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It should not be ruled out that violence, terrorist attacks and killings will become the new law of life

December 21, 2016

After the analysis of the terrible events in Aleppo, the world’s terrorist attacks and demonstration killings, it appears that the main and perhaps the main argument of the modern world has become violent.

Violence was originally the shadow of a human life, it is inherent in human nature. Remember his first manifestation – the murder of Abel by Cain. Even then, it is harmoniously entered the life of the world and became co-exist with humans.

Another thing – there have been ebbs and flows of violence. Thus, a positive period of the postwar period was after the Second World War, when humanity said to myself: «newer again» (never again – trans.). Then the world was set up to ensure that never again allow a military nightmare. Then he took a major turning point, which I appreciate as a category of zero-sum and added value.

That is, the principle of zero-sum – is “an eye for an eye,” or “I won and you lost.” It’s a formula that involves violence basis. In turn, the principle of value added – is the principle of cooperation (for the participants get more on cooperation than on the single).

After the war, European civilization adopted the principles of added value and pushed all the antagonisms that have been in Europe before. It seemed forever pushed. But it so happened, as we would.

“With a light hand,” Putin’s violence is back in our lives.

The Russian president has decided to turn the chessboard and make Europe a new force redivision of the world. Unfortunately, this principle has become contagious: many nations become agitated and began to act selfishly, not as agreed earlier.

Of course, in this situation, a lot of the blame lies with the Brussels bureaucracy as cooperation formula, which they offer, often does not satisfy the people. Therefore, the “fashion” to force to resolve the problems returned. Therefore, we should not exclude that violence, acts of terror and murder will become the new law of life.

And it gives me a great disappointment, because I thought that humanity has become much wiser.

Sourse, 20/12/2017

Let’s change the rules of the game and become successful, otherwise we devour Bolshevik mood

November 12, 2016

November 10-11 in Lviv hosts international congress of dissidents and II Crimean forum. The event is timed to the 40th anniversary of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group – association of human rights defenders, who fought against human rights violations in the Soviet Union. Talk about Congress dissidents to one of its organizers – co-founder of UHG, dissident, pro-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University Miroslavom Marinovichem.

In Ukraine, there is a possibility of a new Maidan, but such an event – it is the will of the Holy Spirit, not man. Such an opinion in an interview with «LB.ua» stated Miroslav Marinović.

“The threat is there, but I still want to believe in the natural intuition of Ukrainians. And secondly, I believe that the Maidan – the will of the Holy Spirit, not man. Here Mustafa Nye wrote in Facebook «come to the Maidan,” and people came. Well, now let write … And nothing will happen. See, it’s not because Nye wrote, “- said Marinovic.

He added that Ukraine is on the verge of great changes.

“I really believed that the second Maidan will be the last, after which everything goes forward. Now I see what is not. After such a huge edifice, as the Ukraine, it is difficult to change. A huge car you can not turn as “Zaporozhets”. I believe there will be more ups, only ask God that they were not violent. We had two successful Maidana (we done to them, that’s another issue). But they were successful, because it was the right thing. When there is violence – forget about the support of the Holy Spirit “- Marinovic said.

However, he expressed confidence that the union dissidents in Ukraine in any organization or party is unrealistic.

“This is absolutely unrealistic, and reminds me of the traditional reproach to the initiative group of the First of December -” You are, do some treatment, but why do not you take to work? Why will not the political organization, the party? Young will help you. ” No! It is older people who barely make themselves come to the meeting, and that is not all. This is impossible even to speak. Among them are many weak “- Marinovic said.

Sourse, 11/11/2016

While suffering in the camps, I believe the grace of God

April 15, 2016

Vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv, a founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, Miroslav Marinović told why he was grateful to the Soviet camp, what Putin’s weakness, and why we can not allow a third Maidan – Maidan revenge.

– In your biography there is an interesting fact: in February 1987, while in exile in Kazakhstan, you have refused to petition for clemency. Why?

– In 1987, Gorbachev had to somehow solve the problem of political prisoners. This issue has been a thorn in its relations with the West, and he wanted to get rid of it. But it was necessary to do it nicely, to present everything as “workers’ request.” Therefore, the delegation traveled to the ends of the Union, to persuade people to write letters about his repentance. In this case, the chance to go free were very high.

But when to me was such a delegation, I did not yet know. It looked like this: I came to a group of prosecutors, government officials, the KGB officers, who say: “Write an application, and you immediately released.” I laughed and said: “Listen, I have not written this statement at the beginning of his term, when well understood that if I write, I would be freed That is, I could never sit whole life And now, when I two years of exile left.. you want to buy me in the same sentence – write and you will be released, I will not write anything, all right? “.

And they ask: “Would you please give a written denial?” I was surprised, shrugged his shoulders and say, of course. And he wrote, why can not file a petition for clemency. As it turned out, it was important to get a piece of paper. “Received a letter.” My failure as failures of other dissidents who were perceived as referring to the system.

Later, I was very surprised to learn that at about the same situation was, and the patriarch Joseph Blind – and this despite the fact that he was a prisoner to the other, the Stalinist era. He also asked to state their refusal in writing, which he did. KGB methods do not change.

– Time passes, and the system does not change?

– Rapidly changing external signs, ideology, but the essence remains the lowlands. And selective justice Yanukovych – a selective Soviet justice.

And what it cost to provide medical care in the camps: if you serve the system – you will be treated if you struggle with the system – you may, for example, to open the seal, put there arsenic, and then leave and not to return to the seal closed. And this is only a small bar.

And what about the case where the doctor refused to provide medical assistance to the Russian poet Viktor Nekipelov because in addition to the chest was a cross. He was in a very serious condition, and I gave him a pectoral cross. Victor was grateful to me. A doctor came – and recoiled simply: “No, let him heal you, and I will not be treated.” The name of that “Aesculapius” Pchelnikov. He, I think, would be sitting in the dock during the Nuremberg-2, if there was such a tribunal.

– In one of your speeches you talked about the fact that all crises – economic, political – one source – the human spirit crisis. I have to say is now appropriate that the peak of the crisis on the Ukrainian society is left behind?

– No, the crisis continues to grow. Ukrainian society has made very important things – I’m talking about the Maidan. I highly appreciate the spiritual significance of the Maidan. But in Ukrainian history as it was before: we are much easier to fight for the values ​​than to live in accordance with them.

I remember how impressed Maidan. If you ended up in paradise, where you love everyone and everything – you, and you are convinced of this. You can come to anyone, to say a few words and get an incredible dose of love, care, all the light. On the Independence it was possible, and then they returned to the usual system of coordinates. Many on itself felt, as when “one is a warrior” – about how to steal and steal as demanded bribes and demand, perhaps now even in larger sizes. Evil has become very aggressive. It feels like it is coming to an end.

So we need that there be at least a small group of people, who said: we do not care, we win the election or not, it is important to bring the public a new model of behavior and to implement this model by their actions, deeds and decisions. Only then can we say that the crisis had passed.

– What is missing for the emergence of such a group?

– If you think spiritual category, lacking confidence in each other. And if sociologically-public, we do not lack the solidarity in familiar circumstances. We know how to be united on the Maidan. But under normal circumstances, when you are surrounded by wicked people like to be in solidarity? We see the blackness of each, and people see our blackness.

This is our weakness and a problem: we are ready to live in solidarity, but only with perfect people. And sinners be solidarity we can not, and they therefore do not know how. Vicious circle. We expect a saint, as a result of wallowing in a wicked whirlpool. It is a spiritual problem.

– How to solve it?

– We are all sinners by definition. Lord hopes that realizing it, we can find a way to trust, mutual respect and understanding.

– By the way, of understanding. Commenting on the recent incident with the prohibition of LGBT festival, US ambassador Dzheffri Payett stated that “intolerance in Lviv contradict European future, for which so many Ukrainians have sacrificed.” Why do local authorities and the LGBT community has not been able to meet each other?

– My personal opinion is that what happened in Lviv, was generously paid provocation. The organizers of this event, which, incidentally, were not from the city, deliberately going to the conflict. Looking at those who broke them, too, you can see the elements of the order. Someone needed picture anti-European Lviv to the Dutch referendum, the answer was “no.”

However, I do not want to downplay the issue, saying that in Ukraine and particularly in Lviv, everyone loves the LGBT community. No. It is one thing to fight for their rights, and the other – to show their identity so as to cause a sharp rejection of the religious people.

What purpose was the organizers? Teach tolerance of the community? If they have such a purpose for this would need no gay parades and labor helotic work to convey the idea that we are all different, each with its own identity, respectively, for all of us to live in peace.

And in this particular case, I saw a lot of wickedness, provoking pride.

– Now Ukrainians attention again focused on the struggle for the premiership. In your opinion: Is a change for the better in castling?

– I do not rule out any positive effects. It would be irresponsible to deny a priori any possible positive side castling. People are trying, people want to make a difference – let me be.

What I do not believe – is that the current team of deputies and government officials in Ukraine is ready to make a radical change in the system. I do not believe it, even being on the Maidan, seen in front of the then opposition parties that were in power today. I am grateful for the fact that they kept the Ukraine, saved her from the abyss that opened up in front of her. Honor and praise them.

But Ukraine can change only when clearly realize that this system is incorrect. A current and a government and the presidential team – people who want to save Ukraine from the old system means.

Acting by the old methods, it is possible to temporarily prevent the fall of Ukraine, but radically change the country will not work. The reforms that have been adopted, remind me of the old road patching. Something patched where it became easier to drive. But I can smell the scent of the old Soviet way, on which we are still going. In order to build a new one, you need to act radically: remove the layer completely and give a new foundation. And on it – a new canvas.

– One day, recalling the resilience and courage of Hope Savchenko, you said that “dictators are afraid more than we: it is learned all political prisoners times the resistance movement.” Can we assume that under the pressure of his fear dictator Kremlin’s prisoner release to freedom?

– The fact is that if he was spiritually strong and confident, it would long ago have released it. Strong people are not afraid that they will think about, they make decisions when they dictates of conscience.

Vladimir Putin is weak and a notorious man. It does not find the reason, the reasons for the order to release the Hope, a disaster. I’m not talking about the fact that this system does not like to let go of people. Situation, when the Soviet or kvazisovetskaya, that is the Russian system to let their victims, are unique.

– In one interview you recall that the main purpose of your conclusion at the time, and after him, was not embittered. On or in the whole world?

– This is the interrelated things. Not angry with their abusers, we can reformulate. Do not live thinking about how to take revenge. It is important. It’s one thing when you’re living with the idea of ​​justice, to restore order. Hatred, anger, negative feelings for that you do not need. You light think about how you can correct the situation.

If you think about revenge, hatred is the inevitable companion. And then you will only think about the wrongs that have been in the past. It dooms walk with his head turned in the past, not the future. I do not want it at all. I want to look to the future.

Frankly, while suffering in the camps, I believe the grace of God. Yes, it was necessary to receive calls of destiny. Yes, I stood on the brink of life and death. But it has made me a different person, I have appeared “backbone” changed world.

God never takes away from everything human. Something takes, but then bestows great. A person who is able to see it, never want to take revenge on instruments that God used.

– The war, which continues to the east – one more test. How long will our society to stop dividing people into “us”, “alien”, “Lviv”, “Donetsk”, “Kiev”?

– If we come out of a sense of revenge, then all of this will be delayed for a long time, and who knows, will there ever be peace in Ukraine.

But I can imagine a situation in which it is the regions that today cause us indignation and some malice, in certain circumstances, can become engines of development of Ukraine.

Давайте представим: справедливость восторжествовала — Крым возвращается Украине. Но возвращается он в руки не украинских чиновников, которые отчасти в ответе за сложившуюся ситуацию, а в руки настоящих хозяев этой земли — крымских татар. Я бывал в Крыму и посещал кофейни, дома, принадлежащие крымским татарам. Это же была ляля! Они так любят эту землю, что никогда не смогут ей навредить. Только те, у кого нет кровной привязанности, способны на то, что сейчас делает этническое российское или русскоязычное население. Эту землю, будь она отдана крымским татарам, мы бы не узнали. Они бы превратили её в сад.

Similarly, with the Donetsk team. I remember how during the reign of Yanukovych, I concluded: his countrymen – very dynamic, ambitious, nelenivyh people. The only negative – the wrong value basis. In a short span of time they impose on Ukraine exactly the diabolical, irregular basis.

But we put this dynamism on the right spiritual foundation, they would become the locomotive of Ukraine.

– To do this, we need reforms in education?

– In education, too. But education – this decade. And I say that we need a rebirth now. Today’s young people, in a sense, already formed. I am very much looking forward to from her, because she is not a carrier of stereotypes, the older generation.

But we still do not know how to use it. Where young people now? Where her voice in decision-making in our country? Everything is decided by adult uncle, who pushed the young people even during the Maidan, although it actually began with the youth.

This is the first generation that is not the generation of “homo Sovieticus” it will declare itself decisive action – and only then we will change.

Despite the huge number of enthusiasts during the first Maidan representatives of the new generation have not been able to express themselves. But they did it in the second, they – the second generation of the Maidan.

– Can we say that the second Maidan turned out better than the first?

– They won, so I am convinced that from this point of view, were both successful. Speaking of failure or failure, we have in mind the political consequences. But the Ukrainian Maidan were not political revolutions – it is first of all spiritual phenomena. See the spiritual changes more difficult, political – it is easier. The latter really is not enough.

Maidan The aim was to change not just the political parameters and the mentality of the vast country, of all people, from head to toe.

Some animals change their skin all at once – and Ukraine. It seemed at one point, several efforts trying this old skin to relieve himself.

This is a global change, I can only be compared with the adoption of Christianity in Russia. And living as if the “inside” of transformation, of course, it seems that “all is lost”. I am an optimist who sees the huge potential of the Ukrainian people. I was delighted with the words British expert Sherry: “Ukraine – a country with a weak state and strong civil society in Russia – a country with a strong state and a weak civil society.”.

But we still demand: “We want a strong state, as in Russia!” He will not have this. We have a different nature, we the civil society on the other spiritual foundation is necessary to put. Then the government will have to reckon with the civil society.

– How do you feel, whether the third Maidan?

– I’m afraid to call it the third Maidan, because I always hear: “Third Independence – Independence of revenge.”

I do not want revenge Maidan. I want a spiritual phenomenon. We need one more push to throw off the old skin.

– What books have impressed you so much that you are advised to read them?

– You probably expect that will call the name of a Western intellectual who writes about unlocking the meaning of life. And I find it in the Bible. I do not say, of course, you need only read it. But in this book you can always see something new. Such continuous dialogue with me and the book Mary Valltorta “Bogocholovіk”.

Shevchenko is now urgent as ever. Take now “Kobzarik” open – yes, he yells about what is happening.

Ukraine need solidarity? Read “The Three Musketeers,” Dumas. There is love, friendship, and support – all that is so necessary to us today. None of intellectual research has not made such an impression on me, as this book.

– Whom Ukrainian society should be grateful for a human rights defender and journalist Miroslav Marynovych? Who shaped you as a person?

– First of all, his mother and sister. They were my support, formed the world, given the spiritual basis of life. And yet this fellow dissidents and their relatives. I think of these people as the door closed prison cell, and I was left alone. Already there was no one to help me, not to anyone was to play the role. Nevertheless, I always thought of them, those who remained behind the scenes, and I knew I could not let them blame me for some things.

Many of these people are no longer alive. I remember them with great gratitude and thank God for what they have been in my life.

Interviewed by Anna Sinyaschik

Miroslav Marinović – dissident, human rights activist, journalist, theologian, founder of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, the organizer of amnisterskogo movement in Ukraine, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv, a member of the initiative group “First of December” and Nestorovskoy group

Sourse, 14/04/2016

The Catholic Church for the sake of ephemeral “dialogue with Moscow” missed the truth

February 15, 2016

The meeting of the Pope and the Patriarch of Moscow found epochal failures Vatican diplomats who can not look out into the real world, says Miroslav Marinović, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University, a former political prisoner, a Ukrainian human rights activist and founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group.

“Dad had an opportunity to defend the interests of the offended Russian aggression had but did not use it.”, – notes Marinovic in his article in the “Ukrainian Truth”.

He is convinced that the Cuban declaration two primates is designed so that about Russia it refers to as a region, “an unprecedented revival of the Christian faith”, where there is the opportunity to “practice their religion freely,” while the alarm appears only when it comes to other countries.

“The Cuban declaration of the Pope and the Patriarch of Moscow is a vivid illustration of several things: the indisputable victory of the FSB and the Kremlin, with all their obedient tools, to which I refer, and the Russian Orthodox Church, and the total defeat of Ukrainian public diplomacy at the Vatican and the apparent lack of it Information Service by the UGCC; helpless blindness and incompetence of the Vatican diplomacy, which is easy to confuse peaceful lexicon; and alarming failure of influential circles of Europe decode deceitful formulas Putin’s propaganda “- Marinovic said.

“That’s why I have a pain conclude on the issue of Ukraine and the Russian Catholic Church for the sake of ephemeral” dialogue with Moscow “once again missed with the truth”, – he stressed.

Joint Declaration of Pope Francis and the head of the Russian Orthodox Church Kirill (Gundyaeva) was signed at the airport in Havana February 12. Ukrainian translation posted on the site, “Vatican Radio”. The Russian version – on the site of the ROC.

Sourse, 14/02/2016

Maidan-2016 in Ukraine, is it real?

January 5, 2016

Ukraine needs to develop, rather than return to a state of Kuchma’s regime. This was stated by Ukrainian human rights activist and founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University Myroslav Marinovic.

According to him, a stalemate has to be resolved in 2016, has evolved in the Ukrainian parliament.

“I have a feeling that, in political terms, was fastened a knot that can not be cut. The main war, which implicitly is in Ukraine, a war between the oligarchs and the people reform society, who want to implement the mandate received from the Maidan. This is a power struggle, I think, in 2016 resolved “, – said the expert.

According to founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, in 2016 we should not exclude the possibility of protests.

“The government must listen to the voice of society, sounded very drastic way. But I am opposed to emotional appeals, figuratively speaking, “all on the forks.” I want this government was a political alternative, but in a democratic sense of the word. Ukraine needs to develop, rather than return to a state of Kuchma’s regime, “- says human rights activist.

At the same time, Miroslav Marinović does not believe in “the third Maidan-2016.”

“Politically there is no alternative. All these radicals such as Lyashko – is not an option. This emotion, beyond which you should not clear Ukraine’s reform program. So I would be very worried if the third Maidan seized power radicals that can destroy, but can not create anything meaningful, “- concluded Marinovic.

Sourse, 04/01/2016

Not convicted crimes comes back

September 22, 2015

Seven years in the camps and five years in exile – as Miroslav Marinović has received from the Soviet government for what was one of the founders of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group. He says he lived behind bars spiritually rich, richer lives, than it is now. Dissident and human rights activist, member of the initiative “First of December”, the vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University has recently entered into a three of the major moral authorities of Ukraine according to the magazine “New Era”. During the discussion, “Lessons of History” in Lviv Mr Marinovic spoke about the main dilemma of the Soviet era, which again becomes relevant.

– It is a struggle between the instinct of self-preservation ( “not put out because srezhut”) and the voice of conscience, the natural human desire to do good that is given to him at birth. In Soviet times, this struggle gave rise to two types of personality. The first type – people who completely obey the instinct of self-preservation – the so-called homo soveticus. People willing to hide in a crack, to protect themselves from evil. The second type – the people that won the voice of conscience, and who became dissidents and joined the resistance movement.

error dissidents

This dilemma is returned. She, like Halley’s comet, which rotates around the sun, sometimes approaching Earth. Only every new generation, every era attaches to this dilemma the new parameters. Today, it is relevant for Ukraine, and for the world. On the one hand – a security issue: how to prevent World War III? How not to annoy Putin, that he did not destroy Ukraine? And on the other, how to protect the values ​​that underpin human civilization, for which twice went Maidan? Again a struggle between the instinct of self-preservation and the call of morality.

The main reason that this dilemma is returned, is that we are not condemned the crimes of communism, not expiated his sin. Partial responsibility for this lies with the dissidents.

In the early ’90s we did not want to carry out a new Nuremberg trial. It was important not to punish past and make a new social contract. The crimes of the communist regime, it seemed to me so obvious that the Communists themselves are aware of them and want to live a new life. I compared the crimes of communism with the crime of Cain, which, as we know from the Bible, is subject only to the judgment of God. It believed that if we manage to overcome the spiritual communism, we will be able to do without formal legal judgment. That was a mistake.

communist crime turned Kuchma crimes period, a symbol which is Georgiy Gongadze. Crimes Kuchma period were not, despite the slogan of “bandits – the prison,” convicted after the Orange Revolution. Political prisoners soon became political opponents and chase them was impossible. Consequently, crimes Yanukovych Kuchma period turned into crimes, which also are still not punished and condemned. Still there are untouchables, those people that for reasons of political expediency is still justice.

error in Europe

War of 1939 started two world monster – the Nazi regime in Germany and the communist Soviet regime. They began this deadly tango together, and then one of them turned their weapons against the other, and they came together in battle.

Soviet troops invaded Finland – this is definitely the culprit. And the very soldiers deploying weapons against the Nazis, became a conquering hero. This dual role of the Soviet Union in World War II – the role of the forces started the war itself it victoriously completed – are now involves much confusion.

According to West, suffering and heroism in the “Soviet people” during the war, give a moral right not to look into the crimes of the Gulag, not to think of Stalin’s purges. So we have a double standard in the treatment of the crimes of those times. The world heard the screams of people being tortured in the cellars of the Gestapo, but heard cries of tortured NKVD.

Timothy Snyder wrote that there is a difference in the historical memory of Western and Eastern Europe. East has experienced in the twentieth century two terrible totalitarian regime, and the West must recognize and rethink it. Victory over nazism should not close our eyes to the other side of the Soviet regime – criminal. “Can a prisoner who died in Vorkuta, to be happy, that died in Dachau?” – he wrote the Polish philosopher Leszek Kolakowski.

After the fall of the Third Reich in Germany held a hearing. After the fall of the Polish People’s Republic Voytseh Yaruzelsky also appeared before the court, though he was promised immunity. However, in the early 90’s the Germans tried to convince me: “Do not do Nuremberg-2, it is not necessary!”. Even more than once at the German-Ukrainian readings – and this was the time when Viktor Yushchenko finally raised to the national level the issue of Holodomor – the whole German delegation attacked the Ukrainians: “What are you doing Why raise this topic it not? realize that it mocks Russia, you’ll have new challenges? “.

So, the rule of law has worked in Europe, but she tried to block or at least delay a similar process in the post-Soviet space. These delays have led to what is already current generation must pay the price for the communist crimes. It seems to me that Heavenly hundreds, and soldiers killed at the front – the victim of what communism was not convicted in a timely manner. And part of the responsibility for what is happening today in Ukraine is on Europe.

Sourse, 21/09/2015

The formula of struggle

August 22, 2015

As a dissident Miroslav Marinović, who was convicted by a Soviet court for lying and anti-Soviet propaganda, it became one of the most influential people in today’s Ukraine and the head of one of the best universities.

In the Perm prison, a group of prisoners as a heated argument with a supervisor. Parties clearly do not find a common language. And then passed them prisoner. “Oh, so he will not lie! Come, please!” – refers to the prisoner overseer Miroslav Marinović. The irony lies in the fact that the Ukrainian dissident who had the reputation in prison honest and uncompromising man was sentenced for lying and anti-Soviet agitation.

Marinovic, known as an anti-Soviet, Soviet special services and a cheat, really would lie not. Being on the side of truth – his credo. Since the end of 1960 – even from his student years – the principles of life and a heightened sense of justice forced him to defend the rights in a regulated framework of the Soviet regime the country.

he said that even in the most terrible moments when he thought he was dying, never regretted his position. “Good does not win every battle, but winning the war – now says Marinovic – This perspective was in me from the beginning. I’ll be on the side of good, even if I lose.”

Now Marinovic stands good in the Ukrainian Catholic University (UCU), which is cited as the most progressive universities in the country. He – the permanent vice-rector of the institution, which is just 13 years of existence, has become one of the best sites for the training of journalists and business executives. According to international research firm Hay Group, UCU among the top five Ukrainian universities, whose popularity is growing rapidly.

In addition, the dissident works in the so-called Nestorovskoy group that develops after euromaidan vision of Ukraine’s mission. The document, which happens as a result, will form the basis of the country strategy. A similar experience in intellectual is already there: in the early 2000s, he developed a similar document for the city, which as a result has helped him become one of the most successful Russian cities.

The right to the word

At the time of the conclusion – seven years in prison and five years of exile – Marinovic was only 27 years old. By the time he has already weighed in dissident circles of Ukraine, as well as an impressive list of sins in the folder of the KGB investigators.

Collect dirt on the young Ukrainian nationalist state security began in the years of his studies at the Lviv Polytechnic, where he had the imprudence to criticize the Soviet system. The first serious warning Marinovic was in 1973, when with friends laid flowers at the monument to Taras Shevchenko in Kiev. “Crime” was that he paid tribute to the officially recognized poet, who died in Russia, on May 22 – the day of his reburial in Ukraine. The commemoration of that date, the Soviet secret service was considered a manifestation of nationalism.

With Shevchenko linked another case, glorified Marynovych far outside dissident circles. In 1976, he and his friend Nikolay Matusevich during the celebration of another anniversary of the day Shevchenko’s birth, which took place in the Kiev Philharmonic, took the stage and sang Zapovit. The official program, which consisted of songs about “how good to live in a Soviet country,” and read the diary of Shevchenko in Russian, the main product of Ukrainian poet not included.

“The evening was held in Russian, and it was a slap in the face to all Ukrainian,” – explains our original Marinovic indignation: he just could not tolerate such abuse. After leaving the stage, he is a bit made secure by saying that Zapovit Shevchenko loved to Vladimir Lenin. However, the safety net has not helped. When he began to play the piano, one who arranges concerts shouted: “The concert is over!” But the audience picked up Zapovit, and when turned off the light, began to sing louder.

“It was a complete defeat of those who ran and screamed that the concert is over,” – says Marinovic.

When it was over, out of the Philharmonic Friends feared, besides the entrance stood a car, and they assumed that it sit gebisty. But right there were people who came to the concert. They surrounded the brave men and conducted to the subway.

Then the KGB Marynovych not touched. “I’m happy to have been involved in at this point – he speaks of those events is now -. Such gestures have to be among the nations, they must be equal to the Ukrainians, because it maintains people in some valuable positions, gives examples of courage.”

Arrested a young dissident in 1977. “Early in the morning the doorbell rang insistently, – recalls the day the arrest of Tamil Matusevich, the sister of his best friend Marynovych, in the apartment where they lived then -. At first, we did not open, because they understood who came, but they rang and rang.”

To arrest he was ready. By the time Marinovic was already six months in the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, human rights activities. Then there was only ten brave men who gathered evidence of violations of the rights of compatriots and tried to establish the accreditation of foreign journalists in Kyiv.

“It was the dethronement of the Soviet myth, in which millions of people believed in the west, – says about the activities of the Helsinki Group Iosif Zisels, dissident, who was also a member -. We have shown that beautiful façade lying behind him – blood and crime.”

However, the Soviet court interpreted these activities under the anti-Soviet agitation and propaganda and denounced Marynovych the maximum sentence – seven years in prison.

In the camp among the political, he quickly began to enjoy prestige, says Oles Shevchenko, who was imprisoned with Marinovic (later was a member of the Verkhovna Rada of I convocation), “came to him, to solve a conflict, difficult situation or just for advice” .

Shevchenko recalls the joint celebration of Easter in 1981. On the eve of the guards warned the prisoners that the religious rite forbidden. “But we brought bread from the dining room, and in the barracks we had jam and sunflower oil – says Shevchenko -. Of these, we blinded the passover.” For this freedom of all prisoners then sent to a punishment cell.

However Marinovic not silent: he wrote a letter to the Pope on violations of the rights of believers in Soviet prisons. “Write it was impossible, so he” wrote “his head – says Shevchenko -. And then transferred to the paper and handed it to chance.”

Surprisingly, Marynovych letter to the pontiff came, and he even held a prayer service in support of Soviet political prisoners.

Varlam Shalamov, the last Stalinist camps, wrote about them as a place where the “dehumanization”. Marinovic, on the other hand, recalls his life behind barbed wire as a time of intense spiritual growth. Firstly, in the camp, he said, he had gathered a brilliant intellectual society, including writers Nikolai Rudenko and Eugene Sverstyuk poet Zenoviy Krasivskaya.

Under their influence Marinovic started writing poems in prison, and prepared a book of the Gospel of God’s fool, who released after release. Now he argues that it is in detention found faith in God.

God willing

Return Marynovych to Ukraine coincided with the beginning of perestroika. Then he began to study theology. First there were articles on inter-church peacefulness in the newspaper of the city of Drohobych, where he settled after the conclusion. “The end of the ’80s – it was a time of religious conflicts, – he explains the choice of the theme -. I have suffered from it, I saw it absurd, unwise and unpatriotic, prejudicial to the independence of Ukraine.”

Marynovych later invited to read lectures about the history of religion in Drohobych Pedagogical University. But after studying the course of history of religion in the United States, he established and headed the Institute of Religion and Society at the Lviv Theological Academy.

In parallel, he begins to work in the department of Ukrainian Association of Amnesty International and shrugs off suggestions go into politics – he repeatedly offered to run for the MPs. Marynovych not even managed to persuade his friend, Vyacheslav Chornovil, a dissident and political prisoner, and later – the founder of the People’s Movement of Ukraine.

Now Marinovic busy that loves – scientific work at UCU. Lectures, he does not read, but from time to time speaks to students with special inspiring “sermons”. “He – our living conscience, – said Otar Dovzhenko, a journalist and professor of journalism of the university -. His presence will ensure that the Criminal Code there is no corruption, no gotchas.”

When Marinovic UCU has become one of the most dynamic universities in the country – it is constantly evolving, says journalist and media expert Evgeny Hlibovytsky, worked with Marinovic first in Univskoy group, which developed the vision of Lvov, and now – in Nestorovskoy group, which is working on a strategic vision of Ukraine.

“The group Univskoy he did an unimaginable amount of work, – enthusiastically tells Hlibovytsky -. And such a man of his status can be neglected is his religious setting Marinovic did not want to practice arrogance…”

Many familiar with it people talk about his amazing honesty and inner freedom. And talking to HB, Marinovic remembered the story of how the nearly renounced his beliefs. It was in Kiev in the early ’70s. Young Marinovic a long time could not get a job because of the intervention of the KGB. Once he was an acquaintance invited to try on a prestigious location – the editorial board of the Soviet Ukrainian Encyclopedia.

“And I’m going to an interview and say to myself, in a whisper, that if I would take on the job, May 22 at the monument to Shevchenko will not go” – is now recognized Marinovic.

He is now with shame recalls the case and adds that it is convinced that no compromise will not survive – a characteristic feature of the Soviet man. This way of thinking is still working, and that he is the reason that the country can not change radically, he says in the conclusion of the conversation. The problem of the fate of the country today for Marynovych – the most important.

Sourse, 21/08/2015

About Ukrainian education reforms and things which really unites and divides the people of one country

May 19, 2015

Miroslav Marinović, Ukrainian human rights activist and scholar of religion, founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group and organizer amnisterskogo movement in Ukraine, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv. A man whose opinions heard. Probably, most of the democratic parties of Ukraine would like to see Miroslav Francovich on their lists, but for the most Marynovych success is not measured by the steps of the career ladder. One of the most influential Ukrainians told Politeka of Ukrainian education reforms and that really unites and divides the people of a country.

Miroslav Francovich first met with the KGB in the university years – for criticizing the Soviet policy. In 27 years, Miroslav Marinović has become a founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, and since then has come under constant surveillance. And then – the charges of anti-Soviet agitation and propaganda, imprisonment and exile, 150 days in a punishment cell, and hunger strikes.

This time Miroslav Francovich refers to one of the brightest periods of his life, because that is the conclusion made, according to a human rights activist, as “the man with the backbone.” Regularly refusing all offers to enter parliament, according to its mission involvement in changing the mentality of people and speech to parliament prefers to communicate with young people.

Politeka: Independence, volunteering, united opposition of the enemy Ukrainians, but can we say that we really become one? whether society needs, in your opinion, in the transformations, or the path to unity can be considered passed?

M. Marinovic: We discussed a lot about this in Nestorovskoy group, and came to the conclusion that a nation has already been created, and now it needs to be upgraded. This problem was I could be formulated differently. On the Independence, and especially during the war with Russia, a nation united common problem and a common desire to protect themselves from the enemy. It is a powerful unifying force. But the war end sooner or later – and then what? In other words, we need to rapidly develop a positive concept of a single state, so that the people united around shared values, which are so powerfully voiced Maidan: human dignity, national and religious freedom, the rule of law, public morality and social justice. Public demand for these values ​​is – do not have enough faith in what we can for them to become successful.

Politeka: Ukraine is now going through a very difficult time, which was the legacy of a paternalistic state, in which we have lived for so long. You travel a lot, and, in your opinion, if there is Ukrainians – on both sides of the Dnieper River – a desire to return to a usable form of life as paternalism?

M. Marinovic: Actually, we are from a paternalistic state has not yet emerged. Of course, society has changed significantly compared with Soviet times, but a chronic state management system is not dismantled. We still make the “hole course” repair the old Soviet way. Oligarchic system abuses paternalistic instincts of the population does not develop small and medium-sized businesses – that is, precisely those who overcame a paternalistic stereotypes. Therefore, Ukraine has not yet sounded the march “Farewell of Slav”, but the truth and that we are already very close to this. But regional differences are insignificant, and sometimes in Dnepropetrovsk can be found a more dynamic business elite than in Galicia.

Politeka: In his publications and interviews You’re saying that the Ukrainians are united East and West, they have the same expectations and aspirations. But why, in that case, there is a conflict where the line that divides people?

M. Marinovic: The border does exist, but it is mobile. In the early 1990s, it was held on Zbruch. While in Galicia were intensive processes of ideological and religious restructuring – then point the finger at Galicia as a region with an expressive “inflammation”. Presidential and parliamentary elections later times indicated that this boundary initially approached the Dnieper, then spread through him and to “win” the north of Ukraine. Then he stopped, having fenced off a so-called South East. Today, “inflammation” is precisely in this part of the country. Gone was the homogeneity of the local political orientations, once a single monolith disintegrated into fragments, which are active – in pain and agony – looking for a new identity. Technically, one could say that the occupied territories of the Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk regions just passed a new frontier, but this conclusion may be premature. Nobody spent here independent surveys, and the consequences of the occupation for many may be unexpected. Therefore, we will not jump to conclusions, let us instead build a free and democratic Ukraine – and let God do the rest.

Politeka: Besides the fact that different regions of Ukraine are carriers of different ideologies, they speak at least two languages. Periodically there talk of “non-discrimination of the Russian language.” A striking example – “language law” Kolesnichenko-Kivalov, which could exacerbate the division of society. Euromaidan virtually removed this item from the agenda, but the problem remained. Which can reduce the degree of confrontation and, if possible, remove the language issue? And whether it is necessary Ukraine approved at the state level bilingualism?

M. Marinovic: Model of two state languages ​​in Ukraine is bad, and therefore unacceptable. It is not conducive to the public understanding, but on the contrary, it would be complicating. It’s like that line up on the stadium runners on long distances on the same starting line, ignoring the fact that they then have to run different distances. This ostentatious justice that turns into a lie. Because of the long period Russification Ukrainian language has to “run” at a much greater range and therefore legal handicap should be mandatory for it. But the language problem actually is an instrument of the evil policies when for “bilingualism” the idea of ​​hiding the idea of ​​Russian monolingualism in the already non-Ukrainian state. Moses Fishbein well remarked, saying: “The danger is not in the fact that Russian will become the second state, and that the state would become the second Russian. ” Independence has twice confirmed that when people are equally defend the Ukrainian statehood and dignity, the voltage of the language problem simply disappears.

Politeka: There is much talk about the fact that reforms and promises are not met, does not change anything at all. People are starting to get tired. Do you think that’s what the Ukrainians can cause disappointment in what is happening in the country?

M. Marinovic: The other day I had an interesting conversation with an American who knows the Ukraine. It is not surprising slowness of reforms and maximalism of Ukrainians who want at a time “to jump to Heaven” and not able to see those real changes that are already transforming their lives. Here it harms not just the desire for more and utopian hope that everything can change quickly, and psychological fatigue, if everything does not happen immediately. But the Anglo-Saxons, according to my companion, well aware that the long journey can be overcome only small but successful steps. Therefore, we must believe in the Ukraine, and keep in mind that these steps do not have to “someone in Kiev”, but we ourselves.

Politeka: One way or another, but quite most of the news and conversations are now feykovye. Staged events, rumors, subjectivity (subjectivity especially influential persons), the emotions and the absence of a critical attitude to the news – all these factors affect the information field and, accordingly, those who follow him. We are all aware of the propaganda machine of the Russian Federation, but why produce false Ukrainian opinion leaders, consciously designed it? How to resist the lies?

M. Marinovic: Lie there for as long as humanity exists. This utopia – to think that you can get rid of it. But the feature of present-day time becomes a man’s inability to distinguish between truth and lies – and this is a great danger. Previously, the Soviet regime was forced to put the jammers, because people had enough to hear the voice of the free world – and they recognize the truth. Today, Putin’s regime jammers are not necessary – people already zombified so that it is not able to distinguish truth from falsehood. It is because our goal – to restore to the people the proper value basis, which is able to save the situation.

Politeka: How do you assess the establishment of the Anti-Corruption Bureau? Do I need to lyustrirovat officials stole millions from the budget, or whether they need to be immediately judged?

M. Marinovic: Ukraine must act the rule of law. This means that the abuse of power crime must be punished. The question is how it is, depends on the seriousness of the crime: someone needed lyustrirovat, and someone – a judge. Justice must also be sensitive to genuine repentance and be able to distinguish it from evil justifications “Kolyadniki-judges.”

Politeka: A very important question of education in Ukraine. How do you see Ukrainian higher education in five years? Which universities will remain, which will be closed due to reforms and conscious choice of students? What, in your opinion, should be changed in the system of higher education?

M. Marinovic: This question can not be answered in one sentence. The Soviet system of higher education also powerfully acted paternalism: universities have been selected freedom, instead of the state, “spoon-feed”. With this must be dealt with. Universities should receive tangible autonomy, thus becoming responsible for their status and level of education. You have to be prepared for the fact that to find a new balanced system of European education in Ukraine will not be easy – it takes time and proactive educators. But this way we must go.

Interviewed by Alla Bakr

Sourse, 18/05/2015

Decommunisation laws of Ukraine: it is necessary to go ahead

May 8, 2015

The President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko has to sign laws decommunisation. Indignation of some of the population will, in any case, but can not always look at the past.

This is a comment IA ZIK said human rights activist, journalist, theologian, founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv, Miroslav Marinović.

“I do know that these laws need to sign, implement them and do not look at those who will always cling to the past. We must go forward, “- he stressed.

According to Miroslav Marynovych, Russia spends a lot of money to Ukraine arose public indignation at about decommunisation laws. Thus, a certain part of the population is dissatisfied with the matter, Poroshenko to sign these laws or not.

“I do not exclude that the president waits until May 9. But, anyway, will be provocations. However, without doubt, the law must be signed. We have more than 20 years, we looked at those for whom it may be a trauma. As a result, they not only did not appreciate this gesture, and vice versa – have done everything to “invite” Russia and make us a semblance of civil war, “- said human rights activist.

Recall, April 9 Rada endorsed the draft law “On the condemnation of the Communist and National Socialist (Nazi) totalitarian regimes and ban their symbolism propaganda» (number 2558).

The law defines criminal Communist and Nazi regimes, which have claimed millions of Ukrainians. In Ukraine, introduced the responsibility for advocating Communist and Nazi regimes and the public use of their symbolism.

Production, distribution and use of Communist symbols, anthems of the USSR and the Ukrainian SSR shall be punished by restriction of freedom for up to five years, or imprisonment.

Also established procedures and deadlines for renaming objects that are “communist” name. On the streets of Ukrainian cities will take away the symbols and monuments that glorify the totalitarian regime functionaries.

Sourse, 07/05/2015

About Putin, remains of Soviet thinking and freedom of the nation

April 18, 2015

Vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University (UCU), human rights activist and theologian, founder of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, Miroslav Marinović – one of those people who are considered moral authorities era. He modestly calls himself an optimist, and a happy person, because the Ukraine, for which he has fought since the 70s, gained statehood, independence and freedom in his eyes.

Marinovic sooner became a dissident: 27 years, he was among the founders of the Helsinki Human Rights Group, and a year later for the unauthorized reading from the Kiev Conservatory scene poem Taras Shevchenko Zapovit sent him to seven years in a strict-regime camp and another five years in exile.

Later in his book The Gospel of God’s fool Marinovic he wrote that in the camp, despite all the hardships, it was much easier than, for example, in the Soviet army. Paradoxically, the free people in the USSR, he found behind the barbed wire, and not outside it.

In the 90 Marinovic he engaged in human rights activities, and participated in public life and at the same time repeatedly refused a political career and fame.

Today, 66-year-old theologian engaged in favorite business – working with students and formulates his own deep religious understanding of the processes taking place in Ukraine.

We meet in the main building of UCU in Lviv, in a small room in the attic of the building. In his office, littered with books and pictures, smells good freshly made coffee. Offering a traditional welcome drink Lviv, Marinovic moves closer to the table and plunged into the conversation.

Independence and war – is the next stage of growth in freedom. Naturally, we are facing in this process with growing pains. Dignity revolution gave us national solidarity – people came to the square every man for himself, and returned to the nation area. But we still do not fully understand the freedom and do not know how to use it.

It is a long and difficult process, but we want everything at once, and this results in a talk about the third Maidan. I am sure that in our power to have no enemies of the Ukrainian state, which means that there is no need to revolt. Maidan – that is our freedom, but our democracy. Today we have to learn how to create persistent political groups to defend their interests.

Frequent change of power at the same time should not frighten us. During the test, and government crises are changing rapidly, because people’s needs are changing. For example, in post-war Italy changed its authority every six months, and over the country while laughing the whole of Europe, but it was an important step in achieving the growth of freedom.

Creating a nation for a year, now we have to modernize it. This means to get rid of the Soviet paternalistic management model. The current government until it is difficult for – all they want to do everything to give. But in a country where there is war and ruined the economy it is impossible. You need to let go of people and to be honest we can not provide you, but it will create conditions for you to help yourself.

I am absolutely not afraid of the emergence in Ukraine of several centers of political influence. The main thing is that they did not divide the country issues civilizational choice – between Russia and Europe. And I’m wondering if there are any in popular support for the ex-governor of the Dnipropetrovsk region Igorya Kolomoyskogo all the same manifestations of paternalism: that someone strong solve the problem for us? And maybe the same principle we follow in our European choice? Once the Soviet Union and Russia have discredited themselves, we will go to the EU?

Each time, growing in freedom, we have to ask ourselves these questions. Otherwise, the risk is great to choose Europe, not realizing that we choose.

In vain you think that the Soviet way of thinking only in the east but not in Galicia. For example, garbage lustration – people happily rushed to administer lynch bad officials, throwing them in the trash. And this is after the dignity of the revolution, where we fought against the degradation of man, for the rule of law.

I’m back here in Galicia, say you that our courts do not know? We – the little people, and we did not achieve justice. This is the manifestation of Soviet thinking. We still do not believe in their capabilities, by virtue of the joint action. And because any number we can call ourselves anti-Communist ideology, but to show their business these ideas. Not only grow in freedom, it is important to grow in morality.

The deepest biblical revelation for me: the Promised Land can be attained only when disappear those who remember the taste of slavery in Egypt. I would like to say that we can get rid of the Soviet past, but I can not. In this great and sad lesson for Ukraine. Maidan generation – it is people with different levels of assimilation of freedom, but they appeared only after almost 20 years of independence, and these people are still too few in power. We will have to wait until the grow another generation that will fall behind the current one.

Moses meaning of 40 years in that society begins to speak the same language, see a common goal. And that’s just at this moment the prophet led people to sacred Mount Sinai. Our Sinai is yet to come.

I judge by the way behaves in our leadership, and realize that they are on the brink. People in government understand that they needed to be in power for long, because now it is important to learn in a civilized and responsible to transmit and receive power.

Preferred Position Ukrainians – to be on the side of truth, and all the time to check yourself in it . This makes it possible to survive even in a desperate situation. I remember another young first came to Moscow. Snow-covered town, a powerful imperial grandeur. Then I thought, and I decided to oppose this force? And then I met a well-known dissident General Pyotr Grigorenko and knew I wanted to be a strong and sincere with. And this feeling – that the truth is not outside the Kremlin walls, and these weak, but honest people – gave me the strength and peace of mind even in camps, under threat of death.

During the years of independence, the Russians lost the ability to distinguish between good and evil. Remember, in the Soviet era in the way of information from the West to the Soviet listeners were “jammers”? But people still understand intuitively what is true. And now “jammers” No, but it destroyed the propaganda value of any information. All deep archaic instincts – blood, revenge, death – are used to deprive people of the ability to distinguish good. This is the biggest tragedy.

Previously, the Russians were capable of empathy. But in Soviet times there was a rigidity, anger and slavish submission. Man looking like themselves justify, and therefore shows the hatred of those who are the cause of his own weakness. The fact that the Russians now do not like the Ukrainians and believe the propaganda, there is this component, “Look, they escaped, got rid of their king, and we can not.” This humiliation is transformed into hatred, and sends them to war.

Putin in this war can only be stopped by force. If Ukraine has received a lethal weapon, it would be a red line. The Kremlin would have realized that further means war situation can not be controlled. On the other hand, I have the feeling that God has given us today this fragile truce balance that we find non-obvious response to the situation. After each party, acting in its own logic, leads humanity to a third world war. How to prevent this? Where is this unusual time? Perhaps, in this dispensation for Ukraine – to escape, finding a solution?

I understand very well Hope Savchenko, her hunger strike – is a way to stay human. She, like Gogol’s hero, must outline the circle around itself, so that no evil force there has not penetrated, and the hunger strike she did. I and many of my comrades, starving in the camps were well aware that the so-totalitarian power never win. But to put a barrier between you and the power, for which you are a grain of sand – to prisoner of conscience is an important point.

Protection of human rights and the Christian faith does not get along very harmoniously in me. But the issue of choice, I do not take tragic. I do not remember any stage of his life, where such a choice would not exist. It is important not to destroy the main principle of faith – the love of God through the love of a man. If I give the privilege doctrine, injuring a person, it is wrong. But at the same time, I will always look for an opportunity to hold doctrines, without harming the person – it’s my Christian mission.

5 questions Miroslav Marinović:

– An event that you consider important in your life?

– The decision to join the Ukrainian Helsinki Group.

– What is your favorite city?

– I love the Lions, and I feel good and comfortable in Kiev. It is a city that I was saying goodbye from the car windows, taking me to the camp. And there Drohobych – the city of my childhood.

– What do you get around the city?

– Before the tram, and now because of old age to and from work gives me a university car.

– What is your monthly cost of living?

– Honestly, I do not even use all of his salary. My wife and I help a lot of relatives and friends, to circumvent minimum requirements. I think today that at least 6-8 thousand. UAH.

– What do you seek?

– I was a little worried about career, I feel very comfortable, Vice-Rector and never wanted to be a rector or a politician. More important to me not to make a career, but to be on the good side.

Sourse, 17/04/2015

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It should not be ruled out that violence, terrorist attacks and killings will become the new law of life

December 21, 2016

After the analysis of the terrible events in Aleppo, the world’s terrorist attacks and demonstration killings, it appears that the main and perhaps the main argument of the modern world has become violent.

Violence was originally the shadow of a human life, it is inherent in human nature. Remember his first manifestation – the murder of Abel by Cain. Even then, it is harmoniously entered the life of the world and became co-exist with humans.

Another thing – there have been ebbs and flows of violence. Thus, a positive period of the postwar period was after the Second World War, when humanity said to myself: «newer again» (never again – trans.). Then the world was set up to ensure that never again allow a military nightmare. Then he took a major turning point, which I appreciate as a category of zero-sum and added value.

That is, the principle of zero-sum – is “an eye for an eye,” or “I won and you lost.” It’s a formula that involves violence basis. In turn, the principle of value added – is the principle of cooperation (for the participants get more on cooperation than on the single).

After the war, European civilization adopted the principles of added value and pushed all the antagonisms that have been in Europe before. It seemed forever pushed. But it so happened, as we would.

“With a light hand,” Putin’s violence is back in our lives.

The Russian president has decided to turn the chessboard and make Europe a new force redivision of the world. Unfortunately, this principle has become contagious: many nations become agitated and began to act selfishly, not as agreed earlier.

Of course, in this situation, a lot of the blame lies with the Brussels bureaucracy as cooperation formula, which they offer, often does not satisfy the people. Therefore, the “fashion” to force to resolve the problems returned. Therefore, we should not exclude that violence, acts of terror and murder will become the new law of life.

And it gives me a great disappointment, because I thought that humanity has become much wiser.

Sourse, 20/12/2017

Let’s change the rules of the game and become successful, otherwise we devour Bolshevik mood

November 12, 2016

November 10-11 in Lviv hosts international congress of dissidents and II Crimean forum. The event is timed to the 40th anniversary of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group – association of human rights defenders, who fought against human rights violations in the Soviet Union. Talk about Congress dissidents to one of its organizers – co-founder of UHG, dissident, pro-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University Miroslavom Marinovichem.

In Ukraine, there is a possibility of a new Maidan, but such an event – it is the will of the Holy Spirit, not man. Such an opinion in an interview with «LB.ua» stated Miroslav Marinović.

“The threat is there, but I still want to believe in the natural intuition of Ukrainians. And secondly, I believe that the Maidan – the will of the Holy Spirit, not man. Here Mustafa Nye wrote in Facebook «come to the Maidan,” and people came. Well, now let write … And nothing will happen. See, it’s not because Nye wrote, “- said Marinovic.

He added that Ukraine is on the verge of great changes.

“I really believed that the second Maidan will be the last, after which everything goes forward. Now I see what is not. After such a huge edifice, as the Ukraine, it is difficult to change. A huge car you can not turn as “Zaporozhets”. I believe there will be more ups, only ask God that they were not violent. We had two successful Maidana (we done to them, that’s another issue). But they were successful, because it was the right thing. When there is violence – forget about the support of the Holy Spirit “- Marinovic said.

However, he expressed confidence that the union dissidents in Ukraine in any organization or party is unrealistic.

“This is absolutely unrealistic, and reminds me of the traditional reproach to the initiative group of the First of December -” You are, do some treatment, but why do not you take to work? Why will not the political organization, the party? Young will help you. ” No! It is older people who barely make themselves come to the meeting, and that is not all. This is impossible even to speak. Among them are many weak “- Marinovic said.

Sourse, 11/11/2016

While suffering in the camps, I believe the grace of God

April 15, 2016

Vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv, a founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, Miroslav Marinović told why he was grateful to the Soviet camp, what Putin’s weakness, and why we can not allow a third Maidan – Maidan revenge.

– In your biography there is an interesting fact: in February 1987, while in exile in Kazakhstan, you have refused to petition for clemency. Why?

– In 1987, Gorbachev had to somehow solve the problem of political prisoners. This issue has been a thorn in its relations with the West, and he wanted to get rid of it. But it was necessary to do it nicely, to present everything as “workers’ request.” Therefore, the delegation traveled to the ends of the Union, to persuade people to write letters about his repentance. In this case, the chance to go free were very high.

But when to me was such a delegation, I did not yet know. It looked like this: I came to a group of prosecutors, government officials, the KGB officers, who say: “Write an application, and you immediately released.” I laughed and said: “Listen, I have not written this statement at the beginning of his term, when well understood that if I write, I would be freed That is, I could never sit whole life And now, when I two years of exile left.. you want to buy me in the same sentence – write and you will be released, I will not write anything, all right? “.

And they ask: “Would you please give a written denial?” I was surprised, shrugged his shoulders and say, of course. And he wrote, why can not file a petition for clemency. As it turned out, it was important to get a piece of paper. “Received a letter.” My failure as failures of other dissidents who were perceived as referring to the system.

Later, I was very surprised to learn that at about the same situation was, and the patriarch Joseph Blind – and this despite the fact that he was a prisoner to the other, the Stalinist era. He also asked to state their refusal in writing, which he did. KGB methods do not change.

– Time passes, and the system does not change?

– Rapidly changing external signs, ideology, but the essence remains the lowlands. And selective justice Yanukovych – a selective Soviet justice.

And what it cost to provide medical care in the camps: if you serve the system – you will be treated if you struggle with the system – you may, for example, to open the seal, put there arsenic, and then leave and not to return to the seal closed. And this is only a small bar.

And what about the case where the doctor refused to provide medical assistance to the Russian poet Viktor Nekipelov because in addition to the chest was a cross. He was in a very serious condition, and I gave him a pectoral cross. Victor was grateful to me. A doctor came – and recoiled simply: “No, let him heal you, and I will not be treated.” The name of that “Aesculapius” Pchelnikov. He, I think, would be sitting in the dock during the Nuremberg-2, if there was such a tribunal.

– In one of your speeches you talked about the fact that all crises – economic, political – one source – the human spirit crisis. I have to say is now appropriate that the peak of the crisis on the Ukrainian society is left behind?

– No, the crisis continues to grow. Ukrainian society has made very important things – I’m talking about the Maidan. I highly appreciate the spiritual significance of the Maidan. But in Ukrainian history as it was before: we are much easier to fight for the values ​​than to live in accordance with them.

I remember how impressed Maidan. If you ended up in paradise, where you love everyone and everything – you, and you are convinced of this. You can come to anyone, to say a few words and get an incredible dose of love, care, all the light. On the Independence it was possible, and then they returned to the usual system of coordinates. Many on itself felt, as when “one is a warrior” – about how to steal and steal as demanded bribes and demand, perhaps now even in larger sizes. Evil has become very aggressive. It feels like it is coming to an end.

So we need that there be at least a small group of people, who said: we do not care, we win the election or not, it is important to bring the public a new model of behavior and to implement this model by their actions, deeds and decisions. Only then can we say that the crisis had passed.

– What is missing for the emergence of such a group?

– If you think spiritual category, lacking confidence in each other. And if sociologically-public, we do not lack the solidarity in familiar circumstances. We know how to be united on the Maidan. But under normal circumstances, when you are surrounded by wicked people like to be in solidarity? We see the blackness of each, and people see our blackness.

This is our weakness and a problem: we are ready to live in solidarity, but only with perfect people. And sinners be solidarity we can not, and they therefore do not know how. Vicious circle. We expect a saint, as a result of wallowing in a wicked whirlpool. It is a spiritual problem.

– How to solve it?

– We are all sinners by definition. Lord hopes that realizing it, we can find a way to trust, mutual respect and understanding.

– By the way, of understanding. Commenting on the recent incident with the prohibition of LGBT festival, US ambassador Dzheffri Payett stated that “intolerance in Lviv contradict European future, for which so many Ukrainians have sacrificed.” Why do local authorities and the LGBT community has not been able to meet each other?

– My personal opinion is that what happened in Lviv, was generously paid provocation. The organizers of this event, which, incidentally, were not from the city, deliberately going to the conflict. Looking at those who broke them, too, you can see the elements of the order. Someone needed picture anti-European Lviv to the Dutch referendum, the answer was “no.”

However, I do not want to downplay the issue, saying that in Ukraine and particularly in Lviv, everyone loves the LGBT community. No. It is one thing to fight for their rights, and the other – to show their identity so as to cause a sharp rejection of the religious people.

What purpose was the organizers? Teach tolerance of the community? If they have such a purpose for this would need no gay parades and labor helotic work to convey the idea that we are all different, each with its own identity, respectively, for all of us to live in peace.

And in this particular case, I saw a lot of wickedness, provoking pride.

– Now Ukrainians attention again focused on the struggle for the premiership. In your opinion: Is a change for the better in castling?

– I do not rule out any positive effects. It would be irresponsible to deny a priori any possible positive side castling. People are trying, people want to make a difference – let me be.

What I do not believe – is that the current team of deputies and government officials in Ukraine is ready to make a radical change in the system. I do not believe it, even being on the Maidan, seen in front of the then opposition parties that were in power today. I am grateful for the fact that they kept the Ukraine, saved her from the abyss that opened up in front of her. Honor and praise them.

But Ukraine can change only when clearly realize that this system is incorrect. A current and a government and the presidential team – people who want to save Ukraine from the old system means.

Acting by the old methods, it is possible to temporarily prevent the fall of Ukraine, but radically change the country will not work. The reforms that have been adopted, remind me of the old road patching. Something patched where it became easier to drive. But I can smell the scent of the old Soviet way, on which we are still going. In order to build a new one, you need to act radically: remove the layer completely and give a new foundation. And on it – a new canvas.

– One day, recalling the resilience and courage of Hope Savchenko, you said that “dictators are afraid more than we: it is learned all political prisoners times the resistance movement.” Can we assume that under the pressure of his fear dictator Kremlin’s prisoner release to freedom?

– The fact is that if he was spiritually strong and confident, it would long ago have released it. Strong people are not afraid that they will think about, they make decisions when they dictates of conscience.

Vladimir Putin is weak and a notorious man. It does not find the reason, the reasons for the order to release the Hope, a disaster. I’m not talking about the fact that this system does not like to let go of people. Situation, when the Soviet or kvazisovetskaya, that is the Russian system to let their victims, are unique.

– In one interview you recall that the main purpose of your conclusion at the time, and after him, was not embittered. On or in the whole world?

– This is the interrelated things. Not angry with their abusers, we can reformulate. Do not live thinking about how to take revenge. It is important. It’s one thing when you’re living with the idea of ​​justice, to restore order. Hatred, anger, negative feelings for that you do not need. You light think about how you can correct the situation.

If you think about revenge, hatred is the inevitable companion. And then you will only think about the wrongs that have been in the past. It dooms walk with his head turned in the past, not the future. I do not want it at all. I want to look to the future.

Frankly, while suffering in the camps, I believe the grace of God. Yes, it was necessary to receive calls of destiny. Yes, I stood on the brink of life and death. But it has made me a different person, I have appeared “backbone” changed world.

God never takes away from everything human. Something takes, but then bestows great. A person who is able to see it, never want to take revenge on instruments that God used.

– The war, which continues to the east – one more test. How long will our society to stop dividing people into “us”, “alien”, “Lviv”, “Donetsk”, “Kiev”?

– If we come out of a sense of revenge, then all of this will be delayed for a long time, and who knows, will there ever be peace in Ukraine.

But I can imagine a situation in which it is the regions that today cause us indignation and some malice, in certain circumstances, can become engines of development of Ukraine.

Давайте представим: справедливость восторжествовала — Крым возвращается Украине. Но возвращается он в руки не украинских чиновников, которые отчасти в ответе за сложившуюся ситуацию, а в руки настоящих хозяев этой земли — крымских татар. Я бывал в Крыму и посещал кофейни, дома, принадлежащие крымским татарам. Это же была ляля! Они так любят эту землю, что никогда не смогут ей навредить. Только те, у кого нет кровной привязанности, способны на то, что сейчас делает этническое российское или русскоязычное население. Эту землю, будь она отдана крымским татарам, мы бы не узнали. Они бы превратили её в сад.

Similarly, with the Donetsk team. I remember how during the reign of Yanukovych, I concluded: his countrymen – very dynamic, ambitious, nelenivyh people. The only negative – the wrong value basis. In a short span of time they impose on Ukraine exactly the diabolical, irregular basis.

But we put this dynamism on the right spiritual foundation, they would become the locomotive of Ukraine.

– To do this, we need reforms in education?

– In education, too. But education – this decade. And I say that we need a rebirth now. Today’s young people, in a sense, already formed. I am very much looking forward to from her, because she is not a carrier of stereotypes, the older generation.

But we still do not know how to use it. Where young people now? Where her voice in decision-making in our country? Everything is decided by adult uncle, who pushed the young people even during the Maidan, although it actually began with the youth.

This is the first generation that is not the generation of “homo Sovieticus” it will declare itself decisive action – and only then we will change.

Despite the huge number of enthusiasts during the first Maidan representatives of the new generation have not been able to express themselves. But they did it in the second, they – the second generation of the Maidan.

– Can we say that the second Maidan turned out better than the first?

– They won, so I am convinced that from this point of view, were both successful. Speaking of failure or failure, we have in mind the political consequences. But the Ukrainian Maidan were not political revolutions – it is first of all spiritual phenomena. See the spiritual changes more difficult, political – it is easier. The latter really is not enough.

Maidan The aim was to change not just the political parameters and the mentality of the vast country, of all people, from head to toe.

Some animals change their skin all at once – and Ukraine. It seemed at one point, several efforts trying this old skin to relieve himself.

This is a global change, I can only be compared with the adoption of Christianity in Russia. And living as if the “inside” of transformation, of course, it seems that “all is lost”. I am an optimist who sees the huge potential of the Ukrainian people. I was delighted with the words British expert Sherry: “Ukraine – a country with a weak state and strong civil society in Russia – a country with a strong state and a weak civil society.”.

But we still demand: “We want a strong state, as in Russia!” He will not have this. We have a different nature, we the civil society on the other spiritual foundation is necessary to put. Then the government will have to reckon with the civil society.

– How do you feel, whether the third Maidan?

– I’m afraid to call it the third Maidan, because I always hear: “Third Independence – Independence of revenge.”

I do not want revenge Maidan. I want a spiritual phenomenon. We need one more push to throw off the old skin.

– What books have impressed you so much that you are advised to read them?

– You probably expect that will call the name of a Western intellectual who writes about unlocking the meaning of life. And I find it in the Bible. I do not say, of course, you need only read it. But in this book you can always see something new. Such continuous dialogue with me and the book Mary Valltorta “Bogocholovіk”.

Shevchenko is now urgent as ever. Take now “Kobzarik” open – yes, he yells about what is happening.

Ukraine need solidarity? Read “The Three Musketeers,” Dumas. There is love, friendship, and support – all that is so necessary to us today. None of intellectual research has not made such an impression on me, as this book.

– Whom Ukrainian society should be grateful for a human rights defender and journalist Miroslav Marynovych? Who shaped you as a person?

– First of all, his mother and sister. They were my support, formed the world, given the spiritual basis of life. And yet this fellow dissidents and their relatives. I think of these people as the door closed prison cell, and I was left alone. Already there was no one to help me, not to anyone was to play the role. Nevertheless, I always thought of them, those who remained behind the scenes, and I knew I could not let them blame me for some things.

Many of these people are no longer alive. I remember them with great gratitude and thank God for what they have been in my life.

Interviewed by Anna Sinyaschik

Miroslav Marinović – dissident, human rights activist, journalist, theologian, founder of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, the organizer of amnisterskogo movement in Ukraine, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv, a member of the initiative group “First of December” and Nestorovskoy group

Sourse, 14/04/2016

The Catholic Church for the sake of ephemeral “dialogue with Moscow” missed the truth

February 15, 2016

The meeting of the Pope and the Patriarch of Moscow found epochal failures Vatican diplomats who can not look out into the real world, says Miroslav Marinović, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University, a former political prisoner, a Ukrainian human rights activist and founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group.

“Dad had an opportunity to defend the interests of the offended Russian aggression had but did not use it.”, – notes Marinovic in his article in the “Ukrainian Truth”.

He is convinced that the Cuban declaration two primates is designed so that about Russia it refers to as a region, “an unprecedented revival of the Christian faith”, where there is the opportunity to “practice their religion freely,” while the alarm appears only when it comes to other countries.

“The Cuban declaration of the Pope and the Patriarch of Moscow is a vivid illustration of several things: the indisputable victory of the FSB and the Kremlin, with all their obedient tools, to which I refer, and the Russian Orthodox Church, and the total defeat of Ukrainian public diplomacy at the Vatican and the apparent lack of it Information Service by the UGCC; helpless blindness and incompetence of the Vatican diplomacy, which is easy to confuse peaceful lexicon; and alarming failure of influential circles of Europe decode deceitful formulas Putin’s propaganda “- Marinovic said.

“That’s why I have a pain conclude on the issue of Ukraine and the Russian Catholic Church for the sake of ephemeral” dialogue with Moscow “once again missed with the truth”, – he stressed.

Joint Declaration of Pope Francis and the head of the Russian Orthodox Church Kirill (Gundyaeva) was signed at the airport in Havana February 12. Ukrainian translation posted on the site, “Vatican Radio”. The Russian version – on the site of the ROC.

Sourse, 14/02/2016

Maidan-2016 in Ukraine, is it real?

January 5, 2016

Ukraine needs to develop, rather than return to a state of Kuchma’s regime. This was stated by Ukrainian human rights activist and founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University Myroslav Marinovic.

According to him, a stalemate has to be resolved in 2016, has evolved in the Ukrainian parliament.

“I have a feeling that, in political terms, was fastened a knot that can not be cut. The main war, which implicitly is in Ukraine, a war between the oligarchs and the people reform society, who want to implement the mandate received from the Maidan. This is a power struggle, I think, in 2016 resolved “, – said the expert.

According to founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, in 2016 we should not exclude the possibility of protests.

“The government must listen to the voice of society, sounded very drastic way. But I am opposed to emotional appeals, figuratively speaking, “all on the forks.” I want this government was a political alternative, but in a democratic sense of the word. Ukraine needs to develop, rather than return to a state of Kuchma’s regime, “- says human rights activist.

At the same time, Miroslav Marinović does not believe in “the third Maidan-2016.”

“Politically there is no alternative. All these radicals such as Lyashko – is not an option. This emotion, beyond which you should not clear Ukraine’s reform program. So I would be very worried if the third Maidan seized power radicals that can destroy, but can not create anything meaningful, “- concluded Marinovic.

Sourse, 04/01/2016

Not convicted crimes comes back

September 22, 2015

Seven years in the camps and five years in exile – as Miroslav Marinović has received from the Soviet government for what was one of the founders of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group. He says he lived behind bars spiritually rich, richer lives, than it is now. Dissident and human rights activist, member of the initiative “First of December”, the vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University has recently entered into a three of the major moral authorities of Ukraine according to the magazine “New Era”. During the discussion, “Lessons of History” in Lviv Mr Marinovic spoke about the main dilemma of the Soviet era, which again becomes relevant.

– It is a struggle between the instinct of self-preservation ( “not put out because srezhut”) and the voice of conscience, the natural human desire to do good that is given to him at birth. In Soviet times, this struggle gave rise to two types of personality. The first type – people who completely obey the instinct of self-preservation – the so-called homo soveticus. People willing to hide in a crack, to protect themselves from evil. The second type – the people that won the voice of conscience, and who became dissidents and joined the resistance movement.

error dissidents

This dilemma is returned. She, like Halley’s comet, which rotates around the sun, sometimes approaching Earth. Only every new generation, every era attaches to this dilemma the new parameters. Today, it is relevant for Ukraine, and for the world. On the one hand – a security issue: how to prevent World War III? How not to annoy Putin, that he did not destroy Ukraine? And on the other, how to protect the values ​​that underpin human civilization, for which twice went Maidan? Again a struggle between the instinct of self-preservation and the call of morality.

The main reason that this dilemma is returned, is that we are not condemned the crimes of communism, not expiated his sin. Partial responsibility for this lies with the dissidents.

In the early ’90s we did not want to carry out a new Nuremberg trial. It was important not to punish past and make a new social contract. The crimes of the communist regime, it seemed to me so obvious that the Communists themselves are aware of them and want to live a new life. I compared the crimes of communism with the crime of Cain, which, as we know from the Bible, is subject only to the judgment of God. It believed that if we manage to overcome the spiritual communism, we will be able to do without formal legal judgment. That was a mistake.

communist crime turned Kuchma crimes period, a symbol which is Georgiy Gongadze. Crimes Kuchma period were not, despite the slogan of “bandits – the prison,” convicted after the Orange Revolution. Political prisoners soon became political opponents and chase them was impossible. Consequently, crimes Yanukovych Kuchma period turned into crimes, which also are still not punished and condemned. Still there are untouchables, those people that for reasons of political expediency is still justice.

error in Europe

War of 1939 started two world monster – the Nazi regime in Germany and the communist Soviet regime. They began this deadly tango together, and then one of them turned their weapons against the other, and they came together in battle.

Soviet troops invaded Finland – this is definitely the culprit. And the very soldiers deploying weapons against the Nazis, became a conquering hero. This dual role of the Soviet Union in World War II – the role of the forces started the war itself it victoriously completed – are now involves much confusion.

According to West, suffering and heroism in the “Soviet people” during the war, give a moral right not to look into the crimes of the Gulag, not to think of Stalin’s purges. So we have a double standard in the treatment of the crimes of those times. The world heard the screams of people being tortured in the cellars of the Gestapo, but heard cries of tortured NKVD.

Timothy Snyder wrote that there is a difference in the historical memory of Western and Eastern Europe. East has experienced in the twentieth century two terrible totalitarian regime, and the West must recognize and rethink it. Victory over nazism should not close our eyes to the other side of the Soviet regime – criminal. “Can a prisoner who died in Vorkuta, to be happy, that died in Dachau?” – he wrote the Polish philosopher Leszek Kolakowski.

After the fall of the Third Reich in Germany held a hearing. After the fall of the Polish People’s Republic Voytseh Yaruzelsky also appeared before the court, though he was promised immunity. However, in the early 90’s the Germans tried to convince me: “Do not do Nuremberg-2, it is not necessary!”. Even more than once at the German-Ukrainian readings – and this was the time when Viktor Yushchenko finally raised to the national level the issue of Holodomor – the whole German delegation attacked the Ukrainians: “What are you doing Why raise this topic it not? realize that it mocks Russia, you’ll have new challenges? “.

So, the rule of law has worked in Europe, but she tried to block or at least delay a similar process in the post-Soviet space. These delays have led to what is already current generation must pay the price for the communist crimes. It seems to me that Heavenly hundreds, and soldiers killed at the front – the victim of what communism was not convicted in a timely manner. And part of the responsibility for what is happening today in Ukraine is on Europe.

Sourse, 21/09/2015

The formula of struggle

August 22, 2015

As a dissident Miroslav Marinović, who was convicted by a Soviet court for lying and anti-Soviet propaganda, it became one of the most influential people in today’s Ukraine and the head of one of the best universities.

In the Perm prison, a group of prisoners as a heated argument with a supervisor. Parties clearly do not find a common language. And then passed them prisoner. “Oh, so he will not lie! Come, please!” – refers to the prisoner overseer Miroslav Marinović. The irony lies in the fact that the Ukrainian dissident who had the reputation in prison honest and uncompromising man was sentenced for lying and anti-Soviet agitation.

Marinovic, known as an anti-Soviet, Soviet special services and a cheat, really would lie not. Being on the side of truth – his credo. Since the end of 1960 – even from his student years – the principles of life and a heightened sense of justice forced him to defend the rights in a regulated framework of the Soviet regime the country.

he said that even in the most terrible moments when he thought he was dying, never regretted his position. “Good does not win every battle, but winning the war – now says Marinovic – This perspective was in me from the beginning. I’ll be on the side of good, even if I lose.”

Now Marinovic stands good in the Ukrainian Catholic University (UCU), which is cited as the most progressive universities in the country. He – the permanent vice-rector of the institution, which is just 13 years of existence, has become one of the best sites for the training of journalists and business executives. According to international research firm Hay Group, UCU among the top five Ukrainian universities, whose popularity is growing rapidly.

In addition, the dissident works in the so-called Nestorovskoy group that develops after euromaidan vision of Ukraine’s mission. The document, which happens as a result, will form the basis of the country strategy. A similar experience in intellectual is already there: in the early 2000s, he developed a similar document for the city, which as a result has helped him become one of the most successful Russian cities.

The right to the word

At the time of the conclusion – seven years in prison and five years of exile – Marinovic was only 27 years old. By the time he has already weighed in dissident circles of Ukraine, as well as an impressive list of sins in the folder of the KGB investigators.

Collect dirt on the young Ukrainian nationalist state security began in the years of his studies at the Lviv Polytechnic, where he had the imprudence to criticize the Soviet system. The first serious warning Marinovic was in 1973, when with friends laid flowers at the monument to Taras Shevchenko in Kiev. “Crime” was that he paid tribute to the officially recognized poet, who died in Russia, on May 22 – the day of his reburial in Ukraine. The commemoration of that date, the Soviet secret service was considered a manifestation of nationalism.

With Shevchenko linked another case, glorified Marynovych far outside dissident circles. In 1976, he and his friend Nikolay Matusevich during the celebration of another anniversary of the day Shevchenko’s birth, which took place in the Kiev Philharmonic, took the stage and sang Zapovit. The official program, which consisted of songs about “how good to live in a Soviet country,” and read the diary of Shevchenko in Russian, the main product of Ukrainian poet not included.

“The evening was held in Russian, and it was a slap in the face to all Ukrainian,” – explains our original Marinovic indignation: he just could not tolerate such abuse. After leaving the stage, he is a bit made secure by saying that Zapovit Shevchenko loved to Vladimir Lenin. However, the safety net has not helped. When he began to play the piano, one who arranges concerts shouted: “The concert is over!” But the audience picked up Zapovit, and when turned off the light, began to sing louder.

“It was a complete defeat of those who ran and screamed that the concert is over,” – says Marinovic.

When it was over, out of the Philharmonic Friends feared, besides the entrance stood a car, and they assumed that it sit gebisty. But right there were people who came to the concert. They surrounded the brave men and conducted to the subway.

Then the KGB Marynovych not touched. “I’m happy to have been involved in at this point – he speaks of those events is now -. Such gestures have to be among the nations, they must be equal to the Ukrainians, because it maintains people in some valuable positions, gives examples of courage.”

Arrested a young dissident in 1977. “Early in the morning the doorbell rang insistently, – recalls the day the arrest of Tamil Matusevich, the sister of his best friend Marynovych, in the apartment where they lived then -. At first, we did not open, because they understood who came, but they rang and rang.”

To arrest he was ready. By the time Marinovic was already six months in the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, human rights activities. Then there was only ten brave men who gathered evidence of violations of the rights of compatriots and tried to establish the accreditation of foreign journalists in Kyiv.

“It was the dethronement of the Soviet myth, in which millions of people believed in the west, – says about the activities of the Helsinki Group Iosif Zisels, dissident, who was also a member -. We have shown that beautiful façade lying behind him – blood and crime.”

However, the Soviet court interpreted these activities under the anti-Soviet agitation and propaganda and denounced Marynovych the maximum sentence – seven years in prison.

In the camp among the political, he quickly began to enjoy prestige, says Oles Shevchenko, who was imprisoned with Marinovic (later was a member of the Verkhovna Rada of I convocation), “came to him, to solve a conflict, difficult situation or just for advice” .

Shevchenko recalls the joint celebration of Easter in 1981. On the eve of the guards warned the prisoners that the religious rite forbidden. “But we brought bread from the dining room, and in the barracks we had jam and sunflower oil – says Shevchenko -. Of these, we blinded the passover.” For this freedom of all prisoners then sent to a punishment cell.

However Marinovic not silent: he wrote a letter to the Pope on violations of the rights of believers in Soviet prisons. “Write it was impossible, so he” wrote “his head – says Shevchenko -. And then transferred to the paper and handed it to chance.”

Surprisingly, Marynovych letter to the pontiff came, and he even held a prayer service in support of Soviet political prisoners.

Varlam Shalamov, the last Stalinist camps, wrote about them as a place where the “dehumanization”. Marinovic, on the other hand, recalls his life behind barbed wire as a time of intense spiritual growth. Firstly, in the camp, he said, he had gathered a brilliant intellectual society, including writers Nikolai Rudenko and Eugene Sverstyuk poet Zenoviy Krasivskaya.

Under their influence Marinovic started writing poems in prison, and prepared a book of the Gospel of God’s fool, who released after release. Now he argues that it is in detention found faith in God.

God willing

Return Marynovych to Ukraine coincided with the beginning of perestroika. Then he began to study theology. First there were articles on inter-church peacefulness in the newspaper of the city of Drohobych, where he settled after the conclusion. “The end of the ’80s – it was a time of religious conflicts, – he explains the choice of the theme -. I have suffered from it, I saw it absurd, unwise and unpatriotic, prejudicial to the independence of Ukraine.”

Marynovych later invited to read lectures about the history of religion in Drohobych Pedagogical University. But after studying the course of history of religion in the United States, he established and headed the Institute of Religion and Society at the Lviv Theological Academy.

In parallel, he begins to work in the department of Ukrainian Association of Amnesty International and shrugs off suggestions go into politics – he repeatedly offered to run for the MPs. Marynovych not even managed to persuade his friend, Vyacheslav Chornovil, a dissident and political prisoner, and later – the founder of the People’s Movement of Ukraine.

Now Marinovic busy that loves – scientific work at UCU. Lectures, he does not read, but from time to time speaks to students with special inspiring “sermons”. “He – our living conscience, – said Otar Dovzhenko, a journalist and professor of journalism of the university -. His presence will ensure that the Criminal Code there is no corruption, no gotchas.”

When Marinovic UCU has become one of the most dynamic universities in the country – it is constantly evolving, says journalist and media expert Evgeny Hlibovytsky, worked with Marinovic first in Univskoy group, which developed the vision of Lvov, and now – in Nestorovskoy group, which is working on a strategic vision of Ukraine.

“The group Univskoy he did an unimaginable amount of work, – enthusiastically tells Hlibovytsky -. And such a man of his status can be neglected is his religious setting Marinovic did not want to practice arrogance…”

Many familiar with it people talk about his amazing honesty and inner freedom. And talking to HB, Marinovic remembered the story of how the nearly renounced his beliefs. It was in Kiev in the early ’70s. Young Marinovic a long time could not get a job because of the intervention of the KGB. Once he was an acquaintance invited to try on a prestigious location – the editorial board of the Soviet Ukrainian Encyclopedia.

“And I’m going to an interview and say to myself, in a whisper, that if I would take on the job, May 22 at the monument to Shevchenko will not go” – is now recognized Marinovic.

He is now with shame recalls the case and adds that it is convinced that no compromise will not survive – a characteristic feature of the Soviet man. This way of thinking is still working, and that he is the reason that the country can not change radically, he says in the conclusion of the conversation. The problem of the fate of the country today for Marynovych – the most important.

Sourse, 21/08/2015

About Ukrainian education reforms and things which really unites and divides the people of one country

May 19, 2015

Miroslav Marinović, Ukrainian human rights activist and scholar of religion, founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group and organizer amnisterskogo movement in Ukraine, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv. A man whose opinions heard. Probably, most of the democratic parties of Ukraine would like to see Miroslav Francovich on their lists, but for the most Marynovych success is not measured by the steps of the career ladder. One of the most influential Ukrainians told Politeka of Ukrainian education reforms and that really unites and divides the people of a country.

Miroslav Francovich first met with the KGB in the university years – for criticizing the Soviet policy. In 27 years, Miroslav Marinović has become a founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, and since then has come under constant surveillance. And then – the charges of anti-Soviet agitation and propaganda, imprisonment and exile, 150 days in a punishment cell, and hunger strikes.

This time Miroslav Francovich refers to one of the brightest periods of his life, because that is the conclusion made, according to a human rights activist, as “the man with the backbone.” Regularly refusing all offers to enter parliament, according to its mission involvement in changing the mentality of people and speech to parliament prefers to communicate with young people.

Politeka: Independence, volunteering, united opposition of the enemy Ukrainians, but can we say that we really become one? whether society needs, in your opinion, in the transformations, or the path to unity can be considered passed?

M. Marinovic: We discussed a lot about this in Nestorovskoy group, and came to the conclusion that a nation has already been created, and now it needs to be upgraded. This problem was I could be formulated differently. On the Independence, and especially during the war with Russia, a nation united common problem and a common desire to protect themselves from the enemy. It is a powerful unifying force. But the war end sooner or later – and then what? In other words, we need to rapidly develop a positive concept of a single state, so that the people united around shared values, which are so powerfully voiced Maidan: human dignity, national and religious freedom, the rule of law, public morality and social justice. Public demand for these values ​​is – do not have enough faith in what we can for them to become successful.

Politeka: Ukraine is now going through a very difficult time, which was the legacy of a paternalistic state, in which we have lived for so long. You travel a lot, and, in your opinion, if there is Ukrainians – on both sides of the Dnieper River – a desire to return to a usable form of life as paternalism?

M. Marinovic: Actually, we are from a paternalistic state has not yet emerged. Of course, society has changed significantly compared with Soviet times, but a chronic state management system is not dismantled. We still make the “hole course” repair the old Soviet way. Oligarchic system abuses paternalistic instincts of the population does not develop small and medium-sized businesses – that is, precisely those who overcame a paternalistic stereotypes. Therefore, Ukraine has not yet sounded the march “Farewell of Slav”, but the truth and that we are already very close to this. But regional differences are insignificant, and sometimes in Dnepropetrovsk can be found a more dynamic business elite than in Galicia.

Politeka: In his publications and interviews You’re saying that the Ukrainians are united East and West, they have the same expectations and aspirations. But why, in that case, there is a conflict where the line that divides people?

M. Marinovic: The border does exist, but it is mobile. In the early 1990s, it was held on Zbruch. While in Galicia were intensive processes of ideological and religious restructuring – then point the finger at Galicia as a region with an expressive “inflammation”. Presidential and parliamentary elections later times indicated that this boundary initially approached the Dnieper, then spread through him and to “win” the north of Ukraine. Then he stopped, having fenced off a so-called South East. Today, “inflammation” is precisely in this part of the country. Gone was the homogeneity of the local political orientations, once a single monolith disintegrated into fragments, which are active – in pain and agony – looking for a new identity. Technically, one could say that the occupied territories of the Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk regions just passed a new frontier, but this conclusion may be premature. Nobody spent here independent surveys, and the consequences of the occupation for many may be unexpected. Therefore, we will not jump to conclusions, let us instead build a free and democratic Ukraine – and let God do the rest.

Politeka: Besides the fact that different regions of Ukraine are carriers of different ideologies, they speak at least two languages. Periodically there talk of “non-discrimination of the Russian language.” A striking example – “language law” Kolesnichenko-Kivalov, which could exacerbate the division of society. Euromaidan virtually removed this item from the agenda, but the problem remained. Which can reduce the degree of confrontation and, if possible, remove the language issue? And whether it is necessary Ukraine approved at the state level bilingualism?

M. Marinovic: Model of two state languages ​​in Ukraine is bad, and therefore unacceptable. It is not conducive to the public understanding, but on the contrary, it would be complicating. It’s like that line up on the stadium runners on long distances on the same starting line, ignoring the fact that they then have to run different distances. This ostentatious justice that turns into a lie. Because of the long period Russification Ukrainian language has to “run” at a much greater range and therefore legal handicap should be mandatory for it. But the language problem actually is an instrument of the evil policies when for “bilingualism” the idea of ​​hiding the idea of ​​Russian monolingualism in the already non-Ukrainian state. Moses Fishbein well remarked, saying: “The danger is not in the fact that Russian will become the second state, and that the state would become the second Russian. ” Independence has twice confirmed that when people are equally defend the Ukrainian statehood and dignity, the voltage of the language problem simply disappears.

Politeka: There is much talk about the fact that reforms and promises are not met, does not change anything at all. People are starting to get tired. Do you think that’s what the Ukrainians can cause disappointment in what is happening in the country?

M. Marinovic: The other day I had an interesting conversation with an American who knows the Ukraine. It is not surprising slowness of reforms and maximalism of Ukrainians who want at a time “to jump to Heaven” and not able to see those real changes that are already transforming their lives. Here it harms not just the desire for more and utopian hope that everything can change quickly, and psychological fatigue, if everything does not happen immediately. But the Anglo-Saxons, according to my companion, well aware that the long journey can be overcome only small but successful steps. Therefore, we must believe in the Ukraine, and keep in mind that these steps do not have to “someone in Kiev”, but we ourselves.

Politeka: One way or another, but quite most of the news and conversations are now feykovye. Staged events, rumors, subjectivity (subjectivity especially influential persons), the emotions and the absence of a critical attitude to the news – all these factors affect the information field and, accordingly, those who follow him. We are all aware of the propaganda machine of the Russian Federation, but why produce false Ukrainian opinion leaders, consciously designed it? How to resist the lies?

M. Marinovic: Lie there for as long as humanity exists. This utopia – to think that you can get rid of it. But the feature of present-day time becomes a man’s inability to distinguish between truth and lies – and this is a great danger. Previously, the Soviet regime was forced to put the jammers, because people had enough to hear the voice of the free world – and they recognize the truth. Today, Putin’s regime jammers are not necessary – people already zombified so that it is not able to distinguish truth from falsehood. It is because our goal – to restore to the people the proper value basis, which is able to save the situation.

Politeka: How do you assess the establishment of the Anti-Corruption Bureau? Do I need to lyustrirovat officials stole millions from the budget, or whether they need to be immediately judged?

M. Marinovic: Ukraine must act the rule of law. This means that the abuse of power crime must be punished. The question is how it is, depends on the seriousness of the crime: someone needed lyustrirovat, and someone – a judge. Justice must also be sensitive to genuine repentance and be able to distinguish it from evil justifications “Kolyadniki-judges.”

Politeka: A very important question of education in Ukraine. How do you see Ukrainian higher education in five years? Which universities will remain, which will be closed due to reforms and conscious choice of students? What, in your opinion, should be changed in the system of higher education?

M. Marinovic: This question can not be answered in one sentence. The Soviet system of higher education also powerfully acted paternalism: universities have been selected freedom, instead of the state, “spoon-feed”. With this must be dealt with. Universities should receive tangible autonomy, thus becoming responsible for their status and level of education. You have to be prepared for the fact that to find a new balanced system of European education in Ukraine will not be easy – it takes time and proactive educators. But this way we must go.

Interviewed by Alla Bakr

Sourse, 18/05/2015

Decommunisation laws of Ukraine: it is necessary to go ahead

May 8, 2015

The President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko has to sign laws decommunisation. Indignation of some of the population will, in any case, but can not always look at the past.

This is a comment IA ZIK said human rights activist, journalist, theologian, founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv, Miroslav Marinović.

“I do know that these laws need to sign, implement them and do not look at those who will always cling to the past. We must go forward, “- he stressed.

According to Miroslav Marynovych, Russia spends a lot of money to Ukraine arose public indignation at about decommunisation laws. Thus, a certain part of the population is dissatisfied with the matter, Poroshenko to sign these laws or not.

“I do not exclude that the president waits until May 9. But, anyway, will be provocations. However, without doubt, the law must be signed. We have more than 20 years, we looked at those for whom it may be a trauma. As a result, they not only did not appreciate this gesture, and vice versa – have done everything to “invite” Russia and make us a semblance of civil war, “- said human rights activist.

Recall, April 9 Rada endorsed the draft law “On the condemnation of the Communist and National Socialist (Nazi) totalitarian regimes and ban their symbolism propaganda» (number 2558).

The law defines criminal Communist and Nazi regimes, which have claimed millions of Ukrainians. In Ukraine, introduced the responsibility for advocating Communist and Nazi regimes and the public use of their symbolism.

Production, distribution and use of Communist symbols, anthems of the USSR and the Ukrainian SSR shall be punished by restriction of freedom for up to five years, or imprisonment.

Also established procedures and deadlines for renaming objects that are “communist” name. On the streets of Ukrainian cities will take away the symbols and monuments that glorify the totalitarian regime functionaries.

Sourse, 07/05/2015

About Putin, remains of Soviet thinking and freedom of the nation

April 18, 2015

Vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University (UCU), human rights activist and theologian, founder of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, Miroslav Marinović – one of those people who are considered moral authorities era. He modestly calls himself an optimist, and a happy person, because the Ukraine, for which he has fought since the 70s, gained statehood, independence and freedom in his eyes.

Marinovic sooner became a dissident: 27 years, he was among the founders of the Helsinki Human Rights Group, and a year later for the unauthorized reading from the Kiev Conservatory scene poem Taras Shevchenko Zapovit sent him to seven years in a strict-regime camp and another five years in exile.

Later in his book The Gospel of God’s fool Marinovic he wrote that in the camp, despite all the hardships, it was much easier than, for example, in the Soviet army. Paradoxically, the free people in the USSR, he found behind the barbed wire, and not outside it.

In the 90 Marinovic he engaged in human rights activities, and participated in public life and at the same time repeatedly refused a political career and fame.

Today, 66-year-old theologian engaged in favorite business – working with students and formulates his own deep religious understanding of the processes taking place in Ukraine.

We meet in the main building of UCU in Lviv, in a small room in the attic of the building. In his office, littered with books and pictures, smells good freshly made coffee. Offering a traditional welcome drink Lviv, Marinovic moves closer to the table and plunged into the conversation.

Independence and war – is the next stage of growth in freedom. Naturally, we are facing in this process with growing pains. Dignity revolution gave us national solidarity – people came to the square every man for himself, and returned to the nation area. But we still do not fully understand the freedom and do not know how to use it.

It is a long and difficult process, but we want everything at once, and this results in a talk about the third Maidan. I am sure that in our power to have no enemies of the Ukrainian state, which means that there is no need to revolt. Maidan – that is our freedom, but our democracy. Today we have to learn how to create persistent political groups to defend their interests.

Frequent change of power at the same time should not frighten us. During the test, and government crises are changing rapidly, because people’s needs are changing. For example, in post-war Italy changed its authority every six months, and over the country while laughing the whole of Europe, but it was an important step in achieving the growth of freedom.

Creating a nation for a year, now we have to modernize it. This means to get rid of the Soviet paternalistic management model. The current government until it is difficult for – all they want to do everything to give. But in a country where there is war and ruined the economy it is impossible. You need to let go of people and to be honest we can not provide you, but it will create conditions for you to help yourself.

I am absolutely not afraid of the emergence in Ukraine of several centers of political influence. The main thing is that they did not divide the country issues civilizational choice – between Russia and Europe. And I’m wondering if there are any in popular support for the ex-governor of the Dnipropetrovsk region Igorya Kolomoyskogo all the same manifestations of paternalism: that someone strong solve the problem for us? And maybe the same principle we follow in our European choice? Once the Soviet Union and Russia have discredited themselves, we will go to the EU?

Each time, growing in freedom, we have to ask ourselves these questions. Otherwise, the risk is great to choose Europe, not realizing that we choose.

In vain you think that the Soviet way of thinking only in the east but not in Galicia. For example, garbage lustration – people happily rushed to administer lynch bad officials, throwing them in the trash. And this is after the dignity of the revolution, where we fought against the degradation of man, for the rule of law.

I’m back here in Galicia, say you that our courts do not know? We – the little people, and we did not achieve justice. This is the manifestation of Soviet thinking. We still do not believe in their capabilities, by virtue of the joint action. And because any number we can call ourselves anti-Communist ideology, but to show their business these ideas. Not only grow in freedom, it is important to grow in morality.

The deepest biblical revelation for me: the Promised Land can be attained only when disappear those who remember the taste of slavery in Egypt. I would like to say that we can get rid of the Soviet past, but I can not. In this great and sad lesson for Ukraine. Maidan generation – it is people with different levels of assimilation of freedom, but they appeared only after almost 20 years of independence, and these people are still too few in power. We will have to wait until the grow another generation that will fall behind the current one.

Moses meaning of 40 years in that society begins to speak the same language, see a common goal. And that’s just at this moment the prophet led people to sacred Mount Sinai. Our Sinai is yet to come.

I judge by the way behaves in our leadership, and realize that they are on the brink. People in government understand that they needed to be in power for long, because now it is important to learn in a civilized and responsible to transmit and receive power.

Preferred Position Ukrainians – to be on the side of truth, and all the time to check yourself in it . This makes it possible to survive even in a desperate situation. I remember another young first came to Moscow. Snow-covered town, a powerful imperial grandeur. Then I thought, and I decided to oppose this force? And then I met a well-known dissident General Pyotr Grigorenko and knew I wanted to be a strong and sincere with. And this feeling – that the truth is not outside the Kremlin walls, and these weak, but honest people – gave me the strength and peace of mind even in camps, under threat of death.

During the years of independence, the Russians lost the ability to distinguish between good and evil. Remember, in the Soviet era in the way of information from the West to the Soviet listeners were “jammers”? But people still understand intuitively what is true. And now “jammers” No, but it destroyed the propaganda value of any information. All deep archaic instincts – blood, revenge, death – are used to deprive people of the ability to distinguish good. This is the biggest tragedy.

Previously, the Russians were capable of empathy. But in Soviet times there was a rigidity, anger and slavish submission. Man looking like themselves justify, and therefore shows the hatred of those who are the cause of his own weakness. The fact that the Russians now do not like the Ukrainians and believe the propaganda, there is this component, “Look, they escaped, got rid of their king, and we can not.” This humiliation is transformed into hatred, and sends them to war.

Putin in this war can only be stopped by force. If Ukraine has received a lethal weapon, it would be a red line. The Kremlin would have realized that further means war situation can not be controlled. On the other hand, I have the feeling that God has given us today this fragile truce balance that we find non-obvious response to the situation. After each party, acting in its own logic, leads humanity to a third world war. How to prevent this? Where is this unusual time? Perhaps, in this dispensation for Ukraine – to escape, finding a solution?

I understand very well Hope Savchenko, her hunger strike – is a way to stay human. She, like Gogol’s hero, must outline the circle around itself, so that no evil force there has not penetrated, and the hunger strike she did. I and many of my comrades, starving in the camps were well aware that the so-totalitarian power never win. But to put a barrier between you and the power, for which you are a grain of sand – to prisoner of conscience is an important point.

Protection of human rights and the Christian faith does not get along very harmoniously in me. But the issue of choice, I do not take tragic. I do not remember any stage of his life, where such a choice would not exist. It is important not to destroy the main principle of faith – the love of God through the love of a man. If I give the privilege doctrine, injuring a person, it is wrong. But at the same time, I will always look for an opportunity to hold doctrines, without harming the person – it’s my Christian mission.

5 questions Miroslav Marinović:

– An event that you consider important in your life?

– The decision to join the Ukrainian Helsinki Group.

– What is your favorite city?

– I love the Lions, and I feel good and comfortable in Kiev. It is a city that I was saying goodbye from the car windows, taking me to the camp. And there Drohobych – the city of my childhood.

– What do you get around the city?

– Before the tram, and now because of old age to and from work gives me a university car.

– What is your monthly cost of living?

– Honestly, I do not even use all of his salary. My wife and I help a lot of relatives and friends, to circumvent minimum requirements. I think today that at least 6-8 thousand. UAH.

– What do you seek?

– I was a little worried about career, I feel very comfortable, Vice-Rector and never wanted to be a rector or a politician. More important to me not to make a career, but to be on the good side.

Sourse, 17/04/2015

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It should not be ruled out that violence, terrorist attacks and killings will become the new law of life

December 21, 2016

After the analysis of the terrible events in Aleppo, the world’s terrorist attacks and demonstration killings, it appears that the main and perhaps the main argument of the modern world has become violent.

Violence was originally the shadow of a human life, it is inherent in human nature. Remember his first manifestation – the murder of Abel by Cain. Even then, it is harmoniously entered the life of the world and became co-exist with humans.

Another thing – there have been ebbs and flows of violence. Thus, a positive period of the postwar period was after the Second World War, when humanity said to myself: «newer again» (never again – trans.). Then the world was set up to ensure that never again allow a military nightmare. Then he took a major turning point, which I appreciate as a category of zero-sum and added value.

That is, the principle of zero-sum – is “an eye for an eye,” or “I won and you lost.” It’s a formula that involves violence basis. In turn, the principle of value added – is the principle of cooperation (for the participants get more on cooperation than on the single).

After the war, European civilization adopted the principles of added value and pushed all the antagonisms that have been in Europe before. It seemed forever pushed. But it so happened, as we would.

“With a light hand,” Putin’s violence is back in our lives.

The Russian president has decided to turn the chessboard and make Europe a new force redivision of the world. Unfortunately, this principle has become contagious: many nations become agitated and began to act selfishly, not as agreed earlier.

Of course, in this situation, a lot of the blame lies with the Brussels bureaucracy as cooperation formula, which they offer, often does not satisfy the people. Therefore, the “fashion” to force to resolve the problems returned. Therefore, we should not exclude that violence, acts of terror and murder will become the new law of life.

And it gives me a great disappointment, because I thought that humanity has become much wiser.

Sourse, 20/12/2017

Let’s change the rules of the game and become successful, otherwise we devour Bolshevik mood

November 12, 2016

November 10-11 in Lviv hosts international congress of dissidents and II Crimean forum. The event is timed to the 40th anniversary of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group – association of human rights defenders, who fought against human rights violations in the Soviet Union. Talk about Congress dissidents to one of its organizers – co-founder of UHG, dissident, pro-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University Miroslavom Marinovichem.

In Ukraine, there is a possibility of a new Maidan, but such an event – it is the will of the Holy Spirit, not man. Such an opinion in an interview with «LB.ua» stated Miroslav Marinović.

“The threat is there, but I still want to believe in the natural intuition of Ukrainians. And secondly, I believe that the Maidan – the will of the Holy Spirit, not man. Here Mustafa Nye wrote in Facebook «come to the Maidan,” and people came. Well, now let write … And nothing will happen. See, it’s not because Nye wrote, “- said Marinovic.

He added that Ukraine is on the verge of great changes.

“I really believed that the second Maidan will be the last, after which everything goes forward. Now I see what is not. After such a huge edifice, as the Ukraine, it is difficult to change. A huge car you can not turn as “Zaporozhets”. I believe there will be more ups, only ask God that they were not violent. We had two successful Maidana (we done to them, that’s another issue). But they were successful, because it was the right thing. When there is violence – forget about the support of the Holy Spirit “- Marinovic said.

However, he expressed confidence that the union dissidents in Ukraine in any organization or party is unrealistic.

“This is absolutely unrealistic, and reminds me of the traditional reproach to the initiative group of the First of December -” You are, do some treatment, but why do not you take to work? Why will not the political organization, the party? Young will help you. ” No! It is older people who barely make themselves come to the meeting, and that is not all. This is impossible even to speak. Among them are many weak “- Marinovic said.

Sourse, 11/11/2016

While suffering in the camps, I believe the grace of God

April 15, 2016

Vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv, a founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, Miroslav Marinović told why he was grateful to the Soviet camp, what Putin’s weakness, and why we can not allow a third Maidan – Maidan revenge.

– In your biography there is an interesting fact: in February 1987, while in exile in Kazakhstan, you have refused to petition for clemency. Why?

– In 1987, Gorbachev had to somehow solve the problem of political prisoners. This issue has been a thorn in its relations with the West, and he wanted to get rid of it. But it was necessary to do it nicely, to present everything as “workers’ request.” Therefore, the delegation traveled to the ends of the Union, to persuade people to write letters about his repentance. In this case, the chance to go free were very high.

But when to me was such a delegation, I did not yet know. It looked like this: I came to a group of prosecutors, government officials, the KGB officers, who say: “Write an application, and you immediately released.” I laughed and said: “Listen, I have not written this statement at the beginning of his term, when well understood that if I write, I would be freed That is, I could never sit whole life And now, when I two years of exile left.. you want to buy me in the same sentence – write and you will be released, I will not write anything, all right? “.

And they ask: “Would you please give a written denial?” I was surprised, shrugged his shoulders and say, of course. And he wrote, why can not file a petition for clemency. As it turned out, it was important to get a piece of paper. “Received a letter.” My failure as failures of other dissidents who were perceived as referring to the system.

Later, I was very surprised to learn that at about the same situation was, and the patriarch Joseph Blind – and this despite the fact that he was a prisoner to the other, the Stalinist era. He also asked to state their refusal in writing, which he did. KGB methods do not change.

– Time passes, and the system does not change?

– Rapidly changing external signs, ideology, but the essence remains the lowlands. And selective justice Yanukovych – a selective Soviet justice.

And what it cost to provide medical care in the camps: if you serve the system – you will be treated if you struggle with the system – you may, for example, to open the seal, put there arsenic, and then leave and not to return to the seal closed. And this is only a small bar.

And what about the case where the doctor refused to provide medical assistance to the Russian poet Viktor Nekipelov because in addition to the chest was a cross. He was in a very serious condition, and I gave him a pectoral cross. Victor was grateful to me. A doctor came – and recoiled simply: “No, let him heal you, and I will not be treated.” The name of that “Aesculapius” Pchelnikov. He, I think, would be sitting in the dock during the Nuremberg-2, if there was such a tribunal.

– In one of your speeches you talked about the fact that all crises – economic, political – one source – the human spirit crisis. I have to say is now appropriate that the peak of the crisis on the Ukrainian society is left behind?

– No, the crisis continues to grow. Ukrainian society has made very important things – I’m talking about the Maidan. I highly appreciate the spiritual significance of the Maidan. But in Ukrainian history as it was before: we are much easier to fight for the values ​​than to live in accordance with them.

I remember how impressed Maidan. If you ended up in paradise, where you love everyone and everything – you, and you are convinced of this. You can come to anyone, to say a few words and get an incredible dose of love, care, all the light. On the Independence it was possible, and then they returned to the usual system of coordinates. Many on itself felt, as when “one is a warrior” – about how to steal and steal as demanded bribes and demand, perhaps now even in larger sizes. Evil has become very aggressive. It feels like it is coming to an end.

So we need that there be at least a small group of people, who said: we do not care, we win the election or not, it is important to bring the public a new model of behavior and to implement this model by their actions, deeds and decisions. Only then can we say that the crisis had passed.

– What is missing for the emergence of such a group?

– If you think spiritual category, lacking confidence in each other. And if sociologically-public, we do not lack the solidarity in familiar circumstances. We know how to be united on the Maidan. But under normal circumstances, when you are surrounded by wicked people like to be in solidarity? We see the blackness of each, and people see our blackness.

This is our weakness and a problem: we are ready to live in solidarity, but only with perfect people. And sinners be solidarity we can not, and they therefore do not know how. Vicious circle. We expect a saint, as a result of wallowing in a wicked whirlpool. It is a spiritual problem.

– How to solve it?

– We are all sinners by definition. Lord hopes that realizing it, we can find a way to trust, mutual respect and understanding.

– By the way, of understanding. Commenting on the recent incident with the prohibition of LGBT festival, US ambassador Dzheffri Payett stated that “intolerance in Lviv contradict European future, for which so many Ukrainians have sacrificed.” Why do local authorities and the LGBT community has not been able to meet each other?

– My personal opinion is that what happened in Lviv, was generously paid provocation. The organizers of this event, which, incidentally, were not from the city, deliberately going to the conflict. Looking at those who broke them, too, you can see the elements of the order. Someone needed picture anti-European Lviv to the Dutch referendum, the answer was “no.”

However, I do not want to downplay the issue, saying that in Ukraine and particularly in Lviv, everyone loves the LGBT community. No. It is one thing to fight for their rights, and the other – to show their identity so as to cause a sharp rejection of the religious people.

What purpose was the organizers? Teach tolerance of the community? If they have such a purpose for this would need no gay parades and labor helotic work to convey the idea that we are all different, each with its own identity, respectively, for all of us to live in peace.

And in this particular case, I saw a lot of wickedness, provoking pride.

– Now Ukrainians attention again focused on the struggle for the premiership. In your opinion: Is a change for the better in castling?

– I do not rule out any positive effects. It would be irresponsible to deny a priori any possible positive side castling. People are trying, people want to make a difference – let me be.

What I do not believe – is that the current team of deputies and government officials in Ukraine is ready to make a radical change in the system. I do not believe it, even being on the Maidan, seen in front of the then opposition parties that were in power today. I am grateful for the fact that they kept the Ukraine, saved her from the abyss that opened up in front of her. Honor and praise them.

But Ukraine can change only when clearly realize that this system is incorrect. A current and a government and the presidential team – people who want to save Ukraine from the old system means.

Acting by the old methods, it is possible to temporarily prevent the fall of Ukraine, but radically change the country will not work. The reforms that have been adopted, remind me of the old road patching. Something patched where it became easier to drive. But I can smell the scent of the old Soviet way, on which we are still going. In order to build a new one, you need to act radically: remove the layer completely and give a new foundation. And on it – a new canvas.

– One day, recalling the resilience and courage of Hope Savchenko, you said that “dictators are afraid more than we: it is learned all political prisoners times the resistance movement.” Can we assume that under the pressure of his fear dictator Kremlin’s prisoner release to freedom?

– The fact is that if he was spiritually strong and confident, it would long ago have released it. Strong people are not afraid that they will think about, they make decisions when they dictates of conscience.

Vladimir Putin is weak and a notorious man. It does not find the reason, the reasons for the order to release the Hope, a disaster. I’m not talking about the fact that this system does not like to let go of people. Situation, when the Soviet or kvazisovetskaya, that is the Russian system to let their victims, are unique.

– In one interview you recall that the main purpose of your conclusion at the time, and after him, was not embittered. On or in the whole world?

– This is the interrelated things. Not angry with their abusers, we can reformulate. Do not live thinking about how to take revenge. It is important. It’s one thing when you’re living with the idea of ​​justice, to restore order. Hatred, anger, negative feelings for that you do not need. You light think about how you can correct the situation.

If you think about revenge, hatred is the inevitable companion. And then you will only think about the wrongs that have been in the past. It dooms walk with his head turned in the past, not the future. I do not want it at all. I want to look to the future.

Frankly, while suffering in the camps, I believe the grace of God. Yes, it was necessary to receive calls of destiny. Yes, I stood on the brink of life and death. But it has made me a different person, I have appeared “backbone” changed world.

God never takes away from everything human. Something takes, but then bestows great. A person who is able to see it, never want to take revenge on instruments that God used.

– The war, which continues to the east – one more test. How long will our society to stop dividing people into “us”, “alien”, “Lviv”, “Donetsk”, “Kiev”?

– If we come out of a sense of revenge, then all of this will be delayed for a long time, and who knows, will there ever be peace in Ukraine.

But I can imagine a situation in which it is the regions that today cause us indignation and some malice, in certain circumstances, can become engines of development of Ukraine.

Давайте представим: справедливость восторжествовала — Крым возвращается Украине. Но возвращается он в руки не украинских чиновников, которые отчасти в ответе за сложившуюся ситуацию, а в руки настоящих хозяев этой земли — крымских татар. Я бывал в Крыму и посещал кофейни, дома, принадлежащие крымским татарам. Это же была ляля! Они так любят эту землю, что никогда не смогут ей навредить. Только те, у кого нет кровной привязанности, способны на то, что сейчас делает этническое российское или русскоязычное население. Эту землю, будь она отдана крымским татарам, мы бы не узнали. Они бы превратили её в сад.

Similarly, with the Donetsk team. I remember how during the reign of Yanukovych, I concluded: his countrymen – very dynamic, ambitious, nelenivyh people. The only negative – the wrong value basis. In a short span of time they impose on Ukraine exactly the diabolical, irregular basis.

But we put this dynamism on the right spiritual foundation, they would become the locomotive of Ukraine.

– To do this, we need reforms in education?

– In education, too. But education – this decade. And I say that we need a rebirth now. Today’s young people, in a sense, already formed. I am very much looking forward to from her, because she is not a carrier of stereotypes, the older generation.

But we still do not know how to use it. Where young people now? Where her voice in decision-making in our country? Everything is decided by adult uncle, who pushed the young people even during the Maidan, although it actually began with the youth.

This is the first generation that is not the generation of “homo Sovieticus” it will declare itself decisive action – and only then we will change.

Despite the huge number of enthusiasts during the first Maidan representatives of the new generation have not been able to express themselves. But they did it in the second, they – the second generation of the Maidan.

– Can we say that the second Maidan turned out better than the first?

– They won, so I am convinced that from this point of view, were both successful. Speaking of failure or failure, we have in mind the political consequences. But the Ukrainian Maidan were not political revolutions – it is first of all spiritual phenomena. See the spiritual changes more difficult, political – it is easier. The latter really is not enough.

Maidan The aim was to change not just the political parameters and the mentality of the vast country, of all people, from head to toe.

Some animals change their skin all at once – and Ukraine. It seemed at one point, several efforts trying this old skin to relieve himself.

This is a global change, I can only be compared with the adoption of Christianity in Russia. And living as if the “inside” of transformation, of course, it seems that “all is lost”. I am an optimist who sees the huge potential of the Ukrainian people. I was delighted with the words British expert Sherry: “Ukraine – a country with a weak state and strong civil society in Russia – a country with a strong state and a weak civil society.”.

But we still demand: “We want a strong state, as in Russia!” He will not have this. We have a different nature, we the civil society on the other spiritual foundation is necessary to put. Then the government will have to reckon with the civil society.

– How do you feel, whether the third Maidan?

– I’m afraid to call it the third Maidan, because I always hear: “Third Independence – Independence of revenge.”

I do not want revenge Maidan. I want a spiritual phenomenon. We need one more push to throw off the old skin.

– What books have impressed you so much that you are advised to read them?

– You probably expect that will call the name of a Western intellectual who writes about unlocking the meaning of life. And I find it in the Bible. I do not say, of course, you need only read it. But in this book you can always see something new. Such continuous dialogue with me and the book Mary Valltorta “Bogocholovіk”.

Shevchenko is now urgent as ever. Take now “Kobzarik” open – yes, he yells about what is happening.

Ukraine need solidarity? Read “The Three Musketeers,” Dumas. There is love, friendship, and support – all that is so necessary to us today. None of intellectual research has not made such an impression on me, as this book.

– Whom Ukrainian society should be grateful for a human rights defender and journalist Miroslav Marynovych? Who shaped you as a person?

– First of all, his mother and sister. They were my support, formed the world, given the spiritual basis of life. And yet this fellow dissidents and their relatives. I think of these people as the door closed prison cell, and I was left alone. Already there was no one to help me, not to anyone was to play the role. Nevertheless, I always thought of them, those who remained behind the scenes, and I knew I could not let them blame me for some things.

Many of these people are no longer alive. I remember them with great gratitude and thank God for what they have been in my life.

Interviewed by Anna Sinyaschik

Miroslav Marinović – dissident, human rights activist, journalist, theologian, founder of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, the organizer of amnisterskogo movement in Ukraine, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv, a member of the initiative group “First of December” and Nestorovskoy group

Sourse, 14/04/2016

The Catholic Church for the sake of ephemeral “dialogue with Moscow” missed the truth

February 15, 2016

The meeting of the Pope and the Patriarch of Moscow found epochal failures Vatican diplomats who can not look out into the real world, says Miroslav Marinović, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University, a former political prisoner, a Ukrainian human rights activist and founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group.

“Dad had an opportunity to defend the interests of the offended Russian aggression had but did not use it.”, – notes Marinovic in his article in the “Ukrainian Truth”.

He is convinced that the Cuban declaration two primates is designed so that about Russia it refers to as a region, “an unprecedented revival of the Christian faith”, where there is the opportunity to “practice their religion freely,” while the alarm appears only when it comes to other countries.

“The Cuban declaration of the Pope and the Patriarch of Moscow is a vivid illustration of several things: the indisputable victory of the FSB and the Kremlin, with all their obedient tools, to which I refer, and the Russian Orthodox Church, and the total defeat of Ukrainian public diplomacy at the Vatican and the apparent lack of it Information Service by the UGCC; helpless blindness and incompetence of the Vatican diplomacy, which is easy to confuse peaceful lexicon; and alarming failure of influential circles of Europe decode deceitful formulas Putin’s propaganda “- Marinovic said.

“That’s why I have a pain conclude on the issue of Ukraine and the Russian Catholic Church for the sake of ephemeral” dialogue with Moscow “once again missed with the truth”, – he stressed.

Joint Declaration of Pope Francis and the head of the Russian Orthodox Church Kirill (Gundyaeva) was signed at the airport in Havana February 12. Ukrainian translation posted on the site, “Vatican Radio”. The Russian version – on the site of the ROC.

Sourse, 14/02/2016

Maidan-2016 in Ukraine, is it real?

January 5, 2016

Ukraine needs to develop, rather than return to a state of Kuchma’s regime. This was stated by Ukrainian human rights activist and founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University Myroslav Marinovic.

According to him, a stalemate has to be resolved in 2016, has evolved in the Ukrainian parliament.

“I have a feeling that, in political terms, was fastened a knot that can not be cut. The main war, which implicitly is in Ukraine, a war between the oligarchs and the people reform society, who want to implement the mandate received from the Maidan. This is a power struggle, I think, in 2016 resolved “, – said the expert.

According to founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, in 2016 we should not exclude the possibility of protests.

“The government must listen to the voice of society, sounded very drastic way. But I am opposed to emotional appeals, figuratively speaking, “all on the forks.” I want this government was a political alternative, but in a democratic sense of the word. Ukraine needs to develop, rather than return to a state of Kuchma’s regime, “- says human rights activist.

At the same time, Miroslav Marinović does not believe in “the third Maidan-2016.”

“Politically there is no alternative. All these radicals such as Lyashko – is not an option. This emotion, beyond which you should not clear Ukraine’s reform program. So I would be very worried if the third Maidan seized power radicals that can destroy, but can not create anything meaningful, “- concluded Marinovic.

Sourse, 04/01/2016

Not convicted crimes comes back

September 22, 2015

Seven years in the camps and five years in exile – as Miroslav Marinović has received from the Soviet government for what was one of the founders of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group. He says he lived behind bars spiritually rich, richer lives, than it is now. Dissident and human rights activist, member of the initiative “First of December”, the vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University has recently entered into a three of the major moral authorities of Ukraine according to the magazine “New Era”. During the discussion, “Lessons of History” in Lviv Mr Marinovic spoke about the main dilemma of the Soviet era, which again becomes relevant.

– It is a struggle between the instinct of self-preservation ( “not put out because srezhut”) and the voice of conscience, the natural human desire to do good that is given to him at birth. In Soviet times, this struggle gave rise to two types of personality. The first type – people who completely obey the instinct of self-preservation – the so-called homo soveticus. People willing to hide in a crack, to protect themselves from evil. The second type – the people that won the voice of conscience, and who became dissidents and joined the resistance movement.

error dissidents

This dilemma is returned. She, like Halley’s comet, which rotates around the sun, sometimes approaching Earth. Only every new generation, every era attaches to this dilemma the new parameters. Today, it is relevant for Ukraine, and for the world. On the one hand – a security issue: how to prevent World War III? How not to annoy Putin, that he did not destroy Ukraine? And on the other, how to protect the values ​​that underpin human civilization, for which twice went Maidan? Again a struggle between the instinct of self-preservation and the call of morality.

The main reason that this dilemma is returned, is that we are not condemned the crimes of communism, not expiated his sin. Partial responsibility for this lies with the dissidents.

In the early ’90s we did not want to carry out a new Nuremberg trial. It was important not to punish past and make a new social contract. The crimes of the communist regime, it seemed to me so obvious that the Communists themselves are aware of them and want to live a new life. I compared the crimes of communism with the crime of Cain, which, as we know from the Bible, is subject only to the judgment of God. It believed that if we manage to overcome the spiritual communism, we will be able to do without formal legal judgment. That was a mistake.

communist crime turned Kuchma crimes period, a symbol which is Georgiy Gongadze. Crimes Kuchma period were not, despite the slogan of “bandits – the prison,” convicted after the Orange Revolution. Political prisoners soon became political opponents and chase them was impossible. Consequently, crimes Yanukovych Kuchma period turned into crimes, which also are still not punished and condemned. Still there are untouchables, those people that for reasons of political expediency is still justice.

error in Europe

War of 1939 started two world monster – the Nazi regime in Germany and the communist Soviet regime. They began this deadly tango together, and then one of them turned their weapons against the other, and they came together in battle.

Soviet troops invaded Finland – this is definitely the culprit. And the very soldiers deploying weapons against the Nazis, became a conquering hero. This dual role of the Soviet Union in World War II – the role of the forces started the war itself it victoriously completed – are now involves much confusion.

According to West, suffering and heroism in the “Soviet people” during the war, give a moral right not to look into the crimes of the Gulag, not to think of Stalin’s purges. So we have a double standard in the treatment of the crimes of those times. The world heard the screams of people being tortured in the cellars of the Gestapo, but heard cries of tortured NKVD.

Timothy Snyder wrote that there is a difference in the historical memory of Western and Eastern Europe. East has experienced in the twentieth century two terrible totalitarian regime, and the West must recognize and rethink it. Victory over nazism should not close our eyes to the other side of the Soviet regime – criminal. “Can a prisoner who died in Vorkuta, to be happy, that died in Dachau?” – he wrote the Polish philosopher Leszek Kolakowski.

After the fall of the Third Reich in Germany held a hearing. After the fall of the Polish People’s Republic Voytseh Yaruzelsky also appeared before the court, though he was promised immunity. However, in the early 90’s the Germans tried to convince me: “Do not do Nuremberg-2, it is not necessary!”. Even more than once at the German-Ukrainian readings – and this was the time when Viktor Yushchenko finally raised to the national level the issue of Holodomor – the whole German delegation attacked the Ukrainians: “What are you doing Why raise this topic it not? realize that it mocks Russia, you’ll have new challenges? “.

So, the rule of law has worked in Europe, but she tried to block or at least delay a similar process in the post-Soviet space. These delays have led to what is already current generation must pay the price for the communist crimes. It seems to me that Heavenly hundreds, and soldiers killed at the front – the victim of what communism was not convicted in a timely manner. And part of the responsibility for what is happening today in Ukraine is on Europe.

Sourse, 21/09/2015

The formula of struggle

August 22, 2015

As a dissident Miroslav Marinović, who was convicted by a Soviet court for lying and anti-Soviet propaganda, it became one of the most influential people in today’s Ukraine and the head of one of the best universities.

In the Perm prison, a group of prisoners as a heated argument with a supervisor. Parties clearly do not find a common language. And then passed them prisoner. “Oh, so he will not lie! Come, please!” – refers to the prisoner overseer Miroslav Marinović. The irony lies in the fact that the Ukrainian dissident who had the reputation in prison honest and uncompromising man was sentenced for lying and anti-Soviet agitation.

Marinovic, known as an anti-Soviet, Soviet special services and a cheat, really would lie not. Being on the side of truth – his credo. Since the end of 1960 – even from his student years – the principles of life and a heightened sense of justice forced him to defend the rights in a regulated framework of the Soviet regime the country.

he said that even in the most terrible moments when he thought he was dying, never regretted his position. “Good does not win every battle, but winning the war – now says Marinovic – This perspective was in me from the beginning. I’ll be on the side of good, even if I lose.”

Now Marinovic stands good in the Ukrainian Catholic University (UCU), which is cited as the most progressive universities in the country. He – the permanent vice-rector of the institution, which is just 13 years of existence, has become one of the best sites for the training of journalists and business executives. According to international research firm Hay Group, UCU among the top five Ukrainian universities, whose popularity is growing rapidly.

In addition, the dissident works in the so-called Nestorovskoy group that develops after euromaidan vision of Ukraine’s mission. The document, which happens as a result, will form the basis of the country strategy. A similar experience in intellectual is already there: in the early 2000s, he developed a similar document for the city, which as a result has helped him become one of the most successful Russian cities.

The right to the word

At the time of the conclusion – seven years in prison and five years of exile – Marinovic was only 27 years old. By the time he has already weighed in dissident circles of Ukraine, as well as an impressive list of sins in the folder of the KGB investigators.

Collect dirt on the young Ukrainian nationalist state security began in the years of his studies at the Lviv Polytechnic, where he had the imprudence to criticize the Soviet system. The first serious warning Marinovic was in 1973, when with friends laid flowers at the monument to Taras Shevchenko in Kiev. “Crime” was that he paid tribute to the officially recognized poet, who died in Russia, on May 22 – the day of his reburial in Ukraine. The commemoration of that date, the Soviet secret service was considered a manifestation of nationalism.

With Shevchenko linked another case, glorified Marynovych far outside dissident circles. In 1976, he and his friend Nikolay Matusevich during the celebration of another anniversary of the day Shevchenko’s birth, which took place in the Kiev Philharmonic, took the stage and sang Zapovit. The official program, which consisted of songs about “how good to live in a Soviet country,” and read the diary of Shevchenko in Russian, the main product of Ukrainian poet not included.

“The evening was held in Russian, and it was a slap in the face to all Ukrainian,” – explains our original Marinovic indignation: he just could not tolerate such abuse. After leaving the stage, he is a bit made secure by saying that Zapovit Shevchenko loved to Vladimir Lenin. However, the safety net has not helped. When he began to play the piano, one who arranges concerts shouted: “The concert is over!” But the audience picked up Zapovit, and when turned off the light, began to sing louder.

“It was a complete defeat of those who ran and screamed that the concert is over,” – says Marinovic.

When it was over, out of the Philharmonic Friends feared, besides the entrance stood a car, and they assumed that it sit gebisty. But right there were people who came to the concert. They surrounded the brave men and conducted to the subway.

Then the KGB Marynovych not touched. “I’m happy to have been involved in at this point – he speaks of those events is now -. Such gestures have to be among the nations, they must be equal to the Ukrainians, because it maintains people in some valuable positions, gives examples of courage.”

Arrested a young dissident in 1977. “Early in the morning the doorbell rang insistently, – recalls the day the arrest of Tamil Matusevich, the sister of his best friend Marynovych, in the apartment where they lived then -. At first, we did not open, because they understood who came, but they rang and rang.”

To arrest he was ready. By the time Marinovic was already six months in the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, human rights activities. Then there was only ten brave men who gathered evidence of violations of the rights of compatriots and tried to establish the accreditation of foreign journalists in Kyiv.

“It was the dethronement of the Soviet myth, in which millions of people believed in the west, – says about the activities of the Helsinki Group Iosif Zisels, dissident, who was also a member -. We have shown that beautiful façade lying behind him – blood and crime.”

However, the Soviet court interpreted these activities under the anti-Soviet agitation and propaganda and denounced Marynovych the maximum sentence – seven years in prison.

In the camp among the political, he quickly began to enjoy prestige, says Oles Shevchenko, who was imprisoned with Marinovic (later was a member of the Verkhovna Rada of I convocation), “came to him, to solve a conflict, difficult situation or just for advice” .

Shevchenko recalls the joint celebration of Easter in 1981. On the eve of the guards warned the prisoners that the religious rite forbidden. “But we brought bread from the dining room, and in the barracks we had jam and sunflower oil – says Shevchenko -. Of these, we blinded the passover.” For this freedom of all prisoners then sent to a punishment cell.

However Marinovic not silent: he wrote a letter to the Pope on violations of the rights of believers in Soviet prisons. “Write it was impossible, so he” wrote “his head – says Shevchenko -. And then transferred to the paper and handed it to chance.”

Surprisingly, Marynovych letter to the pontiff came, and he even held a prayer service in support of Soviet political prisoners.

Varlam Shalamov, the last Stalinist camps, wrote about them as a place where the “dehumanization”. Marinovic, on the other hand, recalls his life behind barbed wire as a time of intense spiritual growth. Firstly, in the camp, he said, he had gathered a brilliant intellectual society, including writers Nikolai Rudenko and Eugene Sverstyuk poet Zenoviy Krasivskaya.

Under their influence Marinovic started writing poems in prison, and prepared a book of the Gospel of God’s fool, who released after release. Now he argues that it is in detention found faith in God.

God willing

Return Marynovych to Ukraine coincided with the beginning of perestroika. Then he began to study theology. First there were articles on inter-church peacefulness in the newspaper of the city of Drohobych, where he settled after the conclusion. “The end of the ’80s – it was a time of religious conflicts, – he explains the choice of the theme -. I have suffered from it, I saw it absurd, unwise and unpatriotic, prejudicial to the independence of Ukraine.”

Marynovych later invited to read lectures about the history of religion in Drohobych Pedagogical University. But after studying the course of history of religion in the United States, he established and headed the Institute of Religion and Society at the Lviv Theological Academy.

In parallel, he begins to work in the department of Ukrainian Association of Amnesty International and shrugs off suggestions go into politics – he repeatedly offered to run for the MPs. Marynovych not even managed to persuade his friend, Vyacheslav Chornovil, a dissident and political prisoner, and later – the founder of the People’s Movement of Ukraine.

Now Marinovic busy that loves – scientific work at UCU. Lectures, he does not read, but from time to time speaks to students with special inspiring “sermons”. “He – our living conscience, – said Otar Dovzhenko, a journalist and professor of journalism of the university -. His presence will ensure that the Criminal Code there is no corruption, no gotchas.”

When Marinovic UCU has become one of the most dynamic universities in the country – it is constantly evolving, says journalist and media expert Evgeny Hlibovytsky, worked with Marinovic first in Univskoy group, which developed the vision of Lvov, and now – in Nestorovskoy group, which is working on a strategic vision of Ukraine.

“The group Univskoy he did an unimaginable amount of work, – enthusiastically tells Hlibovytsky -. And such a man of his status can be neglected is his religious setting Marinovic did not want to practice arrogance…”

Many familiar with it people talk about his amazing honesty and inner freedom. And talking to HB, Marinovic remembered the story of how the nearly renounced his beliefs. It was in Kiev in the early ’70s. Young Marinovic a long time could not get a job because of the intervention of the KGB. Once he was an acquaintance invited to try on a prestigious location – the editorial board of the Soviet Ukrainian Encyclopedia.

“And I’m going to an interview and say to myself, in a whisper, that if I would take on the job, May 22 at the monument to Shevchenko will not go” – is now recognized Marinovic.

He is now with shame recalls the case and adds that it is convinced that no compromise will not survive – a characteristic feature of the Soviet man. This way of thinking is still working, and that he is the reason that the country can not change radically, he says in the conclusion of the conversation. The problem of the fate of the country today for Marynovych – the most important.

Sourse, 21/08/2015

About Ukrainian education reforms and things which really unites and divides the people of one country

May 19, 2015

Miroslav Marinović, Ukrainian human rights activist and scholar of religion, founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group and organizer amnisterskogo movement in Ukraine, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv. A man whose opinions heard. Probably, most of the democratic parties of Ukraine would like to see Miroslav Francovich on their lists, but for the most Marynovych success is not measured by the steps of the career ladder. One of the most influential Ukrainians told Politeka of Ukrainian education reforms and that really unites and divides the people of a country.

Miroslav Francovich first met with the KGB in the university years – for criticizing the Soviet policy. In 27 years, Miroslav Marinović has become a founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, and since then has come under constant surveillance. And then – the charges of anti-Soviet agitation and propaganda, imprisonment and exile, 150 days in a punishment cell, and hunger strikes.

This time Miroslav Francovich refers to one of the brightest periods of his life, because that is the conclusion made, according to a human rights activist, as “the man with the backbone.” Regularly refusing all offers to enter parliament, according to its mission involvement in changing the mentality of people and speech to parliament prefers to communicate with young people.

Politeka: Independence, volunteering, united opposition of the enemy Ukrainians, but can we say that we really become one? whether society needs, in your opinion, in the transformations, or the path to unity can be considered passed?

M. Marinovic: We discussed a lot about this in Nestorovskoy group, and came to the conclusion that a nation has already been created, and now it needs to be upgraded. This problem was I could be formulated differently. On the Independence, and especially during the war with Russia, a nation united common problem and a common desire to protect themselves from the enemy. It is a powerful unifying force. But the war end sooner or later – and then what? In other words, we need to rapidly develop a positive concept of a single state, so that the people united around shared values, which are so powerfully voiced Maidan: human dignity, national and religious freedom, the rule of law, public morality and social justice. Public demand for these values ​​is – do not have enough faith in what we can for them to become successful.

Politeka: Ukraine is now going through a very difficult time, which was the legacy of a paternalistic state, in which we have lived for so long. You travel a lot, and, in your opinion, if there is Ukrainians – on both sides of the Dnieper River – a desire to return to a usable form of life as paternalism?

M. Marinovic: Actually, we are from a paternalistic state has not yet emerged. Of course, society has changed significantly compared with Soviet times, but a chronic state management system is not dismantled. We still make the “hole course” repair the old Soviet way. Oligarchic system abuses paternalistic instincts of the population does not develop small and medium-sized businesses – that is, precisely those who overcame a paternalistic stereotypes. Therefore, Ukraine has not yet sounded the march “Farewell of Slav”, but the truth and that we are already very close to this. But regional differences are insignificant, and sometimes in Dnepropetrovsk can be found a more dynamic business elite than in Galicia.

Politeka: In his publications and interviews You’re saying that the Ukrainians are united East and West, they have the same expectations and aspirations. But why, in that case, there is a conflict where the line that divides people?

M. Marinovic: The border does exist, but it is mobile. In the early 1990s, it was held on Zbruch. While in Galicia were intensive processes of ideological and religious restructuring – then point the finger at Galicia as a region with an expressive “inflammation”. Presidential and parliamentary elections later times indicated that this boundary initially approached the Dnieper, then spread through him and to “win” the north of Ukraine. Then he stopped, having fenced off a so-called South East. Today, “inflammation” is precisely in this part of the country. Gone was the homogeneity of the local political orientations, once a single monolith disintegrated into fragments, which are active – in pain and agony – looking for a new identity. Technically, one could say that the occupied territories of the Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk regions just passed a new frontier, but this conclusion may be premature. Nobody spent here independent surveys, and the consequences of the occupation for many may be unexpected. Therefore, we will not jump to conclusions, let us instead build a free and democratic Ukraine – and let God do the rest.

Politeka: Besides the fact that different regions of Ukraine are carriers of different ideologies, they speak at least two languages. Periodically there talk of “non-discrimination of the Russian language.” A striking example – “language law” Kolesnichenko-Kivalov, which could exacerbate the division of society. Euromaidan virtually removed this item from the agenda, but the problem remained. Which can reduce the degree of confrontation and, if possible, remove the language issue? And whether it is necessary Ukraine approved at the state level bilingualism?

M. Marinovic: Model of two state languages ​​in Ukraine is bad, and therefore unacceptable. It is not conducive to the public understanding, but on the contrary, it would be complicating. It’s like that line up on the stadium runners on long distances on the same starting line, ignoring the fact that they then have to run different distances. This ostentatious justice that turns into a lie. Because of the long period Russification Ukrainian language has to “run” at a much greater range and therefore legal handicap should be mandatory for it. But the language problem actually is an instrument of the evil policies when for “bilingualism” the idea of ​​hiding the idea of ​​Russian monolingualism in the already non-Ukrainian state. Moses Fishbein well remarked, saying: “The danger is not in the fact that Russian will become the second state, and that the state would become the second Russian. ” Independence has twice confirmed that when people are equally defend the Ukrainian statehood and dignity, the voltage of the language problem simply disappears.

Politeka: There is much talk about the fact that reforms and promises are not met, does not change anything at all. People are starting to get tired. Do you think that’s what the Ukrainians can cause disappointment in what is happening in the country?

M. Marinovic: The other day I had an interesting conversation with an American who knows the Ukraine. It is not surprising slowness of reforms and maximalism of Ukrainians who want at a time “to jump to Heaven” and not able to see those real changes that are already transforming their lives. Here it harms not just the desire for more and utopian hope that everything can change quickly, and psychological fatigue, if everything does not happen immediately. But the Anglo-Saxons, according to my companion, well aware that the long journey can be overcome only small but successful steps. Therefore, we must believe in the Ukraine, and keep in mind that these steps do not have to “someone in Kiev”, but we ourselves.

Politeka: One way or another, but quite most of the news and conversations are now feykovye. Staged events, rumors, subjectivity (subjectivity especially influential persons), the emotions and the absence of a critical attitude to the news – all these factors affect the information field and, accordingly, those who follow him. We are all aware of the propaganda machine of the Russian Federation, but why produce false Ukrainian opinion leaders, consciously designed it? How to resist the lies?

M. Marinovic: Lie there for as long as humanity exists. This utopia – to think that you can get rid of it. But the feature of present-day time becomes a man’s inability to distinguish between truth and lies – and this is a great danger. Previously, the Soviet regime was forced to put the jammers, because people had enough to hear the voice of the free world – and they recognize the truth. Today, Putin’s regime jammers are not necessary – people already zombified so that it is not able to distinguish truth from falsehood. It is because our goal – to restore to the people the proper value basis, which is able to save the situation.

Politeka: How do you assess the establishment of the Anti-Corruption Bureau? Do I need to lyustrirovat officials stole millions from the budget, or whether they need to be immediately judged?

M. Marinovic: Ukraine must act the rule of law. This means that the abuse of power crime must be punished. The question is how it is, depends on the seriousness of the crime: someone needed lyustrirovat, and someone – a judge. Justice must also be sensitive to genuine repentance and be able to distinguish it from evil justifications “Kolyadniki-judges.”

Politeka: A very important question of education in Ukraine. How do you see Ukrainian higher education in five years? Which universities will remain, which will be closed due to reforms and conscious choice of students? What, in your opinion, should be changed in the system of higher education?

M. Marinovic: This question can not be answered in one sentence. The Soviet system of higher education also powerfully acted paternalism: universities have been selected freedom, instead of the state, “spoon-feed”. With this must be dealt with. Universities should receive tangible autonomy, thus becoming responsible for their status and level of education. You have to be prepared for the fact that to find a new balanced system of European education in Ukraine will not be easy – it takes time and proactive educators. But this way we must go.

Interviewed by Alla Bakr

Sourse, 18/05/2015

Decommunisation laws of Ukraine: it is necessary to go ahead

May 8, 2015

The President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko has to sign laws decommunisation. Indignation of some of the population will, in any case, but can not always look at the past.

This is a comment IA ZIK said human rights activist, journalist, theologian, founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv, Miroslav Marinović.

“I do know that these laws need to sign, implement them and do not look at those who will always cling to the past. We must go forward, “- he stressed.

According to Miroslav Marynovych, Russia spends a lot of money to Ukraine arose public indignation at about decommunisation laws. Thus, a certain part of the population is dissatisfied with the matter, Poroshenko to sign these laws or not.

“I do not exclude that the president waits until May 9. But, anyway, will be provocations. However, without doubt, the law must be signed. We have more than 20 years, we looked at those for whom it may be a trauma. As a result, they not only did not appreciate this gesture, and vice versa – have done everything to “invite” Russia and make us a semblance of civil war, “- said human rights activist.

Recall, April 9 Rada endorsed the draft law “On the condemnation of the Communist and National Socialist (Nazi) totalitarian regimes and ban their symbolism propaganda» (number 2558).

The law defines criminal Communist and Nazi regimes, which have claimed millions of Ukrainians. In Ukraine, introduced the responsibility for advocating Communist and Nazi regimes and the public use of their symbolism.

Production, distribution and use of Communist symbols, anthems of the USSR and the Ukrainian SSR shall be punished by restriction of freedom for up to five years, or imprisonment.

Also established procedures and deadlines for renaming objects that are “communist” name. On the streets of Ukrainian cities will take away the symbols and monuments that glorify the totalitarian regime functionaries.

Sourse, 07/05/2015

About Putin, remains of Soviet thinking and freedom of the nation

April 18, 2015

Vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University (UCU), human rights activist and theologian, founder of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, Miroslav Marinović – one of those people who are considered moral authorities era. He modestly calls himself an optimist, and a happy person, because the Ukraine, for which he has fought since the 70s, gained statehood, independence and freedom in his eyes.

Marinovic sooner became a dissident: 27 years, he was among the founders of the Helsinki Human Rights Group, and a year later for the unauthorized reading from the Kiev Conservatory scene poem Taras Shevchenko Zapovit sent him to seven years in a strict-regime camp and another five years in exile.

Later in his book The Gospel of God’s fool Marinovic he wrote that in the camp, despite all the hardships, it was much easier than, for example, in the Soviet army. Paradoxically, the free people in the USSR, he found behind the barbed wire, and not outside it.

In the 90 Marinovic he engaged in human rights activities, and participated in public life and at the same time repeatedly refused a political career and fame.

Today, 66-year-old theologian engaged in favorite business – working with students and formulates his own deep religious understanding of the processes taking place in Ukraine.

We meet in the main building of UCU in Lviv, in a small room in the attic of the building. In his office, littered with books and pictures, smells good freshly made coffee. Offering a traditional welcome drink Lviv, Marinovic moves closer to the table and plunged into the conversation.

Independence and war – is the next stage of growth in freedom. Naturally, we are facing in this process with growing pains. Dignity revolution gave us national solidarity – people came to the square every man for himself, and returned to the nation area. But we still do not fully understand the freedom and do not know how to use it.

It is a long and difficult process, but we want everything at once, and this results in a talk about the third Maidan. I am sure that in our power to have no enemies of the Ukrainian state, which means that there is no need to revolt. Maidan – that is our freedom, but our democracy. Today we have to learn how to create persistent political groups to defend their interests.

Frequent change of power at the same time should not frighten us. During the test, and government crises are changing rapidly, because people’s needs are changing. For example, in post-war Italy changed its authority every six months, and over the country while laughing the whole of Europe, but it was an important step in achieving the growth of freedom.

Creating a nation for a year, now we have to modernize it. This means to get rid of the Soviet paternalistic management model. The current government until it is difficult for – all they want to do everything to give. But in a country where there is war and ruined the economy it is impossible. You need to let go of people and to be honest we can not provide you, but it will create conditions for you to help yourself.

I am absolutely not afraid of the emergence in Ukraine of several centers of political influence. The main thing is that they did not divide the country issues civilizational choice – between Russia and Europe. And I’m wondering if there are any in popular support for the ex-governor of the Dnipropetrovsk region Igorya Kolomoyskogo all the same manifestations of paternalism: that someone strong solve the problem for us? And maybe the same principle we follow in our European choice? Once the Soviet Union and Russia have discredited themselves, we will go to the EU?

Each time, growing in freedom, we have to ask ourselves these questions. Otherwise, the risk is great to choose Europe, not realizing that we choose.

In vain you think that the Soviet way of thinking only in the east but not in Galicia. For example, garbage lustration – people happily rushed to administer lynch bad officials, throwing them in the trash. And this is after the dignity of the revolution, where we fought against the degradation of man, for the rule of law.

I’m back here in Galicia, say you that our courts do not know? We – the little people, and we did not achieve justice. This is the manifestation of Soviet thinking. We still do not believe in their capabilities, by virtue of the joint action. And because any number we can call ourselves anti-Communist ideology, but to show their business these ideas. Not only grow in freedom, it is important to grow in morality.

The deepest biblical revelation for me: the Promised Land can be attained only when disappear those who remember the taste of slavery in Egypt. I would like to say that we can get rid of the Soviet past, but I can not. In this great and sad lesson for Ukraine. Maidan generation – it is people with different levels of assimilation of freedom, but they appeared only after almost 20 years of independence, and these people are still too few in power. We will have to wait until the grow another generation that will fall behind the current one.

Moses meaning of 40 years in that society begins to speak the same language, see a common goal. And that’s just at this moment the prophet led people to sacred Mount Sinai. Our Sinai is yet to come.

I judge by the way behaves in our leadership, and realize that they are on the brink. People in government understand that they needed to be in power for long, because now it is important to learn in a civilized and responsible to transmit and receive power.

Preferred Position Ukrainians – to be on the side of truth, and all the time to check yourself in it . This makes it possible to survive even in a desperate situation. I remember another young first came to Moscow. Snow-covered town, a powerful imperial grandeur. Then I thought, and I decided to oppose this force? And then I met a well-known dissident General Pyotr Grigorenko and knew I wanted to be a strong and sincere with. And this feeling – that the truth is not outside the Kremlin walls, and these weak, but honest people – gave me the strength and peace of mind even in camps, under threat of death.

During the years of independence, the Russians lost the ability to distinguish between good and evil. Remember, in the Soviet era in the way of information from the West to the Soviet listeners were “jammers”? But people still understand intuitively what is true. And now “jammers” No, but it destroyed the propaganda value of any information. All deep archaic instincts – blood, revenge, death – are used to deprive people of the ability to distinguish good. This is the biggest tragedy.

Previously, the Russians were capable of empathy. But in Soviet times there was a rigidity, anger and slavish submission. Man looking like themselves justify, and therefore shows the hatred of those who are the cause of his own weakness. The fact that the Russians now do not like the Ukrainians and believe the propaganda, there is this component, “Look, they escaped, got rid of their king, and we can not.” This humiliation is transformed into hatred, and sends them to war.

Putin in this war can only be stopped by force. If Ukraine has received a lethal weapon, it would be a red line. The Kremlin would have realized that further means war situation can not be controlled. On the other hand, I have the feeling that God has given us today this fragile truce balance that we find non-obvious response to the situation. After each party, acting in its own logic, leads humanity to a third world war. How to prevent this? Where is this unusual time? Perhaps, in this dispensation for Ukraine – to escape, finding a solution?

I understand very well Hope Savchenko, her hunger strike – is a way to stay human. She, like Gogol’s hero, must outline the circle around itself, so that no evil force there has not penetrated, and the hunger strike she did. I and many of my comrades, starving in the camps were well aware that the so-totalitarian power never win. But to put a barrier between you and the power, for which you are a grain of sand – to prisoner of conscience is an important point.

Protection of human rights and the Christian faith does not get along very harmoniously in me. But the issue of choice, I do not take tragic. I do not remember any stage of his life, where such a choice would not exist. It is important not to destroy the main principle of faith – the love of God through the love of a man. If I give the privilege doctrine, injuring a person, it is wrong. But at the same time, I will always look for an opportunity to hold doctrines, without harming the person – it’s my Christian mission.

5 questions Miroslav Marinović:

– An event that you consider important in your life?

– The decision to join the Ukrainian Helsinki Group.

– What is your favorite city?

– I love the Lions, and I feel good and comfortable in Kiev. It is a city that I was saying goodbye from the car windows, taking me to the camp. And there Drohobych – the city of my childhood.

– What do you get around the city?

– Before the tram, and now because of old age to and from work gives me a university car.

– What is your monthly cost of living?

– Honestly, I do not even use all of his salary. My wife and I help a lot of relatives and friends, to circumvent minimum requirements. I think today that at least 6-8 thousand. UAH.

– What do you seek?

– I was a little worried about career, I feel very comfortable, Vice-Rector and never wanted to be a rector or a politician. More important to me not to make a career, but to be on the good side.

Sourse, 17/04/2015

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It should not be ruled out that violence, terrorist attacks and killings will become the new law of life

December 21, 2016

After the analysis of the terrible events in Aleppo, the world’s terrorist attacks and demonstration killings, it appears that the main and perhaps the main argument of the modern world has become violent.

Violence was originally the shadow of a human life, it is inherent in human nature. Remember his first manifestation – the murder of Abel by Cain. Even then, it is harmoniously entered the life of the world and became co-exist with humans.

Another thing – there have been ebbs and flows of violence. Thus, a positive period of the postwar period was after the Second World War, when humanity said to myself: «newer again» (never again – trans.). Then the world was set up to ensure that never again allow a military nightmare. Then he took a major turning point, which I appreciate as a category of zero-sum and added value.

That is, the principle of zero-sum – is “an eye for an eye,” or “I won and you lost.” It’s a formula that involves violence basis. In turn, the principle of value added – is the principle of cooperation (for the participants get more on cooperation than on the single).

After the war, European civilization adopted the principles of added value and pushed all the antagonisms that have been in Europe before. It seemed forever pushed. But it so happened, as we would.

“With a light hand,” Putin’s violence is back in our lives.

The Russian president has decided to turn the chessboard and make Europe a new force redivision of the world. Unfortunately, this principle has become contagious: many nations become agitated and began to act selfishly, not as agreed earlier.

Of course, in this situation, a lot of the blame lies with the Brussels bureaucracy as cooperation formula, which they offer, often does not satisfy the people. Therefore, the “fashion” to force to resolve the problems returned. Therefore, we should not exclude that violence, acts of terror and murder will become the new law of life.

And it gives me a great disappointment, because I thought that humanity has become much wiser.

Sourse, 20/12/2017

Let’s change the rules of the game and become successful, otherwise we devour Bolshevik mood

November 12, 2016

November 10-11 in Lviv hosts international congress of dissidents and II Crimean forum. The event is timed to the 40th anniversary of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group – association of human rights defenders, who fought against human rights violations in the Soviet Union. Talk about Congress dissidents to one of its organizers – co-founder of UHG, dissident, pro-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University Miroslavom Marinovichem.

In Ukraine, there is a possibility of a new Maidan, but such an event – it is the will of the Holy Spirit, not man. Such an opinion in an interview with «LB.ua» stated Miroslav Marinović.

“The threat is there, but I still want to believe in the natural intuition of Ukrainians. And secondly, I believe that the Maidan – the will of the Holy Spirit, not man. Here Mustafa Nye wrote in Facebook «come to the Maidan,” and people came. Well, now let write … And nothing will happen. See, it’s not because Nye wrote, “- said Marinovic.

He added that Ukraine is on the verge of great changes.

“I really believed that the second Maidan will be the last, after which everything goes forward. Now I see what is not. After such a huge edifice, as the Ukraine, it is difficult to change. A huge car you can not turn as “Zaporozhets”. I believe there will be more ups, only ask God that they were not violent. We had two successful Maidana (we done to them, that’s another issue). But they were successful, because it was the right thing. When there is violence – forget about the support of the Holy Spirit “- Marinovic said.

However, he expressed confidence that the union dissidents in Ukraine in any organization or party is unrealistic.

“This is absolutely unrealistic, and reminds me of the traditional reproach to the initiative group of the First of December -” You are, do some treatment, but why do not you take to work? Why will not the political organization, the party? Young will help you. ” No! It is older people who barely make themselves come to the meeting, and that is not all. This is impossible even to speak. Among them are many weak “- Marinovic said.

Sourse, 11/11/2016

While suffering in the camps, I believe the grace of God

April 15, 2016

Vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv, a founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, Miroslav Marinović told why he was grateful to the Soviet camp, what Putin’s weakness, and why we can not allow a third Maidan – Maidan revenge.

– In your biography there is an interesting fact: in February 1987, while in exile in Kazakhstan, you have refused to petition for clemency. Why?

– In 1987, Gorbachev had to somehow solve the problem of political prisoners. This issue has been a thorn in its relations with the West, and he wanted to get rid of it. But it was necessary to do it nicely, to present everything as “workers’ request.” Therefore, the delegation traveled to the ends of the Union, to persuade people to write letters about his repentance. In this case, the chance to go free were very high.

But when to me was such a delegation, I did not yet know. It looked like this: I came to a group of prosecutors, government officials, the KGB officers, who say: “Write an application, and you immediately released.” I laughed and said: “Listen, I have not written this statement at the beginning of his term, when well understood that if I write, I would be freed That is, I could never sit whole life And now, when I two years of exile left.. you want to buy me in the same sentence – write and you will be released, I will not write anything, all right? “.

And they ask: “Would you please give a written denial?” I was surprised, shrugged his shoulders and say, of course. And he wrote, why can not file a petition for clemency. As it turned out, it was important to get a piece of paper. “Received a letter.” My failure as failures of other dissidents who were perceived as referring to the system.

Later, I was very surprised to learn that at about the same situation was, and the patriarch Joseph Blind – and this despite the fact that he was a prisoner to the other, the Stalinist era. He also asked to state their refusal in writing, which he did. KGB methods do not change.

– Time passes, and the system does not change?

– Rapidly changing external signs, ideology, but the essence remains the lowlands. And selective justice Yanukovych – a selective Soviet justice.

And what it cost to provide medical care in the camps: if you serve the system – you will be treated if you struggle with the system – you may, for example, to open the seal, put there arsenic, and then leave and not to return to the seal closed. And this is only a small bar.

And what about the case where the doctor refused to provide medical assistance to the Russian poet Viktor Nekipelov because in addition to the chest was a cross. He was in a very serious condition, and I gave him a pectoral cross. Victor was grateful to me. A doctor came – and recoiled simply: “No, let him heal you, and I will not be treated.” The name of that “Aesculapius” Pchelnikov. He, I think, would be sitting in the dock during the Nuremberg-2, if there was such a tribunal.

– In one of your speeches you talked about the fact that all crises – economic, political – one source – the human spirit crisis. I have to say is now appropriate that the peak of the crisis on the Ukrainian society is left behind?

– No, the crisis continues to grow. Ukrainian society has made very important things – I’m talking about the Maidan. I highly appreciate the spiritual significance of the Maidan. But in Ukrainian history as it was before: we are much easier to fight for the values ​​than to live in accordance with them.

I remember how impressed Maidan. If you ended up in paradise, where you love everyone and everything – you, and you are convinced of this. You can come to anyone, to say a few words and get an incredible dose of love, care, all the light. On the Independence it was possible, and then they returned to the usual system of coordinates. Many on itself felt, as when “one is a warrior” – about how to steal and steal as demanded bribes and demand, perhaps now even in larger sizes. Evil has become very aggressive. It feels like it is coming to an end.

So we need that there be at least a small group of people, who said: we do not care, we win the election or not, it is important to bring the public a new model of behavior and to implement this model by their actions, deeds and decisions. Only then can we say that the crisis had passed.

– What is missing for the emergence of such a group?

– If you think spiritual category, lacking confidence in each other. And if sociologically-public, we do not lack the solidarity in familiar circumstances. We know how to be united on the Maidan. But under normal circumstances, when you are surrounded by wicked people like to be in solidarity? We see the blackness of each, and people see our blackness.

This is our weakness and a problem: we are ready to live in solidarity, but only with perfect people. And sinners be solidarity we can not, and they therefore do not know how. Vicious circle. We expect a saint, as a result of wallowing in a wicked whirlpool. It is a spiritual problem.

– How to solve it?

– We are all sinners by definition. Lord hopes that realizing it, we can find a way to trust, mutual respect and understanding.

– By the way, of understanding. Commenting on the recent incident with the prohibition of LGBT festival, US ambassador Dzheffri Payett stated that “intolerance in Lviv contradict European future, for which so many Ukrainians have sacrificed.” Why do local authorities and the LGBT community has not been able to meet each other?

– My personal opinion is that what happened in Lviv, was generously paid provocation. The organizers of this event, which, incidentally, were not from the city, deliberately going to the conflict. Looking at those who broke them, too, you can see the elements of the order. Someone needed picture anti-European Lviv to the Dutch referendum, the answer was “no.”

However, I do not want to downplay the issue, saying that in Ukraine and particularly in Lviv, everyone loves the LGBT community. No. It is one thing to fight for their rights, and the other – to show their identity so as to cause a sharp rejection of the religious people.

What purpose was the organizers? Teach tolerance of the community? If they have such a purpose for this would need no gay parades and labor helotic work to convey the idea that we are all different, each with its own identity, respectively, for all of us to live in peace.

And in this particular case, I saw a lot of wickedness, provoking pride.

– Now Ukrainians attention again focused on the struggle for the premiership. In your opinion: Is a change for the better in castling?

– I do not rule out any positive effects. It would be irresponsible to deny a priori any possible positive side castling. People are trying, people want to make a difference – let me be.

What I do not believe – is that the current team of deputies and government officials in Ukraine is ready to make a radical change in the system. I do not believe it, even being on the Maidan, seen in front of the then opposition parties that were in power today. I am grateful for the fact that they kept the Ukraine, saved her from the abyss that opened up in front of her. Honor and praise them.

But Ukraine can change only when clearly realize that this system is incorrect. A current and a government and the presidential team – people who want to save Ukraine from the old system means.

Acting by the old methods, it is possible to temporarily prevent the fall of Ukraine, but radically change the country will not work. The reforms that have been adopted, remind me of the old road patching. Something patched where it became easier to drive. But I can smell the scent of the old Soviet way, on which we are still going. In order to build a new one, you need to act radically: remove the layer completely and give a new foundation. And on it – a new canvas.

– One day, recalling the resilience and courage of Hope Savchenko, you said that “dictators are afraid more than we: it is learned all political prisoners times the resistance movement.” Can we assume that under the pressure of his fear dictator Kremlin’s prisoner release to freedom?

– The fact is that if he was spiritually strong and confident, it would long ago have released it. Strong people are not afraid that they will think about, they make decisions when they dictates of conscience.

Vladimir Putin is weak and a notorious man. It does not find the reason, the reasons for the order to release the Hope, a disaster. I’m not talking about the fact that this system does not like to let go of people. Situation, when the Soviet or kvazisovetskaya, that is the Russian system to let their victims, are unique.

– In one interview you recall that the main purpose of your conclusion at the time, and after him, was not embittered. On or in the whole world?

– This is the interrelated things. Not angry with their abusers, we can reformulate. Do not live thinking about how to take revenge. It is important. It’s one thing when you’re living with the idea of ​​justice, to restore order. Hatred, anger, negative feelings for that you do not need. You light think about how you can correct the situation.

If you think about revenge, hatred is the inevitable companion. And then you will only think about the wrongs that have been in the past. It dooms walk with his head turned in the past, not the future. I do not want it at all. I want to look to the future.

Frankly, while suffering in the camps, I believe the grace of God. Yes, it was necessary to receive calls of destiny. Yes, I stood on the brink of life and death. But it has made me a different person, I have appeared “backbone” changed world.

God never takes away from everything human. Something takes, but then bestows great. A person who is able to see it, never want to take revenge on instruments that God used.

– The war, which continues to the east – one more test. How long will our society to stop dividing people into “us”, “alien”, “Lviv”, “Donetsk”, “Kiev”?

– If we come out of a sense of revenge, then all of this will be delayed for a long time, and who knows, will there ever be peace in Ukraine.

But I can imagine a situation in which it is the regions that today cause us indignation and some malice, in certain circumstances, can become engines of development of Ukraine.

Давайте представим: справедливость восторжествовала — Крым возвращается Украине. Но возвращается он в руки не украинских чиновников, которые отчасти в ответе за сложившуюся ситуацию, а в руки настоящих хозяев этой земли — крымских татар. Я бывал в Крыму и посещал кофейни, дома, принадлежащие крымским татарам. Это же была ляля! Они так любят эту землю, что никогда не смогут ей навредить. Только те, у кого нет кровной привязанности, способны на то, что сейчас делает этническое российское или русскоязычное население. Эту землю, будь она отдана крымским татарам, мы бы не узнали. Они бы превратили её в сад.

Similarly, with the Donetsk team. I remember how during the reign of Yanukovych, I concluded: his countrymen – very dynamic, ambitious, nelenivyh people. The only negative – the wrong value basis. In a short span of time they impose on Ukraine exactly the diabolical, irregular basis.

But we put this dynamism on the right spiritual foundation, they would become the locomotive of Ukraine.

– To do this, we need reforms in education?

– In education, too. But education – this decade. And I say that we need a rebirth now. Today’s young people, in a sense, already formed. I am very much looking forward to from her, because she is not a carrier of stereotypes, the older generation.

But we still do not know how to use it. Where young people now? Where her voice in decision-making in our country? Everything is decided by adult uncle, who pushed the young people even during the Maidan, although it actually began with the youth.

This is the first generation that is not the generation of “homo Sovieticus” it will declare itself decisive action – and only then we will change.

Despite the huge number of enthusiasts during the first Maidan representatives of the new generation have not been able to express themselves. But they did it in the second, they – the second generation of the Maidan.

– Can we say that the second Maidan turned out better than the first?

– They won, so I am convinced that from this point of view, were both successful. Speaking of failure or failure, we have in mind the political consequences. But the Ukrainian Maidan were not political revolutions – it is first of all spiritual phenomena. See the spiritual changes more difficult, political – it is easier. The latter really is not enough.

Maidan The aim was to change not just the political parameters and the mentality of the vast country, of all people, from head to toe.

Some animals change their skin all at once – and Ukraine. It seemed at one point, several efforts trying this old skin to relieve himself.

This is a global change, I can only be compared with the adoption of Christianity in Russia. And living as if the “inside” of transformation, of course, it seems that “all is lost”. I am an optimist who sees the huge potential of the Ukrainian people. I was delighted with the words British expert Sherry: “Ukraine – a country with a weak state and strong civil society in Russia – a country with a strong state and a weak civil society.”.

But we still demand: “We want a strong state, as in Russia!” He will not have this. We have a different nature, we the civil society on the other spiritual foundation is necessary to put. Then the government will have to reckon with the civil society.

– How do you feel, whether the third Maidan?

– I’m afraid to call it the third Maidan, because I always hear: “Third Independence – Independence of revenge.”

I do not want revenge Maidan. I want a spiritual phenomenon. We need one more push to throw off the old skin.

– What books have impressed you so much that you are advised to read them?

– You probably expect that will call the name of a Western intellectual who writes about unlocking the meaning of life. And I find it in the Bible. I do not say, of course, you need only read it. But in this book you can always see something new. Such continuous dialogue with me and the book Mary Valltorta “Bogocholovіk”.

Shevchenko is now urgent as ever. Take now “Kobzarik” open – yes, he yells about what is happening.

Ukraine need solidarity? Read “The Three Musketeers,” Dumas. There is love, friendship, and support – all that is so necessary to us today. None of intellectual research has not made such an impression on me, as this book.

– Whom Ukrainian society should be grateful for a human rights defender and journalist Miroslav Marynovych? Who shaped you as a person?

– First of all, his mother and sister. They were my support, formed the world, given the spiritual basis of life. And yet this fellow dissidents and their relatives. I think of these people as the door closed prison cell, and I was left alone. Already there was no one to help me, not to anyone was to play the role. Nevertheless, I always thought of them, those who remained behind the scenes, and I knew I could not let them blame me for some things.

Many of these people are no longer alive. I remember them with great gratitude and thank God for what they have been in my life.

Interviewed by Anna Sinyaschik

Miroslav Marinović – dissident, human rights activist, journalist, theologian, founder of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, the organizer of amnisterskogo movement in Ukraine, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv, a member of the initiative group “First of December” and Nestorovskoy group

Sourse, 14/04/2016

The Catholic Church for the sake of ephemeral “dialogue with Moscow” missed the truth

February 15, 2016

The meeting of the Pope and the Patriarch of Moscow found epochal failures Vatican diplomats who can not look out into the real world, says Miroslav Marinović, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University, a former political prisoner, a Ukrainian human rights activist and founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group.

“Dad had an opportunity to defend the interests of the offended Russian aggression had but did not use it.”, – notes Marinovic in his article in the “Ukrainian Truth”.

He is convinced that the Cuban declaration two primates is designed so that about Russia it refers to as a region, “an unprecedented revival of the Christian faith”, where there is the opportunity to “practice their religion freely,” while the alarm appears only when it comes to other countries.

“The Cuban declaration of the Pope and the Patriarch of Moscow is a vivid illustration of several things: the indisputable victory of the FSB and the Kremlin, with all their obedient tools, to which I refer, and the Russian Orthodox Church, and the total defeat of Ukrainian public diplomacy at the Vatican and the apparent lack of it Information Service by the UGCC; helpless blindness and incompetence of the Vatican diplomacy, which is easy to confuse peaceful lexicon; and alarming failure of influential circles of Europe decode deceitful formulas Putin’s propaganda “- Marinovic said.

“That’s why I have a pain conclude on the issue of Ukraine and the Russian Catholic Church for the sake of ephemeral” dialogue with Moscow “once again missed with the truth”, – he stressed.

Joint Declaration of Pope Francis and the head of the Russian Orthodox Church Kirill (Gundyaeva) was signed at the airport in Havana February 12. Ukrainian translation posted on the site, “Vatican Radio”. The Russian version – on the site of the ROC.

Sourse, 14/02/2016

Maidan-2016 in Ukraine, is it real?

January 5, 2016

Ukraine needs to develop, rather than return to a state of Kuchma’s regime. This was stated by Ukrainian human rights activist and founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University Myroslav Marinovic.

According to him, a stalemate has to be resolved in 2016, has evolved in the Ukrainian parliament.

“I have a feeling that, in political terms, was fastened a knot that can not be cut. The main war, which implicitly is in Ukraine, a war between the oligarchs and the people reform society, who want to implement the mandate received from the Maidan. This is a power struggle, I think, in 2016 resolved “, – said the expert.

According to founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, in 2016 we should not exclude the possibility of protests.

“The government must listen to the voice of society, sounded very drastic way. But I am opposed to emotional appeals, figuratively speaking, “all on the forks.” I want this government was a political alternative, but in a democratic sense of the word. Ukraine needs to develop, rather than return to a state of Kuchma’s regime, “- says human rights activist.

At the same time, Miroslav Marinović does not believe in “the third Maidan-2016.”

“Politically there is no alternative. All these radicals such as Lyashko – is not an option. This emotion, beyond which you should not clear Ukraine’s reform program. So I would be very worried if the third Maidan seized power radicals that can destroy, but can not create anything meaningful, “- concluded Marinovic.

Sourse, 04/01/2016

Not convicted crimes comes back

September 22, 2015

Seven years in the camps and five years in exile – as Miroslav Marinović has received from the Soviet government for what was one of the founders of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group. He says he lived behind bars spiritually rich, richer lives, than it is now. Dissident and human rights activist, member of the initiative “First of December”, the vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University has recently entered into a three of the major moral authorities of Ukraine according to the magazine “New Era”. During the discussion, “Lessons of History” in Lviv Mr Marinovic spoke about the main dilemma of the Soviet era, which again becomes relevant.

– It is a struggle between the instinct of self-preservation ( “not put out because srezhut”) and the voice of conscience, the natural human desire to do good that is given to him at birth. In Soviet times, this struggle gave rise to two types of personality. The first type – people who completely obey the instinct of self-preservation – the so-called homo soveticus. People willing to hide in a crack, to protect themselves from evil. The second type – the people that won the voice of conscience, and who became dissidents and joined the resistance movement.

error dissidents

This dilemma is returned. She, like Halley’s comet, which rotates around the sun, sometimes approaching Earth. Only every new generation, every era attaches to this dilemma the new parameters. Today, it is relevant for Ukraine, and for the world. On the one hand – a security issue: how to prevent World War III? How not to annoy Putin, that he did not destroy Ukraine? And on the other, how to protect the values ​​that underpin human civilization, for which twice went Maidan? Again a struggle between the instinct of self-preservation and the call of morality.

The main reason that this dilemma is returned, is that we are not condemned the crimes of communism, not expiated his sin. Partial responsibility for this lies with the dissidents.

In the early ’90s we did not want to carry out a new Nuremberg trial. It was important not to punish past and make a new social contract. The crimes of the communist regime, it seemed to me so obvious that the Communists themselves are aware of them and want to live a new life. I compared the crimes of communism with the crime of Cain, which, as we know from the Bible, is subject only to the judgment of God. It believed that if we manage to overcome the spiritual communism, we will be able to do without formal legal judgment. That was a mistake.

communist crime turned Kuchma crimes period, a symbol which is Georgiy Gongadze. Crimes Kuchma period were not, despite the slogan of “bandits – the prison,” convicted after the Orange Revolution. Political prisoners soon became political opponents and chase them was impossible. Consequently, crimes Yanukovych Kuchma period turned into crimes, which also are still not punished and condemned. Still there are untouchables, those people that for reasons of political expediency is still justice.

error in Europe

War of 1939 started two world monster – the Nazi regime in Germany and the communist Soviet regime. They began this deadly tango together, and then one of them turned their weapons against the other, and they came together in battle.

Soviet troops invaded Finland – this is definitely the culprit. And the very soldiers deploying weapons against the Nazis, became a conquering hero. This dual role of the Soviet Union in World War II – the role of the forces started the war itself it victoriously completed – are now involves much confusion.

According to West, suffering and heroism in the “Soviet people” during the war, give a moral right not to look into the crimes of the Gulag, not to think of Stalin’s purges. So we have a double standard in the treatment of the crimes of those times. The world heard the screams of people being tortured in the cellars of the Gestapo, but heard cries of tortured NKVD.

Timothy Snyder wrote that there is a difference in the historical memory of Western and Eastern Europe. East has experienced in the twentieth century two terrible totalitarian regime, and the West must recognize and rethink it. Victory over nazism should not close our eyes to the other side of the Soviet regime – criminal. “Can a prisoner who died in Vorkuta, to be happy, that died in Dachau?” – he wrote the Polish philosopher Leszek Kolakowski.

After the fall of the Third Reich in Germany held a hearing. After the fall of the Polish People’s Republic Voytseh Yaruzelsky also appeared before the court, though he was promised immunity. However, in the early 90’s the Germans tried to convince me: “Do not do Nuremberg-2, it is not necessary!”. Even more than once at the German-Ukrainian readings – and this was the time when Viktor Yushchenko finally raised to the national level the issue of Holodomor – the whole German delegation attacked the Ukrainians: “What are you doing Why raise this topic it not? realize that it mocks Russia, you’ll have new challenges? “.

So, the rule of law has worked in Europe, but she tried to block or at least delay a similar process in the post-Soviet space. These delays have led to what is already current generation must pay the price for the communist crimes. It seems to me that Heavenly hundreds, and soldiers killed at the front – the victim of what communism was not convicted in a timely manner. And part of the responsibility for what is happening today in Ukraine is on Europe.

Sourse, 21/09/2015

The formula of struggle

August 22, 2015

As a dissident Miroslav Marinović, who was convicted by a Soviet court for lying and anti-Soviet propaganda, it became one of the most influential people in today’s Ukraine and the head of one of the best universities.

In the Perm prison, a group of prisoners as a heated argument with a supervisor. Parties clearly do not find a common language. And then passed them prisoner. “Oh, so he will not lie! Come, please!” – refers to the prisoner overseer Miroslav Marinović. The irony lies in the fact that the Ukrainian dissident who had the reputation in prison honest and uncompromising man was sentenced for lying and anti-Soviet agitation.

Marinovic, known as an anti-Soviet, Soviet special services and a cheat, really would lie not. Being on the side of truth – his credo. Since the end of 1960 – even from his student years – the principles of life and a heightened sense of justice forced him to defend the rights in a regulated framework of the Soviet regime the country.

he said that even in the most terrible moments when he thought he was dying, never regretted his position. “Good does not win every battle, but winning the war – now says Marinovic – This perspective was in me from the beginning. I’ll be on the side of good, even if I lose.”

Now Marinovic stands good in the Ukrainian Catholic University (UCU), which is cited as the most progressive universities in the country. He – the permanent vice-rector of the institution, which is just 13 years of existence, has become one of the best sites for the training of journalists and business executives. According to international research firm Hay Group, UCU among the top five Ukrainian universities, whose popularity is growing rapidly.

In addition, the dissident works in the so-called Nestorovskoy group that develops after euromaidan vision of Ukraine’s mission. The document, which happens as a result, will form the basis of the country strategy. A similar experience in intellectual is already there: in the early 2000s, he developed a similar document for the city, which as a result has helped him become one of the most successful Russian cities.

The right to the word

At the time of the conclusion – seven years in prison and five years of exile – Marinovic was only 27 years old. By the time he has already weighed in dissident circles of Ukraine, as well as an impressive list of sins in the folder of the KGB investigators.

Collect dirt on the young Ukrainian nationalist state security began in the years of his studies at the Lviv Polytechnic, where he had the imprudence to criticize the Soviet system. The first serious warning Marinovic was in 1973, when with friends laid flowers at the monument to Taras Shevchenko in Kiev. “Crime” was that he paid tribute to the officially recognized poet, who died in Russia, on May 22 – the day of his reburial in Ukraine. The commemoration of that date, the Soviet secret service was considered a manifestation of nationalism.

With Shevchenko linked another case, glorified Marynovych far outside dissident circles. In 1976, he and his friend Nikolay Matusevich during the celebration of another anniversary of the day Shevchenko’s birth, which took place in the Kiev Philharmonic, took the stage and sang Zapovit. The official program, which consisted of songs about “how good to live in a Soviet country,” and read the diary of Shevchenko in Russian, the main product of Ukrainian poet not included.

“The evening was held in Russian, and it was a slap in the face to all Ukrainian,” – explains our original Marinovic indignation: he just could not tolerate such abuse. After leaving the stage, he is a bit made secure by saying that Zapovit Shevchenko loved to Vladimir Lenin. However, the safety net has not helped. When he began to play the piano, one who arranges concerts shouted: “The concert is over!” But the audience picked up Zapovit, and when turned off the light, began to sing louder.

“It was a complete defeat of those who ran and screamed that the concert is over,” – says Marinovic.

When it was over, out of the Philharmonic Friends feared, besides the entrance stood a car, and they assumed that it sit gebisty. But right there were people who came to the concert. They surrounded the brave men and conducted to the subway.

Then the KGB Marynovych not touched. “I’m happy to have been involved in at this point – he speaks of those events is now -. Such gestures have to be among the nations, they must be equal to the Ukrainians, because it maintains people in some valuable positions, gives examples of courage.”

Arrested a young dissident in 1977. “Early in the morning the doorbell rang insistently, – recalls the day the arrest of Tamil Matusevich, the sister of his best friend Marynovych, in the apartment where they lived then -. At first, we did not open, because they understood who came, but they rang and rang.”

To arrest he was ready. By the time Marinovic was already six months in the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, human rights activities. Then there was only ten brave men who gathered evidence of violations of the rights of compatriots and tried to establish the accreditation of foreign journalists in Kyiv.

“It was the dethronement of the Soviet myth, in which millions of people believed in the west, – says about the activities of the Helsinki Group Iosif Zisels, dissident, who was also a member -. We have shown that beautiful façade lying behind him – blood and crime.”

However, the Soviet court interpreted these activities under the anti-Soviet agitation and propaganda and denounced Marynovych the maximum sentence – seven years in prison.

In the camp among the political, he quickly began to enjoy prestige, says Oles Shevchenko, who was imprisoned with Marinovic (later was a member of the Verkhovna Rada of I convocation), “came to him, to solve a conflict, difficult situation or just for advice” .

Shevchenko recalls the joint celebration of Easter in 1981. On the eve of the guards warned the prisoners that the religious rite forbidden. “But we brought bread from the dining room, and in the barracks we had jam and sunflower oil – says Shevchenko -. Of these, we blinded the passover.” For this freedom of all prisoners then sent to a punishment cell.

However Marinovic not silent: he wrote a letter to the Pope on violations of the rights of believers in Soviet prisons. “Write it was impossible, so he” wrote “his head – says Shevchenko -. And then transferred to the paper and handed it to chance.”

Surprisingly, Marynovych letter to the pontiff came, and he even held a prayer service in support of Soviet political prisoners.

Varlam Shalamov, the last Stalinist camps, wrote about them as a place where the “dehumanization”. Marinovic, on the other hand, recalls his life behind barbed wire as a time of intense spiritual growth. Firstly, in the camp, he said, he had gathered a brilliant intellectual society, including writers Nikolai Rudenko and Eugene Sverstyuk poet Zenoviy Krasivskaya.

Under their influence Marinovic started writing poems in prison, and prepared a book of the Gospel of God’s fool, who released after release. Now he argues that it is in detention found faith in God.

God willing

Return Marynovych to Ukraine coincided with the beginning of perestroika. Then he began to study theology. First there were articles on inter-church peacefulness in the newspaper of the city of Drohobych, where he settled after the conclusion. “The end of the ’80s – it was a time of religious conflicts, – he explains the choice of the theme -. I have suffered from it, I saw it absurd, unwise and unpatriotic, prejudicial to the independence of Ukraine.”

Marynovych later invited to read lectures about the history of religion in Drohobych Pedagogical University. But after studying the course of history of religion in the United States, he established and headed the Institute of Religion and Society at the Lviv Theological Academy.

In parallel, he begins to work in the department of Ukrainian Association of Amnesty International and shrugs off suggestions go into politics – he repeatedly offered to run for the MPs. Marynovych not even managed to persuade his friend, Vyacheslav Chornovil, a dissident and political prisoner, and later – the founder of the People’s Movement of Ukraine.

Now Marinovic busy that loves – scientific work at UCU. Lectures, he does not read, but from time to time speaks to students with special inspiring “sermons”. “He – our living conscience, – said Otar Dovzhenko, a journalist and professor of journalism of the university -. His presence will ensure that the Criminal Code there is no corruption, no gotchas.”

When Marinovic UCU has become one of the most dynamic universities in the country – it is constantly evolving, says journalist and media expert Evgeny Hlibovytsky, worked with Marinovic first in Univskoy group, which developed the vision of Lvov, and now – in Nestorovskoy group, which is working on a strategic vision of Ukraine.

“The group Univskoy he did an unimaginable amount of work, – enthusiastically tells Hlibovytsky -. And such a man of his status can be neglected is his religious setting Marinovic did not want to practice arrogance…”

Many familiar with it people talk about his amazing honesty and inner freedom. And talking to HB, Marinovic remembered the story of how the nearly renounced his beliefs. It was in Kiev in the early ’70s. Young Marinovic a long time could not get a job because of the intervention of the KGB. Once he was an acquaintance invited to try on a prestigious location – the editorial board of the Soviet Ukrainian Encyclopedia.

“And I’m going to an interview and say to myself, in a whisper, that if I would take on the job, May 22 at the monument to Shevchenko will not go” – is now recognized Marinovic.

He is now with shame recalls the case and adds that it is convinced that no compromise will not survive – a characteristic feature of the Soviet man. This way of thinking is still working, and that he is the reason that the country can not change radically, he says in the conclusion of the conversation. The problem of the fate of the country today for Marynovych – the most important.

Sourse, 21/08/2015

About Ukrainian education reforms and things which really unites and divides the people of one country

May 19, 2015

Miroslav Marinović, Ukrainian human rights activist and scholar of religion, founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group and organizer amnisterskogo movement in Ukraine, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv. A man whose opinions heard. Probably, most of the democratic parties of Ukraine would like to see Miroslav Francovich on their lists, but for the most Marynovych success is not measured by the steps of the career ladder. One of the most influential Ukrainians told Politeka of Ukrainian education reforms and that really unites and divides the people of a country.

Miroslav Francovich first met with the KGB in the university years – for criticizing the Soviet policy. In 27 years, Miroslav Marinović has become a founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, and since then has come under constant surveillance. And then – the charges of anti-Soviet agitation and propaganda, imprisonment and exile, 150 days in a punishment cell, and hunger strikes.

This time Miroslav Francovich refers to one of the brightest periods of his life, because that is the conclusion made, according to a human rights activist, as “the man with the backbone.” Regularly refusing all offers to enter parliament, according to its mission involvement in changing the mentality of people and speech to parliament prefers to communicate with young people.

Politeka: Independence, volunteering, united opposition of the enemy Ukrainians, but can we say that we really become one? whether society needs, in your opinion, in the transformations, or the path to unity can be considered passed?

M. Marinovic: We discussed a lot about this in Nestorovskoy group, and came to the conclusion that a nation has already been created, and now it needs to be upgraded. This problem was I could be formulated differently. On the Independence, and especially during the war with Russia, a nation united common problem and a common desire to protect themselves from the enemy. It is a powerful unifying force. But the war end sooner or later – and then what? In other words, we need to rapidly develop a positive concept of a single state, so that the people united around shared values, which are so powerfully voiced Maidan: human dignity, national and religious freedom, the rule of law, public morality and social justice. Public demand for these values ​​is – do not have enough faith in what we can for them to become successful.

Politeka: Ukraine is now going through a very difficult time, which was the legacy of a paternalistic state, in which we have lived for so long. You travel a lot, and, in your opinion, if there is Ukrainians – on both sides of the Dnieper River – a desire to return to a usable form of life as paternalism?

M. Marinovic: Actually, we are from a paternalistic state has not yet emerged. Of course, society has changed significantly compared with Soviet times, but a chronic state management system is not dismantled. We still make the “hole course” repair the old Soviet way. Oligarchic system abuses paternalistic instincts of the population does not develop small and medium-sized businesses – that is, precisely those who overcame a paternalistic stereotypes. Therefore, Ukraine has not yet sounded the march “Farewell of Slav”, but the truth and that we are already very close to this. But regional differences are insignificant, and sometimes in Dnepropetrovsk can be found a more dynamic business elite than in Galicia.

Politeka: In his publications and interviews You’re saying that the Ukrainians are united East and West, they have the same expectations and aspirations. But why, in that case, there is a conflict where the line that divides people?

M. Marinovic: The border does exist, but it is mobile. In the early 1990s, it was held on Zbruch. While in Galicia were intensive processes of ideological and religious restructuring – then point the finger at Galicia as a region with an expressive “inflammation”. Presidential and parliamentary elections later times indicated that this boundary initially approached the Dnieper, then spread through him and to “win” the north of Ukraine. Then he stopped, having fenced off a so-called South East. Today, “inflammation” is precisely in this part of the country. Gone was the homogeneity of the local political orientations, once a single monolith disintegrated into fragments, which are active – in pain and agony – looking for a new identity. Technically, one could say that the occupied territories of the Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk regions just passed a new frontier, but this conclusion may be premature. Nobody spent here independent surveys, and the consequences of the occupation for many may be unexpected. Therefore, we will not jump to conclusions, let us instead build a free and democratic Ukraine – and let God do the rest.

Politeka: Besides the fact that different regions of Ukraine are carriers of different ideologies, they speak at least two languages. Periodically there talk of “non-discrimination of the Russian language.” A striking example – “language law” Kolesnichenko-Kivalov, which could exacerbate the division of society. Euromaidan virtually removed this item from the agenda, but the problem remained. Which can reduce the degree of confrontation and, if possible, remove the language issue? And whether it is necessary Ukraine approved at the state level bilingualism?

M. Marinovic: Model of two state languages ​​in Ukraine is bad, and therefore unacceptable. It is not conducive to the public understanding, but on the contrary, it would be complicating. It’s like that line up on the stadium runners on long distances on the same starting line, ignoring the fact that they then have to run different distances. This ostentatious justice that turns into a lie. Because of the long period Russification Ukrainian language has to “run” at a much greater range and therefore legal handicap should be mandatory for it. But the language problem actually is an instrument of the evil policies when for “bilingualism” the idea of ​​hiding the idea of ​​Russian monolingualism in the already non-Ukrainian state. Moses Fishbein well remarked, saying: “The danger is not in the fact that Russian will become the second state, and that the state would become the second Russian. ” Independence has twice confirmed that when people are equally defend the Ukrainian statehood and dignity, the voltage of the language problem simply disappears.

Politeka: There is much talk about the fact that reforms and promises are not met, does not change anything at all. People are starting to get tired. Do you think that’s what the Ukrainians can cause disappointment in what is happening in the country?

M. Marinovic: The other day I had an interesting conversation with an American who knows the Ukraine. It is not surprising slowness of reforms and maximalism of Ukrainians who want at a time “to jump to Heaven” and not able to see those real changes that are already transforming their lives. Here it harms not just the desire for more and utopian hope that everything can change quickly, and psychological fatigue, if everything does not happen immediately. But the Anglo-Saxons, according to my companion, well aware that the long journey can be overcome only small but successful steps. Therefore, we must believe in the Ukraine, and keep in mind that these steps do not have to “someone in Kiev”, but we ourselves.

Politeka: One way or another, but quite most of the news and conversations are now feykovye. Staged events, rumors, subjectivity (subjectivity especially influential persons), the emotions and the absence of a critical attitude to the news – all these factors affect the information field and, accordingly, those who follow him. We are all aware of the propaganda machine of the Russian Federation, but why produce false Ukrainian opinion leaders, consciously designed it? How to resist the lies?

M. Marinovic: Lie there for as long as humanity exists. This utopia – to think that you can get rid of it. But the feature of present-day time becomes a man’s inability to distinguish between truth and lies – and this is a great danger. Previously, the Soviet regime was forced to put the jammers, because people had enough to hear the voice of the free world – and they recognize the truth. Today, Putin’s regime jammers are not necessary – people already zombified so that it is not able to distinguish truth from falsehood. It is because our goal – to restore to the people the proper value basis, which is able to save the situation.

Politeka: How do you assess the establishment of the Anti-Corruption Bureau? Do I need to lyustrirovat officials stole millions from the budget, or whether they need to be immediately judged?

M. Marinovic: Ukraine must act the rule of law. This means that the abuse of power crime must be punished. The question is how it is, depends on the seriousness of the crime: someone needed lyustrirovat, and someone – a judge. Justice must also be sensitive to genuine repentance and be able to distinguish it from evil justifications “Kolyadniki-judges.”

Politeka: A very important question of education in Ukraine. How do you see Ukrainian higher education in five years? Which universities will remain, which will be closed due to reforms and conscious choice of students? What, in your opinion, should be changed in the system of higher education?

M. Marinovic: This question can not be answered in one sentence. The Soviet system of higher education also powerfully acted paternalism: universities have been selected freedom, instead of the state, “spoon-feed”. With this must be dealt with. Universities should receive tangible autonomy, thus becoming responsible for their status and level of education. You have to be prepared for the fact that to find a new balanced system of European education in Ukraine will not be easy – it takes time and proactive educators. But this way we must go.

Interviewed by Alla Bakr

Sourse, 18/05/2015

Decommunisation laws of Ukraine: it is necessary to go ahead

May 8, 2015

The President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko has to sign laws decommunisation. Indignation of some of the population will, in any case, but can not always look at the past.

This is a comment IA ZIK said human rights activist, journalist, theologian, founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv, Miroslav Marinović.

“I do know that these laws need to sign, implement them and do not look at those who will always cling to the past. We must go forward, “- he stressed.

According to Miroslav Marynovych, Russia spends a lot of money to Ukraine arose public indignation at about decommunisation laws. Thus, a certain part of the population is dissatisfied with the matter, Poroshenko to sign these laws or not.

“I do not exclude that the president waits until May 9. But, anyway, will be provocations. However, without doubt, the law must be signed. We have more than 20 years, we looked at those for whom it may be a trauma. As a result, they not only did not appreciate this gesture, and vice versa – have done everything to “invite” Russia and make us a semblance of civil war, “- said human rights activist.

Recall, April 9 Rada endorsed the draft law “On the condemnation of the Communist and National Socialist (Nazi) totalitarian regimes and ban their symbolism propaganda» (number 2558).

The law defines criminal Communist and Nazi regimes, which have claimed millions of Ukrainians. In Ukraine, introduced the responsibility for advocating Communist and Nazi regimes and the public use of their symbolism.

Production, distribution and use of Communist symbols, anthems of the USSR and the Ukrainian SSR shall be punished by restriction of freedom for up to five years, or imprisonment.

Also established procedures and deadlines for renaming objects that are “communist” name. On the streets of Ukrainian cities will take away the symbols and monuments that glorify the totalitarian regime functionaries.

Sourse, 07/05/2015

About Putin, remains of Soviet thinking and freedom of the nation

April 18, 2015

Vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University (UCU), human rights activist and theologian, founder of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, Miroslav Marinović – one of those people who are considered moral authorities era. He modestly calls himself an optimist, and a happy person, because the Ukraine, for which he has fought since the 70s, gained statehood, independence and freedom in his eyes.

Marinovic sooner became a dissident: 27 years, he was among the founders of the Helsinki Human Rights Group, and a year later for the unauthorized reading from the Kiev Conservatory scene poem Taras Shevchenko Zapovit sent him to seven years in a strict-regime camp and another five years in exile.

Later in his book The Gospel of God’s fool Marinovic he wrote that in the camp, despite all the hardships, it was much easier than, for example, in the Soviet army. Paradoxically, the free people in the USSR, he found behind the barbed wire, and not outside it.

In the 90 Marinovic he engaged in human rights activities, and participated in public life and at the same time repeatedly refused a political career and fame.

Today, 66-year-old theologian engaged in favorite business – working with students and formulates his own deep religious understanding of the processes taking place in Ukraine.

We meet in the main building of UCU in Lviv, in a small room in the attic of the building. In his office, littered with books and pictures, smells good freshly made coffee. Offering a traditional welcome drink Lviv, Marinovic moves closer to the table and plunged into the conversation.

Independence and war – is the next stage of growth in freedom. Naturally, we are facing in this process with growing pains. Dignity revolution gave us national solidarity – people came to the square every man for himself, and returned to the nation area. But we still do not fully understand the freedom and do not know how to use it.

It is a long and difficult process, but we want everything at once, and this results in a talk about the third Maidan. I am sure that in our power to have no enemies of the Ukrainian state, which means that there is no need to revolt. Maidan – that is our freedom, but our democracy. Today we have to learn how to create persistent political groups to defend their interests.

Frequent change of power at the same time should not frighten us. During the test, and government crises are changing rapidly, because people’s needs are changing. For example, in post-war Italy changed its authority every six months, and over the country while laughing the whole of Europe, but it was an important step in achieving the growth of freedom.

Creating a nation for a year, now we have to modernize it. This means to get rid of the Soviet paternalistic management model. The current government until it is difficult for – all they want to do everything to give. But in a country where there is war and ruined the economy it is impossible. You need to let go of people and to be honest we can not provide you, but it will create conditions for you to help yourself.

I am absolutely not afraid of the emergence in Ukraine of several centers of political influence. The main thing is that they did not divide the country issues civilizational choice – between Russia and Europe. And I’m wondering if there are any in popular support for the ex-governor of the Dnipropetrovsk region Igorya Kolomoyskogo all the same manifestations of paternalism: that someone strong solve the problem for us? And maybe the same principle we follow in our European choice? Once the Soviet Union and Russia have discredited themselves, we will go to the EU?

Each time, growing in freedom, we have to ask ourselves these questions. Otherwise, the risk is great to choose Europe, not realizing that we choose.

In vain you think that the Soviet way of thinking only in the east but not in Galicia. For example, garbage lustration – people happily rushed to administer lynch bad officials, throwing them in the trash. And this is after the dignity of the revolution, where we fought against the degradation of man, for the rule of law.

I’m back here in Galicia, say you that our courts do not know? We – the little people, and we did not achieve justice. This is the manifestation of Soviet thinking. We still do not believe in their capabilities, by virtue of the joint action. And because any number we can call ourselves anti-Communist ideology, but to show their business these ideas. Not only grow in freedom, it is important to grow in morality.

The deepest biblical revelation for me: the Promised Land can be attained only when disappear those who remember the taste of slavery in Egypt. I would like to say that we can get rid of the Soviet past, but I can not. In this great and sad lesson for Ukraine. Maidan generation – it is people with different levels of assimilation of freedom, but they appeared only after almost 20 years of independence, and these people are still too few in power. We will have to wait until the grow another generation that will fall behind the current one.

Moses meaning of 40 years in that society begins to speak the same language, see a common goal. And that’s just at this moment the prophet led people to sacred Mount Sinai. Our Sinai is yet to come.

I judge by the way behaves in our leadership, and realize that they are on the brink. People in government understand that they needed to be in power for long, because now it is important to learn in a civilized and responsible to transmit and receive power.

Preferred Position Ukrainians – to be on the side of truth, and all the time to check yourself in it . This makes it possible to survive even in a desperate situation. I remember another young first came to Moscow. Snow-covered town, a powerful imperial grandeur. Then I thought, and I decided to oppose this force? And then I met a well-known dissident General Pyotr Grigorenko and knew I wanted to be a strong and sincere with. And this feeling – that the truth is not outside the Kremlin walls, and these weak, but honest people – gave me the strength and peace of mind even in camps, under threat of death.

During the years of independence, the Russians lost the ability to distinguish between good and evil. Remember, in the Soviet era in the way of information from the West to the Soviet listeners were “jammers”? But people still understand intuitively what is true. And now “jammers” No, but it destroyed the propaganda value of any information. All deep archaic instincts – blood, revenge, death – are used to deprive people of the ability to distinguish good. This is the biggest tragedy.

Previously, the Russians were capable of empathy. But in Soviet times there was a rigidity, anger and slavish submission. Man looking like themselves justify, and therefore shows the hatred of those who are the cause of his own weakness. The fact that the Russians now do not like the Ukrainians and believe the propaganda, there is this component, “Look, they escaped, got rid of their king, and we can not.” This humiliation is transformed into hatred, and sends them to war.

Putin in this war can only be stopped by force. If Ukraine has received a lethal weapon, it would be a red line. The Kremlin would have realized that further means war situation can not be controlled. On the other hand, I have the feeling that God has given us today this fragile truce balance that we find non-obvious response to the situation. After each party, acting in its own logic, leads humanity to a third world war. How to prevent this? Where is this unusual time? Perhaps, in this dispensation for Ukraine – to escape, finding a solution?

I understand very well Hope Savchenko, her hunger strike – is a way to stay human. She, like Gogol’s hero, must outline the circle around itself, so that no evil force there has not penetrated, and the hunger strike she did. I and many of my comrades, starving in the camps were well aware that the so-totalitarian power never win. But to put a barrier between you and the power, for which you are a grain of sand – to prisoner of conscience is an important point.

Protection of human rights and the Christian faith does not get along very harmoniously in me. But the issue of choice, I do not take tragic. I do not remember any stage of his life, where such a choice would not exist. It is important not to destroy the main principle of faith – the love of God through the love of a man. If I give the privilege doctrine, injuring a person, it is wrong. But at the same time, I will always look for an opportunity to hold doctrines, without harming the person – it’s my Christian mission.

5 questions Miroslav Marinović:

– An event that you consider important in your life?

– The decision to join the Ukrainian Helsinki Group.

– What is your favorite city?

– I love the Lions, and I feel good and comfortable in Kiev. It is a city that I was saying goodbye from the car windows, taking me to the camp. And there Drohobych – the city of my childhood.

– What do you get around the city?

– Before the tram, and now because of old age to and from work gives me a university car.

– What is your monthly cost of living?

– Honestly, I do not even use all of his salary. My wife and I help a lot of relatives and friends, to circumvent minimum requirements. I think today that at least 6-8 thousand. UAH.

– What do you seek?

– I was a little worried about career, I feel very comfortable, Vice-Rector and never wanted to be a rector or a politician. More important to me not to make a career, but to be on the good side.

Sourse, 17/04/2015

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It should not be ruled out that violence, terrorist attacks and killings will become the new law of life

December 21, 2016

After the analysis of the terrible events in Aleppo, the world’s terrorist attacks and demonstration killings, it appears that the main and perhaps the main argument of the modern world has become violent.

Violence was originally the shadow of a human life, it is inherent in human nature. Remember his first manifestation – the murder of Abel by Cain. Even then, it is harmoniously entered the life of the world and became co-exist with humans.

Another thing – there have been ebbs and flows of violence. Thus, a positive period of the postwar period was after the Second World War, when humanity said to myself: «newer again» (never again – trans.). Then the world was set up to ensure that never again allow a military nightmare. Then he took a major turning point, which I appreciate as a category of zero-sum and added value.

That is, the principle of zero-sum – is “an eye for an eye,” or “I won and you lost.” It’s a formula that involves violence basis. In turn, the principle of value added – is the principle of cooperation (for the participants get more on cooperation than on the single).

After the war, European civilization adopted the principles of added value and pushed all the antagonisms that have been in Europe before. It seemed forever pushed. But it so happened, as we would.

“With a light hand,” Putin’s violence is back in our lives.

The Russian president has decided to turn the chessboard and make Europe a new force redivision of the world. Unfortunately, this principle has become contagious: many nations become agitated and began to act selfishly, not as agreed earlier.

Of course, in this situation, a lot of the blame lies with the Brussels bureaucracy as cooperation formula, which they offer, often does not satisfy the people. Therefore, the “fashion” to force to resolve the problems returned. Therefore, we should not exclude that violence, acts of terror and murder will become the new law of life.

And it gives me a great disappointment, because I thought that humanity has become much wiser.

Sourse, 20/12/2017

Let’s change the rules of the game and become successful, otherwise we devour Bolshevik mood

November 12, 2016

November 10-11 in Lviv hosts international congress of dissidents and II Crimean forum. The event is timed to the 40th anniversary of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group – association of human rights defenders, who fought against human rights violations in the Soviet Union. Talk about Congress dissidents to one of its organizers – co-founder of UHG, dissident, pro-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University Miroslavom Marinovichem.

In Ukraine, there is a possibility of a new Maidan, but such an event – it is the will of the Holy Spirit, not man. Such an opinion in an interview with «LB.ua» stated Miroslav Marinović.

“The threat is there, but I still want to believe in the natural intuition of Ukrainians. And secondly, I believe that the Maidan – the will of the Holy Spirit, not man. Here Mustafa Nye wrote in Facebook «come to the Maidan,” and people came. Well, now let write … And nothing will happen. See, it’s not because Nye wrote, “- said Marinovic.

He added that Ukraine is on the verge of great changes.

“I really believed that the second Maidan will be the last, after which everything goes forward. Now I see what is not. After such a huge edifice, as the Ukraine, it is difficult to change. A huge car you can not turn as “Zaporozhets”. I believe there will be more ups, only ask God that they were not violent. We had two successful Maidana (we done to them, that’s another issue). But they were successful, because it was the right thing. When there is violence – forget about the support of the Holy Spirit “- Marinovic said.

However, he expressed confidence that the union dissidents in Ukraine in any organization or party is unrealistic.

“This is absolutely unrealistic, and reminds me of the traditional reproach to the initiative group of the First of December -” You are, do some treatment, but why do not you take to work? Why will not the political organization, the party? Young will help you. ” No! It is older people who barely make themselves come to the meeting, and that is not all. This is impossible even to speak. Among them are many weak “- Marinovic said.

Sourse, 11/11/2016

While suffering in the camps, I believe the grace of God

April 15, 2016

Vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv, a founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, Miroslav Marinović told why he was grateful to the Soviet camp, what Putin’s weakness, and why we can not allow a third Maidan – Maidan revenge.

– In your biography there is an interesting fact: in February 1987, while in exile in Kazakhstan, you have refused to petition for clemency. Why?

– In 1987, Gorbachev had to somehow solve the problem of political prisoners. This issue has been a thorn in its relations with the West, and he wanted to get rid of it. But it was necessary to do it nicely, to present everything as “workers’ request.” Therefore, the delegation traveled to the ends of the Union, to persuade people to write letters about his repentance. In this case, the chance to go free were very high.

But when to me was such a delegation, I did not yet know. It looked like this: I came to a group of prosecutors, government officials, the KGB officers, who say: “Write an application, and you immediately released.” I laughed and said: “Listen, I have not written this statement at the beginning of his term, when well understood that if I write, I would be freed That is, I could never sit whole life And now, when I two years of exile left.. you want to buy me in the same sentence – write and you will be released, I will not write anything, all right? “.

And they ask: “Would you please give a written denial?” I was surprised, shrugged his shoulders and say, of course. And he wrote, why can not file a petition for clemency. As it turned out, it was important to get a piece of paper. “Received a letter.” My failure as failures of other dissidents who were perceived as referring to the system.

Later, I was very surprised to learn that at about the same situation was, and the patriarch Joseph Blind – and this despite the fact that he was a prisoner to the other, the Stalinist era. He also asked to state their refusal in writing, which he did. KGB methods do not change.

– Time passes, and the system does not change?

– Rapidly changing external signs, ideology, but the essence remains the lowlands. And selective justice Yanukovych – a selective Soviet justice.

And what it cost to provide medical care in the camps: if you serve the system – you will be treated if you struggle with the system – you may, for example, to open the seal, put there arsenic, and then leave and not to return to the seal closed. And this is only a small bar.

And what about the case where the doctor refused to provide medical assistance to the Russian poet Viktor Nekipelov because in addition to the chest was a cross. He was in a very serious condition, and I gave him a pectoral cross. Victor was grateful to me. A doctor came – and recoiled simply: “No, let him heal you, and I will not be treated.” The name of that “Aesculapius” Pchelnikov. He, I think, would be sitting in the dock during the Nuremberg-2, if there was such a tribunal.

– In one of your speeches you talked about the fact that all crises – economic, political – one source – the human spirit crisis. I have to say is now appropriate that the peak of the crisis on the Ukrainian society is left behind?

– No, the crisis continues to grow. Ukrainian society has made very important things – I’m talking about the Maidan. I highly appreciate the spiritual significance of the Maidan. But in Ukrainian history as it was before: we are much easier to fight for the values ​​than to live in accordance with them.

I remember how impressed Maidan. If you ended up in paradise, where you love everyone and everything – you, and you are convinced of this. You can come to anyone, to say a few words and get an incredible dose of love, care, all the light. On the Independence it was possible, and then they returned to the usual system of coordinates. Many on itself felt, as when “one is a warrior” – about how to steal and steal as demanded bribes and demand, perhaps now even in larger sizes. Evil has become very aggressive. It feels like it is coming to an end.

So we need that there be at least a small group of people, who said: we do not care, we win the election or not, it is important to bring the public a new model of behavior and to implement this model by their actions, deeds and decisions. Only then can we say that the crisis had passed.

– What is missing for the emergence of such a group?

– If you think spiritual category, lacking confidence in each other. And if sociologically-public, we do not lack the solidarity in familiar circumstances. We know how to be united on the Maidan. But under normal circumstances, when you are surrounded by wicked people like to be in solidarity? We see the blackness of each, and people see our blackness.

This is our weakness and a problem: we are ready to live in solidarity, but only with perfect people. And sinners be solidarity we can not, and they therefore do not know how. Vicious circle. We expect a saint, as a result of wallowing in a wicked whirlpool. It is a spiritual problem.

– How to solve it?

– We are all sinners by definition. Lord hopes that realizing it, we can find a way to trust, mutual respect and understanding.

– By the way, of understanding. Commenting on the recent incident with the prohibition of LGBT festival, US ambassador Dzheffri Payett stated that “intolerance in Lviv contradict European future, for which so many Ukrainians have sacrificed.” Why do local authorities and the LGBT community has not been able to meet each other?

– My personal opinion is that what happened in Lviv, was generously paid provocation. The organizers of this event, which, incidentally, were not from the city, deliberately going to the conflict. Looking at those who broke them, too, you can see the elements of the order. Someone needed picture anti-European Lviv to the Dutch referendum, the answer was “no.”

However, I do not want to downplay the issue, saying that in Ukraine and particularly in Lviv, everyone loves the LGBT community. No. It is one thing to fight for their rights, and the other – to show their identity so as to cause a sharp rejection of the religious people.

What purpose was the organizers? Teach tolerance of the community? If they have such a purpose for this would need no gay parades and labor helotic work to convey the idea that we are all different, each with its own identity, respectively, for all of us to live in peace.

And in this particular case, I saw a lot of wickedness, provoking pride.

– Now Ukrainians attention again focused on the struggle for the premiership. In your opinion: Is a change for the better in castling?

– I do not rule out any positive effects. It would be irresponsible to deny a priori any possible positive side castling. People are trying, people want to make a difference – let me be.

What I do not believe – is that the current team of deputies and government officials in Ukraine is ready to make a radical change in the system. I do not believe it, even being on the Maidan, seen in front of the then opposition parties that were in power today. I am grateful for the fact that they kept the Ukraine, saved her from the abyss that opened up in front of her. Honor and praise them.

But Ukraine can change only when clearly realize that this system is incorrect. A current and a government and the presidential team – people who want to save Ukraine from the old system means.

Acting by the old methods, it is possible to temporarily prevent the fall of Ukraine, but radically change the country will not work. The reforms that have been adopted, remind me of the old road patching. Something patched where it became easier to drive. But I can smell the scent of the old Soviet way, on which we are still going. In order to build a new one, you need to act radically: remove the layer completely and give a new foundation. And on it – a new canvas.

– One day, recalling the resilience and courage of Hope Savchenko, you said that “dictators are afraid more than we: it is learned all political prisoners times the resistance movement.” Can we assume that under the pressure of his fear dictator Kremlin’s prisoner release to freedom?

– The fact is that if he was spiritually strong and confident, it would long ago have released it. Strong people are not afraid that they will think about, they make decisions when they dictates of conscience.

Vladimir Putin is weak and a notorious man. It does not find the reason, the reasons for the order to release the Hope, a disaster. I’m not talking about the fact that this system does not like to let go of people. Situation, when the Soviet or kvazisovetskaya, that is the Russian system to let their victims, are unique.

– In one interview you recall that the main purpose of your conclusion at the time, and after him, was not embittered. On or in the whole world?

– This is the interrelated things. Not angry with their abusers, we can reformulate. Do not live thinking about how to take revenge. It is important. It’s one thing when you’re living with the idea of ​​justice, to restore order. Hatred, anger, negative feelings for that you do not need. You light think about how you can correct the situation.

If you think about revenge, hatred is the inevitable companion. And then you will only think about the wrongs that have been in the past. It dooms walk with his head turned in the past, not the future. I do not want it at all. I want to look to the future.

Frankly, while suffering in the camps, I believe the grace of God. Yes, it was necessary to receive calls of destiny. Yes, I stood on the brink of life and death. But it has made me a different person, I have appeared “backbone” changed world.

God never takes away from everything human. Something takes, but then bestows great. A person who is able to see it, never want to take revenge on instruments that God used.

– The war, which continues to the east – one more test. How long will our society to stop dividing people into “us”, “alien”, “Lviv”, “Donetsk”, “Kiev”?

– If we come out of a sense of revenge, then all of this will be delayed for a long time, and who knows, will there ever be peace in Ukraine.

But I can imagine a situation in which it is the regions that today cause us indignation and some malice, in certain circumstances, can become engines of development of Ukraine.

Давайте представим: справедливость восторжествовала — Крым возвращается Украине. Но возвращается он в руки не украинских чиновников, которые отчасти в ответе за сложившуюся ситуацию, а в руки настоящих хозяев этой земли — крымских татар. Я бывал в Крыму и посещал кофейни, дома, принадлежащие крымским татарам. Это же была ляля! Они так любят эту землю, что никогда не смогут ей навредить. Только те, у кого нет кровной привязанности, способны на то, что сейчас делает этническое российское или русскоязычное население. Эту землю, будь она отдана крымским татарам, мы бы не узнали. Они бы превратили её в сад.

Similarly, with the Donetsk team. I remember how during the reign of Yanukovych, I concluded: his countrymen – very dynamic, ambitious, nelenivyh people. The only negative – the wrong value basis. In a short span of time they impose on Ukraine exactly the diabolical, irregular basis.

But we put this dynamism on the right spiritual foundation, they would become the locomotive of Ukraine.

– To do this, we need reforms in education?

– In education, too. But education – this decade. And I say that we need a rebirth now. Today’s young people, in a sense, already formed. I am very much looking forward to from her, because she is not a carrier of stereotypes, the older generation.

But we still do not know how to use it. Where young people now? Where her voice in decision-making in our country? Everything is decided by adult uncle, who pushed the young people even during the Maidan, although it actually began with the youth.

This is the first generation that is not the generation of “homo Sovieticus” it will declare itself decisive action – and only then we will change.

Despite the huge number of enthusiasts during the first Maidan representatives of the new generation have not been able to express themselves. But they did it in the second, they – the second generation of the Maidan.

– Can we say that the second Maidan turned out better than the first?

– They won, so I am convinced that from this point of view, were both successful. Speaking of failure or failure, we have in mind the political consequences. But the Ukrainian Maidan were not political revolutions – it is first of all spiritual phenomena. See the spiritual changes more difficult, political – it is easier. The latter really is not enough.

Maidan The aim was to change not just the political parameters and the mentality of the vast country, of all people, from head to toe.

Some animals change their skin all at once – and Ukraine. It seemed at one point, several efforts trying this old skin to relieve himself.

This is a global change, I can only be compared with the adoption of Christianity in Russia. And living as if the “inside” of transformation, of course, it seems that “all is lost”. I am an optimist who sees the huge potential of the Ukrainian people. I was delighted with the words British expert Sherry: “Ukraine – a country with a weak state and strong civil society in Russia – a country with a strong state and a weak civil society.”.

But we still demand: “We want a strong state, as in Russia!” He will not have this. We have a different nature, we the civil society on the other spiritual foundation is necessary to put. Then the government will have to reckon with the civil society.

– How do you feel, whether the third Maidan?

– I’m afraid to call it the third Maidan, because I always hear: “Third Independence – Independence of revenge.”

I do not want revenge Maidan. I want a spiritual phenomenon. We need one more push to throw off the old skin.

– What books have impressed you so much that you are advised to read them?

– You probably expect that will call the name of a Western intellectual who writes about unlocking the meaning of life. And I find it in the Bible. I do not say, of course, you need only read it. But in this book you can always see something new. Such continuous dialogue with me and the book Mary Valltorta “Bogocholovіk”.

Shevchenko is now urgent as ever. Take now “Kobzarik” open – yes, he yells about what is happening.

Ukraine need solidarity? Read “The Three Musketeers,” Dumas. There is love, friendship, and support – all that is so necessary to us today. None of intellectual research has not made such an impression on me, as this book.

– Whom Ukrainian society should be grateful for a human rights defender and journalist Miroslav Marynovych? Who shaped you as a person?

– First of all, his mother and sister. They were my support, formed the world, given the spiritual basis of life. And yet this fellow dissidents and their relatives. I think of these people as the door closed prison cell, and I was left alone. Already there was no one to help me, not to anyone was to play the role. Nevertheless, I always thought of them, those who remained behind the scenes, and I knew I could not let them blame me for some things.

Many of these people are no longer alive. I remember them with great gratitude and thank God for what they have been in my life.

Interviewed by Anna Sinyaschik

Miroslav Marinović – dissident, human rights activist, journalist, theologian, founder of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, the organizer of amnisterskogo movement in Ukraine, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv, a member of the initiative group “First of December” and Nestorovskoy group

Sourse, 14/04/2016

The Catholic Church for the sake of ephemeral “dialogue with Moscow” missed the truth

February 15, 2016

The meeting of the Pope and the Patriarch of Moscow found epochal failures Vatican diplomats who can not look out into the real world, says Miroslav Marinović, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University, a former political prisoner, a Ukrainian human rights activist and founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group.

“Dad had an opportunity to defend the interests of the offended Russian aggression had but did not use it.”, – notes Marinovic in his article in the “Ukrainian Truth”.

He is convinced that the Cuban declaration two primates is designed so that about Russia it refers to as a region, “an unprecedented revival of the Christian faith”, where there is the opportunity to “practice their religion freely,” while the alarm appears only when it comes to other countries.

“The Cuban declaration of the Pope and the Patriarch of Moscow is a vivid illustration of several things: the indisputable victory of the FSB and the Kremlin, with all their obedient tools, to which I refer, and the Russian Orthodox Church, and the total defeat of Ukrainian public diplomacy at the Vatican and the apparent lack of it Information Service by the UGCC; helpless blindness and incompetence of the Vatican diplomacy, which is easy to confuse peaceful lexicon; and alarming failure of influential circles of Europe decode deceitful formulas Putin’s propaganda “- Marinovic said.

“That’s why I have a pain conclude on the issue of Ukraine and the Russian Catholic Church for the sake of ephemeral” dialogue with Moscow “once again missed with the truth”, – he stressed.

Joint Declaration of Pope Francis and the head of the Russian Orthodox Church Kirill (Gundyaeva) was signed at the airport in Havana February 12. Ukrainian translation posted on the site, “Vatican Radio”. The Russian version – on the site of the ROC.

Sourse, 14/02/2016

Maidan-2016 in Ukraine, is it real?

January 5, 2016

Ukraine needs to develop, rather than return to a state of Kuchma’s regime. This was stated by Ukrainian human rights activist and founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University Myroslav Marinovic.

According to him, a stalemate has to be resolved in 2016, has evolved in the Ukrainian parliament.

“I have a feeling that, in political terms, was fastened a knot that can not be cut. The main war, which implicitly is in Ukraine, a war between the oligarchs and the people reform society, who want to implement the mandate received from the Maidan. This is a power struggle, I think, in 2016 resolved “, – said the expert.

According to founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, in 2016 we should not exclude the possibility of protests.

“The government must listen to the voice of society, sounded very drastic way. But I am opposed to emotional appeals, figuratively speaking, “all on the forks.” I want this government was a political alternative, but in a democratic sense of the word. Ukraine needs to develop, rather than return to a state of Kuchma’s regime, “- says human rights activist.

At the same time, Miroslav Marinović does not believe in “the third Maidan-2016.”

“Politically there is no alternative. All these radicals such as Lyashko – is not an option. This emotion, beyond which you should not clear Ukraine’s reform program. So I would be very worried if the third Maidan seized power radicals that can destroy, but can not create anything meaningful, “- concluded Marinovic.

Sourse, 04/01/2016

Not convicted crimes comes back

September 22, 2015

Seven years in the camps and five years in exile – as Miroslav Marinović has received from the Soviet government for what was one of the founders of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group. He says he lived behind bars spiritually rich, richer lives, than it is now. Dissident and human rights activist, member of the initiative “First of December”, the vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University has recently entered into a three of the major moral authorities of Ukraine according to the magazine “New Era”. During the discussion, “Lessons of History” in Lviv Mr Marinovic spoke about the main dilemma of the Soviet era, which again becomes relevant.

– It is a struggle between the instinct of self-preservation ( “not put out because srezhut”) and the voice of conscience, the natural human desire to do good that is given to him at birth. In Soviet times, this struggle gave rise to two types of personality. The first type – people who completely obey the instinct of self-preservation – the so-called homo soveticus. People willing to hide in a crack, to protect themselves from evil. The second type – the people that won the voice of conscience, and who became dissidents and joined the resistance movement.

error dissidents

This dilemma is returned. She, like Halley’s comet, which rotates around the sun, sometimes approaching Earth. Only every new generation, every era attaches to this dilemma the new parameters. Today, it is relevant for Ukraine, and for the world. On the one hand – a security issue: how to prevent World War III? How not to annoy Putin, that he did not destroy Ukraine? And on the other, how to protect the values ​​that underpin human civilization, for which twice went Maidan? Again a struggle between the instinct of self-preservation and the call of morality.

The main reason that this dilemma is returned, is that we are not condemned the crimes of communism, not expiated his sin. Partial responsibility for this lies with the dissidents.

In the early ’90s we did not want to carry out a new Nuremberg trial. It was important not to punish past and make a new social contract. The crimes of the communist regime, it seemed to me so obvious that the Communists themselves are aware of them and want to live a new life. I compared the crimes of communism with the crime of Cain, which, as we know from the Bible, is subject only to the judgment of God. It believed that if we manage to overcome the spiritual communism, we will be able to do without formal legal judgment. That was a mistake.

communist crime turned Kuchma crimes period, a symbol which is Georgiy Gongadze. Crimes Kuchma period were not, despite the slogan of “bandits – the prison,” convicted after the Orange Revolution. Political prisoners soon became political opponents and chase them was impossible. Consequently, crimes Yanukovych Kuchma period turned into crimes, which also are still not punished and condemned. Still there are untouchables, those people that for reasons of political expediency is still justice.

error in Europe

War of 1939 started two world monster – the Nazi regime in Germany and the communist Soviet regime. They began this deadly tango together, and then one of them turned their weapons against the other, and they came together in battle.

Soviet troops invaded Finland – this is definitely the culprit. And the very soldiers deploying weapons against the Nazis, became a conquering hero. This dual role of the Soviet Union in World War II – the role of the forces started the war itself it victoriously completed – are now involves much confusion.

According to West, suffering and heroism in the “Soviet people” during the war, give a moral right not to look into the crimes of the Gulag, not to think of Stalin’s purges. So we have a double standard in the treatment of the crimes of those times. The world heard the screams of people being tortured in the cellars of the Gestapo, but heard cries of tortured NKVD.

Timothy Snyder wrote that there is a difference in the historical memory of Western and Eastern Europe. East has experienced in the twentieth century two terrible totalitarian regime, and the West must recognize and rethink it. Victory over nazism should not close our eyes to the other side of the Soviet regime – criminal. “Can a prisoner who died in Vorkuta, to be happy, that died in Dachau?” – he wrote the Polish philosopher Leszek Kolakowski.

After the fall of the Third Reich in Germany held a hearing. After the fall of the Polish People’s Republic Voytseh Yaruzelsky also appeared before the court, though he was promised immunity. However, in the early 90’s the Germans tried to convince me: “Do not do Nuremberg-2, it is not necessary!”. Even more than once at the German-Ukrainian readings – and this was the time when Viktor Yushchenko finally raised to the national level the issue of Holodomor – the whole German delegation attacked the Ukrainians: “What are you doing Why raise this topic it not? realize that it mocks Russia, you’ll have new challenges? “.

So, the rule of law has worked in Europe, but she tried to block or at least delay a similar process in the post-Soviet space. These delays have led to what is already current generation must pay the price for the communist crimes. It seems to me that Heavenly hundreds, and soldiers killed at the front – the victim of what communism was not convicted in a timely manner. And part of the responsibility for what is happening today in Ukraine is on Europe.

Sourse, 21/09/2015

The formula of struggle

August 22, 2015

As a dissident Miroslav Marinović, who was convicted by a Soviet court for lying and anti-Soviet propaganda, it became one of the most influential people in today’s Ukraine and the head of one of the best universities.

In the Perm prison, a group of prisoners as a heated argument with a supervisor. Parties clearly do not find a common language. And then passed them prisoner. “Oh, so he will not lie! Come, please!” – refers to the prisoner overseer Miroslav Marinović. The irony lies in the fact that the Ukrainian dissident who had the reputation in prison honest and uncompromising man was sentenced for lying and anti-Soviet agitation.

Marinovic, known as an anti-Soviet, Soviet special services and a cheat, really would lie not. Being on the side of truth – his credo. Since the end of 1960 – even from his student years – the principles of life and a heightened sense of justice forced him to defend the rights in a regulated framework of the Soviet regime the country.

he said that even in the most terrible moments when he thought he was dying, never regretted his position. “Good does not win every battle, but winning the war – now says Marinovic – This perspective was in me from the beginning. I’ll be on the side of good, even if I lose.”

Now Marinovic stands good in the Ukrainian Catholic University (UCU), which is cited as the most progressive universities in the country. He – the permanent vice-rector of the institution, which is just 13 years of existence, has become one of the best sites for the training of journalists and business executives. According to international research firm Hay Group, UCU among the top five Ukrainian universities, whose popularity is growing rapidly.

In addition, the dissident works in the so-called Nestorovskoy group that develops after euromaidan vision of Ukraine’s mission. The document, which happens as a result, will form the basis of the country strategy. A similar experience in intellectual is already there: in the early 2000s, he developed a similar document for the city, which as a result has helped him become one of the most successful Russian cities.

The right to the word

At the time of the conclusion – seven years in prison and five years of exile – Marinovic was only 27 years old. By the time he has already weighed in dissident circles of Ukraine, as well as an impressive list of sins in the folder of the KGB investigators.

Collect dirt on the young Ukrainian nationalist state security began in the years of his studies at the Lviv Polytechnic, where he had the imprudence to criticize the Soviet system. The first serious warning Marinovic was in 1973, when with friends laid flowers at the monument to Taras Shevchenko in Kiev. “Crime” was that he paid tribute to the officially recognized poet, who died in Russia, on May 22 – the day of his reburial in Ukraine. The commemoration of that date, the Soviet secret service was considered a manifestation of nationalism.

With Shevchenko linked another case, glorified Marynovych far outside dissident circles. In 1976, he and his friend Nikolay Matusevich during the celebration of another anniversary of the day Shevchenko’s birth, which took place in the Kiev Philharmonic, took the stage and sang Zapovit. The official program, which consisted of songs about “how good to live in a Soviet country,” and read the diary of Shevchenko in Russian, the main product of Ukrainian poet not included.

“The evening was held in Russian, and it was a slap in the face to all Ukrainian,” – explains our original Marinovic indignation: he just could not tolerate such abuse. After leaving the stage, he is a bit made secure by saying that Zapovit Shevchenko loved to Vladimir Lenin. However, the safety net has not helped. When he began to play the piano, one who arranges concerts shouted: “The concert is over!” But the audience picked up Zapovit, and when turned off the light, began to sing louder.

“It was a complete defeat of those who ran and screamed that the concert is over,” – says Marinovic.

When it was over, out of the Philharmonic Friends feared, besides the entrance stood a car, and they assumed that it sit gebisty. But right there were people who came to the concert. They surrounded the brave men and conducted to the subway.

Then the KGB Marynovych not touched. “I’m happy to have been involved in at this point – he speaks of those events is now -. Such gestures have to be among the nations, they must be equal to the Ukrainians, because it maintains people in some valuable positions, gives examples of courage.”

Arrested a young dissident in 1977. “Early in the morning the doorbell rang insistently, – recalls the day the arrest of Tamil Matusevich, the sister of his best friend Marynovych, in the apartment where they lived then -. At first, we did not open, because they understood who came, but they rang and rang.”

To arrest he was ready. By the time Marinovic was already six months in the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, human rights activities. Then there was only ten brave men who gathered evidence of violations of the rights of compatriots and tried to establish the accreditation of foreign journalists in Kyiv.

“It was the dethronement of the Soviet myth, in which millions of people believed in the west, – says about the activities of the Helsinki Group Iosif Zisels, dissident, who was also a member -. We have shown that beautiful façade lying behind him – blood and crime.”

However, the Soviet court interpreted these activities under the anti-Soviet agitation and propaganda and denounced Marynovych the maximum sentence – seven years in prison.

In the camp among the political, he quickly began to enjoy prestige, says Oles Shevchenko, who was imprisoned with Marinovic (later was a member of the Verkhovna Rada of I convocation), “came to him, to solve a conflict, difficult situation or just for advice” .

Shevchenko recalls the joint celebration of Easter in 1981. On the eve of the guards warned the prisoners that the religious rite forbidden. “But we brought bread from the dining room, and in the barracks we had jam and sunflower oil – says Shevchenko -. Of these, we blinded the passover.” For this freedom of all prisoners then sent to a punishment cell.

However Marinovic not silent: he wrote a letter to the Pope on violations of the rights of believers in Soviet prisons. “Write it was impossible, so he” wrote “his head – says Shevchenko -. And then transferred to the paper and handed it to chance.”

Surprisingly, Marynovych letter to the pontiff came, and he even held a prayer service in support of Soviet political prisoners.

Varlam Shalamov, the last Stalinist camps, wrote about them as a place where the “dehumanization”. Marinovic, on the other hand, recalls his life behind barbed wire as a time of intense spiritual growth. Firstly, in the camp, he said, he had gathered a brilliant intellectual society, including writers Nikolai Rudenko and Eugene Sverstyuk poet Zenoviy Krasivskaya.

Under their influence Marinovic started writing poems in prison, and prepared a book of the Gospel of God’s fool, who released after release. Now he argues that it is in detention found faith in God.

God willing

Return Marynovych to Ukraine coincided with the beginning of perestroika. Then he began to study theology. First there were articles on inter-church peacefulness in the newspaper of the city of Drohobych, where he settled after the conclusion. “The end of the ’80s – it was a time of religious conflicts, – he explains the choice of the theme -. I have suffered from it, I saw it absurd, unwise and unpatriotic, prejudicial to the independence of Ukraine.”

Marynovych later invited to read lectures about the history of religion in Drohobych Pedagogical University. But after studying the course of history of religion in the United States, he established and headed the Institute of Religion and Society at the Lviv Theological Academy.

In parallel, he begins to work in the department of Ukrainian Association of Amnesty International and shrugs off suggestions go into politics – he repeatedly offered to run for the MPs. Marynovych not even managed to persuade his friend, Vyacheslav Chornovil, a dissident and political prisoner, and later – the founder of the People’s Movement of Ukraine.

Now Marinovic busy that loves – scientific work at UCU. Lectures, he does not read, but from time to time speaks to students with special inspiring “sermons”. “He – our living conscience, – said Otar Dovzhenko, a journalist and professor of journalism of the university -. His presence will ensure that the Criminal Code there is no corruption, no gotchas.”

When Marinovic UCU has become one of the most dynamic universities in the country – it is constantly evolving, says journalist and media expert Evgeny Hlibovytsky, worked with Marinovic first in Univskoy group, which developed the vision of Lvov, and now – in Nestorovskoy group, which is working on a strategic vision of Ukraine.

“The group Univskoy he did an unimaginable amount of work, – enthusiastically tells Hlibovytsky -. And such a man of his status can be neglected is his religious setting Marinovic did not want to practice arrogance…”

Many familiar with it people talk about his amazing honesty and inner freedom. And talking to HB, Marinovic remembered the story of how the nearly renounced his beliefs. It was in Kiev in the early ’70s. Young Marinovic a long time could not get a job because of the intervention of the KGB. Once he was an acquaintance invited to try on a prestigious location – the editorial board of the Soviet Ukrainian Encyclopedia.

“And I’m going to an interview and say to myself, in a whisper, that if I would take on the job, May 22 at the monument to Shevchenko will not go” – is now recognized Marinovic.

He is now with shame recalls the case and adds that it is convinced that no compromise will not survive – a characteristic feature of the Soviet man. This way of thinking is still working, and that he is the reason that the country can not change radically, he says in the conclusion of the conversation. The problem of the fate of the country today for Marynovych – the most important.

Sourse, 21/08/2015

About Ukrainian education reforms and things which really unites and divides the people of one country

May 19, 2015

Miroslav Marinović, Ukrainian human rights activist and scholar of religion, founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group and organizer amnisterskogo movement in Ukraine, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv. A man whose opinions heard. Probably, most of the democratic parties of Ukraine would like to see Miroslav Francovich on their lists, but for the most Marynovych success is not measured by the steps of the career ladder. One of the most influential Ukrainians told Politeka of Ukrainian education reforms and that really unites and divides the people of a country.

Miroslav Francovich first met with the KGB in the university years – for criticizing the Soviet policy. In 27 years, Miroslav Marinović has become a founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, and since then has come under constant surveillance. And then – the charges of anti-Soviet agitation and propaganda, imprisonment and exile, 150 days in a punishment cell, and hunger strikes.

This time Miroslav Francovich refers to one of the brightest periods of his life, because that is the conclusion made, according to a human rights activist, as “the man with the backbone.” Regularly refusing all offers to enter parliament, according to its mission involvement in changing the mentality of people and speech to parliament prefers to communicate with young people.

Politeka: Independence, volunteering, united opposition of the enemy Ukrainians, but can we say that we really become one? whether society needs, in your opinion, in the transformations, or the path to unity can be considered passed?

M. Marinovic: We discussed a lot about this in Nestorovskoy group, and came to the conclusion that a nation has already been created, and now it needs to be upgraded. This problem was I could be formulated differently. On the Independence, and especially during the war with Russia, a nation united common problem and a common desire to protect themselves from the enemy. It is a powerful unifying force. But the war end sooner or later – and then what? In other words, we need to rapidly develop a positive concept of a single state, so that the people united around shared values, which are so powerfully voiced Maidan: human dignity, national and religious freedom, the rule of law, public morality and social justice. Public demand for these values ​​is – do not have enough faith in what we can for them to become successful.

Politeka: Ukraine is now going through a very difficult time, which was the legacy of a paternalistic state, in which we have lived for so long. You travel a lot, and, in your opinion, if there is Ukrainians – on both sides of the Dnieper River – a desire to return to a usable form of life as paternalism?

M. Marinovic: Actually, we are from a paternalistic state has not yet emerged. Of course, society has changed significantly compared with Soviet times, but a chronic state management system is not dismantled. We still make the “hole course” repair the old Soviet way. Oligarchic system abuses paternalistic instincts of the population does not develop small and medium-sized businesses – that is, precisely those who overcame a paternalistic stereotypes. Therefore, Ukraine has not yet sounded the march “Farewell of Slav”, but the truth and that we are already very close to this. But regional differences are insignificant, and sometimes in Dnepropetrovsk can be found a more dynamic business elite than in Galicia.

Politeka: In his publications and interviews You’re saying that the Ukrainians are united East and West, they have the same expectations and aspirations. But why, in that case, there is a conflict where the line that divides people?

M. Marinovic: The border does exist, but it is mobile. In the early 1990s, it was held on Zbruch. While in Galicia were intensive processes of ideological and religious restructuring – then point the finger at Galicia as a region with an expressive “inflammation”. Presidential and parliamentary elections later times indicated that this boundary initially approached the Dnieper, then spread through him and to “win” the north of Ukraine. Then he stopped, having fenced off a so-called South East. Today, “inflammation” is precisely in this part of the country. Gone was the homogeneity of the local political orientations, once a single monolith disintegrated into fragments, which are active – in pain and agony – looking for a new identity. Technically, one could say that the occupied territories of the Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk regions just passed a new frontier, but this conclusion may be premature. Nobody spent here independent surveys, and the consequences of the occupation for many may be unexpected. Therefore, we will not jump to conclusions, let us instead build a free and democratic Ukraine – and let God do the rest.

Politeka: Besides the fact that different regions of Ukraine are carriers of different ideologies, they speak at least two languages. Periodically there talk of “non-discrimination of the Russian language.” A striking example – “language law” Kolesnichenko-Kivalov, which could exacerbate the division of society. Euromaidan virtually removed this item from the agenda, but the problem remained. Which can reduce the degree of confrontation and, if possible, remove the language issue? And whether it is necessary Ukraine approved at the state level bilingualism?

M. Marinovic: Model of two state languages ​​in Ukraine is bad, and therefore unacceptable. It is not conducive to the public understanding, but on the contrary, it would be complicating. It’s like that line up on the stadium runners on long distances on the same starting line, ignoring the fact that they then have to run different distances. This ostentatious justice that turns into a lie. Because of the long period Russification Ukrainian language has to “run” at a much greater range and therefore legal handicap should be mandatory for it. But the language problem actually is an instrument of the evil policies when for “bilingualism” the idea of ​​hiding the idea of ​​Russian monolingualism in the already non-Ukrainian state. Moses Fishbein well remarked, saying: “The danger is not in the fact that Russian will become the second state, and that the state would become the second Russian. ” Independence has twice confirmed that when people are equally defend the Ukrainian statehood and dignity, the voltage of the language problem simply disappears.

Politeka: There is much talk about the fact that reforms and promises are not met, does not change anything at all. People are starting to get tired. Do you think that’s what the Ukrainians can cause disappointment in what is happening in the country?

M. Marinovic: The other day I had an interesting conversation with an American who knows the Ukraine. It is not surprising slowness of reforms and maximalism of Ukrainians who want at a time “to jump to Heaven” and not able to see those real changes that are already transforming their lives. Here it harms not just the desire for more and utopian hope that everything can change quickly, and psychological fatigue, if everything does not happen immediately. But the Anglo-Saxons, according to my companion, well aware that the long journey can be overcome only small but successful steps. Therefore, we must believe in the Ukraine, and keep in mind that these steps do not have to “someone in Kiev”, but we ourselves.

Politeka: One way or another, but quite most of the news and conversations are now feykovye. Staged events, rumors, subjectivity (subjectivity especially influential persons), the emotions and the absence of a critical attitude to the news – all these factors affect the information field and, accordingly, those who follow him. We are all aware of the propaganda machine of the Russian Federation, but why produce false Ukrainian opinion leaders, consciously designed it? How to resist the lies?

M. Marinovic: Lie there for as long as humanity exists. This utopia – to think that you can get rid of it. But the feature of present-day time becomes a man’s inability to distinguish between truth and lies – and this is a great danger. Previously, the Soviet regime was forced to put the jammers, because people had enough to hear the voice of the free world – and they recognize the truth. Today, Putin’s regime jammers are not necessary – people already zombified so that it is not able to distinguish truth from falsehood. It is because our goal – to restore to the people the proper value basis, which is able to save the situation.

Politeka: How do you assess the establishment of the Anti-Corruption Bureau? Do I need to lyustrirovat officials stole millions from the budget, or whether they need to be immediately judged?

M. Marinovic: Ukraine must act the rule of law. This means that the abuse of power crime must be punished. The question is how it is, depends on the seriousness of the crime: someone needed lyustrirovat, and someone – a judge. Justice must also be sensitive to genuine repentance and be able to distinguish it from evil justifications “Kolyadniki-judges.”

Politeka: A very important question of education in Ukraine. How do you see Ukrainian higher education in five years? Which universities will remain, which will be closed due to reforms and conscious choice of students? What, in your opinion, should be changed in the system of higher education?

M. Marinovic: This question can not be answered in one sentence. The Soviet system of higher education also powerfully acted paternalism: universities have been selected freedom, instead of the state, “spoon-feed”. With this must be dealt with. Universities should receive tangible autonomy, thus becoming responsible for their status and level of education. You have to be prepared for the fact that to find a new balanced system of European education in Ukraine will not be easy – it takes time and proactive educators. But this way we must go.

Interviewed by Alla Bakr

Sourse, 18/05/2015

Decommunisation laws of Ukraine: it is necessary to go ahead

May 8, 2015

The President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko has to sign laws decommunisation. Indignation of some of the population will, in any case, but can not always look at the past.

This is a comment IA ZIK said human rights activist, journalist, theologian, founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv, Miroslav Marinović.

“I do know that these laws need to sign, implement them and do not look at those who will always cling to the past. We must go forward, “- he stressed.

According to Miroslav Marynovych, Russia spends a lot of money to Ukraine arose public indignation at about decommunisation laws. Thus, a certain part of the population is dissatisfied with the matter, Poroshenko to sign these laws or not.

“I do not exclude that the president waits until May 9. But, anyway, will be provocations. However, without doubt, the law must be signed. We have more than 20 years, we looked at those for whom it may be a trauma. As a result, they not only did not appreciate this gesture, and vice versa – have done everything to “invite” Russia and make us a semblance of civil war, “- said human rights activist.

Recall, April 9 Rada endorsed the draft law “On the condemnation of the Communist and National Socialist (Nazi) totalitarian regimes and ban their symbolism propaganda» (number 2558).

The law defines criminal Communist and Nazi regimes, which have claimed millions of Ukrainians. In Ukraine, introduced the responsibility for advocating Communist and Nazi regimes and the public use of their symbolism.

Production, distribution and use of Communist symbols, anthems of the USSR and the Ukrainian SSR shall be punished by restriction of freedom for up to five years, or imprisonment.

Also established procedures and deadlines for renaming objects that are “communist” name. On the streets of Ukrainian cities will take away the symbols and monuments that glorify the totalitarian regime functionaries.

Sourse, 07/05/2015

About Putin, remains of Soviet thinking and freedom of the nation

April 18, 2015

Vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University (UCU), human rights activist and theologian, founder of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, Miroslav Marinović – one of those people who are considered moral authorities era. He modestly calls himself an optimist, and a happy person, because the Ukraine, for which he has fought since the 70s, gained statehood, independence and freedom in his eyes.

Marinovic sooner became a dissident: 27 years, he was among the founders of the Helsinki Human Rights Group, and a year later for the unauthorized reading from the Kiev Conservatory scene poem Taras Shevchenko Zapovit sent him to seven years in a strict-regime camp and another five years in exile.

Later in his book The Gospel of God’s fool Marinovic he wrote that in the camp, despite all the hardships, it was much easier than, for example, in the Soviet army. Paradoxically, the free people in the USSR, he found behind the barbed wire, and not outside it.

In the 90 Marinovic he engaged in human rights activities, and participated in public life and at the same time repeatedly refused a political career and fame.

Today, 66-year-old theologian engaged in favorite business – working with students and formulates his own deep religious understanding of the processes taking place in Ukraine.

We meet in the main building of UCU in Lviv, in a small room in the attic of the building. In his office, littered with books and pictures, smells good freshly made coffee. Offering a traditional welcome drink Lviv, Marinovic moves closer to the table and plunged into the conversation.

Independence and war – is the next stage of growth in freedom. Naturally, we are facing in this process with growing pains. Dignity revolution gave us national solidarity – people came to the square every man for himself, and returned to the nation area. But we still do not fully understand the freedom and do not know how to use it.

It is a long and difficult process, but we want everything at once, and this results in a talk about the third Maidan. I am sure that in our power to have no enemies of the Ukrainian state, which means that there is no need to revolt. Maidan – that is our freedom, but our democracy. Today we have to learn how to create persistent political groups to defend their interests.

Frequent change of power at the same time should not frighten us. During the test, and government crises are changing rapidly, because people’s needs are changing. For example, in post-war Italy changed its authority every six months, and over the country while laughing the whole of Europe, but it was an important step in achieving the growth of freedom.

Creating a nation for a year, now we have to modernize it. This means to get rid of the Soviet paternalistic management model. The current government until it is difficult for – all they want to do everything to give. But in a country where there is war and ruined the economy it is impossible. You need to let go of people and to be honest we can not provide you, but it will create conditions for you to help yourself.

I am absolutely not afraid of the emergence in Ukraine of several centers of political influence. The main thing is that they did not divide the country issues civilizational choice – between Russia and Europe. And I’m wondering if there are any in popular support for the ex-governor of the Dnipropetrovsk region Igorya Kolomoyskogo all the same manifestations of paternalism: that someone strong solve the problem for us? And maybe the same principle we follow in our European choice? Once the Soviet Union and Russia have discredited themselves, we will go to the EU?

Each time, growing in freedom, we have to ask ourselves these questions. Otherwise, the risk is great to choose Europe, not realizing that we choose.

In vain you think that the Soviet way of thinking only in the east but not in Galicia. For example, garbage lustration – people happily rushed to administer lynch bad officials, throwing them in the trash. And this is after the dignity of the revolution, where we fought against the degradation of man, for the rule of law.

I’m back here in Galicia, say you that our courts do not know? We – the little people, and we did not achieve justice. This is the manifestation of Soviet thinking. We still do not believe in their capabilities, by virtue of the joint action. And because any number we can call ourselves anti-Communist ideology, but to show their business these ideas. Not only grow in freedom, it is important to grow in morality.

The deepest biblical revelation for me: the Promised Land can be attained only when disappear those who remember the taste of slavery in Egypt. I would like to say that we can get rid of the Soviet past, but I can not. In this great and sad lesson for Ukraine. Maidan generation – it is people with different levels of assimilation of freedom, but they appeared only after almost 20 years of independence, and these people are still too few in power. We will have to wait until the grow another generation that will fall behind the current one.

Moses meaning of 40 years in that society begins to speak the same language, see a common goal. And that’s just at this moment the prophet led people to sacred Mount Sinai. Our Sinai is yet to come.

I judge by the way behaves in our leadership, and realize that they are on the brink. People in government understand that they needed to be in power for long, because now it is important to learn in a civilized and responsible to transmit and receive power.

Preferred Position Ukrainians – to be on the side of truth, and all the time to check yourself in it . This makes it possible to survive even in a desperate situation. I remember another young first came to Moscow. Snow-covered town, a powerful imperial grandeur. Then I thought, and I decided to oppose this force? And then I met a well-known dissident General Pyotr Grigorenko and knew I wanted to be a strong and sincere with. And this feeling – that the truth is not outside the Kremlin walls, and these weak, but honest people – gave me the strength and peace of mind even in camps, under threat of death.

During the years of independence, the Russians lost the ability to distinguish between good and evil. Remember, in the Soviet era in the way of information from the West to the Soviet listeners were “jammers”? But people still understand intuitively what is true. And now “jammers” No, but it destroyed the propaganda value of any information. All deep archaic instincts – blood, revenge, death – are used to deprive people of the ability to distinguish good. This is the biggest tragedy.

Previously, the Russians were capable of empathy. But in Soviet times there was a rigidity, anger and slavish submission. Man looking like themselves justify, and therefore shows the hatred of those who are the cause of his own weakness. The fact that the Russians now do not like the Ukrainians and believe the propaganda, there is this component, “Look, they escaped, got rid of their king, and we can not.” This humiliation is transformed into hatred, and sends them to war.

Putin in this war can only be stopped by force. If Ukraine has received a lethal weapon, it would be a red line. The Kremlin would have realized that further means war situation can not be controlled. On the other hand, I have the feeling that God has given us today this fragile truce balance that we find non-obvious response to the situation. After each party, acting in its own logic, leads humanity to a third world war. How to prevent this? Where is this unusual time? Perhaps, in this dispensation for Ukraine – to escape, finding a solution?

I understand very well Hope Savchenko, her hunger strike – is a way to stay human. She, like Gogol’s hero, must outline the circle around itself, so that no evil force there has not penetrated, and the hunger strike she did. I and many of my comrades, starving in the camps were well aware that the so-totalitarian power never win. But to put a barrier between you and the power, for which you are a grain of sand – to prisoner of conscience is an important point.

Protection of human rights and the Christian faith does not get along very harmoniously in me. But the issue of choice, I do not take tragic. I do not remember any stage of his life, where such a choice would not exist. It is important not to destroy the main principle of faith – the love of God through the love of a man. If I give the privilege doctrine, injuring a person, it is wrong. But at the same time, I will always look for an opportunity to hold doctrines, without harming the person – it’s my Christian mission.

5 questions Miroslav Marinović:

– An event that you consider important in your life?

– The decision to join the Ukrainian Helsinki Group.

– What is your favorite city?

– I love the Lions, and I feel good and comfortable in Kiev. It is a city that I was saying goodbye from the car windows, taking me to the camp. And there Drohobych – the city of my childhood.

– What do you get around the city?

– Before the tram, and now because of old age to and from work gives me a university car.

– What is your monthly cost of living?

– Honestly, I do not even use all of his salary. My wife and I help a lot of relatives and friends, to circumvent minimum requirements. I think today that at least 6-8 thousand. UAH.

– What do you seek?

– I was a little worried about career, I feel very comfortable, Vice-Rector and never wanted to be a rector or a politician. More important to me not to make a career, but to be on the good side.

Sourse, 17/04/2015

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It should not be ruled out that violence, terrorist attacks and killings will become the new law of life

December 21, 2016

After the analysis of the terrible events in Aleppo, the world’s terrorist attacks and demonstration killings, it appears that the main and perhaps the main argument of the modern world has become violent.

Violence was originally the shadow of a human life, it is inherent in human nature. Remember his first manifestation – the murder of Abel by Cain. Even then, it is harmoniously entered the life of the world and became co-exist with humans.

Another thing – there have been ebbs and flows of violence. Thus, a positive period of the postwar period was after the Second World War, when humanity said to myself: «newer again» (never again – trans.). Then the world was set up to ensure that never again allow a military nightmare. Then he took a major turning point, which I appreciate as a category of zero-sum and added value.

That is, the principle of zero-sum – is “an eye for an eye,” or “I won and you lost.” It’s a formula that involves violence basis. In turn, the principle of value added – is the principle of cooperation (for the participants get more on cooperation than on the single).

After the war, European civilization adopted the principles of added value and pushed all the antagonisms that have been in Europe before. It seemed forever pushed. But it so happened, as we would.

“With a light hand,” Putin’s violence is back in our lives.

The Russian president has decided to turn the chessboard and make Europe a new force redivision of the world. Unfortunately, this principle has become contagious: many nations become agitated and began to act selfishly, not as agreed earlier.

Of course, in this situation, a lot of the blame lies with the Brussels bureaucracy as cooperation formula, which they offer, often does not satisfy the people. Therefore, the “fashion” to force to resolve the problems returned. Therefore, we should not exclude that violence, acts of terror and murder will become the new law of life.

And it gives me a great disappointment, because I thought that humanity has become much wiser.

Sourse, 20/12/2017

Let’s change the rules of the game and become successful, otherwise we devour Bolshevik mood

November 12, 2016

November 10-11 in Lviv hosts international congress of dissidents and II Crimean forum. The event is timed to the 40th anniversary of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group – association of human rights defenders, who fought against human rights violations in the Soviet Union. Talk about Congress dissidents to one of its organizers – co-founder of UHG, dissident, pro-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University Miroslavom Marinovichem.

In Ukraine, there is a possibility of a new Maidan, but such an event – it is the will of the Holy Spirit, not man. Such an opinion in an interview with «LB.ua» stated Miroslav Marinović.

“The threat is there, but I still want to believe in the natural intuition of Ukrainians. And secondly, I believe that the Maidan – the will of the Holy Spirit, not man. Here Mustafa Nye wrote in Facebook «come to the Maidan,” and people came. Well, now let write … And nothing will happen. See, it’s not because Nye wrote, “- said Marinovic.

He added that Ukraine is on the verge of great changes.

“I really believed that the second Maidan will be the last, after which everything goes forward. Now I see what is not. After such a huge edifice, as the Ukraine, it is difficult to change. A huge car you can not turn as “Zaporozhets”. I believe there will be more ups, only ask God that they were not violent. We had two successful Maidana (we done to them, that’s another issue). But they were successful, because it was the right thing. When there is violence – forget about the support of the Holy Spirit “- Marinovic said.

However, he expressed confidence that the union dissidents in Ukraine in any organization or party is unrealistic.

“This is absolutely unrealistic, and reminds me of the traditional reproach to the initiative group of the First of December -” You are, do some treatment, but why do not you take to work? Why will not the political organization, the party? Young will help you. ” No! It is older people who barely make themselves come to the meeting, and that is not all. This is impossible even to speak. Among them are many weak “- Marinovic said.

Sourse, 11/11/2016

While suffering in the camps, I believe the grace of God

April 15, 2016

Vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv, a founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, Miroslav Marinović told why he was grateful to the Soviet camp, what Putin’s weakness, and why we can not allow a third Maidan – Maidan revenge.

– In your biography there is an interesting fact: in February 1987, while in exile in Kazakhstan, you have refused to petition for clemency. Why?

– In 1987, Gorbachev had to somehow solve the problem of political prisoners. This issue has been a thorn in its relations with the West, and he wanted to get rid of it. But it was necessary to do it nicely, to present everything as “workers’ request.” Therefore, the delegation traveled to the ends of the Union, to persuade people to write letters about his repentance. In this case, the chance to go free were very high.

But when to me was such a delegation, I did not yet know. It looked like this: I came to a group of prosecutors, government officials, the KGB officers, who say: “Write an application, and you immediately released.” I laughed and said: “Listen, I have not written this statement at the beginning of his term, when well understood that if I write, I would be freed That is, I could never sit whole life And now, when I two years of exile left.. you want to buy me in the same sentence – write and you will be released, I will not write anything, all right? “.

And they ask: “Would you please give a written denial?” I was surprised, shrugged his shoulders and say, of course. And he wrote, why can not file a petition for clemency. As it turned out, it was important to get a piece of paper. “Received a letter.” My failure as failures of other dissidents who were perceived as referring to the system.

Later, I was very surprised to learn that at about the same situation was, and the patriarch Joseph Blind – and this despite the fact that he was a prisoner to the other, the Stalinist era. He also asked to state their refusal in writing, which he did. KGB methods do not change.

– Time passes, and the system does not change?

– Rapidly changing external signs, ideology, but the essence remains the lowlands. And selective justice Yanukovych – a selective Soviet justice.

And what it cost to provide medical care in the camps: if you serve the system – you will be treated if you struggle with the system – you may, for example, to open the seal, put there arsenic, and then leave and not to return to the seal closed. And this is only a small bar.

And what about the case where the doctor refused to provide medical assistance to the Russian poet Viktor Nekipelov because in addition to the chest was a cross. He was in a very serious condition, and I gave him a pectoral cross. Victor was grateful to me. A doctor came – and recoiled simply: “No, let him heal you, and I will not be treated.” The name of that “Aesculapius” Pchelnikov. He, I think, would be sitting in the dock during the Nuremberg-2, if there was such a tribunal.

– In one of your speeches you talked about the fact that all crises – economic, political – one source – the human spirit crisis. I have to say is now appropriate that the peak of the crisis on the Ukrainian society is left behind?

– No, the crisis continues to grow. Ukrainian society has made very important things – I’m talking about the Maidan. I highly appreciate the spiritual significance of the Maidan. But in Ukrainian history as it was before: we are much easier to fight for the values ​​than to live in accordance with them.

I remember how impressed Maidan. If you ended up in paradise, where you love everyone and everything – you, and you are convinced of this. You can come to anyone, to say a few words and get an incredible dose of love, care, all the light. On the Independence it was possible, and then they returned to the usual system of coordinates. Many on itself felt, as when “one is a warrior” – about how to steal and steal as demanded bribes and demand, perhaps now even in larger sizes. Evil has become very aggressive. It feels like it is coming to an end.

So we need that there be at least a small group of people, who said: we do not care, we win the election or not, it is important to bring the public a new model of behavior and to implement this model by their actions, deeds and decisions. Only then can we say that the crisis had passed.

– What is missing for the emergence of such a group?

– If you think spiritual category, lacking confidence in each other. And if sociologically-public, we do not lack the solidarity in familiar circumstances. We know how to be united on the Maidan. But under normal circumstances, when you are surrounded by wicked people like to be in solidarity? We see the blackness of each, and people see our blackness.

This is our weakness and a problem: we are ready to live in solidarity, but only with perfect people. And sinners be solidarity we can not, and they therefore do not know how. Vicious circle. We expect a saint, as a result of wallowing in a wicked whirlpool. It is a spiritual problem.

– How to solve it?

– We are all sinners by definition. Lord hopes that realizing it, we can find a way to trust, mutual respect and understanding.

– By the way, of understanding. Commenting on the recent incident with the prohibition of LGBT festival, US ambassador Dzheffri Payett stated that “intolerance in Lviv contradict European future, for which so many Ukrainians have sacrificed.” Why do local authorities and the LGBT community has not been able to meet each other?

– My personal opinion is that what happened in Lviv, was generously paid provocation. The organizers of this event, which, incidentally, were not from the city, deliberately going to the conflict. Looking at those who broke them, too, you can see the elements of the order. Someone needed picture anti-European Lviv to the Dutch referendum, the answer was “no.”

However, I do not want to downplay the issue, saying that in Ukraine and particularly in Lviv, everyone loves the LGBT community. No. It is one thing to fight for their rights, and the other – to show their identity so as to cause a sharp rejection of the religious people.

What purpose was the organizers? Teach tolerance of the community? If they have such a purpose for this would need no gay parades and labor helotic work to convey the idea that we are all different, each with its own identity, respectively, for all of us to live in peace.

And in this particular case, I saw a lot of wickedness, provoking pride.

– Now Ukrainians attention again focused on the struggle for the premiership. In your opinion: Is a change for the better in castling?

– I do not rule out any positive effects. It would be irresponsible to deny a priori any possible positive side castling. People are trying, people want to make a difference – let me be.

What I do not believe – is that the current team of deputies and government officials in Ukraine is ready to make a radical change in the system. I do not believe it, even being on the Maidan, seen in front of the then opposition parties that were in power today. I am grateful for the fact that they kept the Ukraine, saved her from the abyss that opened up in front of her. Honor and praise them.

But Ukraine can change only when clearly realize that this system is incorrect. A current and a government and the presidential team – people who want to save Ukraine from the old system means.

Acting by the old methods, it is possible to temporarily prevent the fall of Ukraine, but radically change the country will not work. The reforms that have been adopted, remind me of the old road patching. Something patched where it became easier to drive. But I can smell the scent of the old Soviet way, on which we are still going. In order to build a new one, you need to act radically: remove the layer completely and give a new foundation. And on it – a new canvas.

– One day, recalling the resilience and courage of Hope Savchenko, you said that “dictators are afraid more than we: it is learned all political prisoners times the resistance movement.” Can we assume that under the pressure of his fear dictator Kremlin’s prisoner release to freedom?

– The fact is that if he was spiritually strong and confident, it would long ago have released it. Strong people are not afraid that they will think about, they make decisions when they dictates of conscience.

Vladimir Putin is weak and a notorious man. It does not find the reason, the reasons for the order to release the Hope, a disaster. I’m not talking about the fact that this system does not like to let go of people. Situation, when the Soviet or kvazisovetskaya, that is the Russian system to let their victims, are unique.

– In one interview you recall that the main purpose of your conclusion at the time, and after him, was not embittered. On or in the whole world?

– This is the interrelated things. Not angry with their abusers, we can reformulate. Do not live thinking about how to take revenge. It is important. It’s one thing when you’re living with the idea of ​​justice, to restore order. Hatred, anger, negative feelings for that you do not need. You light think about how you can correct the situation.

If you think about revenge, hatred is the inevitable companion. And then you will only think about the wrongs that have been in the past. It dooms walk with his head turned in the past, not the future. I do not want it at all. I want to look to the future.

Frankly, while suffering in the camps, I believe the grace of God. Yes, it was necessary to receive calls of destiny. Yes, I stood on the brink of life and death. But it has made me a different person, I have appeared “backbone” changed world.

God never takes away from everything human. Something takes, but then bestows great. A person who is able to see it, never want to take revenge on instruments that God used.

– The war, which continues to the east – one more test. How long will our society to stop dividing people into “us”, “alien”, “Lviv”, “Donetsk”, “Kiev”?

– If we come out of a sense of revenge, then all of this will be delayed for a long time, and who knows, will there ever be peace in Ukraine.

But I can imagine a situation in which it is the regions that today cause us indignation and some malice, in certain circumstances, can become engines of development of Ukraine.

Давайте представим: справедливость восторжествовала — Крым возвращается Украине. Но возвращается он в руки не украинских чиновников, которые отчасти в ответе за сложившуюся ситуацию, а в руки настоящих хозяев этой земли — крымских татар. Я бывал в Крыму и посещал кофейни, дома, принадлежащие крымским татарам. Это же была ляля! Они так любят эту землю, что никогда не смогут ей навредить. Только те, у кого нет кровной привязанности, способны на то, что сейчас делает этническое российское или русскоязычное население. Эту землю, будь она отдана крымским татарам, мы бы не узнали. Они бы превратили её в сад.

Similarly, with the Donetsk team. I remember how during the reign of Yanukovych, I concluded: his countrymen – very dynamic, ambitious, nelenivyh people. The only negative – the wrong value basis. In a short span of time they impose on Ukraine exactly the diabolical, irregular basis.

But we put this dynamism on the right spiritual foundation, they would become the locomotive of Ukraine.

– To do this, we need reforms in education?

– In education, too. But education – this decade. And I say that we need a rebirth now. Today’s young people, in a sense, already formed. I am very much looking forward to from her, because she is not a carrier of stereotypes, the older generation.

But we still do not know how to use it. Where young people now? Where her voice in decision-making in our country? Everything is decided by adult uncle, who pushed the young people even during the Maidan, although it actually began with the youth.

This is the first generation that is not the generation of “homo Sovieticus” it will declare itself decisive action – and only then we will change.

Despite the huge number of enthusiasts during the first Maidan representatives of the new generation have not been able to express themselves. But they did it in the second, they – the second generation of the Maidan.

– Can we say that the second Maidan turned out better than the first?

– They won, so I am convinced that from this point of view, were both successful. Speaking of failure or failure, we have in mind the political consequences. But the Ukrainian Maidan were not political revolutions – it is first of all spiritual phenomena. See the spiritual changes more difficult, political – it is easier. The latter really is not enough.

Maidan The aim was to change not just the political parameters and the mentality of the vast country, of all people, from head to toe.

Some animals change their skin all at once – and Ukraine. It seemed at one point, several efforts trying this old skin to relieve himself.

This is a global change, I can only be compared with the adoption of Christianity in Russia. And living as if the “inside” of transformation, of course, it seems that “all is lost”. I am an optimist who sees the huge potential of the Ukrainian people. I was delighted with the words British expert Sherry: “Ukraine – a country with a weak state and strong civil society in Russia – a country with a strong state and a weak civil society.”.

But we still demand: “We want a strong state, as in Russia!” He will not have this. We have a different nature, we the civil society on the other spiritual foundation is necessary to put. Then the government will have to reckon with the civil society.

– How do you feel, whether the third Maidan?

– I’m afraid to call it the third Maidan, because I always hear: “Third Independence – Independence of revenge.”

I do not want revenge Maidan. I want a spiritual phenomenon. We need one more push to throw off the old skin.

– What books have impressed you so much that you are advised to read them?

– You probably expect that will call the name of a Western intellectual who writes about unlocking the meaning of life. And I find it in the Bible. I do not say, of course, you need only read it. But in this book you can always see something new. Such continuous dialogue with me and the book Mary Valltorta “Bogocholovіk”.

Shevchenko is now urgent as ever. Take now “Kobzarik” open – yes, he yells about what is happening.

Ukraine need solidarity? Read “The Three Musketeers,” Dumas. There is love, friendship, and support – all that is so necessary to us today. None of intellectual research has not made such an impression on me, as this book.

– Whom Ukrainian society should be grateful for a human rights defender and journalist Miroslav Marynovych? Who shaped you as a person?

– First of all, his mother and sister. They were my support, formed the world, given the spiritual basis of life. And yet this fellow dissidents and their relatives. I think of these people as the door closed prison cell, and I was left alone. Already there was no one to help me, not to anyone was to play the role. Nevertheless, I always thought of them, those who remained behind the scenes, and I knew I could not let them blame me for some things.

Many of these people are no longer alive. I remember them with great gratitude and thank God for what they have been in my life.

Interviewed by Anna Sinyaschik

Miroslav Marinović – dissident, human rights activist, journalist, theologian, founder of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, the organizer of amnisterskogo movement in Ukraine, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv, a member of the initiative group “First of December” and Nestorovskoy group

Sourse, 14/04/2016

The Catholic Church for the sake of ephemeral “dialogue with Moscow” missed the truth

February 15, 2016

The meeting of the Pope and the Patriarch of Moscow found epochal failures Vatican diplomats who can not look out into the real world, says Miroslav Marinović, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University, a former political prisoner, a Ukrainian human rights activist and founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group.

“Dad had an opportunity to defend the interests of the offended Russian aggression had but did not use it.”, – notes Marinovic in his article in the “Ukrainian Truth”.

He is convinced that the Cuban declaration two primates is designed so that about Russia it refers to as a region, “an unprecedented revival of the Christian faith”, where there is the opportunity to “practice their religion freely,” while the alarm appears only when it comes to other countries.

“The Cuban declaration of the Pope and the Patriarch of Moscow is a vivid illustration of several things: the indisputable victory of the FSB and the Kremlin, with all their obedient tools, to which I refer, and the Russian Orthodox Church, and the total defeat of Ukrainian public diplomacy at the Vatican and the apparent lack of it Information Service by the UGCC; helpless blindness and incompetence of the Vatican diplomacy, which is easy to confuse peaceful lexicon; and alarming failure of influential circles of Europe decode deceitful formulas Putin’s propaganda “- Marinovic said.

“That’s why I have a pain conclude on the issue of Ukraine and the Russian Catholic Church for the sake of ephemeral” dialogue with Moscow “once again missed with the truth”, – he stressed.

Joint Declaration of Pope Francis and the head of the Russian Orthodox Church Kirill (Gundyaeva) was signed at the airport in Havana February 12. Ukrainian translation posted on the site, “Vatican Radio”. The Russian version – on the site of the ROC.

Sourse, 14/02/2016

Maidan-2016 in Ukraine, is it real?

January 5, 2016

Ukraine needs to develop, rather than return to a state of Kuchma’s regime. This was stated by Ukrainian human rights activist and founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University Myroslav Marinovic.

According to him, a stalemate has to be resolved in 2016, has evolved in the Ukrainian parliament.

“I have a feeling that, in political terms, was fastened a knot that can not be cut. The main war, which implicitly is in Ukraine, a war between the oligarchs and the people reform society, who want to implement the mandate received from the Maidan. This is a power struggle, I think, in 2016 resolved “, – said the expert.

According to founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, in 2016 we should not exclude the possibility of protests.

“The government must listen to the voice of society, sounded very drastic way. But I am opposed to emotional appeals, figuratively speaking, “all on the forks.” I want this government was a political alternative, but in a democratic sense of the word. Ukraine needs to develop, rather than return to a state of Kuchma’s regime, “- says human rights activist.

At the same time, Miroslav Marinović does not believe in “the third Maidan-2016.”

“Politically there is no alternative. All these radicals such as Lyashko – is not an option. This emotion, beyond which you should not clear Ukraine’s reform program. So I would be very worried if the third Maidan seized power radicals that can destroy, but can not create anything meaningful, “- concluded Marinovic.

Sourse, 04/01/2016

Not convicted crimes comes back

September 22, 2015

Seven years in the camps and five years in exile – as Miroslav Marinović has received from the Soviet government for what was one of the founders of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group. He says he lived behind bars spiritually rich, richer lives, than it is now. Dissident and human rights activist, member of the initiative “First of December”, the vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University has recently entered into a three of the major moral authorities of Ukraine according to the magazine “New Era”. During the discussion, “Lessons of History” in Lviv Mr Marinovic spoke about the main dilemma of the Soviet era, which again becomes relevant.

– It is a struggle between the instinct of self-preservation ( “not put out because srezhut”) and the voice of conscience, the natural human desire to do good that is given to him at birth. In Soviet times, this struggle gave rise to two types of personality. The first type – people who completely obey the instinct of self-preservation – the so-called homo soveticus. People willing to hide in a crack, to protect themselves from evil. The second type – the people that won the voice of conscience, and who became dissidents and joined the resistance movement.

error dissidents

This dilemma is returned. She, like Halley’s comet, which rotates around the sun, sometimes approaching Earth. Only every new generation, every era attaches to this dilemma the new parameters. Today, it is relevant for Ukraine, and for the world. On the one hand – a security issue: how to prevent World War III? How not to annoy Putin, that he did not destroy Ukraine? And on the other, how to protect the values ​​that underpin human civilization, for which twice went Maidan? Again a struggle between the instinct of self-preservation and the call of morality.

The main reason that this dilemma is returned, is that we are not condemned the crimes of communism, not expiated his sin. Partial responsibility for this lies with the dissidents.

In the early ’90s we did not want to carry out a new Nuremberg trial. It was important not to punish past and make a new social contract. The crimes of the communist regime, it seemed to me so obvious that the Communists themselves are aware of them and want to live a new life. I compared the crimes of communism with the crime of Cain, which, as we know from the Bible, is subject only to the judgment of God. It believed that if we manage to overcome the spiritual communism, we will be able to do without formal legal judgment. That was a mistake.

communist crime turned Kuchma crimes period, a symbol which is Georgiy Gongadze. Crimes Kuchma period were not, despite the slogan of “bandits – the prison,” convicted after the Orange Revolution. Political prisoners soon became political opponents and chase them was impossible. Consequently, crimes Yanukovych Kuchma period turned into crimes, which also are still not punished and condemned. Still there are untouchables, those people that for reasons of political expediency is still justice.

error in Europe

War of 1939 started two world monster – the Nazi regime in Germany and the communist Soviet regime. They began this deadly tango together, and then one of them turned their weapons against the other, and they came together in battle.

Soviet troops invaded Finland – this is definitely the culprit. And the very soldiers deploying weapons against the Nazis, became a conquering hero. This dual role of the Soviet Union in World War II – the role of the forces started the war itself it victoriously completed – are now involves much confusion.

According to West, suffering and heroism in the “Soviet people” during the war, give a moral right not to look into the crimes of the Gulag, not to think of Stalin’s purges. So we have a double standard in the treatment of the crimes of those times. The world heard the screams of people being tortured in the cellars of the Gestapo, but heard cries of tortured NKVD.

Timothy Snyder wrote that there is a difference in the historical memory of Western and Eastern Europe. East has experienced in the twentieth century two terrible totalitarian regime, and the West must recognize and rethink it. Victory over nazism should not close our eyes to the other side of the Soviet regime – criminal. “Can a prisoner who died in Vorkuta, to be happy, that died in Dachau?” – he wrote the Polish philosopher Leszek Kolakowski.

After the fall of the Third Reich in Germany held a hearing. After the fall of the Polish People’s Republic Voytseh Yaruzelsky also appeared before the court, though he was promised immunity. However, in the early 90’s the Germans tried to convince me: “Do not do Nuremberg-2, it is not necessary!”. Even more than once at the German-Ukrainian readings – and this was the time when Viktor Yushchenko finally raised to the national level the issue of Holodomor – the whole German delegation attacked the Ukrainians: “What are you doing Why raise this topic it not? realize that it mocks Russia, you’ll have new challenges? “.

So, the rule of law has worked in Europe, but she tried to block or at least delay a similar process in the post-Soviet space. These delays have led to what is already current generation must pay the price for the communist crimes. It seems to me that Heavenly hundreds, and soldiers killed at the front – the victim of what communism was not convicted in a timely manner. And part of the responsibility for what is happening today in Ukraine is on Europe.

Sourse, 21/09/2015

The formula of struggle

August 22, 2015

As a dissident Miroslav Marinović, who was convicted by a Soviet court for lying and anti-Soviet propaganda, it became one of the most influential people in today’s Ukraine and the head of one of the best universities.

In the Perm prison, a group of prisoners as a heated argument with a supervisor. Parties clearly do not find a common language. And then passed them prisoner. “Oh, so he will not lie! Come, please!” – refers to the prisoner overseer Miroslav Marinović. The irony lies in the fact that the Ukrainian dissident who had the reputation in prison honest and uncompromising man was sentenced for lying and anti-Soviet agitation.

Marinovic, known as an anti-Soviet, Soviet special services and a cheat, really would lie not. Being on the side of truth – his credo. Since the end of 1960 – even from his student years – the principles of life and a heightened sense of justice forced him to defend the rights in a regulated framework of the Soviet regime the country.

he said that even in the most terrible moments when he thought he was dying, never regretted his position. “Good does not win every battle, but winning the war – now says Marinovic – This perspective was in me from the beginning. I’ll be on the side of good, even if I lose.”

Now Marinovic stands good in the Ukrainian Catholic University (UCU), which is cited as the most progressive universities in the country. He – the permanent vice-rector of the institution, which is just 13 years of existence, has become one of the best sites for the training of journalists and business executives. According to international research firm Hay Group, UCU among the top five Ukrainian universities, whose popularity is growing rapidly.

In addition, the dissident works in the so-called Nestorovskoy group that develops after euromaidan vision of Ukraine’s mission. The document, which happens as a result, will form the basis of the country strategy. A similar experience in intellectual is already there: in the early 2000s, he developed a similar document for the city, which as a result has helped him become one of the most successful Russian cities.

The right to the word

At the time of the conclusion – seven years in prison and five years of exile – Marinovic was only 27 years old. By the time he has already weighed in dissident circles of Ukraine, as well as an impressive list of sins in the folder of the KGB investigators.

Collect dirt on the young Ukrainian nationalist state security began in the years of his studies at the Lviv Polytechnic, where he had the imprudence to criticize the Soviet system. The first serious warning Marinovic was in 1973, when with friends laid flowers at the monument to Taras Shevchenko in Kiev. “Crime” was that he paid tribute to the officially recognized poet, who died in Russia, on May 22 – the day of his reburial in Ukraine. The commemoration of that date, the Soviet secret service was considered a manifestation of nationalism.

With Shevchenko linked another case, glorified Marynovych far outside dissident circles. In 1976, he and his friend Nikolay Matusevich during the celebration of another anniversary of the day Shevchenko’s birth, which took place in the Kiev Philharmonic, took the stage and sang Zapovit. The official program, which consisted of songs about “how good to live in a Soviet country,” and read the diary of Shevchenko in Russian, the main product of Ukrainian poet not included.

“The evening was held in Russian, and it was a slap in the face to all Ukrainian,” – explains our original Marinovic indignation: he just could not tolerate such abuse. After leaving the stage, he is a bit made secure by saying that Zapovit Shevchenko loved to Vladimir Lenin. However, the safety net has not helped. When he began to play the piano, one who arranges concerts shouted: “The concert is over!” But the audience picked up Zapovit, and when turned off the light, began to sing louder.

“It was a complete defeat of those who ran and screamed that the concert is over,” – says Marinovic.

When it was over, out of the Philharmonic Friends feared, besides the entrance stood a car, and they assumed that it sit gebisty. But right there were people who came to the concert. They surrounded the brave men and conducted to the subway.

Then the KGB Marynovych not touched. “I’m happy to have been involved in at this point – he speaks of those events is now -. Such gestures have to be among the nations, they must be equal to the Ukrainians, because it maintains people in some valuable positions, gives examples of courage.”

Arrested a young dissident in 1977. “Early in the morning the doorbell rang insistently, – recalls the day the arrest of Tamil Matusevich, the sister of his best friend Marynovych, in the apartment where they lived then -. At first, we did not open, because they understood who came, but they rang and rang.”

To arrest he was ready. By the time Marinovic was already six months in the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, human rights activities. Then there was only ten brave men who gathered evidence of violations of the rights of compatriots and tried to establish the accreditation of foreign journalists in Kyiv.

“It was the dethronement of the Soviet myth, in which millions of people believed in the west, – says about the activities of the Helsinki Group Iosif Zisels, dissident, who was also a member -. We have shown that beautiful façade lying behind him – blood and crime.”

However, the Soviet court interpreted these activities under the anti-Soviet agitation and propaganda and denounced Marynovych the maximum sentence – seven years in prison.

In the camp among the political, he quickly began to enjoy prestige, says Oles Shevchenko, who was imprisoned with Marinovic (later was a member of the Verkhovna Rada of I convocation), “came to him, to solve a conflict, difficult situation or just for advice” .

Shevchenko recalls the joint celebration of Easter in 1981. On the eve of the guards warned the prisoners that the religious rite forbidden. “But we brought bread from the dining room, and in the barracks we had jam and sunflower oil – says Shevchenko -. Of these, we blinded the passover.” For this freedom of all prisoners then sent to a punishment cell.

However Marinovic not silent: he wrote a letter to the Pope on violations of the rights of believers in Soviet prisons. “Write it was impossible, so he” wrote “his head – says Shevchenko -. And then transferred to the paper and handed it to chance.”

Surprisingly, Marynovych letter to the pontiff came, and he even held a prayer service in support of Soviet political prisoners.

Varlam Shalamov, the last Stalinist camps, wrote about them as a place where the “dehumanization”. Marinovic, on the other hand, recalls his life behind barbed wire as a time of intense spiritual growth. Firstly, in the camp, he said, he had gathered a brilliant intellectual society, including writers Nikolai Rudenko and Eugene Sverstyuk poet Zenoviy Krasivskaya.

Under their influence Marinovic started writing poems in prison, and prepared a book of the Gospel of God’s fool, who released after release. Now he argues that it is in detention found faith in God.

God willing

Return Marynovych to Ukraine coincided with the beginning of perestroika. Then he began to study theology. First there were articles on inter-church peacefulness in the newspaper of the city of Drohobych, where he settled after the conclusion. “The end of the ’80s – it was a time of religious conflicts, – he explains the choice of the theme -. I have suffered from it, I saw it absurd, unwise and unpatriotic, prejudicial to the independence of Ukraine.”

Marynovych later invited to read lectures about the history of religion in Drohobych Pedagogical University. But after studying the course of history of religion in the United States, he established and headed the Institute of Religion and Society at the Lviv Theological Academy.

In parallel, he begins to work in the department of Ukrainian Association of Amnesty International and shrugs off suggestions go into politics – he repeatedly offered to run for the MPs. Marynovych not even managed to persuade his friend, Vyacheslav Chornovil, a dissident and political prisoner, and later – the founder of the People’s Movement of Ukraine.

Now Marinovic busy that loves – scientific work at UCU. Lectures, he does not read, but from time to time speaks to students with special inspiring “sermons”. “He – our living conscience, – said Otar Dovzhenko, a journalist and professor of journalism of the university -. His presence will ensure that the Criminal Code there is no corruption, no gotchas.”

When Marinovic UCU has become one of the most dynamic universities in the country – it is constantly evolving, says journalist and media expert Evgeny Hlibovytsky, worked with Marinovic first in Univskoy group, which developed the vision of Lvov, and now – in Nestorovskoy group, which is working on a strategic vision of Ukraine.

“The group Univskoy he did an unimaginable amount of work, – enthusiastically tells Hlibovytsky -. And such a man of his status can be neglected is his religious setting Marinovic did not want to practice arrogance…”

Many familiar with it people talk about his amazing honesty and inner freedom. And talking to HB, Marinovic remembered the story of how the nearly renounced his beliefs. It was in Kiev in the early ’70s. Young Marinovic a long time could not get a job because of the intervention of the KGB. Once he was an acquaintance invited to try on a prestigious location – the editorial board of the Soviet Ukrainian Encyclopedia.

“And I’m going to an interview and say to myself, in a whisper, that if I would take on the job, May 22 at the monument to Shevchenko will not go” – is now recognized Marinovic.

He is now with shame recalls the case and adds that it is convinced that no compromise will not survive – a characteristic feature of the Soviet man. This way of thinking is still working, and that he is the reason that the country can not change radically, he says in the conclusion of the conversation. The problem of the fate of the country today for Marynovych – the most important.

Sourse, 21/08/2015

About Ukrainian education reforms and things which really unites and divides the people of one country

May 19, 2015

Miroslav Marinović, Ukrainian human rights activist and scholar of religion, founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group and organizer amnisterskogo movement in Ukraine, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv. A man whose opinions heard. Probably, most of the democratic parties of Ukraine would like to see Miroslav Francovich on their lists, but for the most Marynovych success is not measured by the steps of the career ladder. One of the most influential Ukrainians told Politeka of Ukrainian education reforms and that really unites and divides the people of a country.

Miroslav Francovich first met with the KGB in the university years – for criticizing the Soviet policy. In 27 years, Miroslav Marinović has become a founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, and since then has come under constant surveillance. And then – the charges of anti-Soviet agitation and propaganda, imprisonment and exile, 150 days in a punishment cell, and hunger strikes.

This time Miroslav Francovich refers to one of the brightest periods of his life, because that is the conclusion made, according to a human rights activist, as “the man with the backbone.” Regularly refusing all offers to enter parliament, according to its mission involvement in changing the mentality of people and speech to parliament prefers to communicate with young people.

Politeka: Independence, volunteering, united opposition of the enemy Ukrainians, but can we say that we really become one? whether society needs, in your opinion, in the transformations, or the path to unity can be considered passed?

M. Marinovic: We discussed a lot about this in Nestorovskoy group, and came to the conclusion that a nation has already been created, and now it needs to be upgraded. This problem was I could be formulated differently. On the Independence, and especially during the war with Russia, a nation united common problem and a common desire to protect themselves from the enemy. It is a powerful unifying force. But the war end sooner or later – and then what? In other words, we need to rapidly develop a positive concept of a single state, so that the people united around shared values, which are so powerfully voiced Maidan: human dignity, national and religious freedom, the rule of law, public morality and social justice. Public demand for these values ​​is – do not have enough faith in what we can for them to become successful.

Politeka: Ukraine is now going through a very difficult time, which was the legacy of a paternalistic state, in which we have lived for so long. You travel a lot, and, in your opinion, if there is Ukrainians – on both sides of the Dnieper River – a desire to return to a usable form of life as paternalism?

M. Marinovic: Actually, we are from a paternalistic state has not yet emerged. Of course, society has changed significantly compared with Soviet times, but a chronic state management system is not dismantled. We still make the “hole course” repair the old Soviet way. Oligarchic system abuses paternalistic instincts of the population does not develop small and medium-sized businesses – that is, precisely those who overcame a paternalistic stereotypes. Therefore, Ukraine has not yet sounded the march “Farewell of Slav”, but the truth and that we are already very close to this. But regional differences are insignificant, and sometimes in Dnepropetrovsk can be found a more dynamic business elite than in Galicia.

Politeka: In his publications and interviews You’re saying that the Ukrainians are united East and West, they have the same expectations and aspirations. But why, in that case, there is a conflict where the line that divides people?

M. Marinovic: The border does exist, but it is mobile. In the early 1990s, it was held on Zbruch. While in Galicia were intensive processes of ideological and religious restructuring – then point the finger at Galicia as a region with an expressive “inflammation”. Presidential and parliamentary elections later times indicated that this boundary initially approached the Dnieper, then spread through him and to “win” the north of Ukraine. Then he stopped, having fenced off a so-called South East. Today, “inflammation” is precisely in this part of the country. Gone was the homogeneity of the local political orientations, once a single monolith disintegrated into fragments, which are active – in pain and agony – looking for a new identity. Technically, one could say that the occupied territories of the Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk regions just passed a new frontier, but this conclusion may be premature. Nobody spent here independent surveys, and the consequences of the occupation for many may be unexpected. Therefore, we will not jump to conclusions, let us instead build a free and democratic Ukraine – and let God do the rest.

Politeka: Besides the fact that different regions of Ukraine are carriers of different ideologies, they speak at least two languages. Periodically there talk of “non-discrimination of the Russian language.” A striking example – “language law” Kolesnichenko-Kivalov, which could exacerbate the division of society. Euromaidan virtually removed this item from the agenda, but the problem remained. Which can reduce the degree of confrontation and, if possible, remove the language issue? And whether it is necessary Ukraine approved at the state level bilingualism?

M. Marinovic: Model of two state languages ​​in Ukraine is bad, and therefore unacceptable. It is not conducive to the public understanding, but on the contrary, it would be complicating. It’s like that line up on the stadium runners on long distances on the same starting line, ignoring the fact that they then have to run different distances. This ostentatious justice that turns into a lie. Because of the long period Russification Ukrainian language has to “run” at a much greater range and therefore legal handicap should be mandatory for it. But the language problem actually is an instrument of the evil policies when for “bilingualism” the idea of ​​hiding the idea of ​​Russian monolingualism in the already non-Ukrainian state. Moses Fishbein well remarked, saying: “The danger is not in the fact that Russian will become the second state, and that the state would become the second Russian. ” Independence has twice confirmed that when people are equally defend the Ukrainian statehood and dignity, the voltage of the language problem simply disappears.

Politeka: There is much talk about the fact that reforms and promises are not met, does not change anything at all. People are starting to get tired. Do you think that’s what the Ukrainians can cause disappointment in what is happening in the country?

M. Marinovic: The other day I had an interesting conversation with an American who knows the Ukraine. It is not surprising slowness of reforms and maximalism of Ukrainians who want at a time “to jump to Heaven” and not able to see those real changes that are already transforming their lives. Here it harms not just the desire for more and utopian hope that everything can change quickly, and psychological fatigue, if everything does not happen immediately. But the Anglo-Saxons, according to my companion, well aware that the long journey can be overcome only small but successful steps. Therefore, we must believe in the Ukraine, and keep in mind that these steps do not have to “someone in Kiev”, but we ourselves.

Politeka: One way or another, but quite most of the news and conversations are now feykovye. Staged events, rumors, subjectivity (subjectivity especially influential persons), the emotions and the absence of a critical attitude to the news – all these factors affect the information field and, accordingly, those who follow him. We are all aware of the propaganda machine of the Russian Federation, but why produce false Ukrainian opinion leaders, consciously designed it? How to resist the lies?

M. Marinovic: Lie there for as long as humanity exists. This utopia – to think that you can get rid of it. But the feature of present-day time becomes a man’s inability to distinguish between truth and lies – and this is a great danger. Previously, the Soviet regime was forced to put the jammers, because people had enough to hear the voice of the free world – and they recognize the truth. Today, Putin’s regime jammers are not necessary – people already zombified so that it is not able to distinguish truth from falsehood. It is because our goal – to restore to the people the proper value basis, which is able to save the situation.

Politeka: How do you assess the establishment of the Anti-Corruption Bureau? Do I need to lyustrirovat officials stole millions from the budget, or whether they need to be immediately judged?

M. Marinovic: Ukraine must act the rule of law. This means that the abuse of power crime must be punished. The question is how it is, depends on the seriousness of the crime: someone needed lyustrirovat, and someone – a judge. Justice must also be sensitive to genuine repentance and be able to distinguish it from evil justifications “Kolyadniki-judges.”

Politeka: A very important question of education in Ukraine. How do you see Ukrainian higher education in five years? Which universities will remain, which will be closed due to reforms and conscious choice of students? What, in your opinion, should be changed in the system of higher education?

M. Marinovic: This question can not be answered in one sentence. The Soviet system of higher education also powerfully acted paternalism: universities have been selected freedom, instead of the state, “spoon-feed”. With this must be dealt with. Universities should receive tangible autonomy, thus becoming responsible for their status and level of education. You have to be prepared for the fact that to find a new balanced system of European education in Ukraine will not be easy – it takes time and proactive educators. But this way we must go.

Interviewed by Alla Bakr

Sourse, 18/05/2015

Decommunisation laws of Ukraine: it is necessary to go ahead

May 8, 2015

The President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko has to sign laws decommunisation. Indignation of some of the population will, in any case, but can not always look at the past.

This is a comment IA ZIK said human rights activist, journalist, theologian, founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv, Miroslav Marinović.

“I do know that these laws need to sign, implement them and do not look at those who will always cling to the past. We must go forward, “- he stressed.

According to Miroslav Marynovych, Russia spends a lot of money to Ukraine arose public indignation at about decommunisation laws. Thus, a certain part of the population is dissatisfied with the matter, Poroshenko to sign these laws or not.

“I do not exclude that the president waits until May 9. But, anyway, will be provocations. However, without doubt, the law must be signed. We have more than 20 years, we looked at those for whom it may be a trauma. As a result, they not only did not appreciate this gesture, and vice versa – have done everything to “invite” Russia and make us a semblance of civil war, “- said human rights activist.

Recall, April 9 Rada endorsed the draft law “On the condemnation of the Communist and National Socialist (Nazi) totalitarian regimes and ban their symbolism propaganda» (number 2558).

The law defines criminal Communist and Nazi regimes, which have claimed millions of Ukrainians. In Ukraine, introduced the responsibility for advocating Communist and Nazi regimes and the public use of their symbolism.

Production, distribution and use of Communist symbols, anthems of the USSR and the Ukrainian SSR shall be punished by restriction of freedom for up to five years, or imprisonment.

Also established procedures and deadlines for renaming objects that are “communist” name. On the streets of Ukrainian cities will take away the symbols and monuments that glorify the totalitarian regime functionaries.

Sourse, 07/05/2015

About Putin, remains of Soviet thinking and freedom of the nation

April 18, 2015

Vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University (UCU), human rights activist and theologian, founder of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, Miroslav Marinović – one of those people who are considered moral authorities era. He modestly calls himself an optimist, and a happy person, because the Ukraine, for which he has fought since the 70s, gained statehood, independence and freedom in his eyes.

Marinovic sooner became a dissident: 27 years, he was among the founders of the Helsinki Human Rights Group, and a year later for the unauthorized reading from the Kiev Conservatory scene poem Taras Shevchenko Zapovit sent him to seven years in a strict-regime camp and another five years in exile.

Later in his book The Gospel of God’s fool Marinovic he wrote that in the camp, despite all the hardships, it was much easier than, for example, in the Soviet army. Paradoxically, the free people in the USSR, he found behind the barbed wire, and not outside it.

In the 90 Marinovic he engaged in human rights activities, and participated in public life and at the same time repeatedly refused a political career and fame.

Today, 66-year-old theologian engaged in favorite business – working with students and formulates his own deep religious understanding of the processes taking place in Ukraine.

We meet in the main building of UCU in Lviv, in a small room in the attic of the building. In his office, littered with books and pictures, smells good freshly made coffee. Offering a traditional welcome drink Lviv, Marinovic moves closer to the table and plunged into the conversation.

Independence and war – is the next stage of growth in freedom. Naturally, we are facing in this process with growing pains. Dignity revolution gave us national solidarity – people came to the square every man for himself, and returned to the nation area. But we still do not fully understand the freedom and do not know how to use it.

It is a long and difficult process, but we want everything at once, and this results in a talk about the third Maidan. I am sure that in our power to have no enemies of the Ukrainian state, which means that there is no need to revolt. Maidan – that is our freedom, but our democracy. Today we have to learn how to create persistent political groups to defend their interests.

Frequent change of power at the same time should not frighten us. During the test, and government crises are changing rapidly, because people’s needs are changing. For example, in post-war Italy changed its authority every six months, and over the country while laughing the whole of Europe, but it was an important step in achieving the growth of freedom.

Creating a nation for a year, now we have to modernize it. This means to get rid of the Soviet paternalistic management model. The current government until it is difficult for – all they want to do everything to give. But in a country where there is war and ruined the economy it is impossible. You need to let go of people and to be honest we can not provide you, but it will create conditions for you to help yourself.

I am absolutely not afraid of the emergence in Ukraine of several centers of political influence. The main thing is that they did not divide the country issues civilizational choice – between Russia and Europe. And I’m wondering if there are any in popular support for the ex-governor of the Dnipropetrovsk region Igorya Kolomoyskogo all the same manifestations of paternalism: that someone strong solve the problem for us? And maybe the same principle we follow in our European choice? Once the Soviet Union and Russia have discredited themselves, we will go to the EU?

Each time, growing in freedom, we have to ask ourselves these questions. Otherwise, the risk is great to choose Europe, not realizing that we choose.

In vain you think that the Soviet way of thinking only in the east but not in Galicia. For example, garbage lustration – people happily rushed to administer lynch bad officials, throwing them in the trash. And this is after the dignity of the revolution, where we fought against the degradation of man, for the rule of law.

I’m back here in Galicia, say you that our courts do not know? We – the little people, and we did not achieve justice. This is the manifestation of Soviet thinking. We still do not believe in their capabilities, by virtue of the joint action. And because any number we can call ourselves anti-Communist ideology, but to show their business these ideas. Not only grow in freedom, it is important to grow in morality.

The deepest biblical revelation for me: the Promised Land can be attained only when disappear those who remember the taste of slavery in Egypt. I would like to say that we can get rid of the Soviet past, but I can not. In this great and sad lesson for Ukraine. Maidan generation – it is people with different levels of assimilation of freedom, but they appeared only after almost 20 years of independence, and these people are still too few in power. We will have to wait until the grow another generation that will fall behind the current one.

Moses meaning of 40 years in that society begins to speak the same language, see a common goal. And that’s just at this moment the prophet led people to sacred Mount Sinai. Our Sinai is yet to come.

I judge by the way behaves in our leadership, and realize that they are on the brink. People in government understand that they needed to be in power for long, because now it is important to learn in a civilized and responsible to transmit and receive power.

Preferred Position Ukrainians – to be on the side of truth, and all the time to check yourself in it . This makes it possible to survive even in a desperate situation. I remember another young first came to Moscow. Snow-covered town, a powerful imperial grandeur. Then I thought, and I decided to oppose this force? And then I met a well-known dissident General Pyotr Grigorenko and knew I wanted to be a strong and sincere with. And this feeling – that the truth is not outside the Kremlin walls, and these weak, but honest people – gave me the strength and peace of mind even in camps, under threat of death.

During the years of independence, the Russians lost the ability to distinguish between good and evil. Remember, in the Soviet era in the way of information from the West to the Soviet listeners were “jammers”? But people still understand intuitively what is true. And now “jammers” No, but it destroyed the propaganda value of any information. All deep archaic instincts – blood, revenge, death – are used to deprive people of the ability to distinguish good. This is the biggest tragedy.

Previously, the Russians were capable of empathy. But in Soviet times there was a rigidity, anger and slavish submission. Man looking like themselves justify, and therefore shows the hatred of those who are the cause of his own weakness. The fact that the Russians now do not like the Ukrainians and believe the propaganda, there is this component, “Look, they escaped, got rid of their king, and we can not.” This humiliation is transformed into hatred, and sends them to war.

Putin in this war can only be stopped by force. If Ukraine has received a lethal weapon, it would be a red line. The Kremlin would have realized that further means war situation can not be controlled. On the other hand, I have the feeling that God has given us today this fragile truce balance that we find non-obvious response to the situation. After each party, acting in its own logic, leads humanity to a third world war. How to prevent this? Where is this unusual time? Perhaps, in this dispensation for Ukraine – to escape, finding a solution?

I understand very well Hope Savchenko, her hunger strike – is a way to stay human. She, like Gogol’s hero, must outline the circle around itself, so that no evil force there has not penetrated, and the hunger strike she did. I and many of my comrades, starving in the camps were well aware that the so-totalitarian power never win. But to put a barrier between you and the power, for which you are a grain of sand – to prisoner of conscience is an important point.

Protection of human rights and the Christian faith does not get along very harmoniously in me. But the issue of choice, I do not take tragic. I do not remember any stage of his life, where such a choice would not exist. It is important not to destroy the main principle of faith – the love of God through the love of a man. If I give the privilege doctrine, injuring a person, it is wrong. But at the same time, I will always look for an opportunity to hold doctrines, without harming the person – it’s my Christian mission.

5 questions Miroslav Marinović:

– An event that you consider important in your life?

– The decision to join the Ukrainian Helsinki Group.

– What is your favorite city?

– I love the Lions, and I feel good and comfortable in Kiev. It is a city that I was saying goodbye from the car windows, taking me to the camp. And there Drohobych – the city of my childhood.

– What do you get around the city?

– Before the tram, and now because of old age to and from work gives me a university car.

– What is your monthly cost of living?

– Honestly, I do not even use all of his salary. My wife and I help a lot of relatives and friends, to circumvent minimum requirements. I think today that at least 6-8 thousand. UAH.

– What do you seek?

– I was a little worried about career, I feel very comfortable, Vice-Rector and never wanted to be a rector or a politician. More important to me not to make a career, but to be on the good side.

Sourse, 17/04/2015

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It should not be ruled out that violence, terrorist attacks and killings will become the new law of life

December 21, 2016

After the analysis of the terrible events in Aleppo, the world’s terrorist attacks and demonstration killings, it appears that the main and perhaps the main argument of the modern world has become violent.

Violence was originally the shadow of a human life, it is inherent in human nature. Remember his first manifestation – the murder of Abel by Cain. Even then, it is harmoniously entered the life of the world and became co-exist with humans.

Another thing – there have been ebbs and flows of violence. Thus, a positive period of the postwar period was after the Second World War, when humanity said to myself: «newer again» (never again – trans.). Then the world was set up to ensure that never again allow a military nightmare. Then he took a major turning point, which I appreciate as a category of zero-sum and added value.

That is, the principle of zero-sum – is “an eye for an eye,” or “I won and you lost.” It’s a formula that involves violence basis. In turn, the principle of value added – is the principle of cooperation (for the participants get more on cooperation than on the single).

After the war, European civilization adopted the principles of added value and pushed all the antagonisms that have been in Europe before. It seemed forever pushed. But it so happened, as we would.

“With a light hand,” Putin’s violence is back in our lives.

The Russian president has decided to turn the chessboard and make Europe a new force redivision of the world. Unfortunately, this principle has become contagious: many nations become agitated and began to act selfishly, not as agreed earlier.

Of course, in this situation, a lot of the blame lies with the Brussels bureaucracy as cooperation formula, which they offer, often does not satisfy the people. Therefore, the “fashion” to force to resolve the problems returned. Therefore, we should not exclude that violence, acts of terror and murder will become the new law of life.

And it gives me a great disappointment, because I thought that humanity has become much wiser.

Sourse, 20/12/2017

Let’s change the rules of the game and become successful, otherwise we devour Bolshevik mood

November 12, 2016

November 10-11 in Lviv hosts international congress of dissidents and II Crimean forum. The event is timed to the 40th anniversary of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group – association of human rights defenders, who fought against human rights violations in the Soviet Union. Talk about Congress dissidents to one of its organizers – co-founder of UHG, dissident, pro-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University Miroslavom Marinovichem.

In Ukraine, there is a possibility of a new Maidan, but such an event – it is the will of the Holy Spirit, not man. Such an opinion in an interview with «LB.ua» stated Miroslav Marinović.

“The threat is there, but I still want to believe in the natural intuition of Ukrainians. And secondly, I believe that the Maidan – the will of the Holy Spirit, not man. Here Mustafa Nye wrote in Facebook «come to the Maidan,” and people came. Well, now let write … And nothing will happen. See, it’s not because Nye wrote, “- said Marinovic.

He added that Ukraine is on the verge of great changes.

“I really believed that the second Maidan will be the last, after which everything goes forward. Now I see what is not. After such a huge edifice, as the Ukraine, it is difficult to change. A huge car you can not turn as “Zaporozhets”. I believe there will be more ups, only ask God that they were not violent. We had two successful Maidana (we done to them, that’s another issue). But they were successful, because it was the right thing. When there is violence – forget about the support of the Holy Spirit “- Marinovic said.

However, he expressed confidence that the union dissidents in Ukraine in any organization or party is unrealistic.

“This is absolutely unrealistic, and reminds me of the traditional reproach to the initiative group of the First of December -” You are, do some treatment, but why do not you take to work? Why will not the political organization, the party? Young will help you. ” No! It is older people who barely make themselves come to the meeting, and that is not all. This is impossible even to speak. Among them are many weak “- Marinovic said.

Sourse, 11/11/2016

While suffering in the camps, I believe the grace of God

April 15, 2016

Vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv, a founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, Miroslav Marinović told why he was grateful to the Soviet camp, what Putin’s weakness, and why we can not allow a third Maidan – Maidan revenge.

– In your biography there is an interesting fact: in February 1987, while in exile in Kazakhstan, you have refused to petition for clemency. Why?

– In 1987, Gorbachev had to somehow solve the problem of political prisoners. This issue has been a thorn in its relations with the West, and he wanted to get rid of it. But it was necessary to do it nicely, to present everything as “workers’ request.” Therefore, the delegation traveled to the ends of the Union, to persuade people to write letters about his repentance. In this case, the chance to go free were very high.

But when to me was such a delegation, I did not yet know. It looked like this: I came to a group of prosecutors, government officials, the KGB officers, who say: “Write an application, and you immediately released.” I laughed and said: “Listen, I have not written this statement at the beginning of his term, when well understood that if I write, I would be freed That is, I could never sit whole life And now, when I two years of exile left.. you want to buy me in the same sentence – write and you will be released, I will not write anything, all right? “.

And they ask: “Would you please give a written denial?” I was surprised, shrugged his shoulders and say, of course. And he wrote, why can not file a petition for clemency. As it turned out, it was important to get a piece of paper. “Received a letter.” My failure as failures of other dissidents who were perceived as referring to the system.

Later, I was very surprised to learn that at about the same situation was, and the patriarch Joseph Blind – and this despite the fact that he was a prisoner to the other, the Stalinist era. He also asked to state their refusal in writing, which he did. KGB methods do not change.

– Time passes, and the system does not change?

– Rapidly changing external signs, ideology, but the essence remains the lowlands. And selective justice Yanukovych – a selective Soviet justice.

And what it cost to provide medical care in the camps: if you serve the system – you will be treated if you struggle with the system – you may, for example, to open the seal, put there arsenic, and then leave and not to return to the seal closed. And this is only a small bar.

And what about the case where the doctor refused to provide medical assistance to the Russian poet Viktor Nekipelov because in addition to the chest was a cross. He was in a very serious condition, and I gave him a pectoral cross. Victor was grateful to me. A doctor came – and recoiled simply: “No, let him heal you, and I will not be treated.” The name of that “Aesculapius” Pchelnikov. He, I think, would be sitting in the dock during the Nuremberg-2, if there was such a tribunal.

– In one of your speeches you talked about the fact that all crises – economic, political – one source – the human spirit crisis. I have to say is now appropriate that the peak of the crisis on the Ukrainian society is left behind?

– No, the crisis continues to grow. Ukrainian society has made very important things – I’m talking about the Maidan. I highly appreciate the spiritual significance of the Maidan. But in Ukrainian history as it was before: we are much easier to fight for the values ​​than to live in accordance with them.

I remember how impressed Maidan. If you ended up in paradise, where you love everyone and everything – you, and you are convinced of this. You can come to anyone, to say a few words and get an incredible dose of love, care, all the light. On the Independence it was possible, and then they returned to the usual system of coordinates. Many on itself felt, as when “one is a warrior” – about how to steal and steal as demanded bribes and demand, perhaps now even in larger sizes. Evil has become very aggressive. It feels like it is coming to an end.

So we need that there be at least a small group of people, who said: we do not care, we win the election or not, it is important to bring the public a new model of behavior and to implement this model by their actions, deeds and decisions. Only then can we say that the crisis had passed.

– What is missing for the emergence of such a group?

– If you think spiritual category, lacking confidence in each other. And if sociologically-public, we do not lack the solidarity in familiar circumstances. We know how to be united on the Maidan. But under normal circumstances, when you are surrounded by wicked people like to be in solidarity? We see the blackness of each, and people see our blackness.

This is our weakness and a problem: we are ready to live in solidarity, but only with perfect people. And sinners be solidarity we can not, and they therefore do not know how. Vicious circle. We expect a saint, as a result of wallowing in a wicked whirlpool. It is a spiritual problem.

– How to solve it?

– We are all sinners by definition. Lord hopes that realizing it, we can find a way to trust, mutual respect and understanding.

– By the way, of understanding. Commenting on the recent incident with the prohibition of LGBT festival, US ambassador Dzheffri Payett stated that “intolerance in Lviv contradict European future, for which so many Ukrainians have sacrificed.” Why do local authorities and the LGBT community has not been able to meet each other?

– My personal opinion is that what happened in Lviv, was generously paid provocation. The organizers of this event, which, incidentally, were not from the city, deliberately going to the conflict. Looking at those who broke them, too, you can see the elements of the order. Someone needed picture anti-European Lviv to the Dutch referendum, the answer was “no.”

However, I do not want to downplay the issue, saying that in Ukraine and particularly in Lviv, everyone loves the LGBT community. No. It is one thing to fight for their rights, and the other – to show their identity so as to cause a sharp rejection of the religious people.

What purpose was the organizers? Teach tolerance of the community? If they have such a purpose for this would need no gay parades and labor helotic work to convey the idea that we are all different, each with its own identity, respectively, for all of us to live in peace.

And in this particular case, I saw a lot of wickedness, provoking pride.

– Now Ukrainians attention again focused on the struggle for the premiership. In your opinion: Is a change for the better in castling?

– I do not rule out any positive effects. It would be irresponsible to deny a priori any possible positive side castling. People are trying, people want to make a difference – let me be.

What I do not believe – is that the current team of deputies and government officials in Ukraine is ready to make a radical change in the system. I do not believe it, even being on the Maidan, seen in front of the then opposition parties that were in power today. I am grateful for the fact that they kept the Ukraine, saved her from the abyss that opened up in front of her. Honor and praise them.

But Ukraine can change only when clearly realize that this system is incorrect. A current and a government and the presidential team – people who want to save Ukraine from the old system means.

Acting by the old methods, it is possible to temporarily prevent the fall of Ukraine, but radically change the country will not work. The reforms that have been adopted, remind me of the old road patching. Something patched where it became easier to drive. But I can smell the scent of the old Soviet way, on which we are still going. In order to build a new one, you need to act radically: remove the layer completely and give a new foundation. And on it – a new canvas.

– One day, recalling the resilience and courage of Hope Savchenko, you said that “dictators are afraid more than we: it is learned all political prisoners times the resistance movement.” Can we assume that under the pressure of his fear dictator Kremlin’s prisoner release to freedom?

– The fact is that if he was spiritually strong and confident, it would long ago have released it. Strong people are not afraid that they will think about, they make decisions when they dictates of conscience.

Vladimir Putin is weak and a notorious man. It does not find the reason, the reasons for the order to release the Hope, a disaster. I’m not talking about the fact that this system does not like to let go of people. Situation, when the Soviet or kvazisovetskaya, that is the Russian system to let their victims, are unique.

– In one interview you recall that the main purpose of your conclusion at the time, and after him, was not embittered. On or in the whole world?

– This is the interrelated things. Not angry with their abusers, we can reformulate. Do not live thinking about how to take revenge. It is important. It’s one thing when you’re living with the idea of ​​justice, to restore order. Hatred, anger, negative feelings for that you do not need. You light think about how you can correct the situation.

If you think about revenge, hatred is the inevitable companion. And then you will only think about the wrongs that have been in the past. It dooms walk with his head turned in the past, not the future. I do not want it at all. I want to look to the future.

Frankly, while suffering in the camps, I believe the grace of God. Yes, it was necessary to receive calls of destiny. Yes, I stood on the brink of life and death. But it has made me a different person, I have appeared “backbone” changed world.

God never takes away from everything human. Something takes, but then bestows great. A person who is able to see it, never want to take revenge on instruments that God used.

– The war, which continues to the east – one more test. How long will our society to stop dividing people into “us”, “alien”, “Lviv”, “Donetsk”, “Kiev”?

– If we come out of a sense of revenge, then all of this will be delayed for a long time, and who knows, will there ever be peace in Ukraine.

But I can imagine a situation in which it is the regions that today cause us indignation and some malice, in certain circumstances, can become engines of development of Ukraine.

Давайте представим: справедливость восторжествовала — Крым возвращается Украине. Но возвращается он в руки не украинских чиновников, которые отчасти в ответе за сложившуюся ситуацию, а в руки настоящих хозяев этой земли — крымских татар. Я бывал в Крыму и посещал кофейни, дома, принадлежащие крымским татарам. Это же была ляля! Они так любят эту землю, что никогда не смогут ей навредить. Только те, у кого нет кровной привязанности, способны на то, что сейчас делает этническое российское или русскоязычное население. Эту землю, будь она отдана крымским татарам, мы бы не узнали. Они бы превратили её в сад.

Similarly, with the Donetsk team. I remember how during the reign of Yanukovych, I concluded: his countrymen – very dynamic, ambitious, nelenivyh people. The only negative – the wrong value basis. In a short span of time they impose on Ukraine exactly the diabolical, irregular basis.

But we put this dynamism on the right spiritual foundation, they would become the locomotive of Ukraine.

– To do this, we need reforms in education?

– In education, too. But education – this decade. And I say that we need a rebirth now. Today’s young people, in a sense, already formed. I am very much looking forward to from her, because she is not a carrier of stereotypes, the older generation.

But we still do not know how to use it. Where young people now? Where her voice in decision-making in our country? Everything is decided by adult uncle, who pushed the young people even during the Maidan, although it actually began with the youth.

This is the first generation that is not the generation of “homo Sovieticus” it will declare itself decisive action – and only then we will change.

Despite the huge number of enthusiasts during the first Maidan representatives of the new generation have not been able to express themselves. But they did it in the second, they – the second generation of the Maidan.

– Can we say that the second Maidan turned out better than the first?

– They won, so I am convinced that from this point of view, were both successful. Speaking of failure or failure, we have in mind the political consequences. But the Ukrainian Maidan were not political revolutions – it is first of all spiritual phenomena. See the spiritual changes more difficult, political – it is easier. The latter really is not enough.

Maidan The aim was to change not just the political parameters and the mentality of the vast country, of all people, from head to toe.

Some animals change their skin all at once – and Ukraine. It seemed at one point, several efforts trying this old skin to relieve himself.

This is a global change, I can only be compared with the adoption of Christianity in Russia. And living as if the “inside” of transformation, of course, it seems that “all is lost”. I am an optimist who sees the huge potential of the Ukrainian people. I was delighted with the words British expert Sherry: “Ukraine – a country with a weak state and strong civil society in Russia – a country with a strong state and a weak civil society.”.

But we still demand: “We want a strong state, as in Russia!” He will not have this. We have a different nature, we the civil society on the other spiritual foundation is necessary to put. Then the government will have to reckon with the civil society.

– How do you feel, whether the third Maidan?

– I’m afraid to call it the third Maidan, because I always hear: “Third Independence – Independence of revenge.”

I do not want revenge Maidan. I want a spiritual phenomenon. We need one more push to throw off the old skin.

– What books have impressed you so much that you are advised to read them?

– You probably expect that will call the name of a Western intellectual who writes about unlocking the meaning of life. And I find it in the Bible. I do not say, of course, you need only read it. But in this book you can always see something new. Such continuous dialogue with me and the book Mary Valltorta “Bogocholovіk”.

Shevchenko is now urgent as ever. Take now “Kobzarik” open – yes, he yells about what is happening.

Ukraine need solidarity? Read “The Three Musketeers,” Dumas. There is love, friendship, and support – all that is so necessary to us today. None of intellectual research has not made such an impression on me, as this book.

– Whom Ukrainian society should be grateful for a human rights defender and journalist Miroslav Marynovych? Who shaped you as a person?

– First of all, his mother and sister. They were my support, formed the world, given the spiritual basis of life. And yet this fellow dissidents and their relatives. I think of these people as the door closed prison cell, and I was left alone. Already there was no one to help me, not to anyone was to play the role. Nevertheless, I always thought of them, those who remained behind the scenes, and I knew I could not let them blame me for some things.

Many of these people are no longer alive. I remember them with great gratitude and thank God for what they have been in my life.

Interviewed by Anna Sinyaschik

Miroslav Marinović – dissident, human rights activist, journalist, theologian, founder of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, the organizer of amnisterskogo movement in Ukraine, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv, a member of the initiative group “First of December” and Nestorovskoy group

Sourse, 14/04/2016

The Catholic Church for the sake of ephemeral “dialogue with Moscow” missed the truth

February 15, 2016

The meeting of the Pope and the Patriarch of Moscow found epochal failures Vatican diplomats who can not look out into the real world, says Miroslav Marinović, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University, a former political prisoner, a Ukrainian human rights activist and founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group.

“Dad had an opportunity to defend the interests of the offended Russian aggression had but did not use it.”, – notes Marinovic in his article in the “Ukrainian Truth”.

He is convinced that the Cuban declaration two primates is designed so that about Russia it refers to as a region, “an unprecedented revival of the Christian faith”, where there is the opportunity to “practice their religion freely,” while the alarm appears only when it comes to other countries.

“The Cuban declaration of the Pope and the Patriarch of Moscow is a vivid illustration of several things: the indisputable victory of the FSB and the Kremlin, with all their obedient tools, to which I refer, and the Russian Orthodox Church, and the total defeat of Ukrainian public diplomacy at the Vatican and the apparent lack of it Information Service by the UGCC; helpless blindness and incompetence of the Vatican diplomacy, which is easy to confuse peaceful lexicon; and alarming failure of influential circles of Europe decode deceitful formulas Putin’s propaganda “- Marinovic said.

“That’s why I have a pain conclude on the issue of Ukraine and the Russian Catholic Church for the sake of ephemeral” dialogue with Moscow “once again missed with the truth”, – he stressed.

Joint Declaration of Pope Francis and the head of the Russian Orthodox Church Kirill (Gundyaeva) was signed at the airport in Havana February 12. Ukrainian translation posted on the site, “Vatican Radio”. The Russian version – on the site of the ROC.

Sourse, 14/02/2016

Maidan-2016 in Ukraine, is it real?

January 5, 2016

Ukraine needs to develop, rather than return to a state of Kuchma’s regime. This was stated by Ukrainian human rights activist and founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University Myroslav Marinovic.

According to him, a stalemate has to be resolved in 2016, has evolved in the Ukrainian parliament.

“I have a feeling that, in political terms, was fastened a knot that can not be cut. The main war, which implicitly is in Ukraine, a war between the oligarchs and the people reform society, who want to implement the mandate received from the Maidan. This is a power struggle, I think, in 2016 resolved “, – said the expert.

According to founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, in 2016 we should not exclude the possibility of protests.

“The government must listen to the voice of society, sounded very drastic way. But I am opposed to emotional appeals, figuratively speaking, “all on the forks.” I want this government was a political alternative, but in a democratic sense of the word. Ukraine needs to develop, rather than return to a state of Kuchma’s regime, “- says human rights activist.

At the same time, Miroslav Marinović does not believe in “the third Maidan-2016.”

“Politically there is no alternative. All these radicals such as Lyashko – is not an option. This emotion, beyond which you should not clear Ukraine’s reform program. So I would be very worried if the third Maidan seized power radicals that can destroy, but can not create anything meaningful, “- concluded Marinovic.

Sourse, 04/01/2016

Not convicted crimes comes back

September 22, 2015

Seven years in the camps and five years in exile – as Miroslav Marinović has received from the Soviet government for what was one of the founders of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group. He says he lived behind bars spiritually rich, richer lives, than it is now. Dissident and human rights activist, member of the initiative “First of December”, the vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University has recently entered into a three of the major moral authorities of Ukraine according to the magazine “New Era”. During the discussion, “Lessons of History” in Lviv Mr Marinovic spoke about the main dilemma of the Soviet era, which again becomes relevant.

– It is a struggle between the instinct of self-preservation ( “not put out because srezhut”) and the voice of conscience, the natural human desire to do good that is given to him at birth. In Soviet times, this struggle gave rise to two types of personality. The first type – people who completely obey the instinct of self-preservation – the so-called homo soveticus. People willing to hide in a crack, to protect themselves from evil. The second type – the people that won the voice of conscience, and who became dissidents and joined the resistance movement.

error dissidents

This dilemma is returned. She, like Halley’s comet, which rotates around the sun, sometimes approaching Earth. Only every new generation, every era attaches to this dilemma the new parameters. Today, it is relevant for Ukraine, and for the world. On the one hand – a security issue: how to prevent World War III? How not to annoy Putin, that he did not destroy Ukraine? And on the other, how to protect the values ​​that underpin human civilization, for which twice went Maidan? Again a struggle between the instinct of self-preservation and the call of morality.

The main reason that this dilemma is returned, is that we are not condemned the crimes of communism, not expiated his sin. Partial responsibility for this lies with the dissidents.

In the early ’90s we did not want to carry out a new Nuremberg trial. It was important not to punish past and make a new social contract. The crimes of the communist regime, it seemed to me so obvious that the Communists themselves are aware of them and want to live a new life. I compared the crimes of communism with the crime of Cain, which, as we know from the Bible, is subject only to the judgment of God. It believed that if we manage to overcome the spiritual communism, we will be able to do without formal legal judgment. That was a mistake.

communist crime turned Kuchma crimes period, a symbol which is Georgiy Gongadze. Crimes Kuchma period were not, despite the slogan of “bandits – the prison,” convicted after the Orange Revolution. Political prisoners soon became political opponents and chase them was impossible. Consequently, crimes Yanukovych Kuchma period turned into crimes, which also are still not punished and condemned. Still there are untouchables, those people that for reasons of political expediency is still justice.

error in Europe

War of 1939 started two world monster – the Nazi regime in Germany and the communist Soviet regime. They began this deadly tango together, and then one of them turned their weapons against the other, and they came together in battle.

Soviet troops invaded Finland – this is definitely the culprit. And the very soldiers deploying weapons against the Nazis, became a conquering hero. This dual role of the Soviet Union in World War II – the role of the forces started the war itself it victoriously completed – are now involves much confusion.

According to West, suffering and heroism in the “Soviet people” during the war, give a moral right not to look into the crimes of the Gulag, not to think of Stalin’s purges. So we have a double standard in the treatment of the crimes of those times. The world heard the screams of people being tortured in the cellars of the Gestapo, but heard cries of tortured NKVD.

Timothy Snyder wrote that there is a difference in the historical memory of Western and Eastern Europe. East has experienced in the twentieth century two terrible totalitarian regime, and the West must recognize and rethink it. Victory over nazism should not close our eyes to the other side of the Soviet regime – criminal. “Can a prisoner who died in Vorkuta, to be happy, that died in Dachau?” – he wrote the Polish philosopher Leszek Kolakowski.

After the fall of the Third Reich in Germany held a hearing. After the fall of the Polish People’s Republic Voytseh Yaruzelsky also appeared before the court, though he was promised immunity. However, in the early 90’s the Germans tried to convince me: “Do not do Nuremberg-2, it is not necessary!”. Even more than once at the German-Ukrainian readings – and this was the time when Viktor Yushchenko finally raised to the national level the issue of Holodomor – the whole German delegation attacked the Ukrainians: “What are you doing Why raise this topic it not? realize that it mocks Russia, you’ll have new challenges? “.

So, the rule of law has worked in Europe, but she tried to block or at least delay a similar process in the post-Soviet space. These delays have led to what is already current generation must pay the price for the communist crimes. It seems to me that Heavenly hundreds, and soldiers killed at the front – the victim of what communism was not convicted in a timely manner. And part of the responsibility for what is happening today in Ukraine is on Europe.

Sourse, 21/09/2015

The formula of struggle

August 22, 2015

As a dissident Miroslav Marinović, who was convicted by a Soviet court for lying and anti-Soviet propaganda, it became one of the most influential people in today’s Ukraine and the head of one of the best universities.

In the Perm prison, a group of prisoners as a heated argument with a supervisor. Parties clearly do not find a common language. And then passed them prisoner. “Oh, so he will not lie! Come, please!” – refers to the prisoner overseer Miroslav Marinović. The irony lies in the fact that the Ukrainian dissident who had the reputation in prison honest and uncompromising man was sentenced for lying and anti-Soviet agitation.

Marinovic, known as an anti-Soviet, Soviet special services and a cheat, really would lie not. Being on the side of truth – his credo. Since the end of 1960 – even from his student years – the principles of life and a heightened sense of justice forced him to defend the rights in a regulated framework of the Soviet regime the country.

he said that even in the most terrible moments when he thought he was dying, never regretted his position. “Good does not win every battle, but winning the war – now says Marinovic – This perspective was in me from the beginning. I’ll be on the side of good, even if I lose.”

Now Marinovic stands good in the Ukrainian Catholic University (UCU), which is cited as the most progressive universities in the country. He – the permanent vice-rector of the institution, which is just 13 years of existence, has become one of the best sites for the training of journalists and business executives. According to international research firm Hay Group, UCU among the top five Ukrainian universities, whose popularity is growing rapidly.

In addition, the dissident works in the so-called Nestorovskoy group that develops after euromaidan vision of Ukraine’s mission. The document, which happens as a result, will form the basis of the country strategy. A similar experience in intellectual is already there: in the early 2000s, he developed a similar document for the city, which as a result has helped him become one of the most successful Russian cities.

The right to the word

At the time of the conclusion – seven years in prison and five years of exile – Marinovic was only 27 years old. By the time he has already weighed in dissident circles of Ukraine, as well as an impressive list of sins in the folder of the KGB investigators.

Collect dirt on the young Ukrainian nationalist state security began in the years of his studies at the Lviv Polytechnic, where he had the imprudence to criticize the Soviet system. The first serious warning Marinovic was in 1973, when with friends laid flowers at the monument to Taras Shevchenko in Kiev. “Crime” was that he paid tribute to the officially recognized poet, who died in Russia, on May 22 – the day of his reburial in Ukraine. The commemoration of that date, the Soviet secret service was considered a manifestation of nationalism.

With Shevchenko linked another case, glorified Marynovych far outside dissident circles. In 1976, he and his friend Nikolay Matusevich during the celebration of another anniversary of the day Shevchenko’s birth, which took place in the Kiev Philharmonic, took the stage and sang Zapovit. The official program, which consisted of songs about “how good to live in a Soviet country,” and read the diary of Shevchenko in Russian, the main product of Ukrainian poet not included.

“The evening was held in Russian, and it was a slap in the face to all Ukrainian,” – explains our original Marinovic indignation: he just could not tolerate such abuse. After leaving the stage, he is a bit made secure by saying that Zapovit Shevchenko loved to Vladimir Lenin. However, the safety net has not helped. When he began to play the piano, one who arranges concerts shouted: “The concert is over!” But the audience picked up Zapovit, and when turned off the light, began to sing louder.

“It was a complete defeat of those who ran and screamed that the concert is over,” – says Marinovic.

When it was over, out of the Philharmonic Friends feared, besides the entrance stood a car, and they assumed that it sit gebisty. But right there were people who came to the concert. They surrounded the brave men and conducted to the subway.

Then the KGB Marynovych not touched. “I’m happy to have been involved in at this point – he speaks of those events is now -. Such gestures have to be among the nations, they must be equal to the Ukrainians, because it maintains people in some valuable positions, gives examples of courage.”

Arrested a young dissident in 1977. “Early in the morning the doorbell rang insistently, – recalls the day the arrest of Tamil Matusevich, the sister of his best friend Marynovych, in the apartment where they lived then -. At first, we did not open, because they understood who came, but they rang and rang.”

To arrest he was ready. By the time Marinovic was already six months in the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, human rights activities. Then there was only ten brave men who gathered evidence of violations of the rights of compatriots and tried to establish the accreditation of foreign journalists in Kyiv.

“It was the dethronement of the Soviet myth, in which millions of people believed in the west, – says about the activities of the Helsinki Group Iosif Zisels, dissident, who was also a member -. We have shown that beautiful façade lying behind him – blood and crime.”

However, the Soviet court interpreted these activities under the anti-Soviet agitation and propaganda and denounced Marynovych the maximum sentence – seven years in prison.

In the camp among the political, he quickly began to enjoy prestige, says Oles Shevchenko, who was imprisoned with Marinovic (later was a member of the Verkhovna Rada of I convocation), “came to him, to solve a conflict, difficult situation or just for advice” .

Shevchenko recalls the joint celebration of Easter in 1981. On the eve of the guards warned the prisoners that the religious rite forbidden. “But we brought bread from the dining room, and in the barracks we had jam and sunflower oil – says Shevchenko -. Of these, we blinded the passover.” For this freedom of all prisoners then sent to a punishment cell.

However Marinovic not silent: he wrote a letter to the Pope on violations of the rights of believers in Soviet prisons. “Write it was impossible, so he” wrote “his head – says Shevchenko -. And then transferred to the paper and handed it to chance.”

Surprisingly, Marynovych letter to the pontiff came, and he even held a prayer service in support of Soviet political prisoners.

Varlam Shalamov, the last Stalinist camps, wrote about them as a place where the “dehumanization”. Marinovic, on the other hand, recalls his life behind barbed wire as a time of intense spiritual growth. Firstly, in the camp, he said, he had gathered a brilliant intellectual society, including writers Nikolai Rudenko and Eugene Sverstyuk poet Zenoviy Krasivskaya.

Under their influence Marinovic started writing poems in prison, and prepared a book of the Gospel of God’s fool, who released after release. Now he argues that it is in detention found faith in God.

God willing

Return Marynovych to Ukraine coincided with the beginning of perestroika. Then he began to study theology. First there were articles on inter-church peacefulness in the newspaper of the city of Drohobych, where he settled after the conclusion. “The end of the ’80s – it was a time of religious conflicts, – he explains the choice of the theme -. I have suffered from it, I saw it absurd, unwise and unpatriotic, prejudicial to the independence of Ukraine.”

Marynovych later invited to read lectures about the history of religion in Drohobych Pedagogical University. But after studying the course of history of religion in the United States, he established and headed the Institute of Religion and Society at the Lviv Theological Academy.

In parallel, he begins to work in the department of Ukrainian Association of Amnesty International and shrugs off suggestions go into politics – he repeatedly offered to run for the MPs. Marynovych not even managed to persuade his friend, Vyacheslav Chornovil, a dissident and political prisoner, and later – the founder of the People’s Movement of Ukraine.

Now Marinovic busy that loves – scientific work at UCU. Lectures, he does not read, but from time to time speaks to students with special inspiring “sermons”. “He – our living conscience, – said Otar Dovzhenko, a journalist and professor of journalism of the university -. His presence will ensure that the Criminal Code there is no corruption, no gotchas.”

When Marinovic UCU has become one of the most dynamic universities in the country – it is constantly evolving, says journalist and media expert Evgeny Hlibovytsky, worked with Marinovic first in Univskoy group, which developed the vision of Lvov, and now – in Nestorovskoy group, which is working on a strategic vision of Ukraine.

“The group Univskoy he did an unimaginable amount of work, – enthusiastically tells Hlibovytsky -. And such a man of his status can be neglected is his religious setting Marinovic did not want to practice arrogance…”

Many familiar with it people talk about his amazing honesty and inner freedom. And talking to HB, Marinovic remembered the story of how the nearly renounced his beliefs. It was in Kiev in the early ’70s. Young Marinovic a long time could not get a job because of the intervention of the KGB. Once he was an acquaintance invited to try on a prestigious location – the editorial board of the Soviet Ukrainian Encyclopedia.

“And I’m going to an interview and say to myself, in a whisper, that if I would take on the job, May 22 at the monument to Shevchenko will not go” – is now recognized Marinovic.

He is now with shame recalls the case and adds that it is convinced that no compromise will not survive – a characteristic feature of the Soviet man. This way of thinking is still working, and that he is the reason that the country can not change radically, he says in the conclusion of the conversation. The problem of the fate of the country today for Marynovych – the most important.

Sourse, 21/08/2015

About Ukrainian education reforms and things which really unites and divides the people of one country

May 19, 2015

Miroslav Marinović, Ukrainian human rights activist and scholar of religion, founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group and organizer amnisterskogo movement in Ukraine, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv. A man whose opinions heard. Probably, most of the democratic parties of Ukraine would like to see Miroslav Francovich on their lists, but for the most Marynovych success is not measured by the steps of the career ladder. One of the most influential Ukrainians told Politeka of Ukrainian education reforms and that really unites and divides the people of a country.

Miroslav Francovich first met with the KGB in the university years – for criticizing the Soviet policy. In 27 years, Miroslav Marinović has become a founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, and since then has come under constant surveillance. And then – the charges of anti-Soviet agitation and propaganda, imprisonment and exile, 150 days in a punishment cell, and hunger strikes.

This time Miroslav Francovich refers to one of the brightest periods of his life, because that is the conclusion made, according to a human rights activist, as “the man with the backbone.” Regularly refusing all offers to enter parliament, according to its mission involvement in changing the mentality of people and speech to parliament prefers to communicate with young people.

Politeka: Independence, volunteering, united opposition of the enemy Ukrainians, but can we say that we really become one? whether society needs, in your opinion, in the transformations, or the path to unity can be considered passed?

M. Marinovic: We discussed a lot about this in Nestorovskoy group, and came to the conclusion that a nation has already been created, and now it needs to be upgraded. This problem was I could be formulated differently. On the Independence, and especially during the war with Russia, a nation united common problem and a common desire to protect themselves from the enemy. It is a powerful unifying force. But the war end sooner or later – and then what? In other words, we need to rapidly develop a positive concept of a single state, so that the people united around shared values, which are so powerfully voiced Maidan: human dignity, national and religious freedom, the rule of law, public morality and social justice. Public demand for these values ​​is – do not have enough faith in what we can for them to become successful.

Politeka: Ukraine is now going through a very difficult time, which was the legacy of a paternalistic state, in which we have lived for so long. You travel a lot, and, in your opinion, if there is Ukrainians – on both sides of the Dnieper River – a desire to return to a usable form of life as paternalism?

M. Marinovic: Actually, we are from a paternalistic state has not yet emerged. Of course, society has changed significantly compared with Soviet times, but a chronic state management system is not dismantled. We still make the “hole course” repair the old Soviet way. Oligarchic system abuses paternalistic instincts of the population does not develop small and medium-sized businesses – that is, precisely those who overcame a paternalistic stereotypes. Therefore, Ukraine has not yet sounded the march “Farewell of Slav”, but the truth and that we are already very close to this. But regional differences are insignificant, and sometimes in Dnepropetrovsk can be found a more dynamic business elite than in Galicia.

Politeka: In his publications and interviews You’re saying that the Ukrainians are united East and West, they have the same expectations and aspirations. But why, in that case, there is a conflict where the line that divides people?

M. Marinovic: The border does exist, but it is mobile. In the early 1990s, it was held on Zbruch. While in Galicia were intensive processes of ideological and religious restructuring – then point the finger at Galicia as a region with an expressive “inflammation”. Presidential and parliamentary elections later times indicated that this boundary initially approached the Dnieper, then spread through him and to “win” the north of Ukraine. Then he stopped, having fenced off a so-called South East. Today, “inflammation” is precisely in this part of the country. Gone was the homogeneity of the local political orientations, once a single monolith disintegrated into fragments, which are active – in pain and agony – looking for a new identity. Technically, one could say that the occupied territories of the Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk regions just passed a new frontier, but this conclusion may be premature. Nobody spent here independent surveys, and the consequences of the occupation for many may be unexpected. Therefore, we will not jump to conclusions, let us instead build a free and democratic Ukraine – and let God do the rest.

Politeka: Besides the fact that different regions of Ukraine are carriers of different ideologies, they speak at least two languages. Periodically there talk of “non-discrimination of the Russian language.” A striking example – “language law” Kolesnichenko-Kivalov, which could exacerbate the division of society. Euromaidan virtually removed this item from the agenda, but the problem remained. Which can reduce the degree of confrontation and, if possible, remove the language issue? And whether it is necessary Ukraine approved at the state level bilingualism?

M. Marinovic: Model of two state languages ​​in Ukraine is bad, and therefore unacceptable. It is not conducive to the public understanding, but on the contrary, it would be complicating. It’s like that line up on the stadium runners on long distances on the same starting line, ignoring the fact that they then have to run different distances. This ostentatious justice that turns into a lie. Because of the long period Russification Ukrainian language has to “run” at a much greater range and therefore legal handicap should be mandatory for it. But the language problem actually is an instrument of the evil policies when for “bilingualism” the idea of ​​hiding the idea of ​​Russian monolingualism in the already non-Ukrainian state. Moses Fishbein well remarked, saying: “The danger is not in the fact that Russian will become the second state, and that the state would become the second Russian. ” Independence has twice confirmed that when people are equally defend the Ukrainian statehood and dignity, the voltage of the language problem simply disappears.

Politeka: There is much talk about the fact that reforms and promises are not met, does not change anything at all. People are starting to get tired. Do you think that’s what the Ukrainians can cause disappointment in what is happening in the country?

M. Marinovic: The other day I had an interesting conversation with an American who knows the Ukraine. It is not surprising slowness of reforms and maximalism of Ukrainians who want at a time “to jump to Heaven” and not able to see those real changes that are already transforming their lives. Here it harms not just the desire for more and utopian hope that everything can change quickly, and psychological fatigue, if everything does not happen immediately. But the Anglo-Saxons, according to my companion, well aware that the long journey can be overcome only small but successful steps. Therefore, we must believe in the Ukraine, and keep in mind that these steps do not have to “someone in Kiev”, but we ourselves.

Politeka: One way or another, but quite most of the news and conversations are now feykovye. Staged events, rumors, subjectivity (subjectivity especially influential persons), the emotions and the absence of a critical attitude to the news – all these factors affect the information field and, accordingly, those who follow him. We are all aware of the propaganda machine of the Russian Federation, but why produce false Ukrainian opinion leaders, consciously designed it? How to resist the lies?

M. Marinovic: Lie there for as long as humanity exists. This utopia – to think that you can get rid of it. But the feature of present-day time becomes a man’s inability to distinguish between truth and lies – and this is a great danger. Previously, the Soviet regime was forced to put the jammers, because people had enough to hear the voice of the free world – and they recognize the truth. Today, Putin’s regime jammers are not necessary – people already zombified so that it is not able to distinguish truth from falsehood. It is because our goal – to restore to the people the proper value basis, which is able to save the situation.

Politeka: How do you assess the establishment of the Anti-Corruption Bureau? Do I need to lyustrirovat officials stole millions from the budget, or whether they need to be immediately judged?

M. Marinovic: Ukraine must act the rule of law. This means that the abuse of power crime must be punished. The question is how it is, depends on the seriousness of the crime: someone needed lyustrirovat, and someone – a judge. Justice must also be sensitive to genuine repentance and be able to distinguish it from evil justifications “Kolyadniki-judges.”

Politeka: A very important question of education in Ukraine. How do you see Ukrainian higher education in five years? Which universities will remain, which will be closed due to reforms and conscious choice of students? What, in your opinion, should be changed in the system of higher education?

M. Marinovic: This question can not be answered in one sentence. The Soviet system of higher education also powerfully acted paternalism: universities have been selected freedom, instead of the state, “spoon-feed”. With this must be dealt with. Universities should receive tangible autonomy, thus becoming responsible for their status and level of education. You have to be prepared for the fact that to find a new balanced system of European education in Ukraine will not be easy – it takes time and proactive educators. But this way we must go.

Interviewed by Alla Bakr

Sourse, 18/05/2015

Decommunisation laws of Ukraine: it is necessary to go ahead

May 8, 2015

The President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko has to sign laws decommunisation. Indignation of some of the population will, in any case, but can not always look at the past.

This is a comment IA ZIK said human rights activist, journalist, theologian, founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv, Miroslav Marinović.

“I do know that these laws need to sign, implement them and do not look at those who will always cling to the past. We must go forward, “- he stressed.

According to Miroslav Marynovych, Russia spends a lot of money to Ukraine arose public indignation at about decommunisation laws. Thus, a certain part of the population is dissatisfied with the matter, Poroshenko to sign these laws or not.

“I do not exclude that the president waits until May 9. But, anyway, will be provocations. However, without doubt, the law must be signed. We have more than 20 years, we looked at those for whom it may be a trauma. As a result, they not only did not appreciate this gesture, and vice versa – have done everything to “invite” Russia and make us a semblance of civil war, “- said human rights activist.

Recall, April 9 Rada endorsed the draft law “On the condemnation of the Communist and National Socialist (Nazi) totalitarian regimes and ban their symbolism propaganda» (number 2558).

The law defines criminal Communist and Nazi regimes, which have claimed millions of Ukrainians. In Ukraine, introduced the responsibility for advocating Communist and Nazi regimes and the public use of their symbolism.

Production, distribution and use of Communist symbols, anthems of the USSR and the Ukrainian SSR shall be punished by restriction of freedom for up to five years, or imprisonment.

Also established procedures and deadlines for renaming objects that are “communist” name. On the streets of Ukrainian cities will take away the symbols and monuments that glorify the totalitarian regime functionaries.

Sourse, 07/05/2015

About Putin, remains of Soviet thinking and freedom of the nation

April 18, 2015

Vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University (UCU), human rights activist and theologian, founder of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, Miroslav Marinović – one of those people who are considered moral authorities era. He modestly calls himself an optimist, and a happy person, because the Ukraine, for which he has fought since the 70s, gained statehood, independence and freedom in his eyes.

Marinovic sooner became a dissident: 27 years, he was among the founders of the Helsinki Human Rights Group, and a year later for the unauthorized reading from the Kiev Conservatory scene poem Taras Shevchenko Zapovit sent him to seven years in a strict-regime camp and another five years in exile.

Later in his book The Gospel of God’s fool Marinovic he wrote that in the camp, despite all the hardships, it was much easier than, for example, in the Soviet army. Paradoxically, the free people in the USSR, he found behind the barbed wire, and not outside it.

In the 90 Marinovic he engaged in human rights activities, and participated in public life and at the same time repeatedly refused a political career and fame.

Today, 66-year-old theologian engaged in favorite business – working with students and formulates his own deep religious understanding of the processes taking place in Ukraine.

We meet in the main building of UCU in Lviv, in a small room in the attic of the building. In his office, littered with books and pictures, smells good freshly made coffee. Offering a traditional welcome drink Lviv, Marinovic moves closer to the table and plunged into the conversation.

Independence and war – is the next stage of growth in freedom. Naturally, we are facing in this process with growing pains. Dignity revolution gave us national solidarity – people came to the square every man for himself, and returned to the nation area. But we still do not fully understand the freedom and do not know how to use it.

It is a long and difficult process, but we want everything at once, and this results in a talk about the third Maidan. I am sure that in our power to have no enemies of the Ukrainian state, which means that there is no need to revolt. Maidan – that is our freedom, but our democracy. Today we have to learn how to create persistent political groups to defend their interests.

Frequent change of power at the same time should not frighten us. During the test, and government crises are changing rapidly, because people’s needs are changing. For example, in post-war Italy changed its authority every six months, and over the country while laughing the whole of Europe, but it was an important step in achieving the growth of freedom.

Creating a nation for a year, now we have to modernize it. This means to get rid of the Soviet paternalistic management model. The current government until it is difficult for – all they want to do everything to give. But in a country where there is war and ruined the economy it is impossible. You need to let go of people and to be honest we can not provide you, but it will create conditions for you to help yourself.

I am absolutely not afraid of the emergence in Ukraine of several centers of political influence. The main thing is that they did not divide the country issues civilizational choice – between Russia and Europe. And I’m wondering if there are any in popular support for the ex-governor of the Dnipropetrovsk region Igorya Kolomoyskogo all the same manifestations of paternalism: that someone strong solve the problem for us? And maybe the same principle we follow in our European choice? Once the Soviet Union and Russia have discredited themselves, we will go to the EU?

Each time, growing in freedom, we have to ask ourselves these questions. Otherwise, the risk is great to choose Europe, not realizing that we choose.

In vain you think that the Soviet way of thinking only in the east but not in Galicia. For example, garbage lustration – people happily rushed to administer lynch bad officials, throwing them in the trash. And this is after the dignity of the revolution, where we fought against the degradation of man, for the rule of law.

I’m back here in Galicia, say you that our courts do not know? We – the little people, and we did not achieve justice. This is the manifestation of Soviet thinking. We still do not believe in their capabilities, by virtue of the joint action. And because any number we can call ourselves anti-Communist ideology, but to show their business these ideas. Not only grow in freedom, it is important to grow in morality.

The deepest biblical revelation for me: the Promised Land can be attained only when disappear those who remember the taste of slavery in Egypt. I would like to say that we can get rid of the Soviet past, but I can not. In this great and sad lesson for Ukraine. Maidan generation – it is people with different levels of assimilation of freedom, but they appeared only after almost 20 years of independence, and these people are still too few in power. We will have to wait until the grow another generation that will fall behind the current one.

Moses meaning of 40 years in that society begins to speak the same language, see a common goal. And that’s just at this moment the prophet led people to sacred Mount Sinai. Our Sinai is yet to come.

I judge by the way behaves in our leadership, and realize that they are on the brink. People in government understand that they needed to be in power for long, because now it is important to learn in a civilized and responsible to transmit and receive power.

Preferred Position Ukrainians – to be on the side of truth, and all the time to check yourself in it . This makes it possible to survive even in a desperate situation. I remember another young first came to Moscow. Snow-covered town, a powerful imperial grandeur. Then I thought, and I decided to oppose this force? And then I met a well-known dissident General Pyotr Grigorenko and knew I wanted to be a strong and sincere with. And this feeling – that the truth is not outside the Kremlin walls, and these weak, but honest people – gave me the strength and peace of mind even in camps, under threat of death.

During the years of independence, the Russians lost the ability to distinguish between good and evil. Remember, in the Soviet era in the way of information from the West to the Soviet listeners were “jammers”? But people still understand intuitively what is true. And now “jammers” No, but it destroyed the propaganda value of any information. All deep archaic instincts – blood, revenge, death – are used to deprive people of the ability to distinguish good. This is the biggest tragedy.

Previously, the Russians were capable of empathy. But in Soviet times there was a rigidity, anger and slavish submission. Man looking like themselves justify, and therefore shows the hatred of those who are the cause of his own weakness. The fact that the Russians now do not like the Ukrainians and believe the propaganda, there is this component, “Look, they escaped, got rid of their king, and we can not.” This humiliation is transformed into hatred, and sends them to war.

Putin in this war can only be stopped by force. If Ukraine has received a lethal weapon, it would be a red line. The Kremlin would have realized that further means war situation can not be controlled. On the other hand, I have the feeling that God has given us today this fragile truce balance that we find non-obvious response to the situation. After each party, acting in its own logic, leads humanity to a third world war. How to prevent this? Where is this unusual time? Perhaps, in this dispensation for Ukraine – to escape, finding a solution?

I understand very well Hope Savchenko, her hunger strike – is a way to stay human. She, like Gogol’s hero, must outline the circle around itself, so that no evil force there has not penetrated, and the hunger strike she did. I and many of my comrades, starving in the camps were well aware that the so-totalitarian power never win. But to put a barrier between you and the power, for which you are a grain of sand – to prisoner of conscience is an important point.

Protection of human rights and the Christian faith does not get along very harmoniously in me. But the issue of choice, I do not take tragic. I do not remember any stage of his life, where such a choice would not exist. It is important not to destroy the main principle of faith – the love of God through the love of a man. If I give the privilege doctrine, injuring a person, it is wrong. But at the same time, I will always look for an opportunity to hold doctrines, without harming the person – it’s my Christian mission.

5 questions Miroslav Marinović:

– An event that you consider important in your life?

– The decision to join the Ukrainian Helsinki Group.

– What is your favorite city?

– I love the Lions, and I feel good and comfortable in Kiev. It is a city that I was saying goodbye from the car windows, taking me to the camp. And there Drohobych – the city of my childhood.

– What do you get around the city?

– Before the tram, and now because of old age to and from work gives me a university car.

– What is your monthly cost of living?

– Honestly, I do not even use all of his salary. My wife and I help a lot of relatives and friends, to circumvent minimum requirements. I think today that at least 6-8 thousand. UAH.

– What do you seek?

– I was a little worried about career, I feel very comfortable, Vice-Rector and never wanted to be a rector or a politician. More important to me not to make a career, but to be on the good side.

Sourse, 17/04/2015

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It should not be ruled out that violence, terrorist attacks and killings will become the new law of life

December 21, 2016

After the analysis of the terrible events in Aleppo, the world’s terrorist attacks and demonstration killings, it appears that the main and perhaps the main argument of the modern world has become violent.

Violence was originally the shadow of a human life, it is inherent in human nature. Remember his first manifestation – the murder of Abel by Cain. Even then, it is harmoniously entered the life of the world and became co-exist with humans.

Another thing – there have been ebbs and flows of violence. Thus, a positive period of the postwar period was after the Second World War, when humanity said to myself: «newer again» (never again – trans.). Then the world was set up to ensure that never again allow a military nightmare. Then he took a major turning point, which I appreciate as a category of zero-sum and added value.

That is, the principle of zero-sum – is “an eye for an eye,” or “I won and you lost.” It’s a formula that involves violence basis. In turn, the principle of value added – is the principle of cooperation (for the participants get more on cooperation than on the single).

After the war, European civilization adopted the principles of added value and pushed all the antagonisms that have been in Europe before. It seemed forever pushed. But it so happened, as we would.

“With a light hand,” Putin’s violence is back in our lives.

The Russian president has decided to turn the chessboard and make Europe a new force redivision of the world. Unfortunately, this principle has become contagious: many nations become agitated and began to act selfishly, not as agreed earlier.

Of course, in this situation, a lot of the blame lies with the Brussels bureaucracy as cooperation formula, which they offer, often does not satisfy the people. Therefore, the “fashion” to force to resolve the problems returned. Therefore, we should not exclude that violence, acts of terror and murder will become the new law of life.

And it gives me a great disappointment, because I thought that humanity has become much wiser.

Sourse, 20/12/2017

Let’s change the rules of the game and become successful, otherwise we devour Bolshevik mood

November 12, 2016

November 10-11 in Lviv hosts international congress of dissidents and II Crimean forum. The event is timed to the 40th anniversary of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group – association of human rights defenders, who fought against human rights violations in the Soviet Union. Talk about Congress dissidents to one of its organizers – co-founder of UHG, dissident, pro-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University Miroslavom Marinovichem.

In Ukraine, there is a possibility of a new Maidan, but such an event – it is the will of the Holy Spirit, not man. Such an opinion in an interview with «LB.ua» stated Miroslav Marinović.

“The threat is there, but I still want to believe in the natural intuition of Ukrainians. And secondly, I believe that the Maidan – the will of the Holy Spirit, not man. Here Mustafa Nye wrote in Facebook «come to the Maidan,” and people came. Well, now let write … And nothing will happen. See, it’s not because Nye wrote, “- said Marinovic.

He added that Ukraine is on the verge of great changes.

“I really believed that the second Maidan will be the last, after which everything goes forward. Now I see what is not. After such a huge edifice, as the Ukraine, it is difficult to change. A huge car you can not turn as “Zaporozhets”. I believe there will be more ups, only ask God that they were not violent. We had two successful Maidana (we done to them, that’s another issue). But they were successful, because it was the right thing. When there is violence – forget about the support of the Holy Spirit “- Marinovic said.

However, he expressed confidence that the union dissidents in Ukraine in any organization or party is unrealistic.

“This is absolutely unrealistic, and reminds me of the traditional reproach to the initiative group of the First of December -” You are, do some treatment, but why do not you take to work? Why will not the political organization, the party? Young will help you. ” No! It is older people who barely make themselves come to the meeting, and that is not all. This is impossible even to speak. Among them are many weak “- Marinovic said.

Sourse, 11/11/2016

While suffering in the camps, I believe the grace of God

April 15, 2016

Vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv, a founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, Miroslav Marinović told why he was grateful to the Soviet camp, what Putin’s weakness, and why we can not allow a third Maidan – Maidan revenge.

– In your biography there is an interesting fact: in February 1987, while in exile in Kazakhstan, you have refused to petition for clemency. Why?

– In 1987, Gorbachev had to somehow solve the problem of political prisoners. This issue has been a thorn in its relations with the West, and he wanted to get rid of it. But it was necessary to do it nicely, to present everything as “workers’ request.” Therefore, the delegation traveled to the ends of the Union, to persuade people to write letters about his repentance. In this case, the chance to go free were very high.

But when to me was such a delegation, I did not yet know. It looked like this: I came to a group of prosecutors, government officials, the KGB officers, who say: “Write an application, and you immediately released.” I laughed and said: “Listen, I have not written this statement at the beginning of his term, when well understood that if I write, I would be freed That is, I could never sit whole life And now, when I two years of exile left.. you want to buy me in the same sentence – write and you will be released, I will not write anything, all right? “.

And they ask: “Would you please give a written denial?” I was surprised, shrugged his shoulders and say, of course. And he wrote, why can not file a petition for clemency. As it turned out, it was important to get a piece of paper. “Received a letter.” My failure as failures of other dissidents who were perceived as referring to the system.

Later, I was very surprised to learn that at about the same situation was, and the patriarch Joseph Blind – and this despite the fact that he was a prisoner to the other, the Stalinist era. He also asked to state their refusal in writing, which he did. KGB methods do not change.

– Time passes, and the system does not change?

– Rapidly changing external signs, ideology, but the essence remains the lowlands. And selective justice Yanukovych – a selective Soviet justice.

And what it cost to provide medical care in the camps: if you serve the system – you will be treated if you struggle with the system – you may, for example, to open the seal, put there arsenic, and then leave and not to return to the seal closed. And this is only a small bar.

And what about the case where the doctor refused to provide medical assistance to the Russian poet Viktor Nekipelov because in addition to the chest was a cross. He was in a very serious condition, and I gave him a pectoral cross. Victor was grateful to me. A doctor came – and recoiled simply: “No, let him heal you, and I will not be treated.” The name of that “Aesculapius” Pchelnikov. He, I think, would be sitting in the dock during the Nuremberg-2, if there was such a tribunal.

– In one of your speeches you talked about the fact that all crises – economic, political – one source – the human spirit crisis. I have to say is now appropriate that the peak of the crisis on the Ukrainian society is left behind?

– No, the crisis continues to grow. Ukrainian society has made very important things – I’m talking about the Maidan. I highly appreciate the spiritual significance of the Maidan. But in Ukrainian history as it was before: we are much easier to fight for the values ​​than to live in accordance with them.

I remember how impressed Maidan. If you ended up in paradise, where you love everyone and everything – you, and you are convinced of this. You can come to anyone, to say a few words and get an incredible dose of love, care, all the light. On the Independence it was possible, and then they returned to the usual system of coordinates. Many on itself felt, as when “one is a warrior” – about how to steal and steal as demanded bribes and demand, perhaps now even in larger sizes. Evil has become very aggressive. It feels like it is coming to an end.

So we need that there be at least a small group of people, who said: we do not care, we win the election or not, it is important to bring the public a new model of behavior and to implement this model by their actions, deeds and decisions. Only then can we say that the crisis had passed.

– What is missing for the emergence of such a group?

– If you think spiritual category, lacking confidence in each other. And if sociologically-public, we do not lack the solidarity in familiar circumstances. We know how to be united on the Maidan. But under normal circumstances, when you are surrounded by wicked people like to be in solidarity? We see the blackness of each, and people see our blackness.

This is our weakness and a problem: we are ready to live in solidarity, but only with perfect people. And sinners be solidarity we can not, and they therefore do not know how. Vicious circle. We expect a saint, as a result of wallowing in a wicked whirlpool. It is a spiritual problem.

– How to solve it?

– We are all sinners by definition. Lord hopes that realizing it, we can find a way to trust, mutual respect and understanding.

– By the way, of understanding. Commenting on the recent incident with the prohibition of LGBT festival, US ambassador Dzheffri Payett stated that “intolerance in Lviv contradict European future, for which so many Ukrainians have sacrificed.” Why do local authorities and the LGBT community has not been able to meet each other?

– My personal opinion is that what happened in Lviv, was generously paid provocation. The organizers of this event, which, incidentally, were not from the city, deliberately going to the conflict. Looking at those who broke them, too, you can see the elements of the order. Someone needed picture anti-European Lviv to the Dutch referendum, the answer was “no.”

However, I do not want to downplay the issue, saying that in Ukraine and particularly in Lviv, everyone loves the LGBT community. No. It is one thing to fight for their rights, and the other – to show their identity so as to cause a sharp rejection of the religious people.

What purpose was the organizers? Teach tolerance of the community? If they have such a purpose for this would need no gay parades and labor helotic work to convey the idea that we are all different, each with its own identity, respectively, for all of us to live in peace.

And in this particular case, I saw a lot of wickedness, provoking pride.

– Now Ukrainians attention again focused on the struggle for the premiership. In your opinion: Is a change for the better in castling?

– I do not rule out any positive effects. It would be irresponsible to deny a priori any possible positive side castling. People are trying, people want to make a difference – let me be.

What I do not believe – is that the current team of deputies and government officials in Ukraine is ready to make a radical change in the system. I do not believe it, even being on the Maidan, seen in front of the then opposition parties that were in power today. I am grateful for the fact that they kept the Ukraine, saved her from the abyss that opened up in front of her. Honor and praise them.

But Ukraine can change only when clearly realize that this system is incorrect. A current and a government and the presidential team – people who want to save Ukraine from the old system means.

Acting by the old methods, it is possible to temporarily prevent the fall of Ukraine, but radically change the country will not work. The reforms that have been adopted, remind me of the old road patching. Something patched where it became easier to drive. But I can smell the scent of the old Soviet way, on which we are still going. In order to build a new one, you need to act radically: remove the layer completely and give a new foundation. And on it – a new canvas.

– One day, recalling the resilience and courage of Hope Savchenko, you said that “dictators are afraid more than we: it is learned all political prisoners times the resistance movement.” Can we assume that under the pressure of his fear dictator Kremlin’s prisoner release to freedom?

– The fact is that if he was spiritually strong and confident, it would long ago have released it. Strong people are not afraid that they will think about, they make decisions when they dictates of conscience.

Vladimir Putin is weak and a notorious man. It does not find the reason, the reasons for the order to release the Hope, a disaster. I’m not talking about the fact that this system does not like to let go of people. Situation, when the Soviet or kvazisovetskaya, that is the Russian system to let their victims, are unique.

– In one interview you recall that the main purpose of your conclusion at the time, and after him, was not embittered. On or in the whole world?

– This is the interrelated things. Not angry with their abusers, we can reformulate. Do not live thinking about how to take revenge. It is important. It’s one thing when you’re living with the idea of ​​justice, to restore order. Hatred, anger, negative feelings for that you do not need. You light think about how you can correct the situation.

If you think about revenge, hatred is the inevitable companion. And then you will only think about the wrongs that have been in the past. It dooms walk with his head turned in the past, not the future. I do not want it at all. I want to look to the future.

Frankly, while suffering in the camps, I believe the grace of God. Yes, it was necessary to receive calls of destiny. Yes, I stood on the brink of life and death. But it has made me a different person, I have appeared “backbone” changed world.

God never takes away from everything human. Something takes, but then bestows great. A person who is able to see it, never want to take revenge on instruments that God used.

– The war, which continues to the east – one more test. How long will our society to stop dividing people into “us”, “alien”, “Lviv”, “Donetsk”, “Kiev”?

– If we come out of a sense of revenge, then all of this will be delayed for a long time, and who knows, will there ever be peace in Ukraine.

But I can imagine a situation in which it is the regions that today cause us indignation and some malice, in certain circumstances, can become engines of development of Ukraine.

Давайте представим: справедливость восторжествовала — Крым возвращается Украине. Но возвращается он в руки не украинских чиновников, которые отчасти в ответе за сложившуюся ситуацию, а в руки настоящих хозяев этой земли — крымских татар. Я бывал в Крыму и посещал кофейни, дома, принадлежащие крымским татарам. Это же была ляля! Они так любят эту землю, что никогда не смогут ей навредить. Только те, у кого нет кровной привязанности, способны на то, что сейчас делает этническое российское или русскоязычное население. Эту землю, будь она отдана крымским татарам, мы бы не узнали. Они бы превратили её в сад.

Similarly, with the Donetsk team. I remember how during the reign of Yanukovych, I concluded: his countrymen – very dynamic, ambitious, nelenivyh people. The only negative – the wrong value basis. In a short span of time they impose on Ukraine exactly the diabolical, irregular basis.

But we put this dynamism on the right spiritual foundation, they would become the locomotive of Ukraine.

– To do this, we need reforms in education?

– In education, too. But education – this decade. And I say that we need a rebirth now. Today’s young people, in a sense, already formed. I am very much looking forward to from her, because she is not a carrier of stereotypes, the older generation.

But we still do not know how to use it. Where young people now? Where her voice in decision-making in our country? Everything is decided by adult uncle, who pushed the young people even during the Maidan, although it actually began with the youth.

This is the first generation that is not the generation of “homo Sovieticus” it will declare itself decisive action – and only then we will change.

Despite the huge number of enthusiasts during the first Maidan representatives of the new generation have not been able to express themselves. But they did it in the second, they – the second generation of the Maidan.

– Can we say that the second Maidan turned out better than the first?

– They won, so I am convinced that from this point of view, were both successful. Speaking of failure or failure, we have in mind the political consequences. But the Ukrainian Maidan were not political revolutions – it is first of all spiritual phenomena. See the spiritual changes more difficult, political – it is easier. The latter really is not enough.

Maidan The aim was to change not just the political parameters and the mentality of the vast country, of all people, from head to toe.

Some animals change their skin all at once – and Ukraine. It seemed at one point, several efforts trying this old skin to relieve himself.

This is a global change, I can only be compared with the adoption of Christianity in Russia. And living as if the “inside” of transformation, of course, it seems that “all is lost”. I am an optimist who sees the huge potential of the Ukrainian people. I was delighted with the words British expert Sherry: “Ukraine – a country with a weak state and strong civil society in Russia – a country with a strong state and a weak civil society.”.

But we still demand: “We want a strong state, as in Russia!” He will not have this. We have a different nature, we the civil society on the other spiritual foundation is necessary to put. Then the government will have to reckon with the civil society.

– How do you feel, whether the third Maidan?

– I’m afraid to call it the third Maidan, because I always hear: “Third Independence – Independence of revenge.”

I do not want revenge Maidan. I want a spiritual phenomenon. We need one more push to throw off the old skin.

– What books have impressed you so much that you are advised to read them?

– You probably expect that will call the name of a Western intellectual who writes about unlocking the meaning of life. And I find it in the Bible. I do not say, of course, you need only read it. But in this book you can always see something new. Such continuous dialogue with me and the book Mary Valltorta “Bogocholovіk”.

Shevchenko is now urgent as ever. Take now “Kobzarik” open – yes, he yells about what is happening.

Ukraine need solidarity? Read “The Three Musketeers,” Dumas. There is love, friendship, and support – all that is so necessary to us today. None of intellectual research has not made such an impression on me, as this book.

– Whom Ukrainian society should be grateful for a human rights defender and journalist Miroslav Marynovych? Who shaped you as a person?

– First of all, his mother and sister. They were my support, formed the world, given the spiritual basis of life. And yet this fellow dissidents and their relatives. I think of these people as the door closed prison cell, and I was left alone. Already there was no one to help me, not to anyone was to play the role. Nevertheless, I always thought of them, those who remained behind the scenes, and I knew I could not let them blame me for some things.

Many of these people are no longer alive. I remember them with great gratitude and thank God for what they have been in my life.

Interviewed by Anna Sinyaschik

Miroslav Marinović – dissident, human rights activist, journalist, theologian, founder of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, the organizer of amnisterskogo movement in Ukraine, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv, a member of the initiative group “First of December” and Nestorovskoy group

Sourse, 14/04/2016

The Catholic Church for the sake of ephemeral “dialogue with Moscow” missed the truth

February 15, 2016

The meeting of the Pope and the Patriarch of Moscow found epochal failures Vatican diplomats who can not look out into the real world, says Miroslav Marinović, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University, a former political prisoner, a Ukrainian human rights activist and founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group.

“Dad had an opportunity to defend the interests of the offended Russian aggression had but did not use it.”, – notes Marinovic in his article in the “Ukrainian Truth”.

He is convinced that the Cuban declaration two primates is designed so that about Russia it refers to as a region, “an unprecedented revival of the Christian faith”, where there is the opportunity to “practice their religion freely,” while the alarm appears only when it comes to other countries.

“The Cuban declaration of the Pope and the Patriarch of Moscow is a vivid illustration of several things: the indisputable victory of the FSB and the Kremlin, with all their obedient tools, to which I refer, and the Russian Orthodox Church, and the total defeat of Ukrainian public diplomacy at the Vatican and the apparent lack of it Information Service by the UGCC; helpless blindness and incompetence of the Vatican diplomacy, which is easy to confuse peaceful lexicon; and alarming failure of influential circles of Europe decode deceitful formulas Putin’s propaganda “- Marinovic said.

“That’s why I have a pain conclude on the issue of Ukraine and the Russian Catholic Church for the sake of ephemeral” dialogue with Moscow “once again missed with the truth”, – he stressed.

Joint Declaration of Pope Francis and the head of the Russian Orthodox Church Kirill (Gundyaeva) was signed at the airport in Havana February 12. Ukrainian translation posted on the site, “Vatican Radio”. The Russian version – on the site of the ROC.

Sourse, 14/02/2016

Maidan-2016 in Ukraine, is it real?

January 5, 2016

Ukraine needs to develop, rather than return to a state of Kuchma’s regime. This was stated by Ukrainian human rights activist and founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University Myroslav Marinovic.

According to him, a stalemate has to be resolved in 2016, has evolved in the Ukrainian parliament.

“I have a feeling that, in political terms, was fastened a knot that can not be cut. The main war, which implicitly is in Ukraine, a war between the oligarchs and the people reform society, who want to implement the mandate received from the Maidan. This is a power struggle, I think, in 2016 resolved “, – said the expert.

According to founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, in 2016 we should not exclude the possibility of protests.

“The government must listen to the voice of society, sounded very drastic way. But I am opposed to emotional appeals, figuratively speaking, “all on the forks.” I want this government was a political alternative, but in a democratic sense of the word. Ukraine needs to develop, rather than return to a state of Kuchma’s regime, “- says human rights activist.

At the same time, Miroslav Marinović does not believe in “the third Maidan-2016.”

“Politically there is no alternative. All these radicals such as Lyashko – is not an option. This emotion, beyond which you should not clear Ukraine’s reform program. So I would be very worried if the third Maidan seized power radicals that can destroy, but can not create anything meaningful, “- concluded Marinovic.

Sourse, 04/01/2016

Not convicted crimes comes back

September 22, 2015

Seven years in the camps and five years in exile – as Miroslav Marinović has received from the Soviet government for what was one of the founders of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group. He says he lived behind bars spiritually rich, richer lives, than it is now. Dissident and human rights activist, member of the initiative “First of December”, the vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University has recently entered into a three of the major moral authorities of Ukraine according to the magazine “New Era”. During the discussion, “Lessons of History” in Lviv Mr Marinovic spoke about the main dilemma of the Soviet era, which again becomes relevant.

– It is a struggle between the instinct of self-preservation ( “not put out because srezhut”) and the voice of conscience, the natural human desire to do good that is given to him at birth. In Soviet times, this struggle gave rise to two types of personality. The first type – people who completely obey the instinct of self-preservation – the so-called homo soveticus. People willing to hide in a crack, to protect themselves from evil. The second type – the people that won the voice of conscience, and who became dissidents and joined the resistance movement.

error dissidents

This dilemma is returned. She, like Halley’s comet, which rotates around the sun, sometimes approaching Earth. Only every new generation, every era attaches to this dilemma the new parameters. Today, it is relevant for Ukraine, and for the world. On the one hand – a security issue: how to prevent World War III? How not to annoy Putin, that he did not destroy Ukraine? And on the other, how to protect the values ​​that underpin human civilization, for which twice went Maidan? Again a struggle between the instinct of self-preservation and the call of morality.

The main reason that this dilemma is returned, is that we are not condemned the crimes of communism, not expiated his sin. Partial responsibility for this lies with the dissidents.

In the early ’90s we did not want to carry out a new Nuremberg trial. It was important not to punish past and make a new social contract. The crimes of the communist regime, it seemed to me so obvious that the Communists themselves are aware of them and want to live a new life. I compared the crimes of communism with the crime of Cain, which, as we know from the Bible, is subject only to the judgment of God. It believed that if we manage to overcome the spiritual communism, we will be able to do without formal legal judgment. That was a mistake.

communist crime turned Kuchma crimes period, a symbol which is Georgiy Gongadze. Crimes Kuchma period were not, despite the slogan of “bandits – the prison,” convicted after the Orange Revolution. Political prisoners soon became political opponents and chase them was impossible. Consequently, crimes Yanukovych Kuchma period turned into crimes, which also are still not punished and condemned. Still there are untouchables, those people that for reasons of political expediency is still justice.

error in Europe

War of 1939 started two world monster – the Nazi regime in Germany and the communist Soviet regime. They began this deadly tango together, and then one of them turned their weapons against the other, and they came together in battle.

Soviet troops invaded Finland – this is definitely the culprit. And the very soldiers deploying weapons against the Nazis, became a conquering hero. This dual role of the Soviet Union in World War II – the role of the forces started the war itself it victoriously completed – are now involves much confusion.

According to West, suffering and heroism in the “Soviet people” during the war, give a moral right not to look into the crimes of the Gulag, not to think of Stalin’s purges. So we have a double standard in the treatment of the crimes of those times. The world heard the screams of people being tortured in the cellars of the Gestapo, but heard cries of tortured NKVD.

Timothy Snyder wrote that there is a difference in the historical memory of Western and Eastern Europe. East has experienced in the twentieth century two terrible totalitarian regime, and the West must recognize and rethink it. Victory over nazism should not close our eyes to the other side of the Soviet regime – criminal. “Can a prisoner who died in Vorkuta, to be happy, that died in Dachau?” – he wrote the Polish philosopher Leszek Kolakowski.

After the fall of the Third Reich in Germany held a hearing. After the fall of the Polish People’s Republic Voytseh Yaruzelsky also appeared before the court, though he was promised immunity. However, in the early 90’s the Germans tried to convince me: “Do not do Nuremberg-2, it is not necessary!”. Even more than once at the German-Ukrainian readings – and this was the time when Viktor Yushchenko finally raised to the national level the issue of Holodomor – the whole German delegation attacked the Ukrainians: “What are you doing Why raise this topic it not? realize that it mocks Russia, you’ll have new challenges? “.

So, the rule of law has worked in Europe, but she tried to block or at least delay a similar process in the post-Soviet space. These delays have led to what is already current generation must pay the price for the communist crimes. It seems to me that Heavenly hundreds, and soldiers killed at the front – the victim of what communism was not convicted in a timely manner. And part of the responsibility for what is happening today in Ukraine is on Europe.

Sourse, 21/09/2015

The formula of struggle

August 22, 2015

As a dissident Miroslav Marinović, who was convicted by a Soviet court for lying and anti-Soviet propaganda, it became one of the most influential people in today’s Ukraine and the head of one of the best universities.

In the Perm prison, a group of prisoners as a heated argument with a supervisor. Parties clearly do not find a common language. And then passed them prisoner. “Oh, so he will not lie! Come, please!” – refers to the prisoner overseer Miroslav Marinović. The irony lies in the fact that the Ukrainian dissident who had the reputation in prison honest and uncompromising man was sentenced for lying and anti-Soviet agitation.

Marinovic, known as an anti-Soviet, Soviet special services and a cheat, really would lie not. Being on the side of truth – his credo. Since the end of 1960 – even from his student years – the principles of life and a heightened sense of justice forced him to defend the rights in a regulated framework of the Soviet regime the country.

he said that even in the most terrible moments when he thought he was dying, never regretted his position. “Good does not win every battle, but winning the war – now says Marinovic – This perspective was in me from the beginning. I’ll be on the side of good, even if I lose.”

Now Marinovic stands good in the Ukrainian Catholic University (UCU), which is cited as the most progressive universities in the country. He – the permanent vice-rector of the institution, which is just 13 years of existence, has become one of the best sites for the training of journalists and business executives. According to international research firm Hay Group, UCU among the top five Ukrainian universities, whose popularity is growing rapidly.

In addition, the dissident works in the so-called Nestorovskoy group that develops after euromaidan vision of Ukraine’s mission. The document, which happens as a result, will form the basis of the country strategy. A similar experience in intellectual is already there: in the early 2000s, he developed a similar document for the city, which as a result has helped him become one of the most successful Russian cities.

The right to the word

At the time of the conclusion – seven years in prison and five years of exile – Marinovic was only 27 years old. By the time he has already weighed in dissident circles of Ukraine, as well as an impressive list of sins in the folder of the KGB investigators.

Collect dirt on the young Ukrainian nationalist state security began in the years of his studies at the Lviv Polytechnic, where he had the imprudence to criticize the Soviet system. The first serious warning Marinovic was in 1973, when with friends laid flowers at the monument to Taras Shevchenko in Kiev. “Crime” was that he paid tribute to the officially recognized poet, who died in Russia, on May 22 – the day of his reburial in Ukraine. The commemoration of that date, the Soviet secret service was considered a manifestation of nationalism.

With Shevchenko linked another case, glorified Marynovych far outside dissident circles. In 1976, he and his friend Nikolay Matusevich during the celebration of another anniversary of the day Shevchenko’s birth, which took place in the Kiev Philharmonic, took the stage and sang Zapovit. The official program, which consisted of songs about “how good to live in a Soviet country,” and read the diary of Shevchenko in Russian, the main product of Ukrainian poet not included.

“The evening was held in Russian, and it was a slap in the face to all Ukrainian,” – explains our original Marinovic indignation: he just could not tolerate such abuse. After leaving the stage, he is a bit made secure by saying that Zapovit Shevchenko loved to Vladimir Lenin. However, the safety net has not helped. When he began to play the piano, one who arranges concerts shouted: “The concert is over!” But the audience picked up Zapovit, and when turned off the light, began to sing louder.

“It was a complete defeat of those who ran and screamed that the concert is over,” – says Marinovic.

When it was over, out of the Philharmonic Friends feared, besides the entrance stood a car, and they assumed that it sit gebisty. But right there were people who came to the concert. They surrounded the brave men and conducted to the subway.

Then the KGB Marynovych not touched. “I’m happy to have been involved in at this point – he speaks of those events is now -. Such gestures have to be among the nations, they must be equal to the Ukrainians, because it maintains people in some valuable positions, gives examples of courage.”

Arrested a young dissident in 1977. “Early in the morning the doorbell rang insistently, – recalls the day the arrest of Tamil Matusevich, the sister of his best friend Marynovych, in the apartment where they lived then -. At first, we did not open, because they understood who came, but they rang and rang.”

To arrest he was ready. By the time Marinovic was already six months in the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, human rights activities. Then there was only ten brave men who gathered evidence of violations of the rights of compatriots and tried to establish the accreditation of foreign journalists in Kyiv.

“It was the dethronement of the Soviet myth, in which millions of people believed in the west, – says about the activities of the Helsinki Group Iosif Zisels, dissident, who was also a member -. We have shown that beautiful façade lying behind him – blood and crime.”

However, the Soviet court interpreted these activities under the anti-Soviet agitation and propaganda and denounced Marynovych the maximum sentence – seven years in prison.

In the camp among the political, he quickly began to enjoy prestige, says Oles Shevchenko, who was imprisoned with Marinovic (later was a member of the Verkhovna Rada of I convocation), “came to him, to solve a conflict, difficult situation or just for advice” .

Shevchenko recalls the joint celebration of Easter in 1981. On the eve of the guards warned the prisoners that the religious rite forbidden. “But we brought bread from the dining room, and in the barracks we had jam and sunflower oil – says Shevchenko -. Of these, we blinded the passover.” For this freedom of all prisoners then sent to a punishment cell.

However Marinovic not silent: he wrote a letter to the Pope on violations of the rights of believers in Soviet prisons. “Write it was impossible, so he” wrote “his head – says Shevchenko -. And then transferred to the paper and handed it to chance.”

Surprisingly, Marynovych letter to the pontiff came, and he even held a prayer service in support of Soviet political prisoners.

Varlam Shalamov, the last Stalinist camps, wrote about them as a place where the “dehumanization”. Marinovic, on the other hand, recalls his life behind barbed wire as a time of intense spiritual growth. Firstly, in the camp, he said, he had gathered a brilliant intellectual society, including writers Nikolai Rudenko and Eugene Sverstyuk poet Zenoviy Krasivskaya.

Under their influence Marinovic started writing poems in prison, and prepared a book of the Gospel of God’s fool, who released after release. Now he argues that it is in detention found faith in God.

God willing

Return Marynovych to Ukraine coincided with the beginning of perestroika. Then he began to study theology. First there were articles on inter-church peacefulness in the newspaper of the city of Drohobych, where he settled after the conclusion. “The end of the ’80s – it was a time of religious conflicts, – he explains the choice of the theme -. I have suffered from it, I saw it absurd, unwise and unpatriotic, prejudicial to the independence of Ukraine.”

Marynovych later invited to read lectures about the history of religion in Drohobych Pedagogical University. But after studying the course of history of religion in the United States, he established and headed the Institute of Religion and Society at the Lviv Theological Academy.

In parallel, he begins to work in the department of Ukrainian Association of Amnesty International and shrugs off suggestions go into politics – he repeatedly offered to run for the MPs. Marynovych not even managed to persuade his friend, Vyacheslav Chornovil, a dissident and political prisoner, and later – the founder of the People’s Movement of Ukraine.

Now Marinovic busy that loves – scientific work at UCU. Lectures, he does not read, but from time to time speaks to students with special inspiring “sermons”. “He – our living conscience, – said Otar Dovzhenko, a journalist and professor of journalism of the university -. His presence will ensure that the Criminal Code there is no corruption, no gotchas.”

When Marinovic UCU has become one of the most dynamic universities in the country – it is constantly evolving, says journalist and media expert Evgeny Hlibovytsky, worked with Marinovic first in Univskoy group, which developed the vision of Lvov, and now – in Nestorovskoy group, which is working on a strategic vision of Ukraine.

“The group Univskoy he did an unimaginable amount of work, – enthusiastically tells Hlibovytsky -. And such a man of his status can be neglected is his religious setting Marinovic did not want to practice arrogance…”

Many familiar with it people talk about his amazing honesty and inner freedom. And talking to HB, Marinovic remembered the story of how the nearly renounced his beliefs. It was in Kiev in the early ’70s. Young Marinovic a long time could not get a job because of the intervention of the KGB. Once he was an acquaintance invited to try on a prestigious location – the editorial board of the Soviet Ukrainian Encyclopedia.

“And I’m going to an interview and say to myself, in a whisper, that if I would take on the job, May 22 at the monument to Shevchenko will not go” – is now recognized Marinovic.

He is now with shame recalls the case and adds that it is convinced that no compromise will not survive – a characteristic feature of the Soviet man. This way of thinking is still working, and that he is the reason that the country can not change radically, he says in the conclusion of the conversation. The problem of the fate of the country today for Marynovych – the most important.

Sourse, 21/08/2015

About Ukrainian education reforms and things which really unites and divides the people of one country

May 19, 2015

Miroslav Marinović, Ukrainian human rights activist and scholar of religion, founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group and organizer amnisterskogo movement in Ukraine, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv. A man whose opinions heard. Probably, most of the democratic parties of Ukraine would like to see Miroslav Francovich on their lists, but for the most Marynovych success is not measured by the steps of the career ladder. One of the most influential Ukrainians told Politeka of Ukrainian education reforms and that really unites and divides the people of a country.

Miroslav Francovich first met with the KGB in the university years – for criticizing the Soviet policy. In 27 years, Miroslav Marinović has become a founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, and since then has come under constant surveillance. And then – the charges of anti-Soviet agitation and propaganda, imprisonment and exile, 150 days in a punishment cell, and hunger strikes.

This time Miroslav Francovich refers to one of the brightest periods of his life, because that is the conclusion made, according to a human rights activist, as “the man with the backbone.” Regularly refusing all offers to enter parliament, according to its mission involvement in changing the mentality of people and speech to parliament prefers to communicate with young people.

Politeka: Independence, volunteering, united opposition of the enemy Ukrainians, but can we say that we really become one? whether society needs, in your opinion, in the transformations, or the path to unity can be considered passed?

M. Marinovic: We discussed a lot about this in Nestorovskoy group, and came to the conclusion that a nation has already been created, and now it needs to be upgraded. This problem was I could be formulated differently. On the Independence, and especially during the war with Russia, a nation united common problem and a common desire to protect themselves from the enemy. It is a powerful unifying force. But the war end sooner or later – and then what? In other words, we need to rapidly develop a positive concept of a single state, so that the people united around shared values, which are so powerfully voiced Maidan: human dignity, national and religious freedom, the rule of law, public morality and social justice. Public demand for these values ​​is – do not have enough faith in what we can for them to become successful.

Politeka: Ukraine is now going through a very difficult time, which was the legacy of a paternalistic state, in which we have lived for so long. You travel a lot, and, in your opinion, if there is Ukrainians – on both sides of the Dnieper River – a desire to return to a usable form of life as paternalism?

M. Marinovic: Actually, we are from a paternalistic state has not yet emerged. Of course, society has changed significantly compared with Soviet times, but a chronic state management system is not dismantled. We still make the “hole course” repair the old Soviet way. Oligarchic system abuses paternalistic instincts of the population does not develop small and medium-sized businesses – that is, precisely those who overcame a paternalistic stereotypes. Therefore, Ukraine has not yet sounded the march “Farewell of Slav”, but the truth and that we are already very close to this. But regional differences are insignificant, and sometimes in Dnepropetrovsk can be found a more dynamic business elite than in Galicia.

Politeka: In his publications and interviews You’re saying that the Ukrainians are united East and West, they have the same expectations and aspirations. But why, in that case, there is a conflict where the line that divides people?

M. Marinovic: The border does exist, but it is mobile. In the early 1990s, it was held on Zbruch. While in Galicia were intensive processes of ideological and religious restructuring – then point the finger at Galicia as a region with an expressive “inflammation”. Presidential and parliamentary elections later times indicated that this boundary initially approached the Dnieper, then spread through him and to “win” the north of Ukraine. Then he stopped, having fenced off a so-called South East. Today, “inflammation” is precisely in this part of the country. Gone was the homogeneity of the local political orientations, once a single monolith disintegrated into fragments, which are active – in pain and agony – looking for a new identity. Technically, one could say that the occupied territories of the Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk regions just passed a new frontier, but this conclusion may be premature. Nobody spent here independent surveys, and the consequences of the occupation for many may be unexpected. Therefore, we will not jump to conclusions, let us instead build a free and democratic Ukraine – and let God do the rest.

Politeka: Besides the fact that different regions of Ukraine are carriers of different ideologies, they speak at least two languages. Periodically there talk of “non-discrimination of the Russian language.” A striking example – “language law” Kolesnichenko-Kivalov, which could exacerbate the division of society. Euromaidan virtually removed this item from the agenda, but the problem remained. Which can reduce the degree of confrontation and, if possible, remove the language issue? And whether it is necessary Ukraine approved at the state level bilingualism?

M. Marinovic: Model of two state languages ​​in Ukraine is bad, and therefore unacceptable. It is not conducive to the public understanding, but on the contrary, it would be complicating. It’s like that line up on the stadium runners on long distances on the same starting line, ignoring the fact that they then have to run different distances. This ostentatious justice that turns into a lie. Because of the long period Russification Ukrainian language has to “run” at a much greater range and therefore legal handicap should be mandatory for it. But the language problem actually is an instrument of the evil policies when for “bilingualism” the idea of ​​hiding the idea of ​​Russian monolingualism in the already non-Ukrainian state. Moses Fishbein well remarked, saying: “The danger is not in the fact that Russian will become the second state, and that the state would become the second Russian. ” Independence has twice confirmed that when people are equally defend the Ukrainian statehood and dignity, the voltage of the language problem simply disappears.

Politeka: There is much talk about the fact that reforms and promises are not met, does not change anything at all. People are starting to get tired. Do you think that’s what the Ukrainians can cause disappointment in what is happening in the country?

M. Marinovic: The other day I had an interesting conversation with an American who knows the Ukraine. It is not surprising slowness of reforms and maximalism of Ukrainians who want at a time “to jump to Heaven” and not able to see those real changes that are already transforming their lives. Here it harms not just the desire for more and utopian hope that everything can change quickly, and psychological fatigue, if everything does not happen immediately. But the Anglo-Saxons, according to my companion, well aware that the long journey can be overcome only small but successful steps. Therefore, we must believe in the Ukraine, and keep in mind that these steps do not have to “someone in Kiev”, but we ourselves.

Politeka: One way or another, but quite most of the news and conversations are now feykovye. Staged events, rumors, subjectivity (subjectivity especially influential persons), the emotions and the absence of a critical attitude to the news – all these factors affect the information field and, accordingly, those who follow him. We are all aware of the propaganda machine of the Russian Federation, but why produce false Ukrainian opinion leaders, consciously designed it? How to resist the lies?

M. Marinovic: Lie there for as long as humanity exists. This utopia – to think that you can get rid of it. But the feature of present-day time becomes a man’s inability to distinguish between truth and lies – and this is a great danger. Previously, the Soviet regime was forced to put the jammers, because people had enough to hear the voice of the free world – and they recognize the truth. Today, Putin’s regime jammers are not necessary – people already zombified so that it is not able to distinguish truth from falsehood. It is because our goal – to restore to the people the proper value basis, which is able to save the situation.

Politeka: How do you assess the establishment of the Anti-Corruption Bureau? Do I need to lyustrirovat officials stole millions from the budget, or whether they need to be immediately judged?

M. Marinovic: Ukraine must act the rule of law. This means that the abuse of power crime must be punished. The question is how it is, depends on the seriousness of the crime: someone needed lyustrirovat, and someone – a judge. Justice must also be sensitive to genuine repentance and be able to distinguish it from evil justifications “Kolyadniki-judges.”

Politeka: A very important question of education in Ukraine. How do you see Ukrainian higher education in five years? Which universities will remain, which will be closed due to reforms and conscious choice of students? What, in your opinion, should be changed in the system of higher education?

M. Marinovic: This question can not be answered in one sentence. The Soviet system of higher education also powerfully acted paternalism: universities have been selected freedom, instead of the state, “spoon-feed”. With this must be dealt with. Universities should receive tangible autonomy, thus becoming responsible for their status and level of education. You have to be prepared for the fact that to find a new balanced system of European education in Ukraine will not be easy – it takes time and proactive educators. But this way we must go.

Interviewed by Alla Bakr

Sourse, 18/05/2015

Decommunisation laws of Ukraine: it is necessary to go ahead

May 8, 2015

The President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko has to sign laws decommunisation. Indignation of some of the population will, in any case, but can not always look at the past.

This is a comment IA ZIK said human rights activist, journalist, theologian, founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv, Miroslav Marinović.

“I do know that these laws need to sign, implement them and do not look at those who will always cling to the past. We must go forward, “- he stressed.

According to Miroslav Marynovych, Russia spends a lot of money to Ukraine arose public indignation at about decommunisation laws. Thus, a certain part of the population is dissatisfied with the matter, Poroshenko to sign these laws or not.

“I do not exclude that the president waits until May 9. But, anyway, will be provocations. However, without doubt, the law must be signed. We have more than 20 years, we looked at those for whom it may be a trauma. As a result, they not only did not appreciate this gesture, and vice versa – have done everything to “invite” Russia and make us a semblance of civil war, “- said human rights activist.

Recall, April 9 Rada endorsed the draft law “On the condemnation of the Communist and National Socialist (Nazi) totalitarian regimes and ban their symbolism propaganda» (number 2558).

The law defines criminal Communist and Nazi regimes, which have claimed millions of Ukrainians. In Ukraine, introduced the responsibility for advocating Communist and Nazi regimes and the public use of their symbolism.

Production, distribution and use of Communist symbols, anthems of the USSR and the Ukrainian SSR shall be punished by restriction of freedom for up to five years, or imprisonment.

Also established procedures and deadlines for renaming objects that are “communist” name. On the streets of Ukrainian cities will take away the symbols and monuments that glorify the totalitarian regime functionaries.

Sourse, 07/05/2015

About Putin, remains of Soviet thinking and freedom of the nation

April 18, 2015

Vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University (UCU), human rights activist and theologian, founder of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, Miroslav Marinović – one of those people who are considered moral authorities era. He modestly calls himself an optimist, and a happy person, because the Ukraine, for which he has fought since the 70s, gained statehood, independence and freedom in his eyes.

Marinovic sooner became a dissident: 27 years, he was among the founders of the Helsinki Human Rights Group, and a year later for the unauthorized reading from the Kiev Conservatory scene poem Taras Shevchenko Zapovit sent him to seven years in a strict-regime camp and another five years in exile.

Later in his book The Gospel of God’s fool Marinovic he wrote that in the camp, despite all the hardships, it was much easier than, for example, in the Soviet army. Paradoxically, the free people in the USSR, he found behind the barbed wire, and not outside it.

In the 90 Marinovic he engaged in human rights activities, and participated in public life and at the same time repeatedly refused a political career and fame.

Today, 66-year-old theologian engaged in favorite business – working with students and formulates his own deep religious understanding of the processes taking place in Ukraine.

We meet in the main building of UCU in Lviv, in a small room in the attic of the building. In his office, littered with books and pictures, smells good freshly made coffee. Offering a traditional welcome drink Lviv, Marinovic moves closer to the table and plunged into the conversation.

Independence and war – is the next stage of growth in freedom. Naturally, we are facing in this process with growing pains. Dignity revolution gave us national solidarity – people came to the square every man for himself, and returned to the nation area. But we still do not fully understand the freedom and do not know how to use it.

It is a long and difficult process, but we want everything at once, and this results in a talk about the third Maidan. I am sure that in our power to have no enemies of the Ukrainian state, which means that there is no need to revolt. Maidan – that is our freedom, but our democracy. Today we have to learn how to create persistent political groups to defend their interests.

Frequent change of power at the same time should not frighten us. During the test, and government crises are changing rapidly, because people’s needs are changing. For example, in post-war Italy changed its authority every six months, and over the country while laughing the whole of Europe, but it was an important step in achieving the growth of freedom.

Creating a nation for a year, now we have to modernize it. This means to get rid of the Soviet paternalistic management model. The current government until it is difficult for – all they want to do everything to give. But in a country where there is war and ruined the economy it is impossible. You need to let go of people and to be honest we can not provide you, but it will create conditions for you to help yourself.

I am absolutely not afraid of the emergence in Ukraine of several centers of political influence. The main thing is that they did not divide the country issues civilizational choice – between Russia and Europe. And I’m wondering if there are any in popular support for the ex-governor of the Dnipropetrovsk region Igorya Kolomoyskogo all the same manifestations of paternalism: that someone strong solve the problem for us? And maybe the same principle we follow in our European choice? Once the Soviet Union and Russia have discredited themselves, we will go to the EU?

Each time, growing in freedom, we have to ask ourselves these questions. Otherwise, the risk is great to choose Europe, not realizing that we choose.

In vain you think that the Soviet way of thinking only in the east but not in Galicia. For example, garbage lustration – people happily rushed to administer lynch bad officials, throwing them in the trash. And this is after the dignity of the revolution, where we fought against the degradation of man, for the rule of law.

I’m back here in Galicia, say you that our courts do not know? We – the little people, and we did not achieve justice. This is the manifestation of Soviet thinking. We still do not believe in their capabilities, by virtue of the joint action. And because any number we can call ourselves anti-Communist ideology, but to show their business these ideas. Not only grow in freedom, it is important to grow in morality.

The deepest biblical revelation for me: the Promised Land can be attained only when disappear those who remember the taste of slavery in Egypt. I would like to say that we can get rid of the Soviet past, but I can not. In this great and sad lesson for Ukraine. Maidan generation – it is people with different levels of assimilation of freedom, but they appeared only after almost 20 years of independence, and these people are still too few in power. We will have to wait until the grow another generation that will fall behind the current one.

Moses meaning of 40 years in that society begins to speak the same language, see a common goal. And that’s just at this moment the prophet led people to sacred Mount Sinai. Our Sinai is yet to come.

I judge by the way behaves in our leadership, and realize that they are on the brink. People in government understand that they needed to be in power for long, because now it is important to learn in a civilized and responsible to transmit and receive power.

Preferred Position Ukrainians – to be on the side of truth, and all the time to check yourself in it . This makes it possible to survive even in a desperate situation. I remember another young first came to Moscow. Snow-covered town, a powerful imperial grandeur. Then I thought, and I decided to oppose this force? And then I met a well-known dissident General Pyotr Grigorenko and knew I wanted to be a strong and sincere with. And this feeling – that the truth is not outside the Kremlin walls, and these weak, but honest people – gave me the strength and peace of mind even in camps, under threat of death.

During the years of independence, the Russians lost the ability to distinguish between good and evil. Remember, in the Soviet era in the way of information from the West to the Soviet listeners were “jammers”? But people still understand intuitively what is true. And now “jammers” No, but it destroyed the propaganda value of any information. All deep archaic instincts – blood, revenge, death – are used to deprive people of the ability to distinguish good. This is the biggest tragedy.

Previously, the Russians were capable of empathy. But in Soviet times there was a rigidity, anger and slavish submission. Man looking like themselves justify, and therefore shows the hatred of those who are the cause of his own weakness. The fact that the Russians now do not like the Ukrainians and believe the propaganda, there is this component, “Look, they escaped, got rid of their king, and we can not.” This humiliation is transformed into hatred, and sends them to war.

Putin in this war can only be stopped by force. If Ukraine has received a lethal weapon, it would be a red line. The Kremlin would have realized that further means war situation can not be controlled. On the other hand, I have the feeling that God has given us today this fragile truce balance that we find non-obvious response to the situation. After each party, acting in its own logic, leads humanity to a third world war. How to prevent this? Where is this unusual time? Perhaps, in this dispensation for Ukraine – to escape, finding a solution?

I understand very well Hope Savchenko, her hunger strike – is a way to stay human. She, like Gogol’s hero, must outline the circle around itself, so that no evil force there has not penetrated, and the hunger strike she did. I and many of my comrades, starving in the camps were well aware that the so-totalitarian power never win. But to put a barrier between you and the power, for which you are a grain of sand – to prisoner of conscience is an important point.

Protection of human rights and the Christian faith does not get along very harmoniously in me. But the issue of choice, I do not take tragic. I do not remember any stage of his life, where such a choice would not exist. It is important not to destroy the main principle of faith – the love of God through the love of a man. If I give the privilege doctrine, injuring a person, it is wrong. But at the same time, I will always look for an opportunity to hold doctrines, without harming the person – it’s my Christian mission.

5 questions Miroslav Marinović:

– An event that you consider important in your life?

– The decision to join the Ukrainian Helsinki Group.

– What is your favorite city?

– I love the Lions, and I feel good and comfortable in Kiev. It is a city that I was saying goodbye from the car windows, taking me to the camp. And there Drohobych – the city of my childhood.

– What do you get around the city?

– Before the tram, and now because of old age to and from work gives me a university car.

– What is your monthly cost of living?

– Honestly, I do not even use all of his salary. My wife and I help a lot of relatives and friends, to circumvent minimum requirements. I think today that at least 6-8 thousand. UAH.

– What do you seek?

– I was a little worried about career, I feel very comfortable, Vice-Rector and never wanted to be a rector or a politician. More important to me not to make a career, but to be on the good side.

Sourse, 17/04/2015

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It should not be ruled out that violence, terrorist attacks and killings will become the new law of life

December 21, 2016

After the analysis of the terrible events in Aleppo, the world’s terrorist attacks and demonstration killings, it appears that the main and perhaps the main argument of the modern world has become violent.

Violence was originally the shadow of a human life, it is inherent in human nature. Remember his first manifestation – the murder of Abel by Cain. Even then, it is harmoniously entered the life of the world and became co-exist with humans.

Another thing – there have been ebbs and flows of violence. Thus, a positive period of the postwar period was after the Second World War, when humanity said to myself: «newer again» (never again – trans.). Then the world was set up to ensure that never again allow a military nightmare. Then he took a major turning point, which I appreciate as a category of zero-sum and added value.

That is, the principle of zero-sum – is “an eye for an eye,” or “I won and you lost.” It’s a formula that involves violence basis. In turn, the principle of value added – is the principle of cooperation (for the participants get more on cooperation than on the single).

After the war, European civilization adopted the principles of added value and pushed all the antagonisms that have been in Europe before. It seemed forever pushed. But it so happened, as we would.

“With a light hand,” Putin’s violence is back in our lives.

The Russian president has decided to turn the chessboard and make Europe a new force redivision of the world. Unfortunately, this principle has become contagious: many nations become agitated and began to act selfishly, not as agreed earlier.

Of course, in this situation, a lot of the blame lies with the Brussels bureaucracy as cooperation formula, which they offer, often does not satisfy the people. Therefore, the “fashion” to force to resolve the problems returned. Therefore, we should not exclude that violence, acts of terror and murder will become the new law of life.

And it gives me a great disappointment, because I thought that humanity has become much wiser.

Sourse, 20/12/2017

Let’s change the rules of the game and become successful, otherwise we devour Bolshevik mood

November 12, 2016

November 10-11 in Lviv hosts international congress of dissidents and II Crimean forum. The event is timed to the 40th anniversary of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group – association of human rights defenders, who fought against human rights violations in the Soviet Union. Talk about Congress dissidents to one of its organizers – co-founder of UHG, dissident, pro-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University Miroslavom Marinovichem.

In Ukraine, there is a possibility of a new Maidan, but such an event – it is the will of the Holy Spirit, not man. Such an opinion in an interview with «LB.ua» stated Miroslav Marinović.

“The threat is there, but I still want to believe in the natural intuition of Ukrainians. And secondly, I believe that the Maidan – the will of the Holy Spirit, not man. Here Mustafa Nye wrote in Facebook «come to the Maidan,” and people came. Well, now let write … And nothing will happen. See, it’s not because Nye wrote, “- said Marinovic.

He added that Ukraine is on the verge of great changes.

“I really believed that the second Maidan will be the last, after which everything goes forward. Now I see what is not. After such a huge edifice, as the Ukraine, it is difficult to change. A huge car you can not turn as “Zaporozhets”. I believe there will be more ups, only ask God that they were not violent. We had two successful Maidana (we done to them, that’s another issue). But they were successful, because it was the right thing. When there is violence – forget about the support of the Holy Spirit “- Marinovic said.

However, he expressed confidence that the union dissidents in Ukraine in any organization or party is unrealistic.

“This is absolutely unrealistic, and reminds me of the traditional reproach to the initiative group of the First of December -” You are, do some treatment, but why do not you take to work? Why will not the political organization, the party? Young will help you. ” No! It is older people who barely make themselves come to the meeting, and that is not all. This is impossible even to speak. Among them are many weak “- Marinovic said.

Sourse, 11/11/2016

While suffering in the camps, I believe the grace of God

April 15, 2016

Vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv, a founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, Miroslav Marinović told why he was grateful to the Soviet camp, what Putin’s weakness, and why we can not allow a third Maidan – Maidan revenge.

– In your biography there is an interesting fact: in February 1987, while in exile in Kazakhstan, you have refused to petition for clemency. Why?

– In 1987, Gorbachev had to somehow solve the problem of political prisoners. This issue has been a thorn in its relations with the West, and he wanted to get rid of it. But it was necessary to do it nicely, to present everything as “workers’ request.” Therefore, the delegation traveled to the ends of the Union, to persuade people to write letters about his repentance. In this case, the chance to go free were very high.

But when to me was such a delegation, I did not yet know. It looked like this: I came to a group of prosecutors, government officials, the KGB officers, who say: “Write an application, and you immediately released.” I laughed and said: “Listen, I have not written this statement at the beginning of his term, when well understood that if I write, I would be freed That is, I could never sit whole life And now, when I two years of exile left.. you want to buy me in the same sentence – write and you will be released, I will not write anything, all right? “.

And they ask: “Would you please give a written denial?” I was surprised, shrugged his shoulders and say, of course. And he wrote, why can not file a petition for clemency. As it turned out, it was important to get a piece of paper. “Received a letter.” My failure as failures of other dissidents who were perceived as referring to the system.

Later, I was very surprised to learn that at about the same situation was, and the patriarch Joseph Blind – and this despite the fact that he was a prisoner to the other, the Stalinist era. He also asked to state their refusal in writing, which he did. KGB methods do not change.

– Time passes, and the system does not change?

– Rapidly changing external signs, ideology, but the essence remains the lowlands. And selective justice Yanukovych – a selective Soviet justice.

And what it cost to provide medical care in the camps: if you serve the system – you will be treated if you struggle with the system – you may, for example, to open the seal, put there arsenic, and then leave and not to return to the seal closed. And this is only a small bar.

And what about the case where the doctor refused to provide medical assistance to the Russian poet Viktor Nekipelov because in addition to the chest was a cross. He was in a very serious condition, and I gave him a pectoral cross. Victor was grateful to me. A doctor came – and recoiled simply: “No, let him heal you, and I will not be treated.” The name of that “Aesculapius” Pchelnikov. He, I think, would be sitting in the dock during the Nuremberg-2, if there was such a tribunal.

– In one of your speeches you talked about the fact that all crises – economic, political – one source – the human spirit crisis. I have to say is now appropriate that the peak of the crisis on the Ukrainian society is left behind?

– No, the crisis continues to grow. Ukrainian society has made very important things – I’m talking about the Maidan. I highly appreciate the spiritual significance of the Maidan. But in Ukrainian history as it was before: we are much easier to fight for the values ​​than to live in accordance with them.

I remember how impressed Maidan. If you ended up in paradise, where you love everyone and everything – you, and you are convinced of this. You can come to anyone, to say a few words and get an incredible dose of love, care, all the light. On the Independence it was possible, and then they returned to the usual system of coordinates. Many on itself felt, as when “one is a warrior” – about how to steal and steal as demanded bribes and demand, perhaps now even in larger sizes. Evil has become very aggressive. It feels like it is coming to an end.

So we need that there be at least a small group of people, who said: we do not care, we win the election or not, it is important to bring the public a new model of behavior and to implement this model by their actions, deeds and decisions. Only then can we say that the crisis had passed.

– What is missing for the emergence of such a group?

– If you think spiritual category, lacking confidence in each other. And if sociologically-public, we do not lack the solidarity in familiar circumstances. We know how to be united on the Maidan. But under normal circumstances, when you are surrounded by wicked people like to be in solidarity? We see the blackness of each, and people see our blackness.

This is our weakness and a problem: we are ready to live in solidarity, but only with perfect people. And sinners be solidarity we can not, and they therefore do not know how. Vicious circle. We expect a saint, as a result of wallowing in a wicked whirlpool. It is a spiritual problem.

– How to solve it?

– We are all sinners by definition. Lord hopes that realizing it, we can find a way to trust, mutual respect and understanding.

– By the way, of understanding. Commenting on the recent incident with the prohibition of LGBT festival, US ambassador Dzheffri Payett stated that “intolerance in Lviv contradict European future, for which so many Ukrainians have sacrificed.” Why do local authorities and the LGBT community has not been able to meet each other?

– My personal opinion is that what happened in Lviv, was generously paid provocation. The organizers of this event, which, incidentally, were not from the city, deliberately going to the conflict. Looking at those who broke them, too, you can see the elements of the order. Someone needed picture anti-European Lviv to the Dutch referendum, the answer was “no.”

However, I do not want to downplay the issue, saying that in Ukraine and particularly in Lviv, everyone loves the LGBT community. No. It is one thing to fight for their rights, and the other – to show their identity so as to cause a sharp rejection of the religious people.

What purpose was the organizers? Teach tolerance of the community? If they have such a purpose for this would need no gay parades and labor helotic work to convey the idea that we are all different, each with its own identity, respectively, for all of us to live in peace.

And in this particular case, I saw a lot of wickedness, provoking pride.

– Now Ukrainians attention again focused on the struggle for the premiership. In your opinion: Is a change for the better in castling?

– I do not rule out any positive effects. It would be irresponsible to deny a priori any possible positive side castling. People are trying, people want to make a difference – let me be.

What I do not believe – is that the current team of deputies and government officials in Ukraine is ready to make a radical change in the system. I do not believe it, even being on the Maidan, seen in front of the then opposition parties that were in power today. I am grateful for the fact that they kept the Ukraine, saved her from the abyss that opened up in front of her. Honor and praise them.

But Ukraine can change only when clearly realize that this system is incorrect. A current and a government and the presidential team – people who want to save Ukraine from the old system means.

Acting by the old methods, it is possible to temporarily prevent the fall of Ukraine, but radically change the country will not work. The reforms that have been adopted, remind me of the old road patching. Something patched where it became easier to drive. But I can smell the scent of the old Soviet way, on which we are still going. In order to build a new one, you need to act radically: remove the layer completely and give a new foundation. And on it – a new canvas.

– One day, recalling the resilience and courage of Hope Savchenko, you said that “dictators are afraid more than we: it is learned all political prisoners times the resistance movement.” Can we assume that under the pressure of his fear dictator Kremlin’s prisoner release to freedom?

– The fact is that if he was spiritually strong and confident, it would long ago have released it. Strong people are not afraid that they will think about, they make decisions when they dictates of conscience.

Vladimir Putin is weak and a notorious man. It does not find the reason, the reasons for the order to release the Hope, a disaster. I’m not talking about the fact that this system does not like to let go of people. Situation, when the Soviet or kvazisovetskaya, that is the Russian system to let their victims, are unique.

– In one interview you recall that the main purpose of your conclusion at the time, and after him, was not embittered. On or in the whole world?

– This is the interrelated things. Not angry with their abusers, we can reformulate. Do not live thinking about how to take revenge. It is important. It’s one thing when you’re living with the idea of ​​justice, to restore order. Hatred, anger, negative feelings for that you do not need. You light think about how you can correct the situation.

If you think about revenge, hatred is the inevitable companion. And then you will only think about the wrongs that have been in the past. It dooms walk with his head turned in the past, not the future. I do not want it at all. I want to look to the future.

Frankly, while suffering in the camps, I believe the grace of God. Yes, it was necessary to receive calls of destiny. Yes, I stood on the brink of life and death. But it has made me a different person, I have appeared “backbone” changed world.

God never takes away from everything human. Something takes, but then bestows great. A person who is able to see it, never want to take revenge on instruments that God used.

– The war, which continues to the east – one more test. How long will our society to stop dividing people into “us”, “alien”, “Lviv”, “Donetsk”, “Kiev”?

– If we come out of a sense of revenge, then all of this will be delayed for a long time, and who knows, will there ever be peace in Ukraine.

But I can imagine a situation in which it is the regions that today cause us indignation and some malice, in certain circumstances, can become engines of development of Ukraine.

Давайте представим: справедливость восторжествовала — Крым возвращается Украине. Но возвращается он в руки не украинских чиновников, которые отчасти в ответе за сложившуюся ситуацию, а в руки настоящих хозяев этой земли — крымских татар. Я бывал в Крыму и посещал кофейни, дома, принадлежащие крымским татарам. Это же была ляля! Они так любят эту землю, что никогда не смогут ей навредить. Только те, у кого нет кровной привязанности, способны на то, что сейчас делает этническое российское или русскоязычное население. Эту землю, будь она отдана крымским татарам, мы бы не узнали. Они бы превратили её в сад.

Similarly, with the Donetsk team. I remember how during the reign of Yanukovych, I concluded: his countrymen – very dynamic, ambitious, nelenivyh people. The only negative – the wrong value basis. In a short span of time they impose on Ukraine exactly the diabolical, irregular basis.

But we put this dynamism on the right spiritual foundation, they would become the locomotive of Ukraine.

– To do this, we need reforms in education?

– In education, too. But education – this decade. And I say that we need a rebirth now. Today’s young people, in a sense, already formed. I am very much looking forward to from her, because she is not a carrier of stereotypes, the older generation.

But we still do not know how to use it. Where young people now? Where her voice in decision-making in our country? Everything is decided by adult uncle, who pushed the young people even during the Maidan, although it actually began with the youth.

This is the first generation that is not the generation of “homo Sovieticus” it will declare itself decisive action – and only then we will change.

Despite the huge number of enthusiasts during the first Maidan representatives of the new generation have not been able to express themselves. But they did it in the second, they – the second generation of the Maidan.

– Can we say that the second Maidan turned out better than the first?

– They won, so I am convinced that from this point of view, were both successful. Speaking of failure or failure, we have in mind the political consequences. But the Ukrainian Maidan were not political revolutions – it is first of all spiritual phenomena. See the spiritual changes more difficult, political – it is easier. The latter really is not enough.

Maidan The aim was to change not just the political parameters and the mentality of the vast country, of all people, from head to toe.

Some animals change their skin all at once – and Ukraine. It seemed at one point, several efforts trying this old skin to relieve himself.

This is a global change, I can only be compared with the adoption of Christianity in Russia. And living as if the “inside” of transformation, of course, it seems that “all is lost”. I am an optimist who sees the huge potential of the Ukrainian people. I was delighted with the words British expert Sherry: “Ukraine – a country with a weak state and strong civil society in Russia – a country with a strong state and a weak civil society.”.

But we still demand: “We want a strong state, as in Russia!” He will not have this. We have a different nature, we the civil society on the other spiritual foundation is necessary to put. Then the government will have to reckon with the civil society.

– How do you feel, whether the third Maidan?

– I’m afraid to call it the third Maidan, because I always hear: “Third Independence – Independence of revenge.”

I do not want revenge Maidan. I want a spiritual phenomenon. We need one more push to throw off the old skin.

– What books have impressed you so much that you are advised to read them?

– You probably expect that will call the name of a Western intellectual who writes about unlocking the meaning of life. And I find it in the Bible. I do not say, of course, you need only read it. But in this book you can always see something new. Such continuous dialogue with me and the book Mary Valltorta “Bogocholovіk”.

Shevchenko is now urgent as ever. Take now “Kobzarik” open – yes, he yells about what is happening.

Ukraine need solidarity? Read “The Three Musketeers,” Dumas. There is love, friendship, and support – all that is so necessary to us today. None of intellectual research has not made such an impression on me, as this book.

– Whom Ukrainian society should be grateful for a human rights defender and journalist Miroslav Marynovych? Who shaped you as a person?

– First of all, his mother and sister. They were my support, formed the world, given the spiritual basis of life. And yet this fellow dissidents and their relatives. I think of these people as the door closed prison cell, and I was left alone. Already there was no one to help me, not to anyone was to play the role. Nevertheless, I always thought of them, those who remained behind the scenes, and I knew I could not let them blame me for some things.

Many of these people are no longer alive. I remember them with great gratitude and thank God for what they have been in my life.

Interviewed by Anna Sinyaschik

Miroslav Marinović – dissident, human rights activist, journalist, theologian, founder of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, the organizer of amnisterskogo movement in Ukraine, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv, a member of the initiative group “First of December” and Nestorovskoy group

Sourse, 14/04/2016

The Catholic Church for the sake of ephemeral “dialogue with Moscow” missed the truth

February 15, 2016

The meeting of the Pope and the Patriarch of Moscow found epochal failures Vatican diplomats who can not look out into the real world, says Miroslav Marinović, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University, a former political prisoner, a Ukrainian human rights activist and founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group.

“Dad had an opportunity to defend the interests of the offended Russian aggression had but did not use it.”, – notes Marinovic in his article in the “Ukrainian Truth”.

He is convinced that the Cuban declaration two primates is designed so that about Russia it refers to as a region, “an unprecedented revival of the Christian faith”, where there is the opportunity to “practice their religion freely,” while the alarm appears only when it comes to other countries.

“The Cuban declaration of the Pope and the Patriarch of Moscow is a vivid illustration of several things: the indisputable victory of the FSB and the Kremlin, with all their obedient tools, to which I refer, and the Russian Orthodox Church, and the total defeat of Ukrainian public diplomacy at the Vatican and the apparent lack of it Information Service by the UGCC; helpless blindness and incompetence of the Vatican diplomacy, which is easy to confuse peaceful lexicon; and alarming failure of influential circles of Europe decode deceitful formulas Putin’s propaganda “- Marinovic said.

“That’s why I have a pain conclude on the issue of Ukraine and the Russian Catholic Church for the sake of ephemeral” dialogue with Moscow “once again missed with the truth”, – he stressed.

Joint Declaration of Pope Francis and the head of the Russian Orthodox Church Kirill (Gundyaeva) was signed at the airport in Havana February 12. Ukrainian translation posted on the site, “Vatican Radio”. The Russian version – on the site of the ROC.

Sourse, 14/02/2016

Maidan-2016 in Ukraine, is it real?

January 5, 2016

Ukraine needs to develop, rather than return to a state of Kuchma’s regime. This was stated by Ukrainian human rights activist and founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University Myroslav Marinovic.

According to him, a stalemate has to be resolved in 2016, has evolved in the Ukrainian parliament.

“I have a feeling that, in political terms, was fastened a knot that can not be cut. The main war, which implicitly is in Ukraine, a war between the oligarchs and the people reform society, who want to implement the mandate received from the Maidan. This is a power struggle, I think, in 2016 resolved “, – said the expert.

According to founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, in 2016 we should not exclude the possibility of protests.

“The government must listen to the voice of society, sounded very drastic way. But I am opposed to emotional appeals, figuratively speaking, “all on the forks.” I want this government was a political alternative, but in a democratic sense of the word. Ukraine needs to develop, rather than return to a state of Kuchma’s regime, “- says human rights activist.

At the same time, Miroslav Marinović does not believe in “the third Maidan-2016.”

“Politically there is no alternative. All these radicals such as Lyashko – is not an option. This emotion, beyond which you should not clear Ukraine’s reform program. So I would be very worried if the third Maidan seized power radicals that can destroy, but can not create anything meaningful, “- concluded Marinovic.

Sourse, 04/01/2016

Not convicted crimes comes back

September 22, 2015

Seven years in the camps and five years in exile – as Miroslav Marinović has received from the Soviet government for what was one of the founders of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group. He says he lived behind bars spiritually rich, richer lives, than it is now. Dissident and human rights activist, member of the initiative “First of December”, the vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University has recently entered into a three of the major moral authorities of Ukraine according to the magazine “New Era”. During the discussion, “Lessons of History” in Lviv Mr Marinovic spoke about the main dilemma of the Soviet era, which again becomes relevant.

– It is a struggle between the instinct of self-preservation ( “not put out because srezhut”) and the voice of conscience, the natural human desire to do good that is given to him at birth. In Soviet times, this struggle gave rise to two types of personality. The first type – people who completely obey the instinct of self-preservation – the so-called homo soveticus. People willing to hide in a crack, to protect themselves from evil. The second type – the people that won the voice of conscience, and who became dissidents and joined the resistance movement.

error dissidents

This dilemma is returned. She, like Halley’s comet, which rotates around the sun, sometimes approaching Earth. Only every new generation, every era attaches to this dilemma the new parameters. Today, it is relevant for Ukraine, and for the world. On the one hand – a security issue: how to prevent World War III? How not to annoy Putin, that he did not destroy Ukraine? And on the other, how to protect the values ​​that underpin human civilization, for which twice went Maidan? Again a struggle between the instinct of self-preservation and the call of morality.

The main reason that this dilemma is returned, is that we are not condemned the crimes of communism, not expiated his sin. Partial responsibility for this lies with the dissidents.

In the early ’90s we did not want to carry out a new Nuremberg trial. It was important not to punish past and make a new social contract. The crimes of the communist regime, it seemed to me so obvious that the Communists themselves are aware of them and want to live a new life. I compared the crimes of communism with the crime of Cain, which, as we know from the Bible, is subject only to the judgment of God. It believed that if we manage to overcome the spiritual communism, we will be able to do without formal legal judgment. That was a mistake.

communist crime turned Kuchma crimes period, a symbol which is Georgiy Gongadze. Crimes Kuchma period were not, despite the slogan of “bandits – the prison,” convicted after the Orange Revolution. Political prisoners soon became political opponents and chase them was impossible. Consequently, crimes Yanukovych Kuchma period turned into crimes, which also are still not punished and condemned. Still there are untouchables, those people that for reasons of political expediency is still justice.

error in Europe

War of 1939 started two world monster – the Nazi regime in Germany and the communist Soviet regime. They began this deadly tango together, and then one of them turned their weapons against the other, and they came together in battle.

Soviet troops invaded Finland – this is definitely the culprit. And the very soldiers deploying weapons against the Nazis, became a conquering hero. This dual role of the Soviet Union in World War II – the role of the forces started the war itself it victoriously completed – are now involves much confusion.

According to West, suffering and heroism in the “Soviet people” during the war, give a moral right not to look into the crimes of the Gulag, not to think of Stalin’s purges. So we have a double standard in the treatment of the crimes of those times. The world heard the screams of people being tortured in the cellars of the Gestapo, but heard cries of tortured NKVD.

Timothy Snyder wrote that there is a difference in the historical memory of Western and Eastern Europe. East has experienced in the twentieth century two terrible totalitarian regime, and the West must recognize and rethink it. Victory over nazism should not close our eyes to the other side of the Soviet regime – criminal. “Can a prisoner who died in Vorkuta, to be happy, that died in Dachau?” – he wrote the Polish philosopher Leszek Kolakowski.

After the fall of the Third Reich in Germany held a hearing. After the fall of the Polish People’s Republic Voytseh Yaruzelsky also appeared before the court, though he was promised immunity. However, in the early 90’s the Germans tried to convince me: “Do not do Nuremberg-2, it is not necessary!”. Even more than once at the German-Ukrainian readings – and this was the time when Viktor Yushchenko finally raised to the national level the issue of Holodomor – the whole German delegation attacked the Ukrainians: “What are you doing Why raise this topic it not? realize that it mocks Russia, you’ll have new challenges? “.

So, the rule of law has worked in Europe, but she tried to block or at least delay a similar process in the post-Soviet space. These delays have led to what is already current generation must pay the price for the communist crimes. It seems to me that Heavenly hundreds, and soldiers killed at the front – the victim of what communism was not convicted in a timely manner. And part of the responsibility for what is happening today in Ukraine is on Europe.

Sourse, 21/09/2015

The formula of struggle

August 22, 2015

As a dissident Miroslav Marinović, who was convicted by a Soviet court for lying and anti-Soviet propaganda, it became one of the most influential people in today’s Ukraine and the head of one of the best universities.

In the Perm prison, a group of prisoners as a heated argument with a supervisor. Parties clearly do not find a common language. And then passed them prisoner. “Oh, so he will not lie! Come, please!” – refers to the prisoner overseer Miroslav Marinović. The irony lies in the fact that the Ukrainian dissident who had the reputation in prison honest and uncompromising man was sentenced for lying and anti-Soviet agitation.

Marinovic, known as an anti-Soviet, Soviet special services and a cheat, really would lie not. Being on the side of truth – his credo. Since the end of 1960 – even from his student years – the principles of life and a heightened sense of justice forced him to defend the rights in a regulated framework of the Soviet regime the country.

he said that even in the most terrible moments when he thought he was dying, never regretted his position. “Good does not win every battle, but winning the war – now says Marinovic – This perspective was in me from the beginning. I’ll be on the side of good, even if I lose.”

Now Marinovic stands good in the Ukrainian Catholic University (UCU), which is cited as the most progressive universities in the country. He – the permanent vice-rector of the institution, which is just 13 years of existence, has become one of the best sites for the training of journalists and business executives. According to international research firm Hay Group, UCU among the top five Ukrainian universities, whose popularity is growing rapidly.

In addition, the dissident works in the so-called Nestorovskoy group that develops after euromaidan vision of Ukraine’s mission. The document, which happens as a result, will form the basis of the country strategy. A similar experience in intellectual is already there: in the early 2000s, he developed a similar document for the city, which as a result has helped him become one of the most successful Russian cities.

The right to the word

At the time of the conclusion – seven years in prison and five years of exile – Marinovic was only 27 years old. By the time he has already weighed in dissident circles of Ukraine, as well as an impressive list of sins in the folder of the KGB investigators.

Collect dirt on the young Ukrainian nationalist state security began in the years of his studies at the Lviv Polytechnic, where he had the imprudence to criticize the Soviet system. The first serious warning Marinovic was in 1973, when with friends laid flowers at the monument to Taras Shevchenko in Kiev. “Crime” was that he paid tribute to the officially recognized poet, who died in Russia, on May 22 – the day of his reburial in Ukraine. The commemoration of that date, the Soviet secret service was considered a manifestation of nationalism.

With Shevchenko linked another case, glorified Marynovych far outside dissident circles. In 1976, he and his friend Nikolay Matusevich during the celebration of another anniversary of the day Shevchenko’s birth, which took place in the Kiev Philharmonic, took the stage and sang Zapovit. The official program, which consisted of songs about “how good to live in a Soviet country,” and read the diary of Shevchenko in Russian, the main product of Ukrainian poet not included.

“The evening was held in Russian, and it was a slap in the face to all Ukrainian,” – explains our original Marinovic indignation: he just could not tolerate such abuse. After leaving the stage, he is a bit made secure by saying that Zapovit Shevchenko loved to Vladimir Lenin. However, the safety net has not helped. When he began to play the piano, one who arranges concerts shouted: “The concert is over!” But the audience picked up Zapovit, and when turned off the light, began to sing louder.

“It was a complete defeat of those who ran and screamed that the concert is over,” – says Marinovic.

When it was over, out of the Philharmonic Friends feared, besides the entrance stood a car, and they assumed that it sit gebisty. But right there were people who came to the concert. They surrounded the brave men and conducted to the subway.

Then the KGB Marynovych not touched. “I’m happy to have been involved in at this point – he speaks of those events is now -. Such gestures have to be among the nations, they must be equal to the Ukrainians, because it maintains people in some valuable positions, gives examples of courage.”

Arrested a young dissident in 1977. “Early in the morning the doorbell rang insistently, – recalls the day the arrest of Tamil Matusevich, the sister of his best friend Marynovych, in the apartment where they lived then -. At first, we did not open, because they understood who came, but they rang and rang.”

To arrest he was ready. By the time Marinovic was already six months in the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, human rights activities. Then there was only ten brave men who gathered evidence of violations of the rights of compatriots and tried to establish the accreditation of foreign journalists in Kyiv.

“It was the dethronement of the Soviet myth, in which millions of people believed in the west, – says about the activities of the Helsinki Group Iosif Zisels, dissident, who was also a member -. We have shown that beautiful façade lying behind him – blood and crime.”

However, the Soviet court interpreted these activities under the anti-Soviet agitation and propaganda and denounced Marynovych the maximum sentence – seven years in prison.

In the camp among the political, he quickly began to enjoy prestige, says Oles Shevchenko, who was imprisoned with Marinovic (later was a member of the Verkhovna Rada of I convocation), “came to him, to solve a conflict, difficult situation or just for advice” .

Shevchenko recalls the joint celebration of Easter in 1981. On the eve of the guards warned the prisoners that the religious rite forbidden. “But we brought bread from the dining room, and in the barracks we had jam and sunflower oil – says Shevchenko -. Of these, we blinded the passover.” For this freedom of all prisoners then sent to a punishment cell.

However Marinovic not silent: he wrote a letter to the Pope on violations of the rights of believers in Soviet prisons. “Write it was impossible, so he” wrote “his head – says Shevchenko -. And then transferred to the paper and handed it to chance.”

Surprisingly, Marynovych letter to the pontiff came, and he even held a prayer service in support of Soviet political prisoners.

Varlam Shalamov, the last Stalinist camps, wrote about them as a place where the “dehumanization”. Marinovic, on the other hand, recalls his life behind barbed wire as a time of intense spiritual growth. Firstly, in the camp, he said, he had gathered a brilliant intellectual society, including writers Nikolai Rudenko and Eugene Sverstyuk poet Zenoviy Krasivskaya.

Under their influence Marinovic started writing poems in prison, and prepared a book of the Gospel of God’s fool, who released after release. Now he argues that it is in detention found faith in God.

God willing

Return Marynovych to Ukraine coincided with the beginning of perestroika. Then he began to study theology. First there were articles on inter-church peacefulness in the newspaper of the city of Drohobych, where he settled after the conclusion. “The end of the ’80s – it was a time of religious conflicts, – he explains the choice of the theme -. I have suffered from it, I saw it absurd, unwise and unpatriotic, prejudicial to the independence of Ukraine.”

Marynovych later invited to read lectures about the history of religion in Drohobych Pedagogical University. But after studying the course of history of religion in the United States, he established and headed the Institute of Religion and Society at the Lviv Theological Academy.

In parallel, he begins to work in the department of Ukrainian Association of Amnesty International and shrugs off suggestions go into politics – he repeatedly offered to run for the MPs. Marynovych not even managed to persuade his friend, Vyacheslav Chornovil, a dissident and political prisoner, and later – the founder of the People’s Movement of Ukraine.

Now Marinovic busy that loves – scientific work at UCU. Lectures, he does not read, but from time to time speaks to students with special inspiring “sermons”. “He – our living conscience, – said Otar Dovzhenko, a journalist and professor of journalism of the university -. His presence will ensure that the Criminal Code there is no corruption, no gotchas.”

When Marinovic UCU has become one of the most dynamic universities in the country – it is constantly evolving, says journalist and media expert Evgeny Hlibovytsky, worked with Marinovic first in Univskoy group, which developed the vision of Lvov, and now – in Nestorovskoy group, which is working on a strategic vision of Ukraine.

“The group Univskoy he did an unimaginable amount of work, – enthusiastically tells Hlibovytsky -. And such a man of his status can be neglected is his religious setting Marinovic did not want to practice arrogance…”

Many familiar with it people talk about his amazing honesty and inner freedom. And talking to HB, Marinovic remembered the story of how the nearly renounced his beliefs. It was in Kiev in the early ’70s. Young Marinovic a long time could not get a job because of the intervention of the KGB. Once he was an acquaintance invited to try on a prestigious location – the editorial board of the Soviet Ukrainian Encyclopedia.

“And I’m going to an interview and say to myself, in a whisper, that if I would take on the job, May 22 at the monument to Shevchenko will not go” – is now recognized Marinovic.

He is now with shame recalls the case and adds that it is convinced that no compromise will not survive – a characteristic feature of the Soviet man. This way of thinking is still working, and that he is the reason that the country can not change radically, he says in the conclusion of the conversation. The problem of the fate of the country today for Marynovych – the most important.

Sourse, 21/08/2015

About Ukrainian education reforms and things which really unites and divides the people of one country

May 19, 2015

Miroslav Marinović, Ukrainian human rights activist and scholar of religion, founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group and organizer amnisterskogo movement in Ukraine, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv. A man whose opinions heard. Probably, most of the democratic parties of Ukraine would like to see Miroslav Francovich on their lists, but for the most Marynovych success is not measured by the steps of the career ladder. One of the most influential Ukrainians told Politeka of Ukrainian education reforms and that really unites and divides the people of a country.

Miroslav Francovich first met with the KGB in the university years – for criticizing the Soviet policy. In 27 years, Miroslav Marinović has become a founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, and since then has come under constant surveillance. And then – the charges of anti-Soviet agitation and propaganda, imprisonment and exile, 150 days in a punishment cell, and hunger strikes.

This time Miroslav Francovich refers to one of the brightest periods of his life, because that is the conclusion made, according to a human rights activist, as “the man with the backbone.” Regularly refusing all offers to enter parliament, according to its mission involvement in changing the mentality of people and speech to parliament prefers to communicate with young people.

Politeka: Independence, volunteering, united opposition of the enemy Ukrainians, but can we say that we really become one? whether society needs, in your opinion, in the transformations, or the path to unity can be considered passed?

M. Marinovic: We discussed a lot about this in Nestorovskoy group, and came to the conclusion that a nation has already been created, and now it needs to be upgraded. This problem was I could be formulated differently. On the Independence, and especially during the war with Russia, a nation united common problem and a common desire to protect themselves from the enemy. It is a powerful unifying force. But the war end sooner or later – and then what? In other words, we need to rapidly develop a positive concept of a single state, so that the people united around shared values, which are so powerfully voiced Maidan: human dignity, national and religious freedom, the rule of law, public morality and social justice. Public demand for these values ​​is – do not have enough faith in what we can for them to become successful.

Politeka: Ukraine is now going through a very difficult time, which was the legacy of a paternalistic state, in which we have lived for so long. You travel a lot, and, in your opinion, if there is Ukrainians – on both sides of the Dnieper River – a desire to return to a usable form of life as paternalism?

M. Marinovic: Actually, we are from a paternalistic state has not yet emerged. Of course, society has changed significantly compared with Soviet times, but a chronic state management system is not dismantled. We still make the “hole course” repair the old Soviet way. Oligarchic system abuses paternalistic instincts of the population does not develop small and medium-sized businesses – that is, precisely those who overcame a paternalistic stereotypes. Therefore, Ukraine has not yet sounded the march “Farewell of Slav”, but the truth and that we are already very close to this. But regional differences are insignificant, and sometimes in Dnepropetrovsk can be found a more dynamic business elite than in Galicia.

Politeka: In his publications and interviews You’re saying that the Ukrainians are united East and West, they have the same expectations and aspirations. But why, in that case, there is a conflict where the line that divides people?

M. Marinovic: The border does exist, but it is mobile. In the early 1990s, it was held on Zbruch. While in Galicia were intensive processes of ideological and religious restructuring – then point the finger at Galicia as a region with an expressive “inflammation”. Presidential and parliamentary elections later times indicated that this boundary initially approached the Dnieper, then spread through him and to “win” the north of Ukraine. Then he stopped, having fenced off a so-called South East. Today, “inflammation” is precisely in this part of the country. Gone was the homogeneity of the local political orientations, once a single monolith disintegrated into fragments, which are active – in pain and agony – looking for a new identity. Technically, one could say that the occupied territories of the Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk regions just passed a new frontier, but this conclusion may be premature. Nobody spent here independent surveys, and the consequences of the occupation for many may be unexpected. Therefore, we will not jump to conclusions, let us instead build a free and democratic Ukraine – and let God do the rest.

Politeka: Besides the fact that different regions of Ukraine are carriers of different ideologies, they speak at least two languages. Periodically there talk of “non-discrimination of the Russian language.” A striking example – “language law” Kolesnichenko-Kivalov, which could exacerbate the division of society. Euromaidan virtually removed this item from the agenda, but the problem remained. Which can reduce the degree of confrontation and, if possible, remove the language issue? And whether it is necessary Ukraine approved at the state level bilingualism?

M. Marinovic: Model of two state languages ​​in Ukraine is bad, and therefore unacceptable. It is not conducive to the public understanding, but on the contrary, it would be complicating. It’s like that line up on the stadium runners on long distances on the same starting line, ignoring the fact that they then have to run different distances. This ostentatious justice that turns into a lie. Because of the long period Russification Ukrainian language has to “run” at a much greater range and therefore legal handicap should be mandatory for it. But the language problem actually is an instrument of the evil policies when for “bilingualism” the idea of ​​hiding the idea of ​​Russian monolingualism in the already non-Ukrainian state. Moses Fishbein well remarked, saying: “The danger is not in the fact that Russian will become the second state, and that the state would become the second Russian. ” Independence has twice confirmed that when people are equally defend the Ukrainian statehood and dignity, the voltage of the language problem simply disappears.

Politeka: There is much talk about the fact that reforms and promises are not met, does not change anything at all. People are starting to get tired. Do you think that’s what the Ukrainians can cause disappointment in what is happening in the country?

M. Marinovic: The other day I had an interesting conversation with an American who knows the Ukraine. It is not surprising slowness of reforms and maximalism of Ukrainians who want at a time “to jump to Heaven” and not able to see those real changes that are already transforming their lives. Here it harms not just the desire for more and utopian hope that everything can change quickly, and psychological fatigue, if everything does not happen immediately. But the Anglo-Saxons, according to my companion, well aware that the long journey can be overcome only small but successful steps. Therefore, we must believe in the Ukraine, and keep in mind that these steps do not have to “someone in Kiev”, but we ourselves.

Politeka: One way or another, but quite most of the news and conversations are now feykovye. Staged events, rumors, subjectivity (subjectivity especially influential persons), the emotions and the absence of a critical attitude to the news – all these factors affect the information field and, accordingly, those who follow him. We are all aware of the propaganda machine of the Russian Federation, but why produce false Ukrainian opinion leaders, consciously designed it? How to resist the lies?

M. Marinovic: Lie there for as long as humanity exists. This utopia – to think that you can get rid of it. But the feature of present-day time becomes a man’s inability to distinguish between truth and lies – and this is a great danger. Previously, the Soviet regime was forced to put the jammers, because people had enough to hear the voice of the free world – and they recognize the truth. Today, Putin’s regime jammers are not necessary – people already zombified so that it is not able to distinguish truth from falsehood. It is because our goal – to restore to the people the proper value basis, which is able to save the situation.

Politeka: How do you assess the establishment of the Anti-Corruption Bureau? Do I need to lyustrirovat officials stole millions from the budget, or whether they need to be immediately judged?

M. Marinovic: Ukraine must act the rule of law. This means that the abuse of power crime must be punished. The question is how it is, depends on the seriousness of the crime: someone needed lyustrirovat, and someone – a judge. Justice must also be sensitive to genuine repentance and be able to distinguish it from evil justifications “Kolyadniki-judges.”

Politeka: A very important question of education in Ukraine. How do you see Ukrainian higher education in five years? Which universities will remain, which will be closed due to reforms and conscious choice of students? What, in your opinion, should be changed in the system of higher education?

M. Marinovic: This question can not be answered in one sentence. The Soviet system of higher education also powerfully acted paternalism: universities have been selected freedom, instead of the state, “spoon-feed”. With this must be dealt with. Universities should receive tangible autonomy, thus becoming responsible for their status and level of education. You have to be prepared for the fact that to find a new balanced system of European education in Ukraine will not be easy – it takes time and proactive educators. But this way we must go.

Interviewed by Alla Bakr

Sourse, 18/05/2015

Decommunisation laws of Ukraine: it is necessary to go ahead

May 8, 2015

The President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko has to sign laws decommunisation. Indignation of some of the population will, in any case, but can not always look at the past.

This is a comment IA ZIK said human rights activist, journalist, theologian, founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv, Miroslav Marinović.

“I do know that these laws need to sign, implement them and do not look at those who will always cling to the past. We must go forward, “- he stressed.

According to Miroslav Marynovych, Russia spends a lot of money to Ukraine arose public indignation at about decommunisation laws. Thus, a certain part of the population is dissatisfied with the matter, Poroshenko to sign these laws or not.

“I do not exclude that the president waits until May 9. But, anyway, will be provocations. However, without doubt, the law must be signed. We have more than 20 years, we looked at those for whom it may be a trauma. As a result, they not only did not appreciate this gesture, and vice versa – have done everything to “invite” Russia and make us a semblance of civil war, “- said human rights activist.

Recall, April 9 Rada endorsed the draft law “On the condemnation of the Communist and National Socialist (Nazi) totalitarian regimes and ban their symbolism propaganda» (number 2558).

The law defines criminal Communist and Nazi regimes, which have claimed millions of Ukrainians. In Ukraine, introduced the responsibility for advocating Communist and Nazi regimes and the public use of their symbolism.

Production, distribution and use of Communist symbols, anthems of the USSR and the Ukrainian SSR shall be punished by restriction of freedom for up to five years, or imprisonment.

Also established procedures and deadlines for renaming objects that are “communist” name. On the streets of Ukrainian cities will take away the symbols and monuments that glorify the totalitarian regime functionaries.

Sourse, 07/05/2015

About Putin, remains of Soviet thinking and freedom of the nation

April 18, 2015

Vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University (UCU), human rights activist and theologian, founder of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, Miroslav Marinović – one of those people who are considered moral authorities era. He modestly calls himself an optimist, and a happy person, because the Ukraine, for which he has fought since the 70s, gained statehood, independence and freedom in his eyes.

Marinovic sooner became a dissident: 27 years, he was among the founders of the Helsinki Human Rights Group, and a year later for the unauthorized reading from the Kiev Conservatory scene poem Taras Shevchenko Zapovit sent him to seven years in a strict-regime camp and another five years in exile.

Later in his book The Gospel of God’s fool Marinovic he wrote that in the camp, despite all the hardships, it was much easier than, for example, in the Soviet army. Paradoxically, the free people in the USSR, he found behind the barbed wire, and not outside it.

In the 90 Marinovic he engaged in human rights activities, and participated in public life and at the same time repeatedly refused a political career and fame.

Today, 66-year-old theologian engaged in favorite business – working with students and formulates his own deep religious understanding of the processes taking place in Ukraine.

We meet in the main building of UCU in Lviv, in a small room in the attic of the building. In his office, littered with books and pictures, smells good freshly made coffee. Offering a traditional welcome drink Lviv, Marinovic moves closer to the table and plunged into the conversation.

Independence and war – is the next stage of growth in freedom. Naturally, we are facing in this process with growing pains. Dignity revolution gave us national solidarity – people came to the square every man for himself, and returned to the nation area. But we still do not fully understand the freedom and do not know how to use it.

It is a long and difficult process, but we want everything at once, and this results in a talk about the third Maidan. I am sure that in our power to have no enemies of the Ukrainian state, which means that there is no need to revolt. Maidan – that is our freedom, but our democracy. Today we have to learn how to create persistent political groups to defend their interests.

Frequent change of power at the same time should not frighten us. During the test, and government crises are changing rapidly, because people’s needs are changing. For example, in post-war Italy changed its authority every six months, and over the country while laughing the whole of Europe, but it was an important step in achieving the growth of freedom.

Creating a nation for a year, now we have to modernize it. This means to get rid of the Soviet paternalistic management model. The current government until it is difficult for – all they want to do everything to give. But in a country where there is war and ruined the economy it is impossible. You need to let go of people and to be honest we can not provide you, but it will create conditions for you to help yourself.

I am absolutely not afraid of the emergence in Ukraine of several centers of political influence. The main thing is that they did not divide the country issues civilizational choice – between Russia and Europe. And I’m wondering if there are any in popular support for the ex-governor of the Dnipropetrovsk region Igorya Kolomoyskogo all the same manifestations of paternalism: that someone strong solve the problem for us? And maybe the same principle we follow in our European choice? Once the Soviet Union and Russia have discredited themselves, we will go to the EU?

Each time, growing in freedom, we have to ask ourselves these questions. Otherwise, the risk is great to choose Europe, not realizing that we choose.

In vain you think that the Soviet way of thinking only in the east but not in Galicia. For example, garbage lustration – people happily rushed to administer lynch bad officials, throwing them in the trash. And this is after the dignity of the revolution, where we fought against the degradation of man, for the rule of law.

I’m back here in Galicia, say you that our courts do not know? We – the little people, and we did not achieve justice. This is the manifestation of Soviet thinking. We still do not believe in their capabilities, by virtue of the joint action. And because any number we can call ourselves anti-Communist ideology, but to show their business these ideas. Not only grow in freedom, it is important to grow in morality.

The deepest biblical revelation for me: the Promised Land can be attained only when disappear those who remember the taste of slavery in Egypt. I would like to say that we can get rid of the Soviet past, but I can not. In this great and sad lesson for Ukraine. Maidan generation – it is people with different levels of assimilation of freedom, but they appeared only after almost 20 years of independence, and these people are still too few in power. We will have to wait until the grow another generation that will fall behind the current one.

Moses meaning of 40 years in that society begins to speak the same language, see a common goal. And that’s just at this moment the prophet led people to sacred Mount Sinai. Our Sinai is yet to come.

I judge by the way behaves in our leadership, and realize that they are on the brink. People in government understand that they needed to be in power for long, because now it is important to learn in a civilized and responsible to transmit and receive power.

Preferred Position Ukrainians – to be on the side of truth, and all the time to check yourself in it . This makes it possible to survive even in a desperate situation. I remember another young first came to Moscow. Snow-covered town, a powerful imperial grandeur. Then I thought, and I decided to oppose this force? And then I met a well-known dissident General Pyotr Grigorenko and knew I wanted to be a strong and sincere with. And this feeling – that the truth is not outside the Kremlin walls, and these weak, but honest people – gave me the strength and peace of mind even in camps, under threat of death.

During the years of independence, the Russians lost the ability to distinguish between good and evil. Remember, in the Soviet era in the way of information from the West to the Soviet listeners were “jammers”? But people still understand intuitively what is true. And now “jammers” No, but it destroyed the propaganda value of any information. All deep archaic instincts – blood, revenge, death – are used to deprive people of the ability to distinguish good. This is the biggest tragedy.

Previously, the Russians were capable of empathy. But in Soviet times there was a rigidity, anger and slavish submission. Man looking like themselves justify, and therefore shows the hatred of those who are the cause of his own weakness. The fact that the Russians now do not like the Ukrainians and believe the propaganda, there is this component, “Look, they escaped, got rid of their king, and we can not.” This humiliation is transformed into hatred, and sends them to war.

Putin in this war can only be stopped by force. If Ukraine has received a lethal weapon, it would be a red line. The Kremlin would have realized that further means war situation can not be controlled. On the other hand, I have the feeling that God has given us today this fragile truce balance that we find non-obvious response to the situation. After each party, acting in its own logic, leads humanity to a third world war. How to prevent this? Where is this unusual time? Perhaps, in this dispensation for Ukraine – to escape, finding a solution?

I understand very well Hope Savchenko, her hunger strike – is a way to stay human. She, like Gogol’s hero, must outline the circle around itself, so that no evil force there has not penetrated, and the hunger strike she did. I and many of my comrades, starving in the camps were well aware that the so-totalitarian power never win. But to put a barrier between you and the power, for which you are a grain of sand – to prisoner of conscience is an important point.

Protection of human rights and the Christian faith does not get along very harmoniously in me. But the issue of choice, I do not take tragic. I do not remember any stage of his life, where such a choice would not exist. It is important not to destroy the main principle of faith – the love of God through the love of a man. If I give the privilege doctrine, injuring a person, it is wrong. But at the same time, I will always look for an opportunity to hold doctrines, without harming the person – it’s my Christian mission.

5 questions Miroslav Marinović:

– An event that you consider important in your life?

– The decision to join the Ukrainian Helsinki Group.

– What is your favorite city?

– I love the Lions, and I feel good and comfortable in Kiev. It is a city that I was saying goodbye from the car windows, taking me to the camp. And there Drohobych – the city of my childhood.

– What do you get around the city?

– Before the tram, and now because of old age to and from work gives me a university car.

– What is your monthly cost of living?

– Honestly, I do not even use all of his salary. My wife and I help a lot of relatives and friends, to circumvent minimum requirements. I think today that at least 6-8 thousand. UAH.

– What do you seek?

– I was a little worried about career, I feel very comfortable, Vice-Rector and never wanted to be a rector or a politician. More important to me not to make a career, but to be on the good side.

Sourse, 17/04/2015

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It should not be ruled out that violence, terrorist attacks and killings will become the new law of life

December 21, 2016

After the analysis of the terrible events in Aleppo, the world’s terrorist attacks and demonstration killings, it appears that the main and perhaps the main argument of the modern world has become violent.

Violence was originally the shadow of a human life, it is inherent in human nature. Remember his first manifestation – the murder of Abel by Cain. Even then, it is harmoniously entered the life of the world and became co-exist with humans.

Another thing – there have been ebbs and flows of violence. Thus, a positive period of the postwar period was after the Second World War, when humanity said to myself: «newer again» (never again – trans.). Then the world was set up to ensure that never again allow a military nightmare. Then he took a major turning point, which I appreciate as a category of zero-sum and added value.

That is, the principle of zero-sum – is “an eye for an eye,” or “I won and you lost.” It’s a formula that involves violence basis. In turn, the principle of value added – is the principle of cooperation (for the participants get more on cooperation than on the single).

After the war, European civilization adopted the principles of added value and pushed all the antagonisms that have been in Europe before. It seemed forever pushed. But it so happened, as we would.

“With a light hand,” Putin’s violence is back in our lives.

The Russian president has decided to turn the chessboard and make Europe a new force redivision of the world. Unfortunately, this principle has become contagious: many nations become agitated and began to act selfishly, not as agreed earlier.

Of course, in this situation, a lot of the blame lies with the Brussels bureaucracy as cooperation formula, which they offer, often does not satisfy the people. Therefore, the “fashion” to force to resolve the problems returned. Therefore, we should not exclude that violence, acts of terror and murder will become the new law of life.

And it gives me a great disappointment, because I thought that humanity has become much wiser.

Sourse, 20/12/2017

Let’s change the rules of the game and become successful, otherwise we devour Bolshevik mood

November 12, 2016

November 10-11 in Lviv hosts international congress of dissidents and II Crimean forum. The event is timed to the 40th anniversary of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group – association of human rights defenders, who fought against human rights violations in the Soviet Union. Talk about Congress dissidents to one of its organizers – co-founder of UHG, dissident, pro-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University Miroslavom Marinovichem.

In Ukraine, there is a possibility of a new Maidan, but such an event – it is the will of the Holy Spirit, not man. Such an opinion in an interview with «LB.ua» stated Miroslav Marinović.

“The threat is there, but I still want to believe in the natural intuition of Ukrainians. And secondly, I believe that the Maidan – the will of the Holy Spirit, not man. Here Mustafa Nye wrote in Facebook «come to the Maidan,” and people came. Well, now let write … And nothing will happen. See, it’s not because Nye wrote, “- said Marinovic.

He added that Ukraine is on the verge of great changes.

“I really believed that the second Maidan will be the last, after which everything goes forward. Now I see what is not. After such a huge edifice, as the Ukraine, it is difficult to change. A huge car you can not turn as “Zaporozhets”. I believe there will be more ups, only ask God that they were not violent. We had two successful Maidana (we done to them, that’s another issue). But they were successful, because it was the right thing. When there is violence – forget about the support of the Holy Spirit “- Marinovic said.

However, he expressed confidence that the union dissidents in Ukraine in any organization or party is unrealistic.

“This is absolutely unrealistic, and reminds me of the traditional reproach to the initiative group of the First of December -” You are, do some treatment, but why do not you take to work? Why will not the political organization, the party? Young will help you. ” No! It is older people who barely make themselves come to the meeting, and that is not all. This is impossible even to speak. Among them are many weak “- Marinovic said.

Sourse, 11/11/2016

While suffering in the camps, I believe the grace of God

April 15, 2016

Vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv, a founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, Miroslav Marinović told why he was grateful to the Soviet camp, what Putin’s weakness, and why we can not allow a third Maidan – Maidan revenge.

– In your biography there is an interesting fact: in February 1987, while in exile in Kazakhstan, you have refused to petition for clemency. Why?

– In 1987, Gorbachev had to somehow solve the problem of political prisoners. This issue has been a thorn in its relations with the West, and he wanted to get rid of it. But it was necessary to do it nicely, to present everything as “workers’ request.” Therefore, the delegation traveled to the ends of the Union, to persuade people to write letters about his repentance. In this case, the chance to go free were very high.

But when to me was such a delegation, I did not yet know. It looked like this: I came to a group of prosecutors, government officials, the KGB officers, who say: “Write an application, and you immediately released.” I laughed and said: “Listen, I have not written this statement at the beginning of his term, when well understood that if I write, I would be freed That is, I could never sit whole life And now, when I two years of exile left.. you want to buy me in the same sentence – write and you will be released, I will not write anything, all right? “.

And they ask: “Would you please give a written denial?” I was surprised, shrugged his shoulders and say, of course. And he wrote, why can not file a petition for clemency. As it turned out, it was important to get a piece of paper. “Received a letter.” My failure as failures of other dissidents who were perceived as referring to the system.

Later, I was very surprised to learn that at about the same situation was, and the patriarch Joseph Blind – and this despite the fact that he was a prisoner to the other, the Stalinist era. He also asked to state their refusal in writing, which he did. KGB methods do not change.

– Time passes, and the system does not change?

– Rapidly changing external signs, ideology, but the essence remains the lowlands. And selective justice Yanukovych – a selective Soviet justice.

And what it cost to provide medical care in the camps: if you serve the system – you will be treated if you struggle with the system – you may, for example, to open the seal, put there arsenic, and then leave and not to return to the seal closed. And this is only a small bar.

And what about the case where the doctor refused to provide medical assistance to the Russian poet Viktor Nekipelov because in addition to the chest was a cross. He was in a very serious condition, and I gave him a pectoral cross. Victor was grateful to me. A doctor came – and recoiled simply: “No, let him heal you, and I will not be treated.” The name of that “Aesculapius” Pchelnikov. He, I think, would be sitting in the dock during the Nuremberg-2, if there was such a tribunal.

– In one of your speeches you talked about the fact that all crises – economic, political – one source – the human spirit crisis. I have to say is now appropriate that the peak of the crisis on the Ukrainian society is left behind?

– No, the crisis continues to grow. Ukrainian society has made very important things – I’m talking about the Maidan. I highly appreciate the spiritual significance of the Maidan. But in Ukrainian history as it was before: we are much easier to fight for the values ​​than to live in accordance with them.

I remember how impressed Maidan. If you ended up in paradise, where you love everyone and everything – you, and you are convinced of this. You can come to anyone, to say a few words and get an incredible dose of love, care, all the light. On the Independence it was possible, and then they returned to the usual system of coordinates. Many on itself felt, as when “one is a warrior” – about how to steal and steal as demanded bribes and demand, perhaps now even in larger sizes. Evil has become very aggressive. It feels like it is coming to an end.

So we need that there be at least a small group of people, who said: we do not care, we win the election or not, it is important to bring the public a new model of behavior and to implement this model by their actions, deeds and decisions. Only then can we say that the crisis had passed.

– What is missing for the emergence of such a group?

– If you think spiritual category, lacking confidence in each other. And if sociologically-public, we do not lack the solidarity in familiar circumstances. We know how to be united on the Maidan. But under normal circumstances, when you are surrounded by wicked people like to be in solidarity? We see the blackness of each, and people see our blackness.

This is our weakness and a problem: we are ready to live in solidarity, but only with perfect people. And sinners be solidarity we can not, and they therefore do not know how. Vicious circle. We expect a saint, as a result of wallowing in a wicked whirlpool. It is a spiritual problem.

– How to solve it?

– We are all sinners by definition. Lord hopes that realizing it, we can find a way to trust, mutual respect and understanding.

– By the way, of understanding. Commenting on the recent incident with the prohibition of LGBT festival, US ambassador Dzheffri Payett stated that “intolerance in Lviv contradict European future, for which so many Ukrainians have sacrificed.” Why do local authorities and the LGBT community has not been able to meet each other?

– My personal opinion is that what happened in Lviv, was generously paid provocation. The organizers of this event, which, incidentally, were not from the city, deliberately going to the conflict. Looking at those who broke them, too, you can see the elements of the order. Someone needed picture anti-European Lviv to the Dutch referendum, the answer was “no.”

However, I do not want to downplay the issue, saying that in Ukraine and particularly in Lviv, everyone loves the LGBT community. No. It is one thing to fight for their rights, and the other – to show their identity so as to cause a sharp rejection of the religious people.

What purpose was the organizers? Teach tolerance of the community? If they have such a purpose for this would need no gay parades and labor helotic work to convey the idea that we are all different, each with its own identity, respectively, for all of us to live in peace.

And in this particular case, I saw a lot of wickedness, provoking pride.

– Now Ukrainians attention again focused on the struggle for the premiership. In your opinion: Is a change for the better in castling?

– I do not rule out any positive effects. It would be irresponsible to deny a priori any possible positive side castling. People are trying, people want to make a difference – let me be.

What I do not believe – is that the current team of deputies and government officials in Ukraine is ready to make a radical change in the system. I do not believe it, even being on the Maidan, seen in front of the then opposition parties that were in power today. I am grateful for the fact that they kept the Ukraine, saved her from the abyss that opened up in front of her. Honor and praise them.

But Ukraine can change only when clearly realize that this system is incorrect. A current and a government and the presidential team – people who want to save Ukraine from the old system means.

Acting by the old methods, it is possible to temporarily prevent the fall of Ukraine, but radically change the country will not work. The reforms that have been adopted, remind me of the old road patching. Something patched where it became easier to drive. But I can smell the scent of the old Soviet way, on which we are still going. In order to build a new one, you need to act radically: remove the layer completely and give a new foundation. And on it – a new canvas.

– One day, recalling the resilience and courage of Hope Savchenko, you said that “dictators are afraid more than we: it is learned all political prisoners times the resistance movement.” Can we assume that under the pressure of his fear dictator Kremlin’s prisoner release to freedom?

– The fact is that if he was spiritually strong and confident, it would long ago have released it. Strong people are not afraid that they will think about, they make decisions when they dictates of conscience.

Vladimir Putin is weak and a notorious man. It does not find the reason, the reasons for the order to release the Hope, a disaster. I’m not talking about the fact that this system does not like to let go of people. Situation, when the Soviet or kvazisovetskaya, that is the Russian system to let their victims, are unique.

– In one interview you recall that the main purpose of your conclusion at the time, and after him, was not embittered. On or in the whole world?

– This is the interrelated things. Not angry with their abusers, we can reformulate. Do not live thinking about how to take revenge. It is important. It’s one thing when you’re living with the idea of ​​justice, to restore order. Hatred, anger, negative feelings for that you do not need. You light think about how you can correct the situation.

If you think about revenge, hatred is the inevitable companion. And then you will only think about the wrongs that have been in the past. It dooms walk with his head turned in the past, not the future. I do not want it at all. I want to look to the future.

Frankly, while suffering in the camps, I believe the grace of God. Yes, it was necessary to receive calls of destiny. Yes, I stood on the brink of life and death. But it has made me a different person, I have appeared “backbone” changed world.

God never takes away from everything human. Something takes, but then bestows great. A person who is able to see it, never want to take revenge on instruments that God used.

– The war, which continues to the east – one more test. How long will our society to stop dividing people into “us”, “alien”, “Lviv”, “Donetsk”, “Kiev”?

– If we come out of a sense of revenge, then all of this will be delayed for a long time, and who knows, will there ever be peace in Ukraine.

But I can imagine a situation in which it is the regions that today cause us indignation and some malice, in certain circumstances, can become engines of development of Ukraine.

Давайте представим: справедливость восторжествовала — Крым возвращается Украине. Но возвращается он в руки не украинских чиновников, которые отчасти в ответе за сложившуюся ситуацию, а в руки настоящих хозяев этой земли — крымских татар. Я бывал в Крыму и посещал кофейни, дома, принадлежащие крымским татарам. Это же была ляля! Они так любят эту землю, что никогда не смогут ей навредить. Только те, у кого нет кровной привязанности, способны на то, что сейчас делает этническое российское или русскоязычное население. Эту землю, будь она отдана крымским татарам, мы бы не узнали. Они бы превратили её в сад.

Similarly, with the Donetsk team. I remember how during the reign of Yanukovych, I concluded: his countrymen – very dynamic, ambitious, nelenivyh people. The only negative – the wrong value basis. In a short span of time they impose on Ukraine exactly the diabolical, irregular basis.

But we put this dynamism on the right spiritual foundation, they would become the locomotive of Ukraine.

– To do this, we need reforms in education?

– In education, too. But education – this decade. And I say that we need a rebirth now. Today’s young people, in a sense, already formed. I am very much looking forward to from her, because she is not a carrier of stereotypes, the older generation.

But we still do not know how to use it. Where young people now? Where her voice in decision-making in our country? Everything is decided by adult uncle, who pushed the young people even during the Maidan, although it actually began with the youth.

This is the first generation that is not the generation of “homo Sovieticus” it will declare itself decisive action – and only then we will change.

Despite the huge number of enthusiasts during the first Maidan representatives of the new generation have not been able to express themselves. But they did it in the second, they – the second generation of the Maidan.

– Can we say that the second Maidan turned out better than the first?

– They won, so I am convinced that from this point of view, were both successful. Speaking of failure or failure, we have in mind the political consequences. But the Ukrainian Maidan were not political revolutions – it is first of all spiritual phenomena. See the spiritual changes more difficult, political – it is easier. The latter really is not enough.

Maidan The aim was to change not just the political parameters and the mentality of the vast country, of all people, from head to toe.

Some animals change their skin all at once – and Ukraine. It seemed at one point, several efforts trying this old skin to relieve himself.

This is a global change, I can only be compared with the adoption of Christianity in Russia. And living as if the “inside” of transformation, of course, it seems that “all is lost”. I am an optimist who sees the huge potential of the Ukrainian people. I was delighted with the words British expert Sherry: “Ukraine – a country with a weak state and strong civil society in Russia – a country with a strong state and a weak civil society.”.

But we still demand: “We want a strong state, as in Russia!” He will not have this. We have a different nature, we the civil society on the other spiritual foundation is necessary to put. Then the government will have to reckon with the civil society.

– How do you feel, whether the third Maidan?

– I’m afraid to call it the third Maidan, because I always hear: “Third Independence – Independence of revenge.”

I do not want revenge Maidan. I want a spiritual phenomenon. We need one more push to throw off the old skin.

– What books have impressed you so much that you are advised to read them?

– You probably expect that will call the name of a Western intellectual who writes about unlocking the meaning of life. And I find it in the Bible. I do not say, of course, you need only read it. But in this book you can always see something new. Such continuous dialogue with me and the book Mary Valltorta “Bogocholovіk”.

Shevchenko is now urgent as ever. Take now “Kobzarik” open – yes, he yells about what is happening.

Ukraine need solidarity? Read “The Three Musketeers,” Dumas. There is love, friendship, and support – all that is so necessary to us today. None of intellectual research has not made such an impression on me, as this book.

– Whom Ukrainian society should be grateful for a human rights defender and journalist Miroslav Marynovych? Who shaped you as a person?

– First of all, his mother and sister. They were my support, formed the world, given the spiritual basis of life. And yet this fellow dissidents and their relatives. I think of these people as the door closed prison cell, and I was left alone. Already there was no one to help me, not to anyone was to play the role. Nevertheless, I always thought of them, those who remained behind the scenes, and I knew I could not let them blame me for some things.

Many of these people are no longer alive. I remember them with great gratitude and thank God for what they have been in my life.

Interviewed by Anna Sinyaschik

Miroslav Marinović – dissident, human rights activist, journalist, theologian, founder of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, the organizer of amnisterskogo movement in Ukraine, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv, a member of the initiative group “First of December” and Nestorovskoy group

Sourse, 14/04/2016

The Catholic Church for the sake of ephemeral “dialogue with Moscow” missed the truth

February 15, 2016

The meeting of the Pope and the Patriarch of Moscow found epochal failures Vatican diplomats who can not look out into the real world, says Miroslav Marinović, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University, a former political prisoner, a Ukrainian human rights activist and founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group.

“Dad had an opportunity to defend the interests of the offended Russian aggression had but did not use it.”, – notes Marinovic in his article in the “Ukrainian Truth”.

He is convinced that the Cuban declaration two primates is designed so that about Russia it refers to as a region, “an unprecedented revival of the Christian faith”, where there is the opportunity to “practice their religion freely,” while the alarm appears only when it comes to other countries.

“The Cuban declaration of the Pope and the Patriarch of Moscow is a vivid illustration of several things: the indisputable victory of the FSB and the Kremlin, with all their obedient tools, to which I refer, and the Russian Orthodox Church, and the total defeat of Ukrainian public diplomacy at the Vatican and the apparent lack of it Information Service by the UGCC; helpless blindness and incompetence of the Vatican diplomacy, which is easy to confuse peaceful lexicon; and alarming failure of influential circles of Europe decode deceitful formulas Putin’s propaganda “- Marinovic said.

“That’s why I have a pain conclude on the issue of Ukraine and the Russian Catholic Church for the sake of ephemeral” dialogue with Moscow “once again missed with the truth”, – he stressed.

Joint Declaration of Pope Francis and the head of the Russian Orthodox Church Kirill (Gundyaeva) was signed at the airport in Havana February 12. Ukrainian translation posted on the site, “Vatican Radio”. The Russian version – on the site of the ROC.

Sourse, 14/02/2016

Maidan-2016 in Ukraine, is it real?

January 5, 2016

Ukraine needs to develop, rather than return to a state of Kuchma’s regime. This was stated by Ukrainian human rights activist and founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University Myroslav Marinovic.

According to him, a stalemate has to be resolved in 2016, has evolved in the Ukrainian parliament.

“I have a feeling that, in political terms, was fastened a knot that can not be cut. The main war, which implicitly is in Ukraine, a war between the oligarchs and the people reform society, who want to implement the mandate received from the Maidan. This is a power struggle, I think, in 2016 resolved “, – said the expert.

According to founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, in 2016 we should not exclude the possibility of protests.

“The government must listen to the voice of society, sounded very drastic way. But I am opposed to emotional appeals, figuratively speaking, “all on the forks.” I want this government was a political alternative, but in a democratic sense of the word. Ukraine needs to develop, rather than return to a state of Kuchma’s regime, “- says human rights activist.

At the same time, Miroslav Marinović does not believe in “the third Maidan-2016.”

“Politically there is no alternative. All these radicals such as Lyashko – is not an option. This emotion, beyond which you should not clear Ukraine’s reform program. So I would be very worried if the third Maidan seized power radicals that can destroy, but can not create anything meaningful, “- concluded Marinovic.

Sourse, 04/01/2016

Not convicted crimes comes back

September 22, 2015

Seven years in the camps and five years in exile – as Miroslav Marinović has received from the Soviet government for what was one of the founders of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group. He says he lived behind bars spiritually rich, richer lives, than it is now. Dissident and human rights activist, member of the initiative “First of December”, the vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University has recently entered into a three of the major moral authorities of Ukraine according to the magazine “New Era”. During the discussion, “Lessons of History” in Lviv Mr Marinovic spoke about the main dilemma of the Soviet era, which again becomes relevant.

– It is a struggle between the instinct of self-preservation ( “not put out because srezhut”) and the voice of conscience, the natural human desire to do good that is given to him at birth. In Soviet times, this struggle gave rise to two types of personality. The first type – people who completely obey the instinct of self-preservation – the so-called homo soveticus. People willing to hide in a crack, to protect themselves from evil. The second type – the people that won the voice of conscience, and who became dissidents and joined the resistance movement.

error dissidents

This dilemma is returned. She, like Halley’s comet, which rotates around the sun, sometimes approaching Earth. Only every new generation, every era attaches to this dilemma the new parameters. Today, it is relevant for Ukraine, and for the world. On the one hand – a security issue: how to prevent World War III? How not to annoy Putin, that he did not destroy Ukraine? And on the other, how to protect the values ​​that underpin human civilization, for which twice went Maidan? Again a struggle between the instinct of self-preservation and the call of morality.

The main reason that this dilemma is returned, is that we are not condemned the crimes of communism, not expiated his sin. Partial responsibility for this lies with the dissidents.

In the early ’90s we did not want to carry out a new Nuremberg trial. It was important not to punish past and make a new social contract. The crimes of the communist regime, it seemed to me so obvious that the Communists themselves are aware of them and want to live a new life. I compared the crimes of communism with the crime of Cain, which, as we know from the Bible, is subject only to the judgment of God. It believed that if we manage to overcome the spiritual communism, we will be able to do without formal legal judgment. That was a mistake.

communist crime turned Kuchma crimes period, a symbol which is Georgiy Gongadze. Crimes Kuchma period were not, despite the slogan of “bandits – the prison,” convicted after the Orange Revolution. Political prisoners soon became political opponents and chase them was impossible. Consequently, crimes Yanukovych Kuchma period turned into crimes, which also are still not punished and condemned. Still there are untouchables, those people that for reasons of political expediency is still justice.

error in Europe

War of 1939 started two world monster – the Nazi regime in Germany and the communist Soviet regime. They began this deadly tango together, and then one of them turned their weapons against the other, and they came together in battle.

Soviet troops invaded Finland – this is definitely the culprit. And the very soldiers deploying weapons against the Nazis, became a conquering hero. This dual role of the Soviet Union in World War II – the role of the forces started the war itself it victoriously completed – are now involves much confusion.

According to West, suffering and heroism in the “Soviet people” during the war, give a moral right not to look into the crimes of the Gulag, not to think of Stalin’s purges. So we have a double standard in the treatment of the crimes of those times. The world heard the screams of people being tortured in the cellars of the Gestapo, but heard cries of tortured NKVD.

Timothy Snyder wrote that there is a difference in the historical memory of Western and Eastern Europe. East has experienced in the twentieth century two terrible totalitarian regime, and the West must recognize and rethink it. Victory over nazism should not close our eyes to the other side of the Soviet regime – criminal. “Can a prisoner who died in Vorkuta, to be happy, that died in Dachau?” – he wrote the Polish philosopher Leszek Kolakowski.

After the fall of the Third Reich in Germany held a hearing. After the fall of the Polish People’s Republic Voytseh Yaruzelsky also appeared before the court, though he was promised immunity. However, in the early 90’s the Germans tried to convince me: “Do not do Nuremberg-2, it is not necessary!”. Even more than once at the German-Ukrainian readings – and this was the time when Viktor Yushchenko finally raised to the national level the issue of Holodomor – the whole German delegation attacked the Ukrainians: “What are you doing Why raise this topic it not? realize that it mocks Russia, you’ll have new challenges? “.

So, the rule of law has worked in Europe, but she tried to block or at least delay a similar process in the post-Soviet space. These delays have led to what is already current generation must pay the price for the communist crimes. It seems to me that Heavenly hundreds, and soldiers killed at the front – the victim of what communism was not convicted in a timely manner. And part of the responsibility for what is happening today in Ukraine is on Europe.

Sourse, 21/09/2015

The formula of struggle

August 22, 2015

As a dissident Miroslav Marinović, who was convicted by a Soviet court for lying and anti-Soviet propaganda, it became one of the most influential people in today’s Ukraine and the head of one of the best universities.

In the Perm prison, a group of prisoners as a heated argument with a supervisor. Parties clearly do not find a common language. And then passed them prisoner. “Oh, so he will not lie! Come, please!” – refers to the prisoner overseer Miroslav Marinović. The irony lies in the fact that the Ukrainian dissident who had the reputation in prison honest and uncompromising man was sentenced for lying and anti-Soviet agitation.

Marinovic, known as an anti-Soviet, Soviet special services and a cheat, really would lie not. Being on the side of truth – his credo. Since the end of 1960 – even from his student years – the principles of life and a heightened sense of justice forced him to defend the rights in a regulated framework of the Soviet regime the country.

he said that even in the most terrible moments when he thought he was dying, never regretted his position. “Good does not win every battle, but winning the war – now says Marinovic – This perspective was in me from the beginning. I’ll be on the side of good, even if I lose.”

Now Marinovic stands good in the Ukrainian Catholic University (UCU), which is cited as the most progressive universities in the country. He – the permanent vice-rector of the institution, which is just 13 years of existence, has become one of the best sites for the training of journalists and business executives. According to international research firm Hay Group, UCU among the top five Ukrainian universities, whose popularity is growing rapidly.

In addition, the dissident works in the so-called Nestorovskoy group that develops after euromaidan vision of Ukraine’s mission. The document, which happens as a result, will form the basis of the country strategy. A similar experience in intellectual is already there: in the early 2000s, he developed a similar document for the city, which as a result has helped him become one of the most successful Russian cities.

The right to the word

At the time of the conclusion – seven years in prison and five years of exile – Marinovic was only 27 years old. By the time he has already weighed in dissident circles of Ukraine, as well as an impressive list of sins in the folder of the KGB investigators.

Collect dirt on the young Ukrainian nationalist state security began in the years of his studies at the Lviv Polytechnic, where he had the imprudence to criticize the Soviet system. The first serious warning Marinovic was in 1973, when with friends laid flowers at the monument to Taras Shevchenko in Kiev. “Crime” was that he paid tribute to the officially recognized poet, who died in Russia, on May 22 – the day of his reburial in Ukraine. The commemoration of that date, the Soviet secret service was considered a manifestation of nationalism.

With Shevchenko linked another case, glorified Marynovych far outside dissident circles. In 1976, he and his friend Nikolay Matusevich during the celebration of another anniversary of the day Shevchenko’s birth, which took place in the Kiev Philharmonic, took the stage and sang Zapovit. The official program, which consisted of songs about “how good to live in a Soviet country,” and read the diary of Shevchenko in Russian, the main product of Ukrainian poet not included.

“The evening was held in Russian, and it was a slap in the face to all Ukrainian,” – explains our original Marinovic indignation: he just could not tolerate such abuse. After leaving the stage, he is a bit made secure by saying that Zapovit Shevchenko loved to Vladimir Lenin. However, the safety net has not helped. When he began to play the piano, one who arranges concerts shouted: “The concert is over!” But the audience picked up Zapovit, and when turned off the light, began to sing louder.

“It was a complete defeat of those who ran and screamed that the concert is over,” – says Marinovic.

When it was over, out of the Philharmonic Friends feared, besides the entrance stood a car, and they assumed that it sit gebisty. But right there were people who came to the concert. They surrounded the brave men and conducted to the subway.

Then the KGB Marynovych not touched. “I’m happy to have been involved in at this point – he speaks of those events is now -. Such gestures have to be among the nations, they must be equal to the Ukrainians, because it maintains people in some valuable positions, gives examples of courage.”

Arrested a young dissident in 1977. “Early in the morning the doorbell rang insistently, – recalls the day the arrest of Tamil Matusevich, the sister of his best friend Marynovych, in the apartment where they lived then -. At first, we did not open, because they understood who came, but they rang and rang.”

To arrest he was ready. By the time Marinovic was already six months in the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, human rights activities. Then there was only ten brave men who gathered evidence of violations of the rights of compatriots and tried to establish the accreditation of foreign journalists in Kyiv.

“It was the dethronement of the Soviet myth, in which millions of people believed in the west, – says about the activities of the Helsinki Group Iosif Zisels, dissident, who was also a member -. We have shown that beautiful façade lying behind him – blood and crime.”

However, the Soviet court interpreted these activities under the anti-Soviet agitation and propaganda and denounced Marynovych the maximum sentence – seven years in prison.

In the camp among the political, he quickly began to enjoy prestige, says Oles Shevchenko, who was imprisoned with Marinovic (later was a member of the Verkhovna Rada of I convocation), “came to him, to solve a conflict, difficult situation or just for advice” .

Shevchenko recalls the joint celebration of Easter in 1981. On the eve of the guards warned the prisoners that the religious rite forbidden. “But we brought bread from the dining room, and in the barracks we had jam and sunflower oil – says Shevchenko -. Of these, we blinded the passover.” For this freedom of all prisoners then sent to a punishment cell.

However Marinovic not silent: he wrote a letter to the Pope on violations of the rights of believers in Soviet prisons. “Write it was impossible, so he” wrote “his head – says Shevchenko -. And then transferred to the paper and handed it to chance.”

Surprisingly, Marynovych letter to the pontiff came, and he even held a prayer service in support of Soviet political prisoners.

Varlam Shalamov, the last Stalinist camps, wrote about them as a place where the “dehumanization”. Marinovic, on the other hand, recalls his life behind barbed wire as a time of intense spiritual growth. Firstly, in the camp, he said, he had gathered a brilliant intellectual society, including writers Nikolai Rudenko and Eugene Sverstyuk poet Zenoviy Krasivskaya.

Under their influence Marinovic started writing poems in prison, and prepared a book of the Gospel of God’s fool, who released after release. Now he argues that it is in detention found faith in God.

God willing

Return Marynovych to Ukraine coincided with the beginning of perestroika. Then he began to study theology. First there were articles on inter-church peacefulness in the newspaper of the city of Drohobych, where he settled after the conclusion. “The end of the ’80s – it was a time of religious conflicts, – he explains the choice of the theme -. I have suffered from it, I saw it absurd, unwise and unpatriotic, prejudicial to the independence of Ukraine.”

Marynovych later invited to read lectures about the history of religion in Drohobych Pedagogical University. But after studying the course of history of religion in the United States, he established and headed the Institute of Religion and Society at the Lviv Theological Academy.

In parallel, he begins to work in the department of Ukrainian Association of Amnesty International and shrugs off suggestions go into politics – he repeatedly offered to run for the MPs. Marynovych not even managed to persuade his friend, Vyacheslav Chornovil, a dissident and political prisoner, and later – the founder of the People’s Movement of Ukraine.

Now Marinovic busy that loves – scientific work at UCU. Lectures, he does not read, but from time to time speaks to students with special inspiring “sermons”. “He – our living conscience, – said Otar Dovzhenko, a journalist and professor of journalism of the university -. His presence will ensure that the Criminal Code there is no corruption, no gotchas.”

When Marinovic UCU has become one of the most dynamic universities in the country – it is constantly evolving, says journalist and media expert Evgeny Hlibovytsky, worked with Marinovic first in Univskoy group, which developed the vision of Lvov, and now – in Nestorovskoy group, which is working on a strategic vision of Ukraine.

“The group Univskoy he did an unimaginable amount of work, – enthusiastically tells Hlibovytsky -. And such a man of his status can be neglected is his religious setting Marinovic did not want to practice arrogance…”

Many familiar with it people talk about his amazing honesty and inner freedom. And talking to HB, Marinovic remembered the story of how the nearly renounced his beliefs. It was in Kiev in the early ’70s. Young Marinovic a long time could not get a job because of the intervention of the KGB. Once he was an acquaintance invited to try on a prestigious location – the editorial board of the Soviet Ukrainian Encyclopedia.

“And I’m going to an interview and say to myself, in a whisper, that if I would take on the job, May 22 at the monument to Shevchenko will not go” – is now recognized Marinovic.

He is now with shame recalls the case and adds that it is convinced that no compromise will not survive – a characteristic feature of the Soviet man. This way of thinking is still working, and that he is the reason that the country can not change radically, he says in the conclusion of the conversation. The problem of the fate of the country today for Marynovych – the most important.

Sourse, 21/08/2015

About Ukrainian education reforms and things which really unites and divides the people of one country

May 19, 2015

Miroslav Marinović, Ukrainian human rights activist and scholar of religion, founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group and organizer amnisterskogo movement in Ukraine, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv. A man whose opinions heard. Probably, most of the democratic parties of Ukraine would like to see Miroslav Francovich on their lists, but for the most Marynovych success is not measured by the steps of the career ladder. One of the most influential Ukrainians told Politeka of Ukrainian education reforms and that really unites and divides the people of a country.

Miroslav Francovich first met with the KGB in the university years – for criticizing the Soviet policy. In 27 years, Miroslav Marinović has become a founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, and since then has come under constant surveillance. And then – the charges of anti-Soviet agitation and propaganda, imprisonment and exile, 150 days in a punishment cell, and hunger strikes.

This time Miroslav Francovich refers to one of the brightest periods of his life, because that is the conclusion made, according to a human rights activist, as “the man with the backbone.” Regularly refusing all offers to enter parliament, according to its mission involvement in changing the mentality of people and speech to parliament prefers to communicate with young people.

Politeka: Independence, volunteering, united opposition of the enemy Ukrainians, but can we say that we really become one? whether society needs, in your opinion, in the transformations, or the path to unity can be considered passed?

M. Marinovic: We discussed a lot about this in Nestorovskoy group, and came to the conclusion that a nation has already been created, and now it needs to be upgraded. This problem was I could be formulated differently. On the Independence, and especially during the war with Russia, a nation united common problem and a common desire to protect themselves from the enemy. It is a powerful unifying force. But the war end sooner or later – and then what? In other words, we need to rapidly develop a positive concept of a single state, so that the people united around shared values, which are so powerfully voiced Maidan: human dignity, national and religious freedom, the rule of law, public morality and social justice. Public demand for these values ​​is – do not have enough faith in what we can for them to become successful.

Politeka: Ukraine is now going through a very difficult time, which was the legacy of a paternalistic state, in which we have lived for so long. You travel a lot, and, in your opinion, if there is Ukrainians – on both sides of the Dnieper River – a desire to return to a usable form of life as paternalism?

M. Marinovic: Actually, we are from a paternalistic state has not yet emerged. Of course, society has changed significantly compared with Soviet times, but a chronic state management system is not dismantled. We still make the “hole course” repair the old Soviet way. Oligarchic system abuses paternalistic instincts of the population does not develop small and medium-sized businesses – that is, precisely those who overcame a paternalistic stereotypes. Therefore, Ukraine has not yet sounded the march “Farewell of Slav”, but the truth and that we are already very close to this. But regional differences are insignificant, and sometimes in Dnepropetrovsk can be found a more dynamic business elite than in Galicia.

Politeka: In his publications and interviews You’re saying that the Ukrainians are united East and West, they have the same expectations and aspirations. But why, in that case, there is a conflict where the line that divides people?

M. Marinovic: The border does exist, but it is mobile. In the early 1990s, it was held on Zbruch. While in Galicia were intensive processes of ideological and religious restructuring – then point the finger at Galicia as a region with an expressive “inflammation”. Presidential and parliamentary elections later times indicated that this boundary initially approached the Dnieper, then spread through him and to “win” the north of Ukraine. Then he stopped, having fenced off a so-called South East. Today, “inflammation” is precisely in this part of the country. Gone was the homogeneity of the local political orientations, once a single monolith disintegrated into fragments, which are active – in pain and agony – looking for a new identity. Technically, one could say that the occupied territories of the Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk regions just passed a new frontier, but this conclusion may be premature. Nobody spent here independent surveys, and the consequences of the occupation for many may be unexpected. Therefore, we will not jump to conclusions, let us instead build a free and democratic Ukraine – and let God do the rest.

Politeka: Besides the fact that different regions of Ukraine are carriers of different ideologies, they speak at least two languages. Periodically there talk of “non-discrimination of the Russian language.” A striking example – “language law” Kolesnichenko-Kivalov, which could exacerbate the division of society. Euromaidan virtually removed this item from the agenda, but the problem remained. Which can reduce the degree of confrontation and, if possible, remove the language issue? And whether it is necessary Ukraine approved at the state level bilingualism?

M. Marinovic: Model of two state languages ​​in Ukraine is bad, and therefore unacceptable. It is not conducive to the public understanding, but on the contrary, it would be complicating. It’s like that line up on the stadium runners on long distances on the same starting line, ignoring the fact that they then have to run different distances. This ostentatious justice that turns into a lie. Because of the long period Russification Ukrainian language has to “run” at a much greater range and therefore legal handicap should be mandatory for it. But the language problem actually is an instrument of the evil policies when for “bilingualism” the idea of ​​hiding the idea of ​​Russian monolingualism in the already non-Ukrainian state. Moses Fishbein well remarked, saying: “The danger is not in the fact that Russian will become the second state, and that the state would become the second Russian. ” Independence has twice confirmed that when people are equally defend the Ukrainian statehood and dignity, the voltage of the language problem simply disappears.

Politeka: There is much talk about the fact that reforms and promises are not met, does not change anything at all. People are starting to get tired. Do you think that’s what the Ukrainians can cause disappointment in what is happening in the country?

M. Marinovic: The other day I had an interesting conversation with an American who knows the Ukraine. It is not surprising slowness of reforms and maximalism of Ukrainians who want at a time “to jump to Heaven” and not able to see those real changes that are already transforming their lives. Here it harms not just the desire for more and utopian hope that everything can change quickly, and psychological fatigue, if everything does not happen immediately. But the Anglo-Saxons, according to my companion, well aware that the long journey can be overcome only small but successful steps. Therefore, we must believe in the Ukraine, and keep in mind that these steps do not have to “someone in Kiev”, but we ourselves.

Politeka: One way or another, but quite most of the news and conversations are now feykovye. Staged events, rumors, subjectivity (subjectivity especially influential persons), the emotions and the absence of a critical attitude to the news – all these factors affect the information field and, accordingly, those who follow him. We are all aware of the propaganda machine of the Russian Federation, but why produce false Ukrainian opinion leaders, consciously designed it? How to resist the lies?

M. Marinovic: Lie there for as long as humanity exists. This utopia – to think that you can get rid of it. But the feature of present-day time becomes a man’s inability to distinguish between truth and lies – and this is a great danger. Previously, the Soviet regime was forced to put the jammers, because people had enough to hear the voice of the free world – and they recognize the truth. Today, Putin’s regime jammers are not necessary – people already zombified so that it is not able to distinguish truth from falsehood. It is because our goal – to restore to the people the proper value basis, which is able to save the situation.

Politeka: How do you assess the establishment of the Anti-Corruption Bureau? Do I need to lyustrirovat officials stole millions from the budget, or whether they need to be immediately judged?

M. Marinovic: Ukraine must act the rule of law. This means that the abuse of power crime must be punished. The question is how it is, depends on the seriousness of the crime: someone needed lyustrirovat, and someone – a judge. Justice must also be sensitive to genuine repentance and be able to distinguish it from evil justifications “Kolyadniki-judges.”

Politeka: A very important question of education in Ukraine. How do you see Ukrainian higher education in five years? Which universities will remain, which will be closed due to reforms and conscious choice of students? What, in your opinion, should be changed in the system of higher education?

M. Marinovic: This question can not be answered in one sentence. The Soviet system of higher education also powerfully acted paternalism: universities have been selected freedom, instead of the state, “spoon-feed”. With this must be dealt with. Universities should receive tangible autonomy, thus becoming responsible for their status and level of education. You have to be prepared for the fact that to find a new balanced system of European education in Ukraine will not be easy – it takes time and proactive educators. But this way we must go.

Interviewed by Alla Bakr

Sourse, 18/05/2015

Decommunisation laws of Ukraine: it is necessary to go ahead

May 8, 2015

The President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko has to sign laws decommunisation. Indignation of some of the population will, in any case, but can not always look at the past.

This is a comment IA ZIK said human rights activist, journalist, theologian, founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv, Miroslav Marinović.

“I do know that these laws need to sign, implement them and do not look at those who will always cling to the past. We must go forward, “- he stressed.

According to Miroslav Marynovych, Russia spends a lot of money to Ukraine arose public indignation at about decommunisation laws. Thus, a certain part of the population is dissatisfied with the matter, Poroshenko to sign these laws or not.

“I do not exclude that the president waits until May 9. But, anyway, will be provocations. However, without doubt, the law must be signed. We have more than 20 years, we looked at those for whom it may be a trauma. As a result, they not only did not appreciate this gesture, and vice versa – have done everything to “invite” Russia and make us a semblance of civil war, “- said human rights activist.

Recall, April 9 Rada endorsed the draft law “On the condemnation of the Communist and National Socialist (Nazi) totalitarian regimes and ban their symbolism propaganda» (number 2558).

The law defines criminal Communist and Nazi regimes, which have claimed millions of Ukrainians. In Ukraine, introduced the responsibility for advocating Communist and Nazi regimes and the public use of their symbolism.

Production, distribution and use of Communist symbols, anthems of the USSR and the Ukrainian SSR shall be punished by restriction of freedom for up to five years, or imprisonment.

Also established procedures and deadlines for renaming objects that are “communist” name. On the streets of Ukrainian cities will take away the symbols and monuments that glorify the totalitarian regime functionaries.

Sourse, 07/05/2015

About Putin, remains of Soviet thinking and freedom of the nation

April 18, 2015

Vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University (UCU), human rights activist and theologian, founder of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, Miroslav Marinović – one of those people who are considered moral authorities era. He modestly calls himself an optimist, and a happy person, because the Ukraine, for which he has fought since the 70s, gained statehood, independence and freedom in his eyes.

Marinovic sooner became a dissident: 27 years, he was among the founders of the Helsinki Human Rights Group, and a year later for the unauthorized reading from the Kiev Conservatory scene poem Taras Shevchenko Zapovit sent him to seven years in a strict-regime camp and another five years in exile.

Later in his book The Gospel of God’s fool Marinovic he wrote that in the camp, despite all the hardships, it was much easier than, for example, in the Soviet army. Paradoxically, the free people in the USSR, he found behind the barbed wire, and not outside it.

In the 90 Marinovic he engaged in human rights activities, and participated in public life and at the same time repeatedly refused a political career and fame.

Today, 66-year-old theologian engaged in favorite business – working with students and formulates his own deep religious understanding of the processes taking place in Ukraine.

We meet in the main building of UCU in Lviv, in a small room in the attic of the building. In his office, littered with books and pictures, smells good freshly made coffee. Offering a traditional welcome drink Lviv, Marinovic moves closer to the table and plunged into the conversation.

Independence and war – is the next stage of growth in freedom. Naturally, we are facing in this process with growing pains. Dignity revolution gave us national solidarity – people came to the square every man for himself, and returned to the nation area. But we still do not fully understand the freedom and do not know how to use it.

It is a long and difficult process, but we want everything at once, and this results in a talk about the third Maidan. I am sure that in our power to have no enemies of the Ukrainian state, which means that there is no need to revolt. Maidan – that is our freedom, but our democracy. Today we have to learn how to create persistent political groups to defend their interests.

Frequent change of power at the same time should not frighten us. During the test, and government crises are changing rapidly, because people’s needs are changing. For example, in post-war Italy changed its authority every six months, and over the country while laughing the whole of Europe, but it was an important step in achieving the growth of freedom.

Creating a nation for a year, now we have to modernize it. This means to get rid of the Soviet paternalistic management model. The current government until it is difficult for – all they want to do everything to give. But in a country where there is war and ruined the economy it is impossible. You need to let go of people and to be honest we can not provide you, but it will create conditions for you to help yourself.

I am absolutely not afraid of the emergence in Ukraine of several centers of political influence. The main thing is that they did not divide the country issues civilizational choice – between Russia and Europe. And I’m wondering if there are any in popular support for the ex-governor of the Dnipropetrovsk region Igorya Kolomoyskogo all the same manifestations of paternalism: that someone strong solve the problem for us? And maybe the same principle we follow in our European choice? Once the Soviet Union and Russia have discredited themselves, we will go to the EU?

Each time, growing in freedom, we have to ask ourselves these questions. Otherwise, the risk is great to choose Europe, not realizing that we choose.

In vain you think that the Soviet way of thinking only in the east but not in Galicia. For example, garbage lustration – people happily rushed to administer lynch bad officials, throwing them in the trash. And this is after the dignity of the revolution, where we fought against the degradation of man, for the rule of law.

I’m back here in Galicia, say you that our courts do not know? We – the little people, and we did not achieve justice. This is the manifestation of Soviet thinking. We still do not believe in their capabilities, by virtue of the joint action. And because any number we can call ourselves anti-Communist ideology, but to show their business these ideas. Not only grow in freedom, it is important to grow in morality.

The deepest biblical revelation for me: the Promised Land can be attained only when disappear those who remember the taste of slavery in Egypt. I would like to say that we can get rid of the Soviet past, but I can not. In this great and sad lesson for Ukraine. Maidan generation – it is people with different levels of assimilation of freedom, but they appeared only after almost 20 years of independence, and these people are still too few in power. We will have to wait until the grow another generation that will fall behind the current one.

Moses meaning of 40 years in that society begins to speak the same language, see a common goal. And that’s just at this moment the prophet led people to sacred Mount Sinai. Our Sinai is yet to come.

I judge by the way behaves in our leadership, and realize that they are on the brink. People in government understand that they needed to be in power for long, because now it is important to learn in a civilized and responsible to transmit and receive power.

Preferred Position Ukrainians – to be on the side of truth, and all the time to check yourself in it . This makes it possible to survive even in a desperate situation. I remember another young first came to Moscow. Snow-covered town, a powerful imperial grandeur. Then I thought, and I decided to oppose this force? And then I met a well-known dissident General Pyotr Grigorenko and knew I wanted to be a strong and sincere with. And this feeling – that the truth is not outside the Kremlin walls, and these weak, but honest people – gave me the strength and peace of mind even in camps, under threat of death.

During the years of independence, the Russians lost the ability to distinguish between good and evil. Remember, in the Soviet era in the way of information from the West to the Soviet listeners were “jammers”? But people still understand intuitively what is true. And now “jammers” No, but it destroyed the propaganda value of any information. All deep archaic instincts – blood, revenge, death – are used to deprive people of the ability to distinguish good. This is the biggest tragedy.

Previously, the Russians were capable of empathy. But in Soviet times there was a rigidity, anger and slavish submission. Man looking like themselves justify, and therefore shows the hatred of those who are the cause of his own weakness. The fact that the Russians now do not like the Ukrainians and believe the propaganda, there is this component, “Look, they escaped, got rid of their king, and we can not.” This humiliation is transformed into hatred, and sends them to war.

Putin in this war can only be stopped by force. If Ukraine has received a lethal weapon, it would be a red line. The Kremlin would have realized that further means war situation can not be controlled. On the other hand, I have the feeling that God has given us today this fragile truce balance that we find non-obvious response to the situation. After each party, acting in its own logic, leads humanity to a third world war. How to prevent this? Where is this unusual time? Perhaps, in this dispensation for Ukraine – to escape, finding a solution?

I understand very well Hope Savchenko, her hunger strike – is a way to stay human. She, like Gogol’s hero, must outline the circle around itself, so that no evil force there has not penetrated, and the hunger strike she did. I and many of my comrades, starving in the camps were well aware that the so-totalitarian power never win. But to put a barrier between you and the power, for which you are a grain of sand – to prisoner of conscience is an important point.

Protection of human rights and the Christian faith does not get along very harmoniously in me. But the issue of choice, I do not take tragic. I do not remember any stage of his life, where such a choice would not exist. It is important not to destroy the main principle of faith – the love of God through the love of a man. If I give the privilege doctrine, injuring a person, it is wrong. But at the same time, I will always look for an opportunity to hold doctrines, without harming the person – it’s my Christian mission.

5 questions Miroslav Marinović:

– An event that you consider important in your life?

– The decision to join the Ukrainian Helsinki Group.

– What is your favorite city?

– I love the Lions, and I feel good and comfortable in Kiev. It is a city that I was saying goodbye from the car windows, taking me to the camp. And there Drohobych – the city of my childhood.

– What do you get around the city?

– Before the tram, and now because of old age to and from work gives me a university car.

– What is your monthly cost of living?

– Honestly, I do not even use all of his salary. My wife and I help a lot of relatives and friends, to circumvent minimum requirements. I think today that at least 6-8 thousand. UAH.

– What do you seek?

– I was a little worried about career, I feel very comfortable, Vice-Rector and never wanted to be a rector or a politician. More important to me not to make a career, but to be on the good side.

Sourse, 17/04/2015

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It should not be ruled out that violence, terrorist attacks and killings will become the new law of life

December 21, 2016

After the analysis of the terrible events in Aleppo, the world’s terrorist attacks and demonstration killings, it appears that the main and perhaps the main argument of the modern world has become violent.

Violence was originally the shadow of a human life, it is inherent in human nature. Remember his first manifestation – the murder of Abel by Cain. Even then, it is harmoniously entered the life of the world and became co-exist with humans.

Another thing – there have been ebbs and flows of violence. Thus, a positive period of the postwar period was after the Second World War, when humanity said to myself: «newer again» (never again – trans.). Then the world was set up to ensure that never again allow a military nightmare. Then he took a major turning point, which I appreciate as a category of zero-sum and added value.

That is, the principle of zero-sum – is “an eye for an eye,” or “I won and you lost.” It’s a formula that involves violence basis. In turn, the principle of value added – is the principle of cooperation (for the participants get more on cooperation than on the single).

After the war, European civilization adopted the principles of added value and pushed all the antagonisms that have been in Europe before. It seemed forever pushed. But it so happened, as we would.

“With a light hand,” Putin’s violence is back in our lives.

The Russian president has decided to turn the chessboard and make Europe a new force redivision of the world. Unfortunately, this principle has become contagious: many nations become agitated and began to act selfishly, not as agreed earlier.

Of course, in this situation, a lot of the blame lies with the Brussels bureaucracy as cooperation formula, which they offer, often does not satisfy the people. Therefore, the “fashion” to force to resolve the problems returned. Therefore, we should not exclude that violence, acts of terror and murder will become the new law of life.

And it gives me a great disappointment, because I thought that humanity has become much wiser.

Sourse, 20/12/2017

Let’s change the rules of the game and become successful, otherwise we devour Bolshevik mood

November 12, 2016

November 10-11 in Lviv hosts international congress of dissidents and II Crimean forum. The event is timed to the 40th anniversary of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group – association of human rights defenders, who fought against human rights violations in the Soviet Union. Talk about Congress dissidents to one of its organizers – co-founder of UHG, dissident, pro-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University Miroslavom Marinovichem.

In Ukraine, there is a possibility of a new Maidan, but such an event – it is the will of the Holy Spirit, not man. Such an opinion in an interview with «LB.ua» stated Miroslav Marinović.

“The threat is there, but I still want to believe in the natural intuition of Ukrainians. And secondly, I believe that the Maidan – the will of the Holy Spirit, not man. Here Mustafa Nye wrote in Facebook «come to the Maidan,” and people came. Well, now let write … And nothing will happen. See, it’s not because Nye wrote, “- said Marinovic.

He added that Ukraine is on the verge of great changes.

“I really believed that the second Maidan will be the last, after which everything goes forward. Now I see what is not. After such a huge edifice, as the Ukraine, it is difficult to change. A huge car you can not turn as “Zaporozhets”. I believe there will be more ups, only ask God that they were not violent. We had two successful Maidana (we done to them, that’s another issue). But they were successful, because it was the right thing. When there is violence – forget about the support of the Holy Spirit “- Marinovic said.

However, he expressed confidence that the union dissidents in Ukraine in any organization or party is unrealistic.

“This is absolutely unrealistic, and reminds me of the traditional reproach to the initiative group of the First of December -” You are, do some treatment, but why do not you take to work? Why will not the political organization, the party? Young will help you. ” No! It is older people who barely make themselves come to the meeting, and that is not all. This is impossible even to speak. Among them are many weak “- Marinovic said.

Sourse, 11/11/2016

While suffering in the camps, I believe the grace of God

April 15, 2016

Vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv, a founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, Miroslav Marinović told why he was grateful to the Soviet camp, what Putin’s weakness, and why we can not allow a third Maidan – Maidan revenge.

– In your biography there is an interesting fact: in February 1987, while in exile in Kazakhstan, you have refused to petition for clemency. Why?

– In 1987, Gorbachev had to somehow solve the problem of political prisoners. This issue has been a thorn in its relations with the West, and he wanted to get rid of it. But it was necessary to do it nicely, to present everything as “workers’ request.” Therefore, the delegation traveled to the ends of the Union, to persuade people to write letters about his repentance. In this case, the chance to go free were very high.

But when to me was such a delegation, I did not yet know. It looked like this: I came to a group of prosecutors, government officials, the KGB officers, who say: “Write an application, and you immediately released.” I laughed and said: “Listen, I have not written this statement at the beginning of his term, when well understood that if I write, I would be freed That is, I could never sit whole life And now, when I two years of exile left.. you want to buy me in the same sentence – write and you will be released, I will not write anything, all right? “.

And they ask: “Would you please give a written denial?” I was surprised, shrugged his shoulders and say, of course. And he wrote, why can not file a petition for clemency. As it turned out, it was important to get a piece of paper. “Received a letter.” My failure as failures of other dissidents who were perceived as referring to the system.

Later, I was very surprised to learn that at about the same situation was, and the patriarch Joseph Blind – and this despite the fact that he was a prisoner to the other, the Stalinist era. He also asked to state their refusal in writing, which he did. KGB methods do not change.

– Time passes, and the system does not change?

– Rapidly changing external signs, ideology, but the essence remains the lowlands. And selective justice Yanukovych – a selective Soviet justice.

And what it cost to provide medical care in the camps: if you serve the system – you will be treated if you struggle with the system – you may, for example, to open the seal, put there arsenic, and then leave and not to return to the seal closed. And this is only a small bar.

And what about the case where the doctor refused to provide medical assistance to the Russian poet Viktor Nekipelov because in addition to the chest was a cross. He was in a very serious condition, and I gave him a pectoral cross. Victor was grateful to me. A doctor came – and recoiled simply: “No, let him heal you, and I will not be treated.” The name of that “Aesculapius” Pchelnikov. He, I think, would be sitting in the dock during the Nuremberg-2, if there was such a tribunal.

– In one of your speeches you talked about the fact that all crises – economic, political – one source – the human spirit crisis. I have to say is now appropriate that the peak of the crisis on the Ukrainian society is left behind?

– No, the crisis continues to grow. Ukrainian society has made very important things – I’m talking about the Maidan. I highly appreciate the spiritual significance of the Maidan. But in Ukrainian history as it was before: we are much easier to fight for the values ​​than to live in accordance with them.

I remember how impressed Maidan. If you ended up in paradise, where you love everyone and everything – you, and you are convinced of this. You can come to anyone, to say a few words and get an incredible dose of love, care, all the light. On the Independence it was possible, and then they returned to the usual system of coordinates. Many on itself felt, as when “one is a warrior” – about how to steal and steal as demanded bribes and demand, perhaps now even in larger sizes. Evil has become very aggressive. It feels like it is coming to an end.

So we need that there be at least a small group of people, who said: we do not care, we win the election or not, it is important to bring the public a new model of behavior and to implement this model by their actions, deeds and decisions. Only then can we say that the crisis had passed.

– What is missing for the emergence of such a group?

– If you think spiritual category, lacking confidence in each other. And if sociologically-public, we do not lack the solidarity in familiar circumstances. We know how to be united on the Maidan. But under normal circumstances, when you are surrounded by wicked people like to be in solidarity? We see the blackness of each, and people see our blackness.

This is our weakness and a problem: we are ready to live in solidarity, but only with perfect people. And sinners be solidarity we can not, and they therefore do not know how. Vicious circle. We expect a saint, as a result of wallowing in a wicked whirlpool. It is a spiritual problem.

– How to solve it?

– We are all sinners by definition. Lord hopes that realizing it, we can find a way to trust, mutual respect and understanding.

– By the way, of understanding. Commenting on the recent incident with the prohibition of LGBT festival, US ambassador Dzheffri Payett stated that “intolerance in Lviv contradict European future, for which so many Ukrainians have sacrificed.” Why do local authorities and the LGBT community has not been able to meet each other?

– My personal opinion is that what happened in Lviv, was generously paid provocation. The organizers of this event, which, incidentally, were not from the city, deliberately going to the conflict. Looking at those who broke them, too, you can see the elements of the order. Someone needed picture anti-European Lviv to the Dutch referendum, the answer was “no.”

However, I do not want to downplay the issue, saying that in Ukraine and particularly in Lviv, everyone loves the LGBT community. No. It is one thing to fight for their rights, and the other – to show their identity so as to cause a sharp rejection of the religious people.

What purpose was the organizers? Teach tolerance of the community? If they have such a purpose for this would need no gay parades and labor helotic work to convey the idea that we are all different, each with its own identity, respectively, for all of us to live in peace.

And in this particular case, I saw a lot of wickedness, provoking pride.

– Now Ukrainians attention again focused on the struggle for the premiership. In your opinion: Is a change for the better in castling?

– I do not rule out any positive effects. It would be irresponsible to deny a priori any possible positive side castling. People are trying, people want to make a difference – let me be.

What I do not believe – is that the current team of deputies and government officials in Ukraine is ready to make a radical change in the system. I do not believe it, even being on the Maidan, seen in front of the then opposition parties that were in power today. I am grateful for the fact that they kept the Ukraine, saved her from the abyss that opened up in front of her. Honor and praise them.

But Ukraine can change only when clearly realize that this system is incorrect. A current and a government and the presidential team – people who want to save Ukraine from the old system means.

Acting by the old methods, it is possible to temporarily prevent the fall of Ukraine, but radically change the country will not work. The reforms that have been adopted, remind me of the old road patching. Something patched where it became easier to drive. But I can smell the scent of the old Soviet way, on which we are still going. In order to build a new one, you need to act radically: remove the layer completely and give a new foundation. And on it – a new canvas.

– One day, recalling the resilience and courage of Hope Savchenko, you said that “dictators are afraid more than we: it is learned all political prisoners times the resistance movement.” Can we assume that under the pressure of his fear dictator Kremlin’s prisoner release to freedom?

– The fact is that if he was spiritually strong and confident, it would long ago have released it. Strong people are not afraid that they will think about, they make decisions when they dictates of conscience.

Vladimir Putin is weak and a notorious man. It does not find the reason, the reasons for the order to release the Hope, a disaster. I’m not talking about the fact that this system does not like to let go of people. Situation, when the Soviet or kvazisovetskaya, that is the Russian system to let their victims, are unique.

– In one interview you recall that the main purpose of your conclusion at the time, and after him, was not embittered. On or in the whole world?

– This is the interrelated things. Not angry with their abusers, we can reformulate. Do not live thinking about how to take revenge. It is important. It’s one thing when you’re living with the idea of ​​justice, to restore order. Hatred, anger, negative feelings for that you do not need. You light think about how you can correct the situation.

If you think about revenge, hatred is the inevitable companion. And then you will only think about the wrongs that have been in the past. It dooms walk with his head turned in the past, not the future. I do not want it at all. I want to look to the future.

Frankly, while suffering in the camps, I believe the grace of God. Yes, it was necessary to receive calls of destiny. Yes, I stood on the brink of life and death. But it has made me a different person, I have appeared “backbone” changed world.

God never takes away from everything human. Something takes, but then bestows great. A person who is able to see it, never want to take revenge on instruments that God used.

– The war, which continues to the east – one more test. How long will our society to stop dividing people into “us”, “alien”, “Lviv”, “Donetsk”, “Kiev”?

– If we come out of a sense of revenge, then all of this will be delayed for a long time, and who knows, will there ever be peace in Ukraine.

But I can imagine a situation in which it is the regions that today cause us indignation and some malice, in certain circumstances, can become engines of development of Ukraine.

Давайте представим: справедливость восторжествовала — Крым возвращается Украине. Но возвращается он в руки не украинских чиновников, которые отчасти в ответе за сложившуюся ситуацию, а в руки настоящих хозяев этой земли — крымских татар. Я бывал в Крыму и посещал кофейни, дома, принадлежащие крымским татарам. Это же была ляля! Они так любят эту землю, что никогда не смогут ей навредить. Только те, у кого нет кровной привязанности, способны на то, что сейчас делает этническое российское или русскоязычное население. Эту землю, будь она отдана крымским татарам, мы бы не узнали. Они бы превратили её в сад.

Similarly, with the Donetsk team. I remember how during the reign of Yanukovych, I concluded: his countrymen – very dynamic, ambitious, nelenivyh people. The only negative – the wrong value basis. In a short span of time they impose on Ukraine exactly the diabolical, irregular basis.

But we put this dynamism on the right spiritual foundation, they would become the locomotive of Ukraine.

– To do this, we need reforms in education?

– In education, too. But education – this decade. And I say that we need a rebirth now. Today’s young people, in a sense, already formed. I am very much looking forward to from her, because she is not a carrier of stereotypes, the older generation.

But we still do not know how to use it. Where young people now? Where her voice in decision-making in our country? Everything is decided by adult uncle, who pushed the young people even during the Maidan, although it actually began with the youth.

This is the first generation that is not the generation of “homo Sovieticus” it will declare itself decisive action – and only then we will change.

Despite the huge number of enthusiasts during the first Maidan representatives of the new generation have not been able to express themselves. But they did it in the second, they – the second generation of the Maidan.

– Can we say that the second Maidan turned out better than the first?

– They won, so I am convinced that from this point of view, were both successful. Speaking of failure or failure, we have in mind the political consequences. But the Ukrainian Maidan were not political revolutions – it is first of all spiritual phenomena. See the spiritual changes more difficult, political – it is easier. The latter really is not enough.

Maidan The aim was to change not just the political parameters and the mentality of the vast country, of all people, from head to toe.

Some animals change their skin all at once – and Ukraine. It seemed at one point, several efforts trying this old skin to relieve himself.

This is a global change, I can only be compared with the adoption of Christianity in Russia. And living as if the “inside” of transformation, of course, it seems that “all is lost”. I am an optimist who sees the huge potential of the Ukrainian people. I was delighted with the words British expert Sherry: “Ukraine – a country with a weak state and strong civil society in Russia – a country with a strong state and a weak civil society.”.

But we still demand: “We want a strong state, as in Russia!” He will not have this. We have a different nature, we the civil society on the other spiritual foundation is necessary to put. Then the government will have to reckon with the civil society.

– How do you feel, whether the third Maidan?

– I’m afraid to call it the third Maidan, because I always hear: “Third Independence – Independence of revenge.”

I do not want revenge Maidan. I want a spiritual phenomenon. We need one more push to throw off the old skin.

– What books have impressed you so much that you are advised to read them?

– You probably expect that will call the name of a Western intellectual who writes about unlocking the meaning of life. And I find it in the Bible. I do not say, of course, you need only read it. But in this book you can always see something new. Such continuous dialogue with me and the book Mary Valltorta “Bogocholovіk”.

Shevchenko is now urgent as ever. Take now “Kobzarik” open – yes, he yells about what is happening.

Ukraine need solidarity? Read “The Three Musketeers,” Dumas. There is love, friendship, and support – all that is so necessary to us today. None of intellectual research has not made such an impression on me, as this book.

– Whom Ukrainian society should be grateful for a human rights defender and journalist Miroslav Marynovych? Who shaped you as a person?

– First of all, his mother and sister. They were my support, formed the world, given the spiritual basis of life. And yet this fellow dissidents and their relatives. I think of these people as the door closed prison cell, and I was left alone. Already there was no one to help me, not to anyone was to play the role. Nevertheless, I always thought of them, those who remained behind the scenes, and I knew I could not let them blame me for some things.

Many of these people are no longer alive. I remember them with great gratitude and thank God for what they have been in my life.

Interviewed by Anna Sinyaschik

Miroslav Marinović – dissident, human rights activist, journalist, theologian, founder of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, the organizer of amnisterskogo movement in Ukraine, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv, a member of the initiative group “First of December” and Nestorovskoy group

Sourse, 14/04/2016

The Catholic Church for the sake of ephemeral “dialogue with Moscow” missed the truth

February 15, 2016

The meeting of the Pope and the Patriarch of Moscow found epochal failures Vatican diplomats who can not look out into the real world, says Miroslav Marinović, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University, a former political prisoner, a Ukrainian human rights activist and founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group.

“Dad had an opportunity to defend the interests of the offended Russian aggression had but did not use it.”, – notes Marinovic in his article in the “Ukrainian Truth”.

He is convinced that the Cuban declaration two primates is designed so that about Russia it refers to as a region, “an unprecedented revival of the Christian faith”, where there is the opportunity to “practice their religion freely,” while the alarm appears only when it comes to other countries.

“The Cuban declaration of the Pope and the Patriarch of Moscow is a vivid illustration of several things: the indisputable victory of the FSB and the Kremlin, with all their obedient tools, to which I refer, and the Russian Orthodox Church, and the total defeat of Ukrainian public diplomacy at the Vatican and the apparent lack of it Information Service by the UGCC; helpless blindness and incompetence of the Vatican diplomacy, which is easy to confuse peaceful lexicon; and alarming failure of influential circles of Europe decode deceitful formulas Putin’s propaganda “- Marinovic said.

“That’s why I have a pain conclude on the issue of Ukraine and the Russian Catholic Church for the sake of ephemeral” dialogue with Moscow “once again missed with the truth”, – he stressed.

Joint Declaration of Pope Francis and the head of the Russian Orthodox Church Kirill (Gundyaeva) was signed at the airport in Havana February 12. Ukrainian translation posted on the site, “Vatican Radio”. The Russian version – on the site of the ROC.

Sourse, 14/02/2016

Maidan-2016 in Ukraine, is it real?

January 5, 2016

Ukraine needs to develop, rather than return to a state of Kuchma’s regime. This was stated by Ukrainian human rights activist and founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University Myroslav Marinovic.

According to him, a stalemate has to be resolved in 2016, has evolved in the Ukrainian parliament.

“I have a feeling that, in political terms, was fastened a knot that can not be cut. The main war, which implicitly is in Ukraine, a war between the oligarchs and the people reform society, who want to implement the mandate received from the Maidan. This is a power struggle, I think, in 2016 resolved “, – said the expert.

According to founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, in 2016 we should not exclude the possibility of protests.

“The government must listen to the voice of society, sounded very drastic way. But I am opposed to emotional appeals, figuratively speaking, “all on the forks.” I want this government was a political alternative, but in a democratic sense of the word. Ukraine needs to develop, rather than return to a state of Kuchma’s regime, “- says human rights activist.

At the same time, Miroslav Marinović does not believe in “the third Maidan-2016.”

“Politically there is no alternative. All these radicals such as Lyashko – is not an option. This emotion, beyond which you should not clear Ukraine’s reform program. So I would be very worried if the third Maidan seized power radicals that can destroy, but can not create anything meaningful, “- concluded Marinovic.

Sourse, 04/01/2016

Not convicted crimes comes back

September 22, 2015

Seven years in the camps and five years in exile – as Miroslav Marinović has received from the Soviet government for what was one of the founders of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group. He says he lived behind bars spiritually rich, richer lives, than it is now. Dissident and human rights activist, member of the initiative “First of December”, the vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University has recently entered into a three of the major moral authorities of Ukraine according to the magazine “New Era”. During the discussion, “Lessons of History” in Lviv Mr Marinovic spoke about the main dilemma of the Soviet era, which again becomes relevant.

– It is a struggle between the instinct of self-preservation ( “not put out because srezhut”) and the voice of conscience, the natural human desire to do good that is given to him at birth. In Soviet times, this struggle gave rise to two types of personality. The first type – people who completely obey the instinct of self-preservation – the so-called homo soveticus. People willing to hide in a crack, to protect themselves from evil. The second type – the people that won the voice of conscience, and who became dissidents and joined the resistance movement.

error dissidents

This dilemma is returned. She, like Halley’s comet, which rotates around the sun, sometimes approaching Earth. Only every new generation, every era attaches to this dilemma the new parameters. Today, it is relevant for Ukraine, and for the world. On the one hand – a security issue: how to prevent World War III? How not to annoy Putin, that he did not destroy Ukraine? And on the other, how to protect the values ​​that underpin human civilization, for which twice went Maidan? Again a struggle between the instinct of self-preservation and the call of morality.

The main reason that this dilemma is returned, is that we are not condemned the crimes of communism, not expiated his sin. Partial responsibility for this lies with the dissidents.

In the early ’90s we did not want to carry out a new Nuremberg trial. It was important not to punish past and make a new social contract. The crimes of the communist regime, it seemed to me so obvious that the Communists themselves are aware of them and want to live a new life. I compared the crimes of communism with the crime of Cain, which, as we know from the Bible, is subject only to the judgment of God. It believed that if we manage to overcome the spiritual communism, we will be able to do without formal legal judgment. That was a mistake.

communist crime turned Kuchma crimes period, a symbol which is Georgiy Gongadze. Crimes Kuchma period were not, despite the slogan of “bandits – the prison,” convicted after the Orange Revolution. Political prisoners soon became political opponents and chase them was impossible. Consequently, crimes Yanukovych Kuchma period turned into crimes, which also are still not punished and condemned. Still there are untouchables, those people that for reasons of political expediency is still justice.

error in Europe

War of 1939 started two world monster – the Nazi regime in Germany and the communist Soviet regime. They began this deadly tango together, and then one of them turned their weapons against the other, and they came together in battle.

Soviet troops invaded Finland – this is definitely the culprit. And the very soldiers deploying weapons against the Nazis, became a conquering hero. This dual role of the Soviet Union in World War II – the role of the forces started the war itself it victoriously completed – are now involves much confusion.

According to West, suffering and heroism in the “Soviet people” during the war, give a moral right not to look into the crimes of the Gulag, not to think of Stalin’s purges. So we have a double standard in the treatment of the crimes of those times. The world heard the screams of people being tortured in the cellars of the Gestapo, but heard cries of tortured NKVD.

Timothy Snyder wrote that there is a difference in the historical memory of Western and Eastern Europe. East has experienced in the twentieth century two terrible totalitarian regime, and the West must recognize and rethink it. Victory over nazism should not close our eyes to the other side of the Soviet regime – criminal. “Can a prisoner who died in Vorkuta, to be happy, that died in Dachau?” – he wrote the Polish philosopher Leszek Kolakowski.

After the fall of the Third Reich in Germany held a hearing. After the fall of the Polish People’s Republic Voytseh Yaruzelsky also appeared before the court, though he was promised immunity. However, in the early 90’s the Germans tried to convince me: “Do not do Nuremberg-2, it is not necessary!”. Even more than once at the German-Ukrainian readings – and this was the time when Viktor Yushchenko finally raised to the national level the issue of Holodomor – the whole German delegation attacked the Ukrainians: “What are you doing Why raise this topic it not? realize that it mocks Russia, you’ll have new challenges? “.

So, the rule of law has worked in Europe, but she tried to block or at least delay a similar process in the post-Soviet space. These delays have led to what is already current generation must pay the price for the communist crimes. It seems to me that Heavenly hundreds, and soldiers killed at the front – the victim of what communism was not convicted in a timely manner. And part of the responsibility for what is happening today in Ukraine is on Europe.

Sourse, 21/09/2015

The formula of struggle

August 22, 2015

As a dissident Miroslav Marinović, who was convicted by a Soviet court for lying and anti-Soviet propaganda, it became one of the most influential people in today’s Ukraine and the head of one of the best universities.

In the Perm prison, a group of prisoners as a heated argument with a supervisor. Parties clearly do not find a common language. And then passed them prisoner. “Oh, so he will not lie! Come, please!” – refers to the prisoner overseer Miroslav Marinović. The irony lies in the fact that the Ukrainian dissident who had the reputation in prison honest and uncompromising man was sentenced for lying and anti-Soviet agitation.

Marinovic, known as an anti-Soviet, Soviet special services and a cheat, really would lie not. Being on the side of truth – his credo. Since the end of 1960 – even from his student years – the principles of life and a heightened sense of justice forced him to defend the rights in a regulated framework of the Soviet regime the country.

he said that even in the most terrible moments when he thought he was dying, never regretted his position. “Good does not win every battle, but winning the war – now says Marinovic – This perspective was in me from the beginning. I’ll be on the side of good, even if I lose.”

Now Marinovic stands good in the Ukrainian Catholic University (UCU), which is cited as the most progressive universities in the country. He – the permanent vice-rector of the institution, which is just 13 years of existence, has become one of the best sites for the training of journalists and business executives. According to international research firm Hay Group, UCU among the top five Ukrainian universities, whose popularity is growing rapidly.

In addition, the dissident works in the so-called Nestorovskoy group that develops after euromaidan vision of Ukraine’s mission. The document, which happens as a result, will form the basis of the country strategy. A similar experience in intellectual is already there: in the early 2000s, he developed a similar document for the city, which as a result has helped him become one of the most successful Russian cities.

The right to the word

At the time of the conclusion – seven years in prison and five years of exile – Marinovic was only 27 years old. By the time he has already weighed in dissident circles of Ukraine, as well as an impressive list of sins in the folder of the KGB investigators.

Collect dirt on the young Ukrainian nationalist state security began in the years of his studies at the Lviv Polytechnic, where he had the imprudence to criticize the Soviet system. The first serious warning Marinovic was in 1973, when with friends laid flowers at the monument to Taras Shevchenko in Kiev. “Crime” was that he paid tribute to the officially recognized poet, who died in Russia, on May 22 – the day of his reburial in Ukraine. The commemoration of that date, the Soviet secret service was considered a manifestation of nationalism.

With Shevchenko linked another case, glorified Marynovych far outside dissident circles. In 1976, he and his friend Nikolay Matusevich during the celebration of another anniversary of the day Shevchenko’s birth, which took place in the Kiev Philharmonic, took the stage and sang Zapovit. The official program, which consisted of songs about “how good to live in a Soviet country,” and read the diary of Shevchenko in Russian, the main product of Ukrainian poet not included.

“The evening was held in Russian, and it was a slap in the face to all Ukrainian,” – explains our original Marinovic indignation: he just could not tolerate such abuse. After leaving the stage, he is a bit made secure by saying that Zapovit Shevchenko loved to Vladimir Lenin. However, the safety net has not helped. When he began to play the piano, one who arranges concerts shouted: “The concert is over!” But the audience picked up Zapovit, and when turned off the light, began to sing louder.

“It was a complete defeat of those who ran and screamed that the concert is over,” – says Marinovic.

When it was over, out of the Philharmonic Friends feared, besides the entrance stood a car, and they assumed that it sit gebisty. But right there were people who came to the concert. They surrounded the brave men and conducted to the subway.

Then the KGB Marynovych not touched. “I’m happy to have been involved in at this point – he speaks of those events is now -. Such gestures have to be among the nations, they must be equal to the Ukrainians, because it maintains people in some valuable positions, gives examples of courage.”

Arrested a young dissident in 1977. “Early in the morning the doorbell rang insistently, – recalls the day the arrest of Tamil Matusevich, the sister of his best friend Marynovych, in the apartment where they lived then -. At first, we did not open, because they understood who came, but they rang and rang.”

To arrest he was ready. By the time Marinovic was already six months in the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, human rights activities. Then there was only ten brave men who gathered evidence of violations of the rights of compatriots and tried to establish the accreditation of foreign journalists in Kyiv.

“It was the dethronement of the Soviet myth, in which millions of people believed in the west, – says about the activities of the Helsinki Group Iosif Zisels, dissident, who was also a member -. We have shown that beautiful façade lying behind him – blood and crime.”

However, the Soviet court interpreted these activities under the anti-Soviet agitation and propaganda and denounced Marynovych the maximum sentence – seven years in prison.

In the camp among the political, he quickly began to enjoy prestige, says Oles Shevchenko, who was imprisoned with Marinovic (later was a member of the Verkhovna Rada of I convocation), “came to him, to solve a conflict, difficult situation or just for advice” .

Shevchenko recalls the joint celebration of Easter in 1981. On the eve of the guards warned the prisoners that the religious rite forbidden. “But we brought bread from the dining room, and in the barracks we had jam and sunflower oil – says Shevchenko -. Of these, we blinded the passover.” For this freedom of all prisoners then sent to a punishment cell.

However Marinovic not silent: he wrote a letter to the Pope on violations of the rights of believers in Soviet prisons. “Write it was impossible, so he” wrote “his head – says Shevchenko -. And then transferred to the paper and handed it to chance.”

Surprisingly, Marynovych letter to the pontiff came, and he even held a prayer service in support of Soviet political prisoners.

Varlam Shalamov, the last Stalinist camps, wrote about them as a place where the “dehumanization”. Marinovic, on the other hand, recalls his life behind barbed wire as a time of intense spiritual growth. Firstly, in the camp, he said, he had gathered a brilliant intellectual society, including writers Nikolai Rudenko and Eugene Sverstyuk poet Zenoviy Krasivskaya.

Under their influence Marinovic started writing poems in prison, and prepared a book of the Gospel of God’s fool, who released after release. Now he argues that it is in detention found faith in God.

God willing

Return Marynovych to Ukraine coincided with the beginning of perestroika. Then he began to study theology. First there were articles on inter-church peacefulness in the newspaper of the city of Drohobych, where he settled after the conclusion. “The end of the ’80s – it was a time of religious conflicts, – he explains the choice of the theme -. I have suffered from it, I saw it absurd, unwise and unpatriotic, prejudicial to the independence of Ukraine.”

Marynovych later invited to read lectures about the history of religion in Drohobych Pedagogical University. But after studying the course of history of religion in the United States, he established and headed the Institute of Religion and Society at the Lviv Theological Academy.

In parallel, he begins to work in the department of Ukrainian Association of Amnesty International and shrugs off suggestions go into politics – he repeatedly offered to run for the MPs. Marynovych not even managed to persuade his friend, Vyacheslav Chornovil, a dissident and political prisoner, and later – the founder of the People’s Movement of Ukraine.

Now Marinovic busy that loves – scientific work at UCU. Lectures, he does not read, but from time to time speaks to students with special inspiring “sermons”. “He – our living conscience, – said Otar Dovzhenko, a journalist and professor of journalism of the university -. His presence will ensure that the Criminal Code there is no corruption, no gotchas.”

When Marinovic UCU has become one of the most dynamic universities in the country – it is constantly evolving, says journalist and media expert Evgeny Hlibovytsky, worked with Marinovic first in Univskoy group, which developed the vision of Lvov, and now – in Nestorovskoy group, which is working on a strategic vision of Ukraine.

“The group Univskoy he did an unimaginable amount of work, – enthusiastically tells Hlibovytsky -. And such a man of his status can be neglected is his religious setting Marinovic did not want to practice arrogance…”

Many familiar with it people talk about his amazing honesty and inner freedom. And talking to HB, Marinovic remembered the story of how the nearly renounced his beliefs. It was in Kiev in the early ’70s. Young Marinovic a long time could not get a job because of the intervention of the KGB. Once he was an acquaintance invited to try on a prestigious location – the editorial board of the Soviet Ukrainian Encyclopedia.

“And I’m going to an interview and say to myself, in a whisper, that if I would take on the job, May 22 at the monument to Shevchenko will not go” – is now recognized Marinovic.

He is now with shame recalls the case and adds that it is convinced that no compromise will not survive – a characteristic feature of the Soviet man. This way of thinking is still working, and that he is the reason that the country can not change radically, he says in the conclusion of the conversation. The problem of the fate of the country today for Marynovych – the most important.

Sourse, 21/08/2015

About Ukrainian education reforms and things which really unites and divides the people of one country

May 19, 2015

Miroslav Marinović, Ukrainian human rights activist and scholar of religion, founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group and organizer amnisterskogo movement in Ukraine, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv. A man whose opinions heard. Probably, most of the democratic parties of Ukraine would like to see Miroslav Francovich on their lists, but for the most Marynovych success is not measured by the steps of the career ladder. One of the most influential Ukrainians told Politeka of Ukrainian education reforms and that really unites and divides the people of a country.

Miroslav Francovich first met with the KGB in the university years – for criticizing the Soviet policy. In 27 years, Miroslav Marinović has become a founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, and since then has come under constant surveillance. And then – the charges of anti-Soviet agitation and propaganda, imprisonment and exile, 150 days in a punishment cell, and hunger strikes.

This time Miroslav Francovich refers to one of the brightest periods of his life, because that is the conclusion made, according to a human rights activist, as “the man with the backbone.” Regularly refusing all offers to enter parliament, according to its mission involvement in changing the mentality of people and speech to parliament prefers to communicate with young people.

Politeka: Independence, volunteering, united opposition of the enemy Ukrainians, but can we say that we really become one? whether society needs, in your opinion, in the transformations, or the path to unity can be considered passed?

M. Marinovic: We discussed a lot about this in Nestorovskoy group, and came to the conclusion that a nation has already been created, and now it needs to be upgraded. This problem was I could be formulated differently. On the Independence, and especially during the war with Russia, a nation united common problem and a common desire to protect themselves from the enemy. It is a powerful unifying force. But the war end sooner or later – and then what? In other words, we need to rapidly develop a positive concept of a single state, so that the people united around shared values, which are so powerfully voiced Maidan: human dignity, national and religious freedom, the rule of law, public morality and social justice. Public demand for these values ​​is – do not have enough faith in what we can for them to become successful.

Politeka: Ukraine is now going through a very difficult time, which was the legacy of a paternalistic state, in which we have lived for so long. You travel a lot, and, in your opinion, if there is Ukrainians – on both sides of the Dnieper River – a desire to return to a usable form of life as paternalism?

M. Marinovic: Actually, we are from a paternalistic state has not yet emerged. Of course, society has changed significantly compared with Soviet times, but a chronic state management system is not dismantled. We still make the “hole course” repair the old Soviet way. Oligarchic system abuses paternalistic instincts of the population does not develop small and medium-sized businesses – that is, precisely those who overcame a paternalