, которые считают себя крымскими татарами. Мы это видели по другим тенденциям, которые очень четко просматриваются в нашей внутренней политике. Но я не понимаю руководство России. Им-то это зачем? Что, мало шишек вы набили? Вы хотите поссориться с исламским миром окончательно и бесповоротно? Тут бед натворили, а потом надо бежать в Саудовскую Аравию: “Ребята, давайте сократим объем нефти”. Вы чего-нибудь одно выбирайте, в конце концов. Сколько можно эту глупость смотреть?! Я давно живу на белом свете, видел всяких руководителей, и глупости у них тоже были. Но были какие-то рациональные зерна в поведении. А здесь я не вижу рациональности. Одна иррациональность, одни эмоции, одно желание угодить верховному царю. А дальше что? Хоть бы на шаг вперед посмотрели, что дальше будет.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Even Stalin’s executioners had the good sense to leave one of the hero of the Crimean Tatar people – the pilot Amet-Khan Sultan. And then he died a mysterious death. And now almost all dealt with moral authority. After all, no one can go back to their homeland.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Stalin had not had the sense to leave Amet-Khan Sultan in Crimea. At that time he lived in Moscow. And in accordance with the law, since he twice Hero of the Soviet Union, he placed the bust and was told that he could live. But he said: “What should I do there?” And he is not moved to the Crimea.

And the prospect of Russification of the settlements of the Crimea. This has been done by Stalin. There russify nothing. All Russian already there. I think that in the near future Ukraine will pass a law on the restoration of the historical place names. Already in terms decommunisation somewhere in 67 settlements of the Crimea renamed. And on all maps of the world will be the names of those villages, which will be adopted by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine. Because legally Crimea is part of the Ukrainian state.

And about the moral authorities. Russian practice was initially “buy” Majlis. This was caused by an invitation to me to Moscow. Somewhere in 35-40 minutes we were on the phone with Mr. Putin said on this subject. Mountain promises we happily alive in the Russian Federation. But when that did not work, when we said that first print its troops from our territory, but if you want to assist, then sit down at the negotiating table with our guide – even then, of course, the atmosphere changed. And the tactic was, of course, to evict people who, from their point of view can affect the mood of the people, to lead any protest movement. And indeed it is now Russia’s policy is to ensure that displace the Crimean Tatars, as it was during the time of the first occupation of the reign of Catherine II. Then, too, they were deported, robbed land. As a result, many Crimean Tatars left their lands and moved to the Ottoman Empire. Now in Turkey where some 10 times more of the Crimean Tatars, than in the Crimea. And now this policy continues.

There are facts of kidnapping and murder. We follow, whom they kidnapped and murdered. It is not only the activists of the national movement. People have the impression that no one is guaranteed. And not only the facts of murders are not investigated – it is used as a bargaining chip. For example, when questioned by some of the members of the Majlis, or an activist of the national movement in the current Crimea, if he keeps with dignity, say to him: “Are not you afraid to become a” ischeznoventsem “Or:” Are not you afraid that tomorrow your children may disappear? “the practice is that even when Stalin was not done Yes, under Stalin dissidents killed, shot, but to openly say.” Tomorrow your children will disappear, if you behave this way “- is rarely practiced now revived all. most gloomy, it was under the Soviet regime.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Journalist Eider Muzhdabaev struck by the indifference of the Russian society.

Eider Muzhdabaev: I am struck by the passivity of the Russian society, which is already itself is on the verge of total repression. I am struck by the indifference of the Russian public, including the so-called liberal. I have all these strikes and sad surprise. It seems to me, no lessons were not learned. And just as the liberal Germans calmly looked at the beginning of repression against the Jews when Jewish organizations were forbidden, when only was the first voice that “Jews do us harm, we let it close, ban”, many were silent. And many journalists are silent, many public figures were silent. Why this silence led – can not remember. I think that here the silence that creates Russia with the Crimean Tatars, I regard as a sign of agreement with this policy. This stunning cowardice, which can not be explained by anything,

Vladimir Kara-Murza, Sr.: The website of the Human Rights Council under the President Nikolai Svanidze just plucked up courage and asked about the disappearance of the Crimean Tatars. It has been 9 people by the time it was last fall. And no one else has raised this issue with the authorities, with the Kremlin.

Valery Khomyakov: Unfortunately, it is. So it turns out that either it is not interesting to anyone of those people, journalists and human rights, or they go about their business, and they do not care about the Crimean Tatars.

I thought that’s what connection with our theme. It seems to be calm Republic of Tatarstan in the national plan. Although in the early 90’s there all the seething, and no less than in Chechnya. And only thanks to the Shaimiev could somehow prevent the explosion. Until recently. But recently I heard the news on one of the radio channels: Vsetatarsky community center (quite nationalistic) long statement currently no resemblance, and then decided to give some object Russian name. And now starting to raise the question of what we need to give the name Tatar.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Station Kazan subway, they want to rename.

Valery Khomyakov:Maybe it’s not so bad, but the fact that such an attitude to the citizens or to those organizations who are Muslims who allegedly considered Russian territory, according to the Crimea, our government and the majority of society, may wittingly or unwittingly encourage nationalist currents in the republics where Islam dominates. I would very much like to be wrong, but I fear that such a danger can arise. It is this: “You insult our there, so then let’s call a subway station, but not so.” And nationalism – this thing is so, it arises out of nothing, from scratch, it would seem. And that seems to be now seems peaceful enough, whether in Tatarstan and other republics … Sometimes the spark is enough to blazed that we observe between Armenia and Azerbaijan, and God forbid, if I was right. But I think,

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Mustafa, I know that you do not recognize territorial changes that have occurred over the past two years. Who would you help to influence the situation? Maybe, the Moscow Helsinki Group? Or are you still be equal to the Ukrainian human rights activists?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: First, about Tatarstan. Tatarstan would like to put forward as a mediator. In the early days of the occupation, President of Tatarstan Minnikhanov obscene often came to the Crimea to persuade us that now we will be together with the Russian Federation. A power saw that there was no sense of that mediation, not even harm some … Because somehow become Tatar envoys from Tatarstan reason is not entirely wrong when he explained that this position is not acceptable to us, and them removed. And now there are visitors from Tatarstan virtually none. Basically right now visitors – it is the FSB.

Возникает вопрос: как защитить права крымских татар? Я об этом говорил и в Страсбурге, в Парламентской Ассамблее Совета Европы, в Совете Безопасности 18 марта. Защитить права крымских татар в оккупационном состоянии невозможно. Потому что в Российском государстве отсутствуют демократические свободы. И в оккупированных территориях они, конечно, не будут создавать какой-то демократический анклав. Поэтому единственный путь защиты наших прав – приложить все усилия для того, чтобы агрессор, оккупант покинул нашу территорию. Другого выхода я просто не вижу.

Of course, we are grateful to Kasyanov, who recently said that Crimea one way or another will be returned. And then I called from Moscow and said: “Why do you rely on this Kasyanov In the elections he gets no more than 7-8 percent of the vote?”. I say: “It’s great here is such propaganda, as if all the Russians – that!” Quilted jackets “Still 7-8 percent of normal people you have.”. And thank God, at least some have a layer that understands what’s what, guided by the interests of the people, and not some kind of chauvinistic ambitions. But, of course, sadly, that most glad that they have such a manual bandit that it snapped off part of the territory of another country. It’s very sad. It’s tragic and disastrous for Russia. This occupation, no one will ever admit. In Crimea, there is no prospect not only for the Crimean Tatar people, but also for the entire population. It will be subsidized, decaying region. Even Russian economists have estimated that every year include the Crimea, even in such a depressed state, as now, will cost the Russian budget in the $ 4-5 billion. Therefore, the only way – is the restoration of international law and the maintenance of invaders from our territory.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Can you recognize the jurisdiction of the Strasbourg Court of Human Rights and PACE? Or you do not want to admit that your rights are now being violated on the territory of Russia?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Of course, we treat and will appeal. There is a decision of the Strasbourg Court on specific issues. But Russia is not fulfilling them. It does not fulfill even its own legislation. For example, the prohibition of the Majlis. The accusation is made up of 650 pages – it’s mostly excerpts from my speeches, Chubarov and other members of the Majlis that we do not recognize the occupation, we demand the withdrawal of foreign troops from our territory. And for this reason they say that we are encroaching on the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation and the Russian Federation poses a threat to security. So, the process is not over, not yet read the so-called decision of the court, and the Ministry of Justice has introduced Majlis in its list of banned extremist organizations. Where is the logic here? And recently, it was decided that Russia can not implement the decisions of international courts, including the European Court of Human Rights if they are contrary to the interests of Russia. So what the hell you were then to the European Council ?! There was a duty that you will comply with the decisions of the European Council and the European Court. Well, there is no logic. And we recognize and will recognize the judgments of the European Court.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Yes, the Constitutional Court did not accept to be able to vote to prisoners.

And how many of your like-minded people are now prisoners in Russian prisons?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: In total we have 13 members. There are three categories of prisoners. One category – it is for religious reasons. While there is nothing extremist they did not commit, they only found some literature, a Russian point of view – banned, extremist. The second group – those who met me May 3, 2014. It turns out that they illegally crossed the border. From the point of view of international law it is not a border. They moved from one part of Ukraine in the other. As a result, they have had clashes with riot police.

A third category, in which the sitting and the first deputy of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people Ahtem Chiygoz – this meeting February 26, 2014, before the so-called annexation, before the occupation, to the so-called referendum. The Crimean Tatars were against the attempts of the separatist forces in Crimea joining Russia. Here is the February 26 rally, they are regarded as unauthorized and illegal. And that, on 26 February we had to take permission to hold a rally? They act in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, and there did not have to take permission to hold rallies. Here on such absurd accusations is now Ahtemu Chiygozu faces from 15 and up to 20 years in prison. They believe that he organized a rally against annexation to Russia.

And most importantly – the situation of terror. In total, up to the end of last year was, in my opinion, more than 200 searches in homes, schools, mosques of the Crimean Tatars. 95-96 percent – it searches in the homes and in the schools of the Crimean Tatars.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: We expect that once again will be denied and the Day of memory of victims of deportation. Some hotheads think they can ban and Pushkin’s poem “The Fountain of Bakhchisarai” and mention of the Giray dynasty.

Sourse, 27/04/2016

In Crimea, the situation of fear prevails, the feeling of complete vulnerability to arbitrary

August 22, 2015

Mustafa Dzhemilev, the People’s Deputy of Ukraine, leader of the Crimean Tatar people for many is an example. The man who broke into the ordeal and did not buy generous promises. It is compulsory in their promises and consistent actions. Now, when the Crimea was in the Russian occupation, Mustafa-aga is making for the liberation of their motherland more effort than the Foreign Ministry and other government institutions of Ukraine, together.

Mustafa Dzhemilev in a conversation with “Internet” spoke about his international activities and relations with the Russian justice. He expressed his views on the law that declared annexed Crimea free economic zone and promised that if the corruption loophole is closed, he and his supporters would block the road to the Crimea, on which ride the wagon with food and other goods for the occupants.

– Mr. Cemil, now, when Crimea was annexed by the Russians, where your family lives?

– In Bakhchisarai. I live there my wife and son.

– How often do you see them and how to keep in touch?

– Not very often. Last time my wife and I traveled together in Ankara on Congress. She silent fears often leave the Crimea – the logic of the current Crimean authorities can not understand them at any time may not be allowed back. And there – family, friends, home, elderly mother. In addition, the exit of any national of Crimea is perceived very painfully and disapproval. Like, I invite all to suffer and not to leave the Crimea, while they themselves were taken away their relatives!

– Relatives in the Crimea received Russian passports?

– My wife – no, for it is fundamentally, and daughter also did not get, so it is fired from his job at the Tauride University. But the vast majority of Crimean residents still have to get these passports, because without them there to live virtually impossible – not to seek medical help, or get a job, or to issue the property nor any bureaucratic issues can not be solved without Russian documents.

– What has changed in their reviews are now living in the Crimea?

– Everything they say that in the Crimea is now reigns atmosphere of fear, a feeling of complete vulnerability to tyranny. Even on holidays, at weddings do not have the joy that was before. People are afraid to talk to each other. The social position of the people, with the exception of the military, police and government officials, also deteriorated significantly – reducing wages, reducing purchasing power, high cost, long queues in hospitals, etc. And angry, too, is strictly prohibited, it is only necessary to express joy over the “return” of the Crimea to Russia.

– Even among the Crimean Tatars are afraid to be frank?

– there was a lot of snitches. Yes, and listening devices around them stuffed.

– The Russian authorities are blackmailing you your son. What do they offer you?

– Once in August last year, one of the advisers of the Russian president was Kiev and said that Vladimir Vladimirovich wanted to talk back to me, I said that we can only meet in Kiev, because I was denied entry to Russia. I replied that if I would agree to a meeting, then, depending on what the results will be achieved on it, my son the next day will be at home, and I can safely travel to the Crimea. To this I said to him: “That is Vladimir Vladimirovich is holding my son hostage So he’s a terrorist You tell him that we do not conduct negotiations with terrorists?”.

After it went my statement to the press, he called me and complained that I was about the confidentiality clause told the media. And I say, “So you do not make me indecent proposals”. Now this advisor, apparently for something that does not cope with the task, it is very far distant from Putin.

– What fate awaits Now your son?

– He was sentenced to five years in prison for manslaughter. By all the laws, including the Russian, he should be handed over to Ukraine, because the event took place in the territory of Ukraine, and the victim, and my son, too, are the Ukrainian citizens. My son’s lawyer in court talking about the illegality and illegitimacy of such actions. There is also a decision of the European Court of Human Rights that he be extradited, but Russia is not considered with the verdict and did not even respond to our Ministry of Foreign Affairs requests.

My wife also gave readings there. The court, by the way, took place in Krasnodar, Krasnodar, and in addition the prosecutor at the trial was attended by 2 Prosecutor of Crimea. They also asked some questions that my wife said, “I’m on the question of traitors who have violated the oath of his country, do not answer.”

But the jury – it is, in my opinion, one of those units that the Putin regime is not able to control. Both my wife and daughter said that by the jury to him felt some sympathy. When everything came out of the courtroom, one of the women, the jury wished them: “May God give you good luck!”

– Mustafa-aga, what, in your opinion, Ukraine should pursue a policy in relation to the occupied Crimea? And how do you assess the Law “On free economic zones”, according to which Crimea declared a territory?

– On the topic of the law, I have repeatedly talked with the President and the Prime Minister. This is absurd: the occupied territory are declared free economic zone. Yes, to maintain communication with the peninsula, to ensure movement of citizens need. But our power is all done vice versa – are all sorts of obstacles at the entrance and the entrance to the Crimea with Ukrainian passports of people, representatives of the Diaspora, and to carry loads kilometers of queues trucks that follow almost without any checks.

We even conducted an experiment: sent to a person abroad, he comes to customs with the question as to whether they help hold the wagon, not figuring out what cargo it carries. “$ 500, – says he – and another 500 will have to give the border guards.” As a result, a bargain for a total of $ 800. Without checking, pay – and take me what you want!

All this talk, they say, there live our fellow citizens, they can not be left without food – it is the purest nonsense, it does not care about the citizens, if 90% of imported products in the Crimea and then moves on to Russia. But even that, what remains is primarily for the supply of military units. The shops, of course, also is part.

Without doubt, the main supplier of products to the peninsula – it is Ukraine, and if we do not supply them, where prices rise sharply. Russia will have to diversify the supplies, delivering goods by aircraft and ferries, but they will cost several times more expensive. But we continue to carefully feed the invaders and protect the Russian treasury of additional costs.

– What you said the president of the law on SEZs?

– During our last conversation with him, I said that we will block these columns trucks and special no objection.

And the Cabinet is now drawn up a list of goods that can be passed and in what amount. Also planned to establish hubs in the Kherson region – ie, large markets, where the inhabitants of the Crimea will come to buy food.

– It will be convenient for residents of the Crimea, living close to the border with Kherson region. Others, perhaps, will be expensive to travel?

– They do not care it will cost is 2-2.5 times cheaper than buying products in the Crimea. There will be sold not only products, but also construction materials – cement, crushed stone, etc. for individual use, which are now imported from Ukraine in the Crimea as a free economic zone. But the large-scale importation of trucks these materials to the Crimea, which are used in the construction of landfills for Russian missile systems for nuclear base, which is now settling for Kyzyltash, should not be.

– Mustafa-aga, you Simferopol was a charity fund “Krim”. At the moment he was arrested by the Russian authorities?

– First, they said that the Fund can not function because its founder is a foreign national, that is me. they have made themselves a foreigner. Foundation staff compromised and expelled me from its composition, although the statute is not written that I am the founder, as it is based the decision of the National Congress (Kurultai), and members of his administration also appointed by decision of the National Congress, and I, as chairman of the Majlis, of course, was the president of the Foundation.

The Russian authorities, who came to the Crimea, blocked the activity of the Foundation, and all that belongs to the Fund, and therefore the Majlis – buildings, offices – were arrested.

Moreover, all these assets were purchased by us and is privately owned. For example, building on the street. Schmidt 2 in Simferopol, which is considered an architectural monument, was bought by us many years ago, 40 or 45 thousand. Dollars.

All work carried out to repair the building, should be consistent with the architecture of the Committee. So, apart from the fact that the seizure of property was imposed due to the fact that I – “foreign” citizens, even house arrest because without the consent of the Russian architectural department repair of the roof was carried out there. This is so stupid … Are roof repairs should have been in the Ukrainian Crimea negotiate with Moscow? Well, if you would not have made the repair, then certainly he would have seized because “architectural monument” resulted in a state of neglect.

– That is the repair of the roof was carried out prior to the occupation, and the claims presented to you now?

– Of course. In fact of all the absurd.

– Yes, the Russians in the Crimea does not cease to amaze. Mustafa-aga, you filed suit in Moscow’s Basmanny Court to invalidate the decision of the Federal Migration Service to ban the entry you in Crimea. Why Moscow court?

– The lawsuit filed in the Basmanny Court lawyer, Mark Feigin, which protects our Hope Savchenko. Moreover, not in the hope of obtaining a fair judgment on the abolition of the ban arrogant, but to at least find out – what authority and who is hated this decision.

After all, in our hands is not a single document, where it would say something about the ban. I have in the cordon with Crimea on April 19 last year, just read out the paper on which there was no signature, no seal. The lawsuit was to determine who still ruled the ban. In theory, it was supposed to make the Federal Migration Service, but they say they do not do that. Even information on the prohibition of entry I have on the website of the Military Prosecutor’s Office, but also without specifying who took this decision. There is only a kind of justification for the ban – say, represent a threat to the territorial integrity and security of Russia.

And there are even more voluminous document authorship Crimean prosecutor’s office, in which he explained what I bad person, are gleaned from the Internet “anti-Russian” quotes from my interviews and stuff.

So at the trial it became clear that a decision on me took out the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation, even though it does not fit into the Russian legislation, because it is the prerogative of the Federal Service for Migration. But the document with the FSB, too, so no one has presented. Now we have moved to the next stage of the story, it will conclude that now Mark Feigin is preparing documents for the ECHR.

– And why you turned to Russian lawyer?

– To find out what and where it came from in this case, it is necessary in the territory of Russia. Who is going to file a lawsuit with the ECHR – I or Feigin – whether it is necessary that documents of all levels were collected in Russia. That’s it, Mark does.

– What do you think, whether Ukraine should demand compensation from Russia for the assets in the Crimea? And it will not look as if we sell the Crimea?

– Payment shall be required for damages, for all that they have destroyed, taken away. And it’s time to force this point through the international courts to bring lawsuits Russia, and since it will not pay, then seize the property of Russia abroad. We are late with this case, and “YUKOS” Mihaila Hodorkovskogo, for example, won a lawsuit against the US $ 50 billion and now slowly begins to take the Russian property in some countries. The litigation lasted a long time and this was not easy, but in the “Yukos’ former shareholders eventually won. And here the situation is more obvious than that there – there is a violation not only of the economic rights, and international.

– Mustafa-aga, the decree of President of Ukraine you are appointed by the Commissioner of the Crimean Tatar people. Tell me, how we internally displaced persons from the Crimea?

– Displaced we mainly engaged in charity Crimea-SOS and representative of the UN High Commissariat for Refugees Ukraine, who led Oldrich Andrusek.

Cadence it was over, but instead wanted to appoint a former GDRovskogo Komsomolets, who has close ties with Russia. Our Foreign Ministry is justified objected to his candidacy and now representative of the High Commissioner, as it were, without the boss.

Check with great precision of movement of the inhabitants of the peninsula is impossible. But last year Andrusek said that moved about 10 thousand people, half of them – the Crimean Tatars. Who receives information about 21 000 and about 35 thousand. Slightly more than half of all internally displaced persons from the Crimea up the Crimean Tatars, because for them there is the greatest pressure.

– any cases of human rights violations you have fixed in the Crimea, both in terms of the Crimean Tatars, and the rest of the population. And how do you respond to them?

– We can not control everything, but now we already are building a network of correspondents all over the Crimea. This thing is very expensive and dangerous, because there is shadowing the Russian special services delivered at a high level. We collect information on the lines of the Mejlis also created their own network Crimean News Agency with the center in Kiev and ATR channel.

– What we have today in Ukraine there are programs, projects for the return of the Crimea under the jurisdiction of Ukraine?

– a detailed strategy for the return of the Crimea we do not have. But I expressed my opinion, it is that the military way of Crimea return is not possible, it was necessary to shoot at the beginning, and now, according to various estimates, the peninsula is concentrated from 60 to 80 thousand Russian troops, all dispersed weapons, tanks, missiles. There is also evidence that in Kyzyltash near Yalta restore the nuclear facilities and were seen cars, which have the symbol, a warning about nuclear dangers. But the “Topol”, “Iskander”, “SS-20”, which can carry nuclear weapons, there already is. And in the case of a military conflict, if, God forbid, it will explode even one nuclear warhead, it can be a disaster not only for the Crimea, the whole of Ukraine and Russia, but also for the whole of Europe. In a word,

I believe that the main strategy for the Crimea – sanctions. Therefore, the World Congress of Crimean Tatars, which discussed the issue of Crimea, addressed to the whole world and to the Turkish Government to join the sanctions.

The Russians, of course, very nervous about the Congress, they had set up in the Crimea its Sabbath forcibly assembled state employees, and on their behalf made an appeal to Erdogan that he would not allow the Congress. But Erdogan has not only ensured the smooth conduct of the Congress, but also addressed the delegates with the message, where he said that Turkey will never recognize the occupation and will always strive to restore the territorial integrity of Ukraine, called Crimean Tatars continue their struggle for the liberation of Crimea from the Russian occupation . Around the same vein were the treatment and the Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu.

First, the Russian press gleefully reported that Erdogan “ignored”, did not come to our Congress. But he could not come, because these days, together with the Minister of Foreign Affairs visited Indonesia and Pakistan. The Prime Minister was not there in Ankara. But as soon as they returned to the country, then immediately and the prime minister and the president invited us to a meeting. After that, the tone of the Russian press has become a bilious and angry – both in relation to Erdogan, and in general to the international policy of Turkey.

– The Verkhovna Rada has a sectarian association “Crimea”. Who enters into it, and what do they do?

– No special results of work they do not have, and powers, in general, too, no no. MP Alexey Goncharenko suggested that I led the work of this association, but I refused, and then he himself became head of the group.

We’re talking about what we need to create in the Verkhovna Rada a separate Committee for Crimea and other occupied territories. This issue we will discuss in the near future with the Speaker of BP Vladimirom Groysmanom.

– And what in general there are international projects dealing with the problem of the Crimea?

– Who will be the return of the Crimea, if not ourselves? The international community is merely states that the annexation of the Crimea and the Russian invasion of the territory of Ukraine is illegal and does not recognize Crimea’s accession to Russia.

Penalties – it is their measure of influence on Russia. But the sanctions also affect the economies of those countries that have joined this list. For example, I was in Italy, where Berlusconi’s party and even some party “5 stars” comedian Beppe Grullo in favor of the abolition of the sanctions. This movement is in France. But thank God, these countries have not yet abolished the sanctions and unlikely to be canceled until the liberation of the Crimea, but the Russian secret services are working very hard in this respect – and bribe some politicians or organizations, snapping up even provincial newspapers in the European countries, to apply, as is the case with French delegation, traveling to the Crimea and meetings with the occupation authorities and then repeated their statements to the press that no one’s rights are not violated. Unfortunately, the corrupt and greedy for dirty money people everywhere suffice.

But independent international human rights organizations and the Russian authorities in Crimea is not allowed. Once allowed to enter the Turkish group of independent experts, apparently relying on their loyalty, as Turkey has not yet acceded to the sanctions. First was the question of how the delegation would be to get there: if in Moscow, it will be a violation of Ukrainian sovereignty, if in Kiev, then they were not allowed to Crimea. Then, in a conversation with Erdogan in Kyiv on March 20, I proposed a compromise, the delegation arrived in Kiev, and then went to Moscow and from there to Simferopol. Such an option all arranged, and our Ministry of Foreign Affairs also did not mind.

Following the visit to the Crimea a group of experts presented a report on 20 pages, which was a shock to the Russians, because it shows everything as it really is. After that no uncontrolled Russian mission to the Crimea is no longer allowed. We wish to operate through Russian human rights organizations, but they also create a lot of obstacles to their activities in the Crimea – and delay, and check. I am talking about Russian human rights defenders from the group of dissident hardening – Lyudmile Alekseevoy, for example.

– Mustafa-aga, tell us about your trip to Poland for the presentation of the Solidarity Award. You, as far as I know, offered other nominees for the award?

– The award was given to the daughter of Boris Nemtsov – Jeanne. I, as the first winner of this award, had the right to nominate, and the first name that came to mind then, of course, was Boris Nemtsov – a fearless fighter against the regime, against the occupation of the Crimea, and Russia’s war against Ukraine. Which, by the way, and he knew about it he said at a meeting with me in Kiev, that it was likely soon be killed. But the Polish Solidarity Prize as the Nobel not awarded posthumously. So I made the candidacy of Alexander Podrabinek, who fearlessly fought against the Soviet regime, he spent many years in prisons, camps and exile, and now as hard struggles with the Putin regime. I mentioned this in his speech at the ceremony in Warsaw Award on 6 August.

All nominated candidates were many, about 20 people of European, Asian and African countries, and all of them mentioned in a separate film, which was shown at the ceremony.

Out of all the nominations the jury chose Zhannu Nemtsovu – the daughter of Boris Nemtsov, a courageous and talented journalist who after the death of his father, too, was forced to leave Russia, and works on the radio “Deutsche Welle”. By the way, she said that a significant portion of the premium received will give the families of our “Heavenly hundred”, “Boris Nemtsov Fund” to continue his father’s business, the Crimean Tatar TV channel ATR-in-exile, which is the “bastion of freedom on the peninsula of speech and objective news about the situation” and other charitable projects in Ukraine.

Interviewed by Natalia Kondratieva

Sourse, 21/08/2015

Crimea is not yours

December 3, 2014

In the program “Face-to-event” to “Radio Liberty” – an interview with the leader of the Crimean Tatar people, MP of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Mustafa Dzhemilev about what happened and is happening in Russia annexed Crimea.

Conversations at the international conference in Wroclaw memory of the poet Natalia Gorbanevskaya .

Mikhail Sokolov: Conference “Against war and violence.” Which was held November 29 and 30 in Poland in Wroclaw, it was dedicated to the memory of the poet and human rights activist Natalia Gorbanevskaya, one of the eight people who came to Red Square August 25, 1968, in protest against the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia. Participated in policy discussions, human rights activists, historians, writers from Russia, Ukraine, Poland, the protesters in Red Square in 1968. Pavel Litvinov and Viktor Feinberg. The leader of the Crimean Tatar people Mustafa Dzhemilev spoke about Natalia Gorbanevskaya.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Dear friends, colleagues. A year as dead Natalia Gorbanevskaya. But we, the old dissidents, while we are still alive, perhaps we should talk about Natalia Gorbanevskaya. This is very important, because such people always lacked, then and now, and not to be missed in the future tense.

Already the first document, which was signed by the initiative group – it would appeal to the United Nations Commission on Human Rights, where there were 15 signatures of members of the initiative group, which spoke about the main crimes of the Soviet regime in the field of human rights, including mention of the struggle of the Crimean Tatar people to return to their homeland, about lawlessness of the Soviet authorities. It was one of the first documents, which allowed to bring the Crimean Tatar problem, the problem of the deported people to return to their historical homeland of the world community.

Arrest Natalia Gorbanevskaya very painful blow to the initiative of our group. Because a major role in the collection of materials, drafting, correcting and even many of the documents, which were issued by the initiative group of human rights, Natalia played Gorbanevskaya. There are these words: “And the good and evil – all die, so better to let the good we will remember.” Natalia Gorbanevskaya one of those people who will remember for a long time.

Mikhail Sokolov: “Poetry Natalia Gorbanevskaya inherits Russian civic poetry, with its idealism, the idea of ​​man as a being, longing for justice, sacrifice and unselfish,” – said Grigory Yavlinsky. But, of course, the focus was not only poetry, but also the problems of human rights, ideals that were important for Natalia Gorbanevskaya, were central to her life.

The son of Natalia Gorbanevskaya – Jaroslav urged the authorities of Western countries demand that the Russian release of all political prisoners.

Jaroslav Gorbanevsky: Today I am in Wroclaw on the anniversary of my mother’s memory, which stands for your freedom and ours. For the freedom of all, in particular, for freedom of political prisoners. If we celebrate the memorial of her reward with something or just remember, just honestly could say: It stands for freedom, let us do as well as she did. We love her, we honor it, let’s do what she would have asked us to do. So today I asked Poland to those whose words at the official level is important, with a request: say three sentences, speaking officially, openly, publicly, tell those three phrases to release Russian prisoners.

Mikhail Sokolov: “Polish society is one in relation to assessment of the events in Ukraine and the aggression against it”, – said the president of the Polish Institute of National Remembrance Lukasz Kaminski. The famous Polish sociologist and translator of Adam Pomorsky believes that Putin managed to just a year to destroy what happened in Europe in the last quarter of a century.

At an international conference in Wroclaw, a resolution was adopted with the assessment of what is happening in Russia and Ukraine:

“We, the participants of the international conference” Days of memory Natali Gorbanevskoy “urge the Russian people do not support a regime that leads to disaster.

We appeal to the governments and citizens of the free world: do not throw the Ukraine alone. Stop Russian aggression.

We, friends and colleagues Natali Gorbanevskoy, appeal to the governments and citizens of the free world: ask the Russian authorities to release all political prisoners. “

The resolution is very important, – says human rights activist and historian Alexander Daniel:

At the international conference “Against war and violence” in the center of attention and was the Crimean Tatar issue.

About what is happening in the Crimea, now in the “Face-to-event”, we talk with the leader of the Crimean Tatar human rights movement, a deputy of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Mustafa Dzhemilev.

Mustafa, I would like to start a little distance in the same sense as were the relations of the Crimean Tatar people with the Ukrainian authorities in Crimea. Because today on this topic a lot of different fantasies, talk about what you and discriminated against in Ukraine. Like going back?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Definitely, that any coherent policy of the Ukrainian state system against the Crimean Tatar people as an indigenous people of the peninsula, was not. Yes, Ukraine has declared that it recognizes the illegal deportation of the Crimean Tatars, has committed itself to solve all the social and legal problems of the Crimean Tatar people. In practice, it has done very little. We, the Crimean Tatars did not return what was illegally taken away.

On the one hand this is understandable. What to do with, say, the people who live in our homes. The state in this respect, has said that it is the best of its capabilities will solve social problems through the provision of the budget year in accordance with their capabilities, but stood minuscule, it did not cover a tenth of what is needed, not even was the fact income taxes, which was obtained in the Crimean Tatars working.

In general, the attitude of the Ukrainian establishment to the Crimean Tatars was such as to the voters. Upcoming elections, they proceed from the fact that the Crimean Tatars have consolidated electorate, the vast majority decision of its highest representative body of the Mejlis, the Kurultai, therefore, agreed with Parliament to the effect that we support them in the elections, and if they win, introduce some of its passage list one or two, depending on the capabilities of this political party, our representatives.

But Majlis has its basic principles. For example, even if the Communist Party offered us their entire list to give, we would not have voted. We have always supported the principle of national-democratic forces, they usually do not come to power. There was one case when Yushchenko was president, the party came to power. Then they began discord, they not only failed to fulfill the promises against the Crimean Tatars, but also generally in relation to other voters, too.

Worse it was the part of those who came to power. They are, as a rule, relied on in Russian, chauvinistic electorate. To us it was, at least, indifference, hostility under Yanukovych. Accordingly, the problem is not solved. If the Crimean Tatars in the autonomy is 14%, then in the structures, as we shall find in the local or regional elections executive, representative government depended places, and in the executive power structure the percentage of Crimean Tatars did not exceed 2.5-3%, that is discrimination 4-5. Accordingly, no other problems were solved. Not because Ukraine was chauvinistic, great-approach to the Crimean Tatars. Due, in particular, the fact that the Crimea – is a region where the vast majority are ethnic Russian, who moved primarily, more than 80%

The stereotype, which was implemented for decades, that drove away it is true that they are traitors, all of this favorably perceived by them, give peace of mind, as they took home, whom they sent to death, and then it turns out, it turns out, that they are bad. Here is the promotion lasted for many years, and it was passed down from generation to generation.

Mikhail Sokolov: Crimean authorities with those who led the executive branch, could agree, or they had a special respect for its Kiev, more rigid with respect to the Crimean Tatar people politics?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Definitely all, who heads the executive branch can not. Were more or less pragmatic, to the best of their abilities a little bit more far-sighted than towards others. The last prime minister of Mogilev, ardent chauvinist who in the press openly justified the deportation of Crimean Tatars, said it was the “fifth column”. What can you negotiate with them? Respectively had the chauvinistic policy. He fully supported, as well as his chief of Yanukovich, a pro-Russian on the Russian majority. In between, there were some people, such as the Prime Minister Kunitsyn or Speaker of the Verkhovna Rada Gritsenko, who understood that if you do not solve the problem of the Crimean Tatars, then this is the way to conflict, then they will not be able, and for ourselves to get something. That is a more pragmatic, more prone to the Crimean Tatars.

Mikhail Sokolov: Did you have any suggestions that might be organized in the Crimea coup with the participation of Russian law enforcement agencies, with the participation of Aksenov groups, and so on?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: For a long time, my view was that the current situation in Russia is unlikely to direct annexation, most likely Russia will always create tensions, create problems Ukraine to the fact that they could not create an independent policy. But the fact that so and will move its troops, chop off another part of the territory, in the twenty-first century, it seemed incredible. But after the 2008 Russian-Georgian war, I was probably one of the first, which opened in the press, in the newspaper “Day” said that next in line could be Ukraine. I even said so, that repeated a similar scenario. If, for example, in Georgia, South Ossetia and Abkhazia strenuously heard Russian passports, then about the same thing happens. I cited statistics on how much we have in the Crimea there is people who have Russian passports, analysis of the elections to the authorities of Russia. Sets the polling stations, and those who have Russian passports, vote. Based on the fact that it was not quite comfortable to come from one village to another in the elections, we did this offer and come to the conclusion that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel. who have Russian passports, vote. Based on the fact that it was not quite comfortable to come from one village to another in the elections, we did this offer and come to the conclusion that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel. who have Russian passports, vote. Based on the fact that it was not quite comfortable to come from one village to another in the elections, we did this offer and come to the conclusion that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel. that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel. that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel.

I also said that a serious threat to the security of Ukraine is the Black Sea fleet, so you should immediately proceed to the denunciation of the contract with Russia on the Black Sea Fleet. Although I suggest what may be the cost, what penalties, but the security interests should be paramount. Of course, to take a course to join the North Atlantic alliance.

But authorities did exactly the opposite. It was still under Yushchenko, and after a while came to power Yanukovych, it is not something to denounce, the term had come to an end in 2017, it extended for another 25 years under the pretext that Putin promised to reduce the price of gas at one hundred dollars per thousand cubic meters. This, in my view, was a real betrayal. No wonder at the statement, upon ratification of this treaty were just fights in the parliament. But the power they have, and they were able to push through it.

So later I saw an analytical report of the Security Service of the Crimea to his superiors in Kiev, where about my statement saying that the Majlis takes a provocative attitude, actions are aimed to spoil fraternal relations between the two countries. That is, we are provocateurs, because we want to withdraw the Black Sea Fleet.

Summing up, I want to say that there have been indications that this can happen, though not fully believe it. Moreover, that the head of state for a few months before, when he was asked the question, that, well, there is talk that the Russian claim to Crimea, how do you assess, it clearly states that this is nonsense, it’s nonsense, it provocation, we respect the state border of Ukraine, is coming up with different provocateurs. And suddenly this development. Arguments to justify this policy and the introduction of its troops on our territory, of course, does not stand up to scrutiny. The claims that if the Ukraine to establish a fascist regime, Bandera, that there almost chase through the streets and kill everyone who is not a fascist – it was such wildness directly posed on its head.

 with full responsibility that in all the years of Ukraine’s independence is now just after Independence and Revolution, established in all branches of government, the executive and the Cabinet of Ministers, the Verkhovna Rada most that eat the most democratic system of governance.

Please note though that we have parliamentary speaker with a typical Ukrainian surname Groisman, Interior Minister Avakian. There generally are not interested in the nationality of the one prescribed.

Such wild fancies as if created a threat to the Russian-speaking population in the regions, especially in the depths of Russia, who did not know that we have going on, it may be held.

Mikhail Sokolov: Still grouping Aksenov, what is it? You come across these people? They got 3 or 5% in the last election and now they are the real power.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Since 2009, they could not be heard on the political horizon, but in 2009 they created a group called “Russian unity”, this populist theme that Russian should unite to defend their rights. Pro-Russian rhetoric has been a lot of that is historical, but frankly, it is necessary to separate the Crimea from Ukraine and Russia attach to such slogans they had, but was clearly pro-Russian. We knew that he was very powerfully supported by a neighboring state, and not very successful, because it is a serious election votes are not typed. At the same time, it was known that this Aksenov named “Goblin” has managed to place in different power structures, primarily in the prosecutor’s office, his men, who defended them when they came across a not very nice things. But still, of course, governed from the Kremlin, Moscow, itself the Goblin could not do anything until you go to some order. All revolutions, it is no secret, it is not carried out “Russian unity”, and specific powers which belong to the Russian military.

Mikhail Sokolov: If we talk about the events of the beginning of the winter and spring, say, February, was there a real opportunity to confront once this coup, say, the same Crimean Tatars, who took to the streets, and then somehow disappeared from the streets?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I can say that for 100% could resist, if not for the intervention of the neighboring country. Because seized Parliament, the Council of Ministers of autonomy is not Russian bloc and the so-called “little green men” – a cadre people trained terrorists with all equipment. Therefore, it was not, someone who will overcome on the Crimean peninsula, there is dictated by external forces.

Mikhail Sokolov: It was not here for your mistakes? Demonstrations, in my opinion, continued for three days, then somehow were discontinued. If the demonstrations continued, maybe Putin does not want to take the risk?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Completely eliminate what you said, it is also impossible, this view has a right to exist. But as the events unfolded. What this rally going? To Parliament adopted the decision that they were motivated by the Kremlin, to accede to Russia. Accordingly, the Crimean Tatars were against. Failed. This is the 26th confrontation, they collected three or four thousand of his supporters brought up by buses from all edges, including Sevastopol. Crimean Tatars, there were three or four times more pushed.

The very next day the room occupied by terrorists. These terrorists have a pass allowed deputies at the entrance to the Parliament have seized mobile phones, in front of each stand when put to the vote, keep track of who like to vote, and like they scored either 56, or 57 votes, but there were only 46 votes, according to some reports. However, they declared that the deputies voted to join Russia. Even if it was 90%, still it is illegitimate.

What kind of parliament where the barrel behind you indicate how to vote. There are people, of course, can be and have been inclined to vote for certain decisions, but they are likely to vote when they will be paid, but not when forced to. There simply forced. Already carried out any actions aimed at the liberation of the occupied territories, it was obvious bloodshed. Also in Kiev, we were asked not to go, not to provoke, not to allow that Putin was a reason for the introduction of troops. There even was talk that preparing provocations that have had to find two or three dead Russian soldiers, of course, killed the Crimean Tatars, then start a campaign against the Crimean Tatars. We are seriously afraid of this and warned the press that there are our sources of information. They are the soldiers did not kill. Crimean Tatars,

Mikhail Sokolov: You can specify: Kiev – who is this? These people have families, and so on?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Then was the speaker of the Verkhovna Rada of Turchynov, Prime Minister Yatsenyuk. I’m not going to blame them, their order can be correctly and completely wrong. That’s right, if there really ready for something bloody, and they acted very humanely, saying he did not go out and do not lose their lives. And if this confidence was not simply give in to terrorists, to leave them unpunished, moreover, had the opportunity to neutralize them and do not do – is, of course, raises a number of questions as to why it was not done.

Mikhail Sokolov: I understand that at this stage the victims were just among the Crimean Tatars, a man was killed there. It was possible to find out what happened and who’s to blame him?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: It is not these days, later it was. March 3 area came Crimean Tatar, Ukrainian flag wrapped, said he was against the occupation, it was then in front of all the people was pushed into a car and drove away. Then a week later his body was found with signs of violence, tied with adhesive tape, to the naked eye it was clear that killed stabbed in the eye. The fact that this operation vykradyvaniyu human and murder carried out so-called “self-defense”, where all the thugs in the Crimea, we had no doubt. The fact that the FSB and then say that they can not identify, can not be established – is babbling. If YouTube can recognize who pushes him, the experts have been even more so. This concerns not only the first but also the subsequent vykradyvany people.

Mikhail Sokolov: We stayed on repression. The repression against the Crimean Tatars from the people who occupied the Crimea, they almost immediately started after the occupation?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: We have accurate information that the Russian political establishment had a dual attitude to the developments in Crimea and, in particular, in relation to the Crimean Tatars. Part of the establishment came from the fact that the Crimean Tatars have to agree, especially with Parliament, because the vast majority of Crimean Tatars are guided by the Majlis. This explains the invitation to Moscow for talks, the arrival of numerous delegations from Russia, Tatarstan, Bashkortostan, to negotiate with the Majlis of the Crimean Tatar people.

Mikhail Sokolov: We can remember how there was this type of negotiation process that they are offered to you?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: From the outset, they had prepared, and even adopted a draft resolution of the Verkhovna Rada of the Autonomous Republic, where Crimean Tatars 23% of guaranteed representation in all structures of power in all branches of government, including in parliament. That is allocated a quota under this quota choose themselves Crimean Tatars. The functioning of the Crimean Tatar language as one of the official on the territory of Crimea. Thirdly, the return of the Crimean Tatars, who were forced to lie outside of the Crimea. It was assumed that the measures will be taken public, including financial ones, in order to facilitate their return to the territory of Crimea. What will be restored historical place names of the Crimea – it is more than 1,200 settlements, which at one time after the deportation of the Crimean Tatars were Russified: Tank, Armored,

And most significant is that these people, who came to power and brought them, the “Goblin”, I mean Aksenov, who poison breathed in the Majlis, always stated that it is an illegal structure, so-and-so, all of a sudden in this decision stated that they will be officially recognized, the Crimean Tatar Kurultai and Majlis. That is, there was such a direct calculation that the Crimean Tatars to celebrate, to cling to these opportunities and say how happy they are to be in the Russian Federation. But this is not passed.

The upper hand in policy toward the Crimean Tatars began to occupy the “hawks”, who initially said that the Tatars Crimean impossible to negotiate, especially with Parliament, so you need to act only traditional exhaust not only in Soviet Russia, but also in pre-revolutionary methods separation of the Crimean Tatars into good and bad, the repression that, in fact, done.

Mikhail Sokolov: What kind of repression took place today?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Mass no arrests have massive searches under the pretext that they allegedly looking for weapons, in some cases, they say the drugs, although it seems absurd, with no data, they say, Behold, we are looking for drugs. Weapons, drugs, and the third, the most vulnerable – is the search for banned books. They made a list of forbidden books of more than 2600 titles, but this is an incomplete list.

We first talked about 40 searches the Crimean Tatars in their homes, mosques, schools, and they turned out to be much larger. Some houses were searched and immediately threatened that if someone knows about it, then let him think about the children. Closed searches were carried out mainly by so-called “self-defense”. They were taken during the search, not only as a traditional FSB conducts searches, seized computers, materials, they still grab that will attract them.

Mikhail Sokolov: “self-defense” forces – what is this? It’s illegal armed formation of Russian legislation?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Illegal, but they wanted to legalize, prepared a draft resolution, it is volunteers who are patriotic reasons.

Mikhail Sokolov: Type the terrorists?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: The guards did not have guns, and they – and their body armor and equipment, machines, all they have.

Mikhail Sokolov: So it’s actually a gang. What quantity of these gangs?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Hard to say, a few hundred. To my mind. May 3, when I do not miss, Aksenov issued the call to gather all the members of groups “self-defense”, wherever they were, they say, is about to start a war with the Crimean Tatars.

Mikhail Sokolov: On May 3. As I understand it, when you did not miss, people have been trying somehow to express his opinion, the demonstration carried out now, as I understand it, are repression, searches and arrests?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: yesterday reported that the arrested four people accused in the case that he had illegally crossed the state border between the Crimea and Ukraine, from the point of view of international law is absurd, at 100%, you can be sure that the European Court of Human Rights is do not recognize.

They formed the gang mainly of so-called Cossacks, former gebistov who were werewolves, who served in the Security Service of Ukraine, but among them there are those who have never been in the Crimea, so to speak softer.

They basically do the dirty work, they are not an independent force. I am absolutely certain that if the central Russian government was interested in the fact that they were not idle, then so be it was. We have the impression that this was done deliberately in order to intimidate people, to force ourselves to leave the territory of Crimea.

Mikhail Sokolov: The case of the third, as I understand it, is used in the same spirit as the “swamp thing” in Russia, to intimidate people. Are there any prospects that it can grow?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: expanding, looking to what extent. If it’s a bloody showdown, the Majlis will make every effort, that it was not, because it would mean the death of our people.

Mikhail Sokolov: If even a few dozen people arrested?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: There are different options. They came to me people who said that we are also able to easily steal them. I said that we can not go on this way, we are not terrorists, we are not going to steal one. That is, I come to a standstill, it is difficult to answer unequivocally. When your rights are harshly suppressed, bullied, whether it is necessary to respond with violence? It seems to be logical, to your land came the soldiers of another country, dictates the rules, he put on you bastards, that humiliate your dignity. Exit what? Well, war, shot one, two, three, they are the same in a few hours, especially now, when the trap snapped shut, no were not allowed there, without any witnesses, can do anything you want, and then press to declare that the Crimean Tatars fought among themselves, the different clans killed themselves.

Mikhail Sokolov: So you are for non-violent resistance?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I would not say in the absolute non-violent. We have on this subject often appeared that there is no alternative. If the armed forces should adhere to the principle of nonviolence, why do they need, what machines, which should never shoot? In the military department has its own standard of behavior should have been, it may be there, but it was not observed. According to various estimates, there were about 14,000 armed forces on the territory of Crimea. Conditions in order to participate in the war, not what win any concessions to get their rights – it was unreal.

Mikhail Sokolov: We often hear that Ukraine has made a mistake, if it had at least a minimal resistance in the Crimea, there would be no hike Strelkova in Donbass and other actions.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: we have a lot to discuss on this topic. Arguments such that, say, guided by humane considerations, not to dying people. Why then keep the army? Who wants to come, chop off, which you need to territory. For the military is not an argument, not to resist.

This is largely demoralized in some way, and those citizens who remained in the Crimea loyal to their state. They were amazed at how this is so, a weapon that is bought at the expense of the taxpayers, just as the aggressor. There are other reasons, it turns out, did not want to provoke, like people did not die.

Mikhail Sokolov: As a result, they do not die in the Crimea and the Donbas.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: And die in the Crimea.

Mikhail Sokolov: What is the current economic situation in the Crimea, according to your data? What is happening and what is going on with the same Crimean Tatars, still they are in the agricultural sector is largely involved?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: None agriculture or tourism, which was one of the main sources of income in the Crimea, now do not have to say, because who wants to relax in the occupied territory, besides not go any traffic reports, no planes, no boats.

Mikhail Sokolov: prices are rising?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: prices are rising, but the Russian government has raised some salaries and pensions, too. By many indicators that tell me this in some way compensates for the fact that prices have risen. Therefore, the money received would like a little more, but also have to spend more on the same products. This is one.

Secondly, the threat to agriculture. It’s no secret that more than 80% of water, including irrigation purpose water comes from the mainland. If you block the water, and she was partially blocked because something is destroyed, then the autonomous republic no other way to try to solve to get water from underground sources, and use this water to irrigate the land – it’s just a crime, causing great environmental damage . But with no other choice, they do it. They have caused great damage to the ecology of the Crimea is due to the fact that the drilled, fetched water to watered.

Mikhail Sokolov: Say, can we say that Crimea is an economic blockade on the part of Ukraine after the adoption of the law on the occupied territories?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: No there is no blockade. Even we have information that the time since the occupation of the Crimean port of call in 69 vehicles.

Mikhail Sokolov: It is almost a year?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: If we assume that in March-April to date. I say 69 because the number was exactly in the list of names of ships that call at ports of Crimea, Attorney General of illegal crossing of the territory, including entering our territorial waters.

Mikhail Sokolov: The ships do not come legally, agriculture in poor condition, and people than live?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Most jobs servicing the military complex. They launched a very large military preparations. Yesterday came from the Crimea, said that a huge amount of cement being taken, where used to be a nuclear repository, all signs want to restore it.

Across the road the Crimea build, is clearly not in order to make people comfortable, and for military purposes, especially in the northern parts. Openly say that military action will begin soon on the border between the Crimea and Kherson area. Due to this, in the main.

In this situation, the Crimean Tatars is very difficult. Because if you’re doing a job that serves the military, you have to give the oath of allegiance to Russia. Someone in desperation goes for it. At this very well speculate Russian media, be sure to remove, will be shown on the Internet, how to swear allegiance to Russia.

Mikhail Sokolov: The bridge will be built in the Crimea, do you think? Something that will change fundamentally?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Regarding the construction of the bridge, at the time it was engaged and Hitler did not succeed. Maybe if I exert some effort. But this bridge is illegal because it has to be agreed with the Ukrainian government.

Mikhail Sokolov: What do you propose to do now Crimean Tatars, you – the leader of the Majlis, you are on the territory of Ukraine, you home is not allowed, and what do the people who were left?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: It’s hard sitting in Kiev, give instructions, from our point of view, the most correct. People there are very hard. Of course, we’d love to have one of the Crimean Tatars did not take Russian citizenship, so they boycotted. But this is impossible, impossible. Would that they are empty of peace, but the resistance of rallies, demonstrations.

It also let to mass arrests, top kills. Therefore, we stick to the traditional way – non-violent resistance, defending their dignity. This is not entirely successful, because there is such a massive pressure, such as never was under Soviet rule.

Mikhail Sokolov: There collaborators?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: A Frenchman once said: if some people do not drug addicts, prostitutes, traitors, what kind of a nation? Of course, there will probably be. The main thing is that their number was not some sort of critical mass.

I can say that with this case from the Russian occupation authorities is very great difficulties. Yes, they recruit someone, put on some positions, while at the same time do spit, they say that there is nobody behind them, their people despise, arms not served. Keep what you have. Of course there will, probably.

Mikhail Sokolov: Do you regret that in Tatarstan President Putin failed to agree somehow or the other way around, which is not declared him a tougher stance?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I without offense, but said its tough stance. When Putin said that to solve all the problems of the Crimean Tatars, I did not refuse this aid, of course, Russia is responsible for the situation in which we find ourselves. We were a part of Russia, when we were deported. Be so kind as to solve issues following the withdrawal of your troops from our territory. Decide at the negotiating table with our guidance. And to ensure that these negotiations take place, again, you need to withdraw its troops. Putin, too, thought that if the mountain to promise things, the more given that the Crimean Tatars and the Ukrainian authorities were in the same position, for some reason they hoped that we easily persuaded. Since this did not happen, they are focused on their traditional methods – repression, attempts to split and so on.

Mikhail Sokolov: What will you do in the Verkhovna Rada is now, in the new structure?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I have always said and say that alone solve the problem of the Crimean Tatars without reference to the problems of the whole of Ukraine is impossible. Of course, we will strive to a sharp improvement in the economic situation in Ukraine, strengthening defense capabilities. Because that’s exactly what if our defenses were not in such a catastrophic situation, as in recent years our President Yanukovych, Putin would hardly have brought their troops.

Of course, we will work a lot at the international level, because the Western countries should fulfill their commitments. Even it’s not that they were concerned about Ukrainians and Crimean Tatars, everyone has their own interests. Because if you close your eyes to this international robbery in the XXI century – is the way to a very large disaster.

Mikhail Sokolov: “Our country is in danger tanks in a strange land” – these words said to the invasion of Czechoslovakia by Russian poet Alexander Galich. Today, the Russians have the right to repeat these words.

Today, the Russian tanks again in a strange land, people today again imprisoned, because they are fighting for freedom. It is a threat to all of us. For our freedom and yours!

Sourse, 02/12/2014

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Crimean Tatars: the nation’s tragedy

April 28, 2016

Ban the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people has strongly condemned the US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland. Speaking April 27 during his visit to Kiev, she stressed that this outrageous decision violates the democratic rights of the entire “historical community.”

The EU called the ban the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people, a serious attack on the rights of the Crimean Tatars and evidence of further deterioration of the human rights situation in Russia annexed Crimea. This is stated in the statement of the European External Action Service.

“It is necessary without delay to ensure full compliance with international standards of human rights and other obligations under international law, in particular, in this case in relation to the Crimean Tatars community”, – the statement says.

April 26 Russian-controlled Crimea Supreme Court acknowledged Majlis extremist organization and banned its activities on Russian territory. Thus I was satisfied the claim of the Crimean prosecutor Natalia Poklonsky, which accused the Majlis in the anti-Russian activities.

Tragic history and current problems of the Crimean Tatar people to discuss politics Mustafa Dzhemilev (Kyiv), the political analyst Valery Khomyakov , the journalist Eider Muzhdabaev (Kiev).

Moderator – Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior .

Vladimir Kara-Murza, Sr.: The EU called the ban the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people, a serious attack on the rights of the Crimean Tatars and evidence of further deterioration of the human rights situation in Russia annexed Crimea.

On Tuesday, the Russian-controlled Crimea Supreme Court recognized the Majlis extremist organization and banned its activities on Russian territory. Thus, the request Natalia Poklonsky, Crimean prosecutor was satisfied that the Majlis has accused of anti-Russian activities.

Tragic history and current problems of the Crimean Tatars, we will discuss with our guest – political analyst Valeriem Homyakovym.

Valery, whether offensive to all the people the motivation to deport him because they collaborated with the German occupiers?

Valery Khomyakov:This is an old story. Of course, in every nation, including in Russian, in the war years were, to put it mildly, the traitors, collaborators. They were also among the Chechen people, and among the Crimean Tatars. But because of this, should not suffer the nations as a whole. And here we are seeing a massive attempt to present the enemy all the Crimean Tatar people – as well as others, in particular Kalmyks … I lived as a child in the Altai region, and I had a friend – Kalmyk, who was with his family to get evicted. This happened a long time ago. And when allowed, they returned to Kalmykia. Here the story is more tragic because the Crimean Tatars were able to return to the Crimea alone, in my opinion, in the late ’80s, under Gorbachev, if I do not get them mixed up. Of course, it is an insult. To them in everyday life looked upon as some traitors, fascist hirelings. All this affects the relationship of the Crimean Tatars in the circles in which they lived. This Stalinist attempt to present the people as their enemies of the fatherland, of course, terrible.

Unfortunately, what we are seeing is, in part looks like this, including the recent decision of which you have said. Although it was preceded by a lengthy process. It is not easy to feed Mrs. Poklonsky all it appeared. After the Crimea was annexed to the Russian Federation, as far as I know, we were set up parallel to the Crimean Tatar structure. They created three for two years, – sworn allegiance to Moscow to agree with everything. And creates an illusion: think of it, the Majlis – the body established at the time the Kurultai, and in fact all Crimean Tatars rallied around the governor of the Kremlin in the Crimea – Mr. Aksenov.

На мой взгляд, дело обстоит не так. Подобного рода вещи практиковались, практикуются и будут практиковаться. Что, на мой взгляд, не приводит к тем результатам, которые замышляли их инициаторы. Расколоть крымский народ не удастся. Были отдельные люди, которые в годы войны сотрудничали с немецкими оккупантами, и сейчас есть нечто подобное. Но в целом крымский народ, как мне кажется, един в своем желании сохранить свою самобытность, свои обычаи. Он един в желании не подвергаться давлению из Москвы, из Киева или еще откуда-то. Это закаленные люди. В генах этих людей – стремление сохранить свое достоинство. А сейчас мы видим попытки растоптать это достоинство – попытки крайне неуклюжие, о чем достаточно справедливо заметил Евросоюз.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: We connected Mustafa Dzhemilev, the former Soviet political prisoner, leader of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people, MP of the Verkhovna Rada.

Mustafa, held true whether the rehabilitation of the Crimean Tatars after Stalin’s deportation?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: No Ukraine deported Crimean Tatars and the Soviet Union. Therefore, it was the adoption of the law on the restoration of political and social rights of the Crimean Tatar people. The Ukrainian parliament has been quite a lot of forces that resist it – pro-Russian forces, the Communists. It was not possible. But after the occupation, somewhere this law was passed in the 20 days of March. There clearly is called deportation as a crime against humanity, and adopted a series of measures aimed at restoring. But time has been lost. This law should have been taken long ago.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: And who of Russian dissidents and human rights activists fought along with you for the restoration of the rights of your people? Everyone remembers the fate of General Grigorenko. What was this man?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Our national movement was democratic, so it attracted the sympathy of many human rights defenders, enlightened people. Among the Russian intelligentsia, one of the first who spoke out in defense of the rights of the Crimean Tatar people was writer Aleksey Kosterin. He drew attention to this problem General Pyotr Grigorenko. By the time he was a political prisoner. And somewhere in the 66-year, in my opinion, he is actively involved in our national movement. You could say he was one of the authorities. In those days in the homes of the Crimean Tatars could often be seen portraits are not only veterans of the national movement, but Petra Grigorenko. Indeed, it was a very brave man who did everything in his power. He has made an invaluable contribution to our national movement, and primarily in the promotion,

And it must be said about Sakharov, who was connected to the issue later, but he was also very effective in its activities in support of our national movement.

If we follow the trials of the national movement activists, among them there were a lot of Russian, Ukrainian, Baltic defenders who in one way or another in contact with the national movement of the Crimean Tatars, and expressed to him the solidarity support. And you’re right: Pyotr Grigorenko – it is the brightest figure in our national movement.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: recently filmed a feature film about the tragedy of your people. But it is still not allowed on the Russian screen. Remind them that it is for the film, and why he has such a hard fate rolling.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: This is the first and only feature film on the subject. Our entrepreneur to finance it. It is called “Haytarma”. Haytarma – is a dance, but then “Haytarma” – a return to his homeland. The film speaks of deportation. According to some estimates, something softened. A pro-Russian people say it shows too cruel. From our point of view, the film turned out to be very successful.

And Russia is reviving the Stalinist regime, at least – in the occupied Crimea. And any films, books exposing the Soviet government policies perceived as an insult to the Russian people and the Russian Federation.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Valery, after the deportation of only two people not been restored statehood – a Volga Germans and Crimean Tatars. Why Khrushchev was afraid to return to their statehood?

Valery Khomyakov: Hard to say, because of what is happening. There are many cities in the Saratov region, where the Volga Germans lived before the war was a republic of the Volga Germans. Apparently, the Soviet Union then leaders feared would create a kind of enclave that is because of their dissatisfaction with the fact that they were driven at the time from their homes, to create a structure that can be “total maverick.”

Chechens and Kalmyks returned to their land, gained statehood, at least, that they now have in the form of republics within the Russian Federation. But the Crimean Tatars and Volga Germans fate was more tragic. Many Germans have left their historical homeland, because the law of the Federal Republic of Germany, ethnic German is actually considered to be a citizen of the Federal Republic of Germany. A Crimean Tatars go particularly nowhere. Someone went to a variety of reasons, but mostly they are somehow tied to the land where they were born. Crimea for the Crimean Tatars – this is the Promised Land, they were born there, and much earlier, than there came the Russian troops. This distinguishes the fate of the Volga Germans from the fate of the Crimean Tatars, which, unfortunately, is not so happy as we would like.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Let’s listen to a journalist Eider Muzhdabaeva, deputy director general of the Crimean Tatar TV channel the ATR, which believes that the ban Majlis almost impossible.

Eider Muzhdabaev: prohibitions against the Majlis – a symbolic act, since it is impossible to ban the Mejlis, because he was never officially registered. This Crimean Tatar self-government, which is almost 30 years old. Therefore, the ban in formal terms is negligible.

And with the actual point of view, this means not ban the Mejlis, and the fact that they facilitate the process itself of repression against the Crimean Tatars. That is no longer necessary to prove fictitious guilt – some phony terrorism, which they can not nobody “sew” in the Crimea for two years looking for weapons and explosives in their homes, but nothing, of course, can not be found. Will not need to ascribe any other illegal actions – mass disorders, which are trying to concoct criminal cases, the reason for that, too, of course, was not. All this bogus charges. They are tired of this formality, as in his time Stalin NKVDshniki tired of the first trials. So they then came up with the “troika” and the people began to quickly judge and destroy the plant. The same purpose, there are in the decision. Accused of involvement in the Majlis of Crimean Tatar can be any. Now, any book with a portrait of Cemil will be the basis for the Russian court. Gates for mass repressions opened.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Mustafa, remind, please, what was the statutory objectives of the Mejlis, speaking bureaucratic language? For which he was created?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: It is the representative body of the Crimean Tatar people, which defends the rights of the Crimean Tatars in local government, that is to promote and co-operation with the authorities to solve our problems, as well as to represent Crimean Tatars at the international level. Before ’91, when it was created our first Kurultai and Majlis elected, we can say that a full representative of the Crimean Tatar people was the National Movement of Crimean Tatars. A 89-year – The organization of the Crimean Tatar national movement.

And in the run-up of the Soviet Union, when there was a “restructuring”, it was possible to hold elections – though not quite openly, but, nevertheless, there was such an opportunity – decided to establish a representative body of the Crimean Tatars, who is elected directly by the people, regardless whether it is involved in the national movement or not. And here on the principle of “one delegate to the national convention of thousands of people” across the Soviet Union, where Crimean Tatars lived, held elections of delegates. So, these delegates were chosen at the national congress of 250 people. He was called the Second National Congress, because the First National Congress was in the 17th year of its shot by the Bolsheviks. And the National Congress elected by ballot 33 human members of the Majlis for five years – is the executive body of the Kurultai of the Crimean Tatar people. But this is the tip of the iceberg.

Then came the elections of local and regional Mejlis in all the places of residence of the Crimean Tatars. Thus, the last elections were in 2012, at the time of the occupation of the Crimea were about 230 local and regional majlis, which involved a total of 2 000 300 people. Therefore, when we speak of the prohibition of the Majlis – is not only a ban on 33 persons, but also the entire system of the national government of the Crimean Tatar people. That is only 2 thousand 300 local and regional members of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people, the Kurultai delegates in total – somewhere in the 2.5 thousand people. In accordance with the logic of the Russian law they are called extremists. And the one who helps or elect these “extremists” – is also a kind of “extremists.” And it turns out that almost all Crimean Tatar people can be called “

So now, maybe not immediately, but it offers scope for large-scale repression against the whole of the Crimean Tatar people.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Eider Muzhdabaev believes that the international community is powerless to help the Crimean Tatars.

Eider Muzhdabaev: The international community can not do anything other than allegations. In general, none of the Crimean Tatars is not acting, except a tiny group of conscientious people in Russia. It will, of course, to the massive repression against the Crimean Tatars. And most importantly – to the atmosphere of total fear. Already, people are on the phone talking very cautiously, afraid to say an extra word. I know the atmosphere among the Crimean Tatars – it is terrible, this atmosphere of insecurity, injustice, in the 30s.

They should completely suppress the Crimean Tatar people, to destroy it as an entity, leave it only as a screen, to in some celebrations people trained tray pasties and kissed portraits of Putin. They also understand that the Crimean Tatars will never put up with this, will never recognize the results of the illegal conduct and fraudulent, shameful referendum in which 97 percent of the allegedly favored the Crimea joining Russia. Of course, this is complete nonsense. Crimean Tatars in general on this referendum did not go. And these results could not be. But the Crimean Tatars – is the main piece of evidence in the case of the illegal annexation of Crimea. And this evidence, of course, must be destroyed. To be neither heard nor seen the Crimean Tatars to all feared. Now they will threaten, so people who can not live in this atmosphere will leave.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: And it likely that in this way almost all the people outlawed?

Valery Khomyakov:It turns out so. At least that is what we are now seeing, and events that do not bring the Lord, will be developed in this way. Crimean Tatar – now more than banderovets from Western Ukraine. And their stooges sitting in the Crimea. That will be, I think, the supply of our “great” promoters, which are now the subject of the Crimean Tatar people can grasp and apply them as “corrupt hirelings Ukrainian, Kiev junta West, the State Department and all the rest.” We have seen this in other examples. And unfortunately, nothing good about it for ordinary citizens of Russia. Because once it ends. And the desire of the machine, which consumes (or trying to eat) all dissent and all those people who believe that we shall make a great stupidity on the Crimea – on this machine will devour the people already in Moscow, as it is done.

But I ask another question: what does it do its proponents? Well, all the people in prison will not plant, in which Stalin was convinced: tried – failed. Hitler tried to do – also failed. Someone thinks that Putin will succeed? No, it will not work. Sooner or later, this story will end, and the reputation of our country in view of the fact that leadership behaves … I do not think this is the Kremlin’s decision. I think it has matured into a beautiful head of Mrs. Poklonsky, which has, in my opinion, even the generals began. Its rapid political rise, it is now almost the most popular man in Russia. I would place Mr Chaika bother for the armchair. With such prospects it can safely move to the Big Dmitrovka, where the Prosecutor General’s Office. Well, you can not go on about the ambitions, let the pretty and young ladies in the form of public prosecutor. The damage is much higher.

Do not you put down the Crimean Tatar people, for all your wish. I repeat, it is in the genes of these people – resistance. Stalin raised their lives, and some post-Soviet. I remember when it all started. Then Crimea Yuriy Meshkov was president, and Sergei Tsekov, in my opinion, was the chairman of the Supreme Council.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: A Prime Minister was, in my opinion, an economist Yevgeny Saburov.

Valery Khomyakov: I remember those times, since then has been one of the leaders of the “Democratic Party of Russia.” Many have tried to meet with Nikolai Travkin, then leader, and he sent them to me, “Yuri Meshkov come talk to him.” I say, “Who is this?” – “President of the Crimea.” I do not remember, I met with him or not, A S Tsekovym exactly met. And then he drew me a terrible picture that returned Crimean Tatars, trying to seize the land. But they are not trying to take away, they just want to go back to where they were illegally rounded up in due time. By the way, it is, I believe, was, perhaps, one of those people with whom he started. And then I went to the then Supreme Council and, apparently, tried to cry out: “Help us now! We are the Crimean Tatars to places sleeves protect us.!”

This myth in the early ’90s seriously affected some of our politicians. Maybe even some Boris Yeltsin, who could call Mr. Kravchuk and say, “You there is not very much .. Help, and we are now you’ll have such autonomy in the Crimea!” There are a bunch of contradictions and partly inexperience then Russian authorities. Maybe you can forgive her for what was then the Russian Federation was not to the Crimea. But if you rewind the tape back, probably could find a common language with the then leadership of the Crimea, which is a short time, thank God, sat, and find some digestible formula to Crimean Tatars received their national autonomy on the Crimean peninsula. Do not go for it. As a result, the disease persists, it is not resolved.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: And what progress has been made during the democratization? I know that it was possible to create a number of schools in the Crimean Tatar language, a little restore land rights. How did you begin this process, which seems to go positive?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I would like to say about the fact that the idea of the ban could not be born with Putin, and the head of Madame Poklonsky. This is absolutely wrong. Madame Poklonskaya, the stories of many – is the girl with the intellect Vosmiklassnica. Actually, it is possible to trace how it is sometimes speaks without notes. Immediately we can understand with whom we are dealing. It will not make a step without having to not get instructions from Moscow. The main force in the occupied Crimea – is the FSB. There’s enough clicks, or pointers – and she will run to where she will say. Therefore overestimate the role of Madame hardly worth it.

And one wonders: why do such nonsense? In particular, the Russian leadership is not only banned the Majlis. If we proceed from the interests of the Russian Federation, then do come to the Crimea was a great folly, like the rest of the war with Ukraine. This damage, in my opinion, no one would be able to inflict. And now, in the West say straight out that it was not yet the head of the country, which would bring so much harm to the state in the history of Russia.

And to answer your question. We all went very hard and was not easy in Ukraine. Not because Ukraine as a whole does not want to solve our problems, just we had very different political forces … Here a conglomerate. We have all the time in the election supported the democratic forces. A democratic forces almost never been in power, except for a few short periods. The main power on the territory of the autonomy was in the Russian-speaking hands of pro-Russian majority. Now it is the majority of the occupants waited on. We had a very large land problems. Crimean Tatars, despite the fact that they were somewhere in the 14 percent of the population of the peninsula, in the structures of power, depending on what that structure – takes from zero to 2.5-3 percent. That is discrimination in their homeland – in 4-5 times. For example, in the Security Service, which was 2 thousand 300 workers – was not one of the Crimean Tatars. The prosecutor’s office – a few tenths of a percent. Not a single judge. That is, such a structure.

Nevertheless, Ukraine – a democratic state, and it was possible to somehow defend their rights. With great difficulty we gradually defend them. 14 percent of Crimean Tatars with great difficulty in the native language to open 14 schools, and ethnic Ukrainians are not so organized, and although they made up 23-25 ​​percent of the population of the peninsula – they have 7 schools. It all depended on how active we were. We helped our organization. And the land problems. Poklonskaya now saying: “Over the years, the Majlis has not solved the problems of land of the Crimean Tatars.” Allow me, as if in the Majlis had some opportunity to give orders and to allocate land! Majlis only organized protests demanding the allocation of land. And thank God, at least something we wanted. But it was still in the hands of the authorities,

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Eider Muzhdabaev noted that the mood of depressed people in the Crimea.

Eider Muzhdabaev: In this situation, the Crimean Tatars were probably only at the time of deportation, when any soldier could poke their butt, shoot at anyone, and so on. You can not even be an activist – it does not matter. You can not like a neighbor, a colleague, your store may not like competitor – all have nothing. You – Crimean Tatar, and that’s enough to you to write a denunciation.

Even in this regard, there is a social problem. The fact that there will be processes that we are well familiar with Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union under Stalin, when from people who may fall under the repression will be shy, like lepers. And as for all the Crimea it is obvious that all Crimean Tatars may potentially become victims of repression, with the Crimean Tatars will be less talk; they will speak to their children not to go to visit them, will be a little talk, be treated like a leper. Because you communicate today with Crimean Tatar, and tomorrow he will be a “terrorist”.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: In Bulgaria and in some republics of Yugoslavia was a special process slavyanizatsii. All Turkic names changed to Slavic to somehow dilute the nationality, the memory of the Turkish rule. Can the Kremlin to organize something like this and against the Crimean Tatars?

Valery Khomyakov:In our country, it is difficult something is to believe. You never know what will come to mind to some minister. To prove his loyalty, he can come up with anything. I would not want to come to this. And so the cones stuffed himself, many in Europe and elsewhere twist finger to his temple, when they look at the policy of our state. I hope, to this still will not come, but attempts can be. Do zealous officials who want to make a political career, no less “shiny” than Madame Poklonsky that nobody knew two years ago, and now she was almost to the State Duma met, even without primaries. I think maybe it would be nice … his political career in the State Duma few people did. I saw Aleksandr Ivanovich Lebed walked, when he became a State Duma deputy, he was not interesting to anyone. And Mrs. Poklonskaya. Maybe there will be more tolerant person, but this is not our problem.

As for the possibilities and attempts russify this part of the Crimean Tatars, who for various reasons, have begun to cooperate with the authorities … I remind you that there is one Crimean Tatar, in my opinion, the vice-premier in the government of Crimea. Well, people went to work – but for God’s sake! But if you work it, work for the benefit, including the Crimean Tatar people. What he likes this kind of action? On the prohibition of the Mejlis, he probably could have done a little more demonstrative step and get away from the Crimean management. Looks like guts.

I still see this blatant stupidity attempt to split the Crimean Tatars into several pieces. And we, ordinary citizens, through the famous canals and show in certain programs that they’re all here for Putin for the Kremlin, for its multi-ethnic, peaceful policy as they used to say. And that there is some fringe represented by the Mejlis, Mr. Cemil, Chubarov and other people who are not already in the Crimea, unfortunately, they were forced to leave – were driven from their homes of people … To this we must be prepared in including the heads of the Mejlis. A organization, I think you can always come up with a different form. Especially Muzhdabaev quite correctly noted – is not in the Ministry of Justice of the registration of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people. There is no such organization. How can you deny what is not ?! So, people can come up with some form of so

Поэтому тут приходится, видимо, достаточно непросто жителям Крыма, которые считают себя крымскими татарами. Мы это видели по другим тенденциям, которые очень четко просматриваются в нашей внутренней политике. Но я не понимаю руководство России. Им-то это зачем? Что, мало шишек вы набили? Вы хотите поссориться с исламским миром окончательно и бесповоротно? Тут бед натворили, а потом надо бежать в Саудовскую Аравию: “Ребята, давайте сократим объем нефти”. Вы чего-нибудь одно выбирайте, в конце концов. Сколько можно эту глупость смотреть?! Я давно живу на белом свете, видел всяких руководителей, и глупости у них тоже были. Но были какие-то рациональные зерна в поведении. А здесь я не вижу рациональности. Одна иррациональность, одни эмоции, одно желание угодить верховному царю. А дальше что? Хоть бы на шаг вперед посмотрели, что дальше будет.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Even Stalin’s executioners had the good sense to leave one of the hero of the Crimean Tatar people – the pilot Amet-Khan Sultan. And then he died a mysterious death. And now almost all dealt with moral authority. After all, no one can go back to their homeland.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Stalin had not had the sense to leave Amet-Khan Sultan in Crimea. At that time he lived in Moscow. And in accordance with the law, since he twice Hero of the Soviet Union, he placed the bust and was told that he could live. But he said: “What should I do there?” And he is not moved to the Crimea.

And the prospect of Russification of the settlements of the Crimea. This has been done by Stalin. There russify nothing. All Russian already there. I think that in the near future Ukraine will pass a law on the restoration of the historical place names. Already in terms decommunisation somewhere in 67 settlements of the Crimea renamed. And on all maps of the world will be the names of those villages, which will be adopted by the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine. Because legally Crimea is part of the Ukrainian state.

And about the moral authorities. Russian practice was initially “buy” Majlis. This was caused by an invitation to me to Moscow. Somewhere in 35-40 minutes we were on the phone with Mr. Putin said on this subject. Mountain promises we happily alive in the Russian Federation. But when that did not work, when we said that first print its troops from our territory, but if you want to assist, then sit down at the negotiating table with our guide – even then, of course, the atmosphere changed. And the tactic was, of course, to evict people who, from their point of view can affect the mood of the people, to lead any protest movement. And indeed it is now Russia’s policy is to ensure that displace the Crimean Tatars, as it was during the time of the first occupation of the reign of Catherine II. Then, too, they were deported, robbed land. As a result, many Crimean Tatars left their lands and moved to the Ottoman Empire. Now in Turkey where some 10 times more of the Crimean Tatars, than in the Crimea. And now this policy continues.

There are facts of kidnapping and murder. We follow, whom they kidnapped and murdered. It is not only the activists of the national movement. People have the impression that no one is guaranteed. And not only the facts of murders are not investigated – it is used as a bargaining chip. For example, when questioned by some of the members of the Majlis, or an activist of the national movement in the current Crimea, if he keeps with dignity, say to him: “Are not you afraid to become a” ischeznoventsem “Or:” Are not you afraid that tomorrow your children may disappear? “the practice is that even when Stalin was not done Yes, under Stalin dissidents killed, shot, but to openly say.” Tomorrow your children will disappear, if you behave this way “- is rarely practiced now revived all. most gloomy, it was under the Soviet regime.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Journalist Eider Muzhdabaev struck by the indifference of the Russian society.

Eider Muzhdabaev: I am struck by the passivity of the Russian society, which is already itself is on the verge of total repression. I am struck by the indifference of the Russian public, including the so-called liberal. I have all these strikes and sad surprise. It seems to me, no lessons were not learned. And just as the liberal Germans calmly looked at the beginning of repression against the Jews when Jewish organizations were forbidden, when only was the first voice that “Jews do us harm, we let it close, ban”, many were silent. And many journalists are silent, many public figures were silent. Why this silence led – can not remember. I think that here the silence that creates Russia with the Crimean Tatars, I regard as a sign of agreement with this policy. This stunning cowardice, which can not be explained by anything,

Vladimir Kara-Murza, Sr.: The website of the Human Rights Council under the President Nikolai Svanidze just plucked up courage and asked about the disappearance of the Crimean Tatars. It has been 9 people by the time it was last fall. And no one else has raised this issue with the authorities, with the Kremlin.

Valery Khomyakov: Unfortunately, it is. So it turns out that either it is not interesting to anyone of those people, journalists and human rights, or they go about their business, and they do not care about the Crimean Tatars.

I thought that’s what connection with our theme. It seems to be calm Republic of Tatarstan in the national plan. Although in the early 90’s there all the seething, and no less than in Chechnya. And only thanks to the Shaimiev could somehow prevent the explosion. Until recently. But recently I heard the news on one of the radio channels: Vsetatarsky community center (quite nationalistic) long statement currently no resemblance, and then decided to give some object Russian name. And now starting to raise the question of what we need to give the name Tatar.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Station Kazan subway, they want to rename.

Valery Khomyakov:Maybe it’s not so bad, but the fact that such an attitude to the citizens or to those organizations who are Muslims who allegedly considered Russian territory, according to the Crimea, our government and the majority of society, may wittingly or unwittingly encourage nationalist currents in the republics where Islam dominates. I would very much like to be wrong, but I fear that such a danger can arise. It is this: “You insult our there, so then let’s call a subway station, but not so.” And nationalism – this thing is so, it arises out of nothing, from scratch, it would seem. And that seems to be now seems peaceful enough, whether in Tatarstan and other republics … Sometimes the spark is enough to blazed that we observe between Armenia and Azerbaijan, and God forbid, if I was right. But I think,

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Mustafa, I know that you do not recognize territorial changes that have occurred over the past two years. Who would you help to influence the situation? Maybe, the Moscow Helsinki Group? Or are you still be equal to the Ukrainian human rights activists?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: First, about Tatarstan. Tatarstan would like to put forward as a mediator. In the early days of the occupation, President of Tatarstan Minnikhanov obscene often came to the Crimea to persuade us that now we will be together with the Russian Federation. A power saw that there was no sense of that mediation, not even harm some … Because somehow become Tatar envoys from Tatarstan reason is not entirely wrong when he explained that this position is not acceptable to us, and them removed. And now there are visitors from Tatarstan virtually none. Basically right now visitors – it is the FSB.

Возникает вопрос: как защитить права крымских татар? Я об этом говорил и в Страсбурге, в Парламентской Ассамблее Совета Европы, в Совете Безопасности 18 марта. Защитить права крымских татар в оккупационном состоянии невозможно. Потому что в Российском государстве отсутствуют демократические свободы. И в оккупированных территориях они, конечно, не будут создавать какой-то демократический анклав. Поэтому единственный путь защиты наших прав – приложить все усилия для того, чтобы агрессор, оккупант покинул нашу территорию. Другого выхода я просто не вижу.

Of course, we are grateful to Kasyanov, who recently said that Crimea one way or another will be returned. And then I called from Moscow and said: “Why do you rely on this Kasyanov In the elections he gets no more than 7-8 percent of the vote?”. I say: “It’s great here is such propaganda, as if all the Russians – that!” Quilted jackets “Still 7-8 percent of normal people you have.”. And thank God, at least some have a layer that understands what’s what, guided by the interests of the people, and not some kind of chauvinistic ambitions. But, of course, sadly, that most glad that they have such a manual bandit that it snapped off part of the territory of another country. It’s very sad. It’s tragic and disastrous for Russia. This occupation, no one will ever admit. In Crimea, there is no prospect not only for the Crimean Tatar people, but also for the entire population. It will be subsidized, decaying region. Even Russian economists have estimated that every year include the Crimea, even in such a depressed state, as now, will cost the Russian budget in the $ 4-5 billion. Therefore, the only way – is the restoration of international law and the maintenance of invaders from our territory.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Can you recognize the jurisdiction of the Strasbourg Court of Human Rights and PACE? Or you do not want to admit that your rights are now being violated on the territory of Russia?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Of course, we treat and will appeal. There is a decision of the Strasbourg Court on specific issues. But Russia is not fulfilling them. It does not fulfill even its own legislation. For example, the prohibition of the Majlis. The accusation is made up of 650 pages – it’s mostly excerpts from my speeches, Chubarov and other members of the Majlis that we do not recognize the occupation, we demand the withdrawal of foreign troops from our territory. And for this reason they say that we are encroaching on the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation and the Russian Federation poses a threat to security. So, the process is not over, not yet read the so-called decision of the court, and the Ministry of Justice has introduced Majlis in its list of banned extremist organizations. Where is the logic here? And recently, it was decided that Russia can not implement the decisions of international courts, including the European Court of Human Rights if they are contrary to the interests of Russia. So what the hell you were then to the European Council ?! There was a duty that you will comply with the decisions of the European Council and the European Court. Well, there is no logic. And we recognize and will recognize the judgments of the European Court.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: Yes, the Constitutional Court did not accept to be able to vote to prisoners.

And how many of your like-minded people are now prisoners in Russian prisons?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: In total we have 13 members. There are three categories of prisoners. One category – it is for religious reasons. While there is nothing extremist they did not commit, they only found some literature, a Russian point of view – banned, extremist. The second group – those who met me May 3, 2014. It turns out that they illegally crossed the border. From the point of view of international law it is not a border. They moved from one part of Ukraine in the other. As a result, they have had clashes with riot police.

A third category, in which the sitting and the first deputy of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people Ahtem Chiygoz – this meeting February 26, 2014, before the so-called annexation, before the occupation, to the so-called referendum. The Crimean Tatars were against the attempts of the separatist forces in Crimea joining Russia. Here is the February 26 rally, they are regarded as unauthorized and illegal. And that, on 26 February we had to take permission to hold a rally? They act in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, and there did not have to take permission to hold rallies. Here on such absurd accusations is now Ahtemu Chiygozu faces from 15 and up to 20 years in prison. They believe that he organized a rally against annexation to Russia.

And most importantly – the situation of terror. In total, up to the end of last year was, in my opinion, more than 200 searches in homes, schools, mosques of the Crimean Tatars. 95-96 percent – it searches in the homes and in the schools of the Crimean Tatars.

Vladimir Kara-Murza, a senior: We expect that once again will be denied and the Day of memory of victims of deportation. Some hotheads think they can ban and Pushkin’s poem “The Fountain of Bakhchisarai” and mention of the Giray dynasty.

Sourse, 27/04/2016

In Crimea, the situation of fear prevails, the feeling of complete vulnerability to arbitrary

August 22, 2015

Mustafa Dzhemilev, the People’s Deputy of Ukraine, leader of the Crimean Tatar people for many is an example. The man who broke into the ordeal and did not buy generous promises. It is compulsory in their promises and consistent actions. Now, when the Crimea was in the Russian occupation, Mustafa-aga is making for the liberation of their motherland more effort than the Foreign Ministry and other government institutions of Ukraine, together.

Mustafa Dzhemilev in a conversation with “Internet” spoke about his international activities and relations with the Russian justice. He expressed his views on the law that declared annexed Crimea free economic zone and promised that if the corruption loophole is closed, he and his supporters would block the road to the Crimea, on which ride the wagon with food and other goods for the occupants.

– Mr. Cemil, now, when Crimea was annexed by the Russians, where your family lives?

– In Bakhchisarai. I live there my wife and son.

– How often do you see them and how to keep in touch?

– Not very often. Last time my wife and I traveled together in Ankara on Congress. She silent fears often leave the Crimea – the logic of the current Crimean authorities can not understand them at any time may not be allowed back. And there – family, friends, home, elderly mother. In addition, the exit of any national of Crimea is perceived very painfully and disapproval. Like, I invite all to suffer and not to leave the Crimea, while they themselves were taken away their relatives!

– Relatives in the Crimea received Russian passports?

– My wife – no, for it is fundamentally, and daughter also did not get, so it is fired from his job at the Tauride University. But the vast majority of Crimean residents still have to get these passports, because without them there to live virtually impossible – not to seek medical help, or get a job, or to issue the property nor any bureaucratic issues can not be solved without Russian documents.

– What has changed in their reviews are now living in the Crimea?

– Everything they say that in the Crimea is now reigns atmosphere of fear, a feeling of complete vulnerability to tyranny. Even on holidays, at weddings do not have the joy that was before. People are afraid to talk to each other. The social position of the people, with the exception of the military, police and government officials, also deteriorated significantly – reducing wages, reducing purchasing power, high cost, long queues in hospitals, etc. And angry, too, is strictly prohibited, it is only necessary to express joy over the “return” of the Crimea to Russia.

– Even among the Crimean Tatars are afraid to be frank?

– there was a lot of snitches. Yes, and listening devices around them stuffed.

– The Russian authorities are blackmailing you your son. What do they offer you?

– Once in August last year, one of the advisers of the Russian president was Kiev and said that Vladimir Vladimirovich wanted to talk back to me, I said that we can only meet in Kiev, because I was denied entry to Russia. I replied that if I would agree to a meeting, then, depending on what the results will be achieved on it, my son the next day will be at home, and I can safely travel to the Crimea. To this I said to him: “That is Vladimir Vladimirovich is holding my son hostage So he’s a terrorist You tell him that we do not conduct negotiations with terrorists?”.

After it went my statement to the press, he called me and complained that I was about the confidentiality clause told the media. And I say, “So you do not make me indecent proposals”. Now this advisor, apparently for something that does not cope with the task, it is very far distant from Putin.

– What fate awaits Now your son?

– He was sentenced to five years in prison for manslaughter. By all the laws, including the Russian, he should be handed over to Ukraine, because the event took place in the territory of Ukraine, and the victim, and my son, too, are the Ukrainian citizens. My son’s lawyer in court talking about the illegality and illegitimacy of such actions. There is also a decision of the European Court of Human Rights that he be extradited, but Russia is not considered with the verdict and did not even respond to our Ministry of Foreign Affairs requests.

My wife also gave readings there. The court, by the way, took place in Krasnodar, Krasnodar, and in addition the prosecutor at the trial was attended by 2 Prosecutor of Crimea. They also asked some questions that my wife said, “I’m on the question of traitors who have violated the oath of his country, do not answer.”

But the jury – it is, in my opinion, one of those units that the Putin regime is not able to control. Both my wife and daughter said that by the jury to him felt some sympathy. When everything came out of the courtroom, one of the women, the jury wished them: “May God give you good luck!”

– Mustafa-aga, what, in your opinion, Ukraine should pursue a policy in relation to the occupied Crimea? And how do you assess the Law “On free economic zones”, according to which Crimea declared a territory?

– On the topic of the law, I have repeatedly talked with the President and the Prime Minister. This is absurd: the occupied territory are declared free economic zone. Yes, to maintain communication with the peninsula, to ensure movement of citizens need. But our power is all done vice versa – are all sorts of obstacles at the entrance and the entrance to the Crimea with Ukrainian passports of people, representatives of the Diaspora, and to carry loads kilometers of queues trucks that follow almost without any checks.

We even conducted an experiment: sent to a person abroad, he comes to customs with the question as to whether they help hold the wagon, not figuring out what cargo it carries. “$ 500, – says he – and another 500 will have to give the border guards.” As a result, a bargain for a total of $ 800. Without checking, pay – and take me what you want!

All this talk, they say, there live our fellow citizens, they can not be left without food – it is the purest nonsense, it does not care about the citizens, if 90% of imported products in the Crimea and then moves on to Russia. But even that, what remains is primarily for the supply of military units. The shops, of course, also is part.

Without doubt, the main supplier of products to the peninsula – it is Ukraine, and if we do not supply them, where prices rise sharply. Russia will have to diversify the supplies, delivering goods by aircraft and ferries, but they will cost several times more expensive. But we continue to carefully feed the invaders and protect the Russian treasury of additional costs.

– What you said the president of the law on SEZs?

– During our last conversation with him, I said that we will block these columns trucks and special no objection.

And the Cabinet is now drawn up a list of goods that can be passed and in what amount. Also planned to establish hubs in the Kherson region – ie, large markets, where the inhabitants of the Crimea will come to buy food.

– It will be convenient for residents of the Crimea, living close to the border with Kherson region. Others, perhaps, will be expensive to travel?

– They do not care it will cost is 2-2.5 times cheaper than buying products in the Crimea. There will be sold not only products, but also construction materials – cement, crushed stone, etc. for individual use, which are now imported from Ukraine in the Crimea as a free economic zone. But the large-scale importation of trucks these materials to the Crimea, which are used in the construction of landfills for Russian missile systems for nuclear base, which is now settling for Kyzyltash, should not be.

– Mustafa-aga, you Simferopol was a charity fund “Krim”. At the moment he was arrested by the Russian authorities?

– First, they said that the Fund can not function because its founder is a foreign national, that is me. they have made themselves a foreigner. Foundation staff compromised and expelled me from its composition, although the statute is not written that I am the founder, as it is based the decision of the National Congress (Kurultai), and members of his administration also appointed by decision of the National Congress, and I, as chairman of the Majlis, of course, was the president of the Foundation.

The Russian authorities, who came to the Crimea, blocked the activity of the Foundation, and all that belongs to the Fund, and therefore the Majlis – buildings, offices – were arrested.

Moreover, all these assets were purchased by us and is privately owned. For example, building on the street. Schmidt 2 in Simferopol, which is considered an architectural monument, was bought by us many years ago, 40 or 45 thousand. Dollars.

All work carried out to repair the building, should be consistent with the architecture of the Committee. So, apart from the fact that the seizure of property was imposed due to the fact that I – “foreign” citizens, even house arrest because without the consent of the Russian architectural department repair of the roof was carried out there. This is so stupid … Are roof repairs should have been in the Ukrainian Crimea negotiate with Moscow? Well, if you would not have made the repair, then certainly he would have seized because “architectural monument” resulted in a state of neglect.

– That is the repair of the roof was carried out prior to the occupation, and the claims presented to you now?

– Of course. In fact of all the absurd.

– Yes, the Russians in the Crimea does not cease to amaze. Mustafa-aga, you filed suit in Moscow’s Basmanny Court to invalidate the decision of the Federal Migration Service to ban the entry you in Crimea. Why Moscow court?

– The lawsuit filed in the Basmanny Court lawyer, Mark Feigin, which protects our Hope Savchenko. Moreover, not in the hope of obtaining a fair judgment on the abolition of the ban arrogant, but to at least find out – what authority and who is hated this decision.

After all, in our hands is not a single document, where it would say something about the ban. I have in the cordon with Crimea on April 19 last year, just read out the paper on which there was no signature, no seal. The lawsuit was to determine who still ruled the ban. In theory, it was supposed to make the Federal Migration Service, but they say they do not do that. Even information on the prohibition of entry I have on the website of the Military Prosecutor’s Office, but also without specifying who took this decision. There is only a kind of justification for the ban – say, represent a threat to the territorial integrity and security of Russia.

And there are even more voluminous document authorship Crimean prosecutor’s office, in which he explained what I bad person, are gleaned from the Internet “anti-Russian” quotes from my interviews and stuff.

So at the trial it became clear that a decision on me took out the Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation, even though it does not fit into the Russian legislation, because it is the prerogative of the Federal Service for Migration. But the document with the FSB, too, so no one has presented. Now we have moved to the next stage of the story, it will conclude that now Mark Feigin is preparing documents for the ECHR.

– And why you turned to Russian lawyer?

– To find out what and where it came from in this case, it is necessary in the territory of Russia. Who is going to file a lawsuit with the ECHR – I or Feigin – whether it is necessary that documents of all levels were collected in Russia. That’s it, Mark does.

– What do you think, whether Ukraine should demand compensation from Russia for the assets in the Crimea? And it will not look as if we sell the Crimea?

– Payment shall be required for damages, for all that they have destroyed, taken away. And it’s time to force this point through the international courts to bring lawsuits Russia, and since it will not pay, then seize the property of Russia abroad. We are late with this case, and “YUKOS” Mihaila Hodorkovskogo, for example, won a lawsuit against the US $ 50 billion and now slowly begins to take the Russian property in some countries. The litigation lasted a long time and this was not easy, but in the “Yukos’ former shareholders eventually won. And here the situation is more obvious than that there – there is a violation not only of the economic rights, and international.

– Mustafa-aga, the decree of President of Ukraine you are appointed by the Commissioner of the Crimean Tatar people. Tell me, how we internally displaced persons from the Crimea?

– Displaced we mainly engaged in charity Crimea-SOS and representative of the UN High Commissariat for Refugees Ukraine, who led Oldrich Andrusek.

Cadence it was over, but instead wanted to appoint a former GDRovskogo Komsomolets, who has close ties with Russia. Our Foreign Ministry is justified objected to his candidacy and now representative of the High Commissioner, as it were, without the boss.

Check with great precision of movement of the inhabitants of the peninsula is impossible. But last year Andrusek said that moved about 10 thousand people, half of them – the Crimean Tatars. Who receives information about 21 000 and about 35 thousand. Slightly more than half of all internally displaced persons from the Crimea up the Crimean Tatars, because for them there is the greatest pressure.

– any cases of human rights violations you have fixed in the Crimea, both in terms of the Crimean Tatars, and the rest of the population. And how do you respond to them?

– We can not control everything, but now we already are building a network of correspondents all over the Crimea. This thing is very expensive and dangerous, because there is shadowing the Russian special services delivered at a high level. We collect information on the lines of the Mejlis also created their own network Crimean News Agency with the center in Kiev and ATR channel.

– What we have today in Ukraine there are programs, projects for the return of the Crimea under the jurisdiction of Ukraine?

– a detailed strategy for the return of the Crimea we do not have. But I expressed my opinion, it is that the military way of Crimea return is not possible, it was necessary to shoot at the beginning, and now, according to various estimates, the peninsula is concentrated from 60 to 80 thousand Russian troops, all dispersed weapons, tanks, missiles. There is also evidence that in Kyzyltash near Yalta restore the nuclear facilities and were seen cars, which have the symbol, a warning about nuclear dangers. But the “Topol”, “Iskander”, “SS-20”, which can carry nuclear weapons, there already is. And in the case of a military conflict, if, God forbid, it will explode even one nuclear warhead, it can be a disaster not only for the Crimea, the whole of Ukraine and Russia, but also for the whole of Europe. In a word,

I believe that the main strategy for the Crimea – sanctions. Therefore, the World Congress of Crimean Tatars, which discussed the issue of Crimea, addressed to the whole world and to the Turkish Government to join the sanctions.

The Russians, of course, very nervous about the Congress, they had set up in the Crimea its Sabbath forcibly assembled state employees, and on their behalf made an appeal to Erdogan that he would not allow the Congress. But Erdogan has not only ensured the smooth conduct of the Congress, but also addressed the delegates with the message, where he said that Turkey will never recognize the occupation and will always strive to restore the territorial integrity of Ukraine, called Crimean Tatars continue their struggle for the liberation of Crimea from the Russian occupation . Around the same vein were the treatment and the Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu.

First, the Russian press gleefully reported that Erdogan “ignored”, did not come to our Congress. But he could not come, because these days, together with the Minister of Foreign Affairs visited Indonesia and Pakistan. The Prime Minister was not there in Ankara. But as soon as they returned to the country, then immediately and the prime minister and the president invited us to a meeting. After that, the tone of the Russian press has become a bilious and angry – both in relation to Erdogan, and in general to the international policy of Turkey.

– The Verkhovna Rada has a sectarian association “Crimea”. Who enters into it, and what do they do?

– No special results of work they do not have, and powers, in general, too, no no. MP Alexey Goncharenko suggested that I led the work of this association, but I refused, and then he himself became head of the group.

We’re talking about what we need to create in the Verkhovna Rada a separate Committee for Crimea and other occupied territories. This issue we will discuss in the near future with the Speaker of BP Vladimirom Groysmanom.

– And what in general there are international projects dealing with the problem of the Crimea?

– Who will be the return of the Crimea, if not ourselves? The international community is merely states that the annexation of the Crimea and the Russian invasion of the territory of Ukraine is illegal and does not recognize Crimea’s accession to Russia.

Penalties – it is their measure of influence on Russia. But the sanctions also affect the economies of those countries that have joined this list. For example, I was in Italy, where Berlusconi’s party and even some party “5 stars” comedian Beppe Grullo in favor of the abolition of the sanctions. This movement is in France. But thank God, these countries have not yet abolished the sanctions and unlikely to be canceled until the liberation of the Crimea, but the Russian secret services are working very hard in this respect – and bribe some politicians or organizations, snapping up even provincial newspapers in the European countries, to apply, as is the case with French delegation, traveling to the Crimea and meetings with the occupation authorities and then repeated their statements to the press that no one’s rights are not violated. Unfortunately, the corrupt and greedy for dirty money people everywhere suffice.

But independent international human rights organizations and the Russian authorities in Crimea is not allowed. Once allowed to enter the Turkish group of independent experts, apparently relying on their loyalty, as Turkey has not yet acceded to the sanctions. First was the question of how the delegation would be to get there: if in Moscow, it will be a violation of Ukrainian sovereignty, if in Kiev, then they were not allowed to Crimea. Then, in a conversation with Erdogan in Kyiv on March 20, I proposed a compromise, the delegation arrived in Kiev, and then went to Moscow and from there to Simferopol. Such an option all arranged, and our Ministry of Foreign Affairs also did not mind.

Following the visit to the Crimea a group of experts presented a report on 20 pages, which was a shock to the Russians, because it shows everything as it really is. After that no uncontrolled Russian mission to the Crimea is no longer allowed. We wish to operate through Russian human rights organizations, but they also create a lot of obstacles to their activities in the Crimea – and delay, and check. I am talking about Russian human rights defenders from the group of dissident hardening – Lyudmile Alekseevoy, for example.

– Mustafa-aga, tell us about your trip to Poland for the presentation of the Solidarity Award. You, as far as I know, offered other nominees for the award?

– The award was given to the daughter of Boris Nemtsov – Jeanne. I, as the first winner of this award, had the right to nominate, and the first name that came to mind then, of course, was Boris Nemtsov – a fearless fighter against the regime, against the occupation of the Crimea, and Russia’s war against Ukraine. Which, by the way, and he knew about it he said at a meeting with me in Kiev, that it was likely soon be killed. But the Polish Solidarity Prize as the Nobel not awarded posthumously. So I made the candidacy of Alexander Podrabinek, who fearlessly fought against the Soviet regime, he spent many years in prisons, camps and exile, and now as hard struggles with the Putin regime. I mentioned this in his speech at the ceremony in Warsaw Award on 6 August.

All nominated candidates were many, about 20 people of European, Asian and African countries, and all of them mentioned in a separate film, which was shown at the ceremony.

Out of all the nominations the jury chose Zhannu Nemtsovu – the daughter of Boris Nemtsov, a courageous and talented journalist who after the death of his father, too, was forced to leave Russia, and works on the radio “Deutsche Welle”. By the way, she said that a significant portion of the premium received will give the families of our “Heavenly hundred”, “Boris Nemtsov Fund” to continue his father’s business, the Crimean Tatar TV channel ATR-in-exile, which is the “bastion of freedom on the peninsula of speech and objective news about the situation” and other charitable projects in Ukraine.

Interviewed by Natalia Kondratieva

Sourse, 21/08/2015

Crimea is not yours

December 3, 2014

In the program “Face-to-event” to “Radio Liberty” – an interview with the leader of the Crimean Tatar people, MP of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Mustafa Dzhemilev about what happened and is happening in Russia annexed Crimea.

Conversations at the international conference in Wroclaw memory of the poet Natalia Gorbanevskaya .

Mikhail Sokolov: Conference “Against war and violence.” Which was held November 29 and 30 in Poland in Wroclaw, it was dedicated to the memory of the poet and human rights activist Natalia Gorbanevskaya, one of the eight people who came to Red Square August 25, 1968, in protest against the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia. Participated in policy discussions, human rights activists, historians, writers from Russia, Ukraine, Poland, the protesters in Red Square in 1968. Pavel Litvinov and Viktor Feinberg. The leader of the Crimean Tatar people Mustafa Dzhemilev spoke about Natalia Gorbanevskaya.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Dear friends, colleagues. A year as dead Natalia Gorbanevskaya. But we, the old dissidents, while we are still alive, perhaps we should talk about Natalia Gorbanevskaya. This is very important, because such people always lacked, then and now, and not to be missed in the future tense.

Already the first document, which was signed by the initiative group – it would appeal to the United Nations Commission on Human Rights, where there were 15 signatures of members of the initiative group, which spoke about the main crimes of the Soviet regime in the field of human rights, including mention of the struggle of the Crimean Tatar people to return to their homeland, about lawlessness of the Soviet authorities. It was one of the first documents, which allowed to bring the Crimean Tatar problem, the problem of the deported people to return to their historical homeland of the world community.

Arrest Natalia Gorbanevskaya very painful blow to the initiative of our group. Because a major role in the collection of materials, drafting, correcting and even many of the documents, which were issued by the initiative group of human rights, Natalia played Gorbanevskaya. There are these words: “And the good and evil – all die, so better to let the good we will remember.” Natalia Gorbanevskaya one of those people who will remember for a long time.

Mikhail Sokolov: “Poetry Natalia Gorbanevskaya inherits Russian civic poetry, with its idealism, the idea of ​​man as a being, longing for justice, sacrifice and unselfish,” – said Grigory Yavlinsky. But, of course, the focus was not only poetry, but also the problems of human rights, ideals that were important for Natalia Gorbanevskaya, were central to her life.

The son of Natalia Gorbanevskaya – Jaroslav urged the authorities of Western countries demand that the Russian release of all political prisoners.

Jaroslav Gorbanevsky: Today I am in Wroclaw on the anniversary of my mother’s memory, which stands for your freedom and ours. For the freedom of all, in particular, for freedom of political prisoners. If we celebrate the memorial of her reward with something or just remember, just honestly could say: It stands for freedom, let us do as well as she did. We love her, we honor it, let’s do what she would have asked us to do. So today I asked Poland to those whose words at the official level is important, with a request: say three sentences, speaking officially, openly, publicly, tell those three phrases to release Russian prisoners.

Mikhail Sokolov: “Polish society is one in relation to assessment of the events in Ukraine and the aggression against it”, – said the president of the Polish Institute of National Remembrance Lukasz Kaminski. The famous Polish sociologist and translator of Adam Pomorsky believes that Putin managed to just a year to destroy what happened in Europe in the last quarter of a century.

At an international conference in Wroclaw, a resolution was adopted with the assessment of what is happening in Russia and Ukraine:

“We, the participants of the international conference” Days of memory Natali Gorbanevskoy “urge the Russian people do not support a regime that leads to disaster.

We appeal to the governments and citizens of the free world: do not throw the Ukraine alone. Stop Russian aggression.

We, friends and colleagues Natali Gorbanevskoy, appeal to the governments and citizens of the free world: ask the Russian authorities to release all political prisoners. “

The resolution is very important, – says human rights activist and historian Alexander Daniel:

At the international conference “Against war and violence” in the center of attention and was the Crimean Tatar issue.

About what is happening in the Crimea, now in the “Face-to-event”, we talk with the leader of the Crimean Tatar human rights movement, a deputy of the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Mustafa Dzhemilev.

Mustafa, I would like to start a little distance in the same sense as were the relations of the Crimean Tatar people with the Ukrainian authorities in Crimea. Because today on this topic a lot of different fantasies, talk about what you and discriminated against in Ukraine. Like going back?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Definitely, that any coherent policy of the Ukrainian state system against the Crimean Tatar people as an indigenous people of the peninsula, was not. Yes, Ukraine has declared that it recognizes the illegal deportation of the Crimean Tatars, has committed itself to solve all the social and legal problems of the Crimean Tatar people. In practice, it has done very little. We, the Crimean Tatars did not return what was illegally taken away.

On the one hand this is understandable. What to do with, say, the people who live in our homes. The state in this respect, has said that it is the best of its capabilities will solve social problems through the provision of the budget year in accordance with their capabilities, but stood minuscule, it did not cover a tenth of what is needed, not even was the fact income taxes, which was obtained in the Crimean Tatars working.

In general, the attitude of the Ukrainian establishment to the Crimean Tatars was such as to the voters. Upcoming elections, they proceed from the fact that the Crimean Tatars have consolidated electorate, the vast majority decision of its highest representative body of the Mejlis, the Kurultai, therefore, agreed with Parliament to the effect that we support them in the elections, and if they win, introduce some of its passage list one or two, depending on the capabilities of this political party, our representatives.

But Majlis has its basic principles. For example, even if the Communist Party offered us their entire list to give, we would not have voted. We have always supported the principle of national-democratic forces, they usually do not come to power. There was one case when Yushchenko was president, the party came to power. Then they began discord, they not only failed to fulfill the promises against the Crimean Tatars, but also generally in relation to other voters, too.

Worse it was the part of those who came to power. They are, as a rule, relied on in Russian, chauvinistic electorate. To us it was, at least, indifference, hostility under Yanukovych. Accordingly, the problem is not solved. If the Crimean Tatars in the autonomy is 14%, then in the structures, as we shall find in the local or regional elections executive, representative government depended places, and in the executive power structure the percentage of Crimean Tatars did not exceed 2.5-3%, that is discrimination 4-5. Accordingly, no other problems were solved. Not because Ukraine was chauvinistic, great-approach to the Crimean Tatars. Due, in particular, the fact that the Crimea – is a region where the vast majority are ethnic Russian, who moved primarily, more than 80%

The stereotype, which was implemented for decades, that drove away it is true that they are traitors, all of this favorably perceived by them, give peace of mind, as they took home, whom they sent to death, and then it turns out, it turns out, that they are bad. Here is the promotion lasted for many years, and it was passed down from generation to generation.

Mikhail Sokolov: Crimean authorities with those who led the executive branch, could agree, or they had a special respect for its Kiev, more rigid with respect to the Crimean Tatar people politics?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Definitely all, who heads the executive branch can not. Were more or less pragmatic, to the best of their abilities a little bit more far-sighted than towards others. The last prime minister of Mogilev, ardent chauvinist who in the press openly justified the deportation of Crimean Tatars, said it was the “fifth column”. What can you negotiate with them? Respectively had the chauvinistic policy. He fully supported, as well as his chief of Yanukovich, a pro-Russian on the Russian majority. In between, there were some people, such as the Prime Minister Kunitsyn or Speaker of the Verkhovna Rada Gritsenko, who understood that if you do not solve the problem of the Crimean Tatars, then this is the way to conflict, then they will not be able, and for ourselves to get something. That is a more pragmatic, more prone to the Crimean Tatars.

Mikhail Sokolov: Did you have any suggestions that might be organized in the Crimea coup with the participation of Russian law enforcement agencies, with the participation of Aksenov groups, and so on?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: For a long time, my view was that the current situation in Russia is unlikely to direct annexation, most likely Russia will always create tensions, create problems Ukraine to the fact that they could not create an independent policy. But the fact that so and will move its troops, chop off another part of the territory, in the twenty-first century, it seemed incredible. But after the 2008 Russian-Georgian war, I was probably one of the first, which opened in the press, in the newspaper “Day” said that next in line could be Ukraine. I even said so, that repeated a similar scenario. If, for example, in Georgia, South Ossetia and Abkhazia strenuously heard Russian passports, then about the same thing happens. I cited statistics on how much we have in the Crimea there is people who have Russian passports, analysis of the elections to the authorities of Russia. Sets the polling stations, and those who have Russian passports, vote. Based on the fact that it was not quite comfortable to come from one village to another in the elections, we did this offer and come to the conclusion that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel. who have Russian passports, vote. Based on the fact that it was not quite comfortable to come from one village to another in the elections, we did this offer and come to the conclusion that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel. who have Russian passports, vote. Based on the fact that it was not quite comfortable to come from one village to another in the elections, we did this offer and come to the conclusion that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel. that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel. that a very large number of people along with Ukrainian passports have Russian passports. So I contacted the Security Service of Ukraine in order to test this dual citizenship of people because, in accordance with Ukrainian legislation, we do not recognize dual citizenship. They pretended to be checked, can be actually tested, found somewhere half thousand, and in fact the score was five-digit numbers, and more than a hundred thousand people who had passports in parallel.

I also said that a serious threat to the security of Ukraine is the Black Sea fleet, so you should immediately proceed to the denunciation of the contract with Russia on the Black Sea Fleet. Although I suggest what may be the cost, what penalties, but the security interests should be paramount. Of course, to take a course to join the North Atlantic alliance.

But authorities did exactly the opposite. It was still under Yushchenko, and after a while came to power Yanukovych, it is not something to denounce, the term had come to an end in 2017, it extended for another 25 years under the pretext that Putin promised to reduce the price of gas at one hundred dollars per thousand cubic meters. This, in my view, was a real betrayal. No wonder at the statement, upon ratification of this treaty were just fights in the parliament. But the power they have, and they were able to push through it.

So later I saw an analytical report of the Security Service of the Crimea to his superiors in Kiev, where about my statement saying that the Majlis takes a provocative attitude, actions are aimed to spoil fraternal relations between the two countries. That is, we are provocateurs, because we want to withdraw the Black Sea Fleet.

Summing up, I want to say that there have been indications that this can happen, though not fully believe it. Moreover, that the head of state for a few months before, when he was asked the question, that, well, there is talk that the Russian claim to Crimea, how do you assess, it clearly states that this is nonsense, it’s nonsense, it provocation, we respect the state border of Ukraine, is coming up with different provocateurs. And suddenly this development. Arguments to justify this policy and the introduction of its troops on our territory, of course, does not stand up to scrutiny. The claims that if the Ukraine to establish a fascist regime, Bandera, that there almost chase through the streets and kill everyone who is not a fascist – it was such wildness directly posed on its head.

 with full responsibility that in all the years of Ukraine’s independence is now just after Independence and Revolution, established in all branches of government, the executive and the Cabinet of Ministers, the Verkhovna Rada most that eat the most democratic system of governance.

Please note though that we have parliamentary speaker with a typical Ukrainian surname Groisman, Interior Minister Avakian. There generally are not interested in the nationality of the one prescribed.

Such wild fancies as if created a threat to the Russian-speaking population in the regions, especially in the depths of Russia, who did not know that we have going on, it may be held.

Mikhail Sokolov: Still grouping Aksenov, what is it? You come across these people? They got 3 or 5% in the last election and now they are the real power.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Since 2009, they could not be heard on the political horizon, but in 2009 they created a group called “Russian unity”, this populist theme that Russian should unite to defend their rights. Pro-Russian rhetoric has been a lot of that is historical, but frankly, it is necessary to separate the Crimea from Ukraine and Russia attach to such slogans they had, but was clearly pro-Russian. We knew that he was very powerfully supported by a neighboring state, and not very successful, because it is a serious election votes are not typed. At the same time, it was known that this Aksenov named “Goblin” has managed to place in different power structures, primarily in the prosecutor’s office, his men, who defended them when they came across a not very nice things. But still, of course, governed from the Kremlin, Moscow, itself the Goblin could not do anything until you go to some order. All revolutions, it is no secret, it is not carried out “Russian unity”, and specific powers which belong to the Russian military.

Mikhail Sokolov: If we talk about the events of the beginning of the winter and spring, say, February, was there a real opportunity to confront once this coup, say, the same Crimean Tatars, who took to the streets, and then somehow disappeared from the streets?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I can say that for 100% could resist, if not for the intervention of the neighboring country. Because seized Parliament, the Council of Ministers of autonomy is not Russian bloc and the so-called “little green men” – a cadre people trained terrorists with all equipment. Therefore, it was not, someone who will overcome on the Crimean peninsula, there is dictated by external forces.

Mikhail Sokolov: It was not here for your mistakes? Demonstrations, in my opinion, continued for three days, then somehow were discontinued. If the demonstrations continued, maybe Putin does not want to take the risk?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Completely eliminate what you said, it is also impossible, this view has a right to exist. But as the events unfolded. What this rally going? To Parliament adopted the decision that they were motivated by the Kremlin, to accede to Russia. Accordingly, the Crimean Tatars were against. Failed. This is the 26th confrontation, they collected three or four thousand of his supporters brought up by buses from all edges, including Sevastopol. Crimean Tatars, there were three or four times more pushed.

The very next day the room occupied by terrorists. These terrorists have a pass allowed deputies at the entrance to the Parliament have seized mobile phones, in front of each stand when put to the vote, keep track of who like to vote, and like they scored either 56, or 57 votes, but there were only 46 votes, according to some reports. However, they declared that the deputies voted to join Russia. Even if it was 90%, still it is illegitimate.

What kind of parliament where the barrel behind you indicate how to vote. There are people, of course, can be and have been inclined to vote for certain decisions, but they are likely to vote when they will be paid, but not when forced to. There simply forced. Already carried out any actions aimed at the liberation of the occupied territories, it was obvious bloodshed. Also in Kiev, we were asked not to go, not to provoke, not to allow that Putin was a reason for the introduction of troops. There even was talk that preparing provocations that have had to find two or three dead Russian soldiers, of course, killed the Crimean Tatars, then start a campaign against the Crimean Tatars. We are seriously afraid of this and warned the press that there are our sources of information. They are the soldiers did not kill. Crimean Tatars,

Mikhail Sokolov: You can specify: Kiev – who is this? These people have families, and so on?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Then was the speaker of the Verkhovna Rada of Turchynov, Prime Minister Yatsenyuk. I’m not going to blame them, their order can be correctly and completely wrong. That’s right, if there really ready for something bloody, and they acted very humanely, saying he did not go out and do not lose their lives. And if this confidence was not simply give in to terrorists, to leave them unpunished, moreover, had the opportunity to neutralize them and do not do – is, of course, raises a number of questions as to why it was not done.

Mikhail Sokolov: I understand that at this stage the victims were just among the Crimean Tatars, a man was killed there. It was possible to find out what happened and who’s to blame him?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: It is not these days, later it was. March 3 area came Crimean Tatar, Ukrainian flag wrapped, said he was against the occupation, it was then in front of all the people was pushed into a car and drove away. Then a week later his body was found with signs of violence, tied with adhesive tape, to the naked eye it was clear that killed stabbed in the eye. The fact that this operation vykradyvaniyu human and murder carried out so-called “self-defense”, where all the thugs in the Crimea, we had no doubt. The fact that the FSB and then say that they can not identify, can not be established – is babbling. If YouTube can recognize who pushes him, the experts have been even more so. This concerns not only the first but also the subsequent vykradyvany people.

Mikhail Sokolov: We stayed on repression. The repression against the Crimean Tatars from the people who occupied the Crimea, they almost immediately started after the occupation?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: We have accurate information that the Russian political establishment had a dual attitude to the developments in Crimea and, in particular, in relation to the Crimean Tatars. Part of the establishment came from the fact that the Crimean Tatars have to agree, especially with Parliament, because the vast majority of Crimean Tatars are guided by the Majlis. This explains the invitation to Moscow for talks, the arrival of numerous delegations from Russia, Tatarstan, Bashkortostan, to negotiate with the Majlis of the Crimean Tatar people.

Mikhail Sokolov: We can remember how there was this type of negotiation process that they are offered to you?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: From the outset, they had prepared, and even adopted a draft resolution of the Verkhovna Rada of the Autonomous Republic, where Crimean Tatars 23% of guaranteed representation in all structures of power in all branches of government, including in parliament. That is allocated a quota under this quota choose themselves Crimean Tatars. The functioning of the Crimean Tatar language as one of the official on the territory of Crimea. Thirdly, the return of the Crimean Tatars, who were forced to lie outside of the Crimea. It was assumed that the measures will be taken public, including financial ones, in order to facilitate their return to the territory of Crimea. What will be restored historical place names of the Crimea – it is more than 1,200 settlements, which at one time after the deportation of the Crimean Tatars were Russified: Tank, Armored,

And most significant is that these people, who came to power and brought them, the “Goblin”, I mean Aksenov, who poison breathed in the Majlis, always stated that it is an illegal structure, so-and-so, all of a sudden in this decision stated that they will be officially recognized, the Crimean Tatar Kurultai and Majlis. That is, there was such a direct calculation that the Crimean Tatars to celebrate, to cling to these opportunities and say how happy they are to be in the Russian Federation. But this is not passed.

The upper hand in policy toward the Crimean Tatars began to occupy the “hawks”, who initially said that the Tatars Crimean impossible to negotiate, especially with Parliament, so you need to act only traditional exhaust not only in Soviet Russia, but also in pre-revolutionary methods separation of the Crimean Tatars into good and bad, the repression that, in fact, done.

Mikhail Sokolov: What kind of repression took place today?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Mass no arrests have massive searches under the pretext that they allegedly looking for weapons, in some cases, they say the drugs, although it seems absurd, with no data, they say, Behold, we are looking for drugs. Weapons, drugs, and the third, the most vulnerable – is the search for banned books. They made a list of forbidden books of more than 2600 titles, but this is an incomplete list.

We first talked about 40 searches the Crimean Tatars in their homes, mosques, schools, and they turned out to be much larger. Some houses were searched and immediately threatened that if someone knows about it, then let him think about the children. Closed searches were carried out mainly by so-called “self-defense”. They were taken during the search, not only as a traditional FSB conducts searches, seized computers, materials, they still grab that will attract them.

Mikhail Sokolov: “self-defense” forces – what is this? It’s illegal armed formation of Russian legislation?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Illegal, but they wanted to legalize, prepared a draft resolution, it is volunteers who are patriotic reasons.

Mikhail Sokolov: Type the terrorists?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: The guards did not have guns, and they – and their body armor and equipment, machines, all they have.

Mikhail Sokolov: So it’s actually a gang. What quantity of these gangs?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Hard to say, a few hundred. To my mind. May 3, when I do not miss, Aksenov issued the call to gather all the members of groups “self-defense”, wherever they were, they say, is about to start a war with the Crimean Tatars.

Mikhail Sokolov: On May 3. As I understand it, when you did not miss, people have been trying somehow to express his opinion, the demonstration carried out now, as I understand it, are repression, searches and arrests?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: yesterday reported that the arrested four people accused in the case that he had illegally crossed the state border between the Crimea and Ukraine, from the point of view of international law is absurd, at 100%, you can be sure that the European Court of Human Rights is do not recognize.

They formed the gang mainly of so-called Cossacks, former gebistov who were werewolves, who served in the Security Service of Ukraine, but among them there are those who have never been in the Crimea, so to speak softer.

They basically do the dirty work, they are not an independent force. I am absolutely certain that if the central Russian government was interested in the fact that they were not idle, then so be it was. We have the impression that this was done deliberately in order to intimidate people, to force ourselves to leave the territory of Crimea.

Mikhail Sokolov: The case of the third, as I understand it, is used in the same spirit as the “swamp thing” in Russia, to intimidate people. Are there any prospects that it can grow?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: expanding, looking to what extent. If it’s a bloody showdown, the Majlis will make every effort, that it was not, because it would mean the death of our people.

Mikhail Sokolov: If even a few dozen people arrested?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: There are different options. They came to me people who said that we are also able to easily steal them. I said that we can not go on this way, we are not terrorists, we are not going to steal one. That is, I come to a standstill, it is difficult to answer unequivocally. When your rights are harshly suppressed, bullied, whether it is necessary to respond with violence? It seems to be logical, to your land came the soldiers of another country, dictates the rules, he put on you bastards, that humiliate your dignity. Exit what? Well, war, shot one, two, three, they are the same in a few hours, especially now, when the trap snapped shut, no were not allowed there, without any witnesses, can do anything you want, and then press to declare that the Crimean Tatars fought among themselves, the different clans killed themselves.

Mikhail Sokolov: So you are for non-violent resistance?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I would not say in the absolute non-violent. We have on this subject often appeared that there is no alternative. If the armed forces should adhere to the principle of nonviolence, why do they need, what machines, which should never shoot? In the military department has its own standard of behavior should have been, it may be there, but it was not observed. According to various estimates, there were about 14,000 armed forces on the territory of Crimea. Conditions in order to participate in the war, not what win any concessions to get their rights – it was unreal.

Mikhail Sokolov: We often hear that Ukraine has made a mistake, if it had at least a minimal resistance in the Crimea, there would be no hike Strelkova in Donbass and other actions.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: we have a lot to discuss on this topic. Arguments such that, say, guided by humane considerations, not to dying people. Why then keep the army? Who wants to come, chop off, which you need to territory. For the military is not an argument, not to resist.

This is largely demoralized in some way, and those citizens who remained in the Crimea loyal to their state. They were amazed at how this is so, a weapon that is bought at the expense of the taxpayers, just as the aggressor. There are other reasons, it turns out, did not want to provoke, like people did not die.

Mikhail Sokolov: As a result, they do not die in the Crimea and the Donbas.

Mustafa Dzhemilev: And die in the Crimea.

Mikhail Sokolov: What is the current economic situation in the Crimea, according to your data? What is happening and what is going on with the same Crimean Tatars, still they are in the agricultural sector is largely involved?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: None agriculture or tourism, which was one of the main sources of income in the Crimea, now do not have to say, because who wants to relax in the occupied territory, besides not go any traffic reports, no planes, no boats.

Mikhail Sokolov: prices are rising?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: prices are rising, but the Russian government has raised some salaries and pensions, too. By many indicators that tell me this in some way compensates for the fact that prices have risen. Therefore, the money received would like a little more, but also have to spend more on the same products. This is one.

Secondly, the threat to agriculture. It’s no secret that more than 80% of water, including irrigation purpose water comes from the mainland. If you block the water, and she was partially blocked because something is destroyed, then the autonomous republic no other way to try to solve to get water from underground sources, and use this water to irrigate the land – it’s just a crime, causing great environmental damage . But with no other choice, they do it. They have caused great damage to the ecology of the Crimea is due to the fact that the drilled, fetched water to watered.

Mikhail Sokolov: Say, can we say that Crimea is an economic blockade on the part of Ukraine after the adoption of the law on the occupied territories?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: No there is no blockade. Even we have information that the time since the occupation of the Crimean port of call in 69 vehicles.

Mikhail Sokolov: It is almost a year?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: If we assume that in March-April to date. I say 69 because the number was exactly in the list of names of ships that call at ports of Crimea, Attorney General of illegal crossing of the territory, including entering our territorial waters.

Mikhail Sokolov: The ships do not come legally, agriculture in poor condition, and people than live?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Most jobs servicing the military complex. They launched a very large military preparations. Yesterday came from the Crimea, said that a huge amount of cement being taken, where used to be a nuclear repository, all signs want to restore it.

Across the road the Crimea build, is clearly not in order to make people comfortable, and for military purposes, especially in the northern parts. Openly say that military action will begin soon on the border between the Crimea and Kherson area. Due to this, in the main.

In this situation, the Crimean Tatars is very difficult. Because if you’re doing a job that serves the military, you have to give the oath of allegiance to Russia. Someone in desperation goes for it. At this very well speculate Russian media, be sure to remove, will be shown on the Internet, how to swear allegiance to Russia.

Mikhail Sokolov: The bridge will be built in the Crimea, do you think? Something that will change fundamentally?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: Regarding the construction of the bridge, at the time it was engaged and Hitler did not succeed. Maybe if I exert some effort. But this bridge is illegal because it has to be agreed with the Ukrainian government.

Mikhail Sokolov: What do you propose to do now Crimean Tatars, you – the leader of the Majlis, you are on the territory of Ukraine, you home is not allowed, and what do the people who were left?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: It’s hard sitting in Kiev, give instructions, from our point of view, the most correct. People there are very hard. Of course, we’d love to have one of the Crimean Tatars did not take Russian citizenship, so they boycotted. But this is impossible, impossible. Would that they are empty of peace, but the resistance of rallies, demonstrations.

It also let to mass arrests, top kills. Therefore, we stick to the traditional way – non-violent resistance, defending their dignity. This is not entirely successful, because there is such a massive pressure, such as never was under Soviet rule.

Mikhail Sokolov: There collaborators?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: A Frenchman once said: if some people do not drug addicts, prostitutes, traitors, what kind of a nation? Of course, there will probably be. The main thing is that their number was not some sort of critical mass.

I can say that with this case from the Russian occupation authorities is very great difficulties. Yes, they recruit someone, put on some positions, while at the same time do spit, they say that there is nobody behind them, their people despise, arms not served. Keep what you have. Of course there will, probably.

Mikhail Sokolov: Do you regret that in Tatarstan President Putin failed to agree somehow or the other way around, which is not declared him a tougher stance?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I without offense, but said its tough stance. When Putin said that to solve all the problems of the Crimean Tatars, I did not refuse this aid, of course, Russia is responsible for the situation in which we find ourselves. We were a part of Russia, when we were deported. Be so kind as to solve issues following the withdrawal of your troops from our territory. Decide at the negotiating table with our guidance. And to ensure that these negotiations take place, again, you need to withdraw its troops. Putin, too, thought that if the mountain to promise things, the more given that the Crimean Tatars and the Ukrainian authorities were in the same position, for some reason they hoped that we easily persuaded. Since this did not happen, they are focused on their traditional methods – repression, attempts to split and so on.

Mikhail Sokolov: What will you do in the Verkhovna Rada is now, in the new structure?

Mustafa Dzhemilev: I have always said and say that alone solve the problem of the Crimean Tatars without reference to the problems of the whole of Ukraine is impossible. Of course, we will strive to a sharp improvement in the economic situation in Ukraine, strengthening defense capabilities. Because that’s exactly what if our defenses were not in such a catastrophic situation, as in recent years our President Yanukovych, Putin would hardly have brought their troops.

Of course, we will work a lot at the international level, because the Western countries should fulfill their commitments. Even it’s not that they were concerned about Ukrainians and Crimean Tatars, everyone has their own interests. Because if you close your eyes to this international robbery in the XXI century – is the way to a very large disaster.

Mikhail Sokolov: “Our country is in danger tanks in a strange land” – these words said to the invasion of Czechoslovakia by Russian poet Alexander Galich. Today, the Russians have the right to repeat these words.

Today, the Russian tanks again in a strange land, people today again imprisoned, because they are fighting for freedom. It is a threat to all of us. For our freedom and yours!

Sourse, 02/12/2014

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Crimean Tatars: the nation’s tragedy

April 28, 2016

Ban the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people has strongly condemned the US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland. Speaking April 27 during his visit to Kiev, she stressed that this outrageous decision violates the democratic rights of the entire “historical community.”

The EU called the ban the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar people, a serious attack on the rights of the Crimean Tatars and evidence of further deterioration of the human rights situation in Russia annexed Crimea. This is stated in the statement of the European External Action Service.

“It is necessary without delay to ensure full compliance with international standards of human rights and other obligations under international law, in particular, in this case in relation to the Crimean Tatars community”, – the statement says.

April 26 Russian-controlled Crimea Supreme Court acknowledged Majlis extremist organization and banned its activities on Russian territory. Thus I was satisfied the claim of the Crimean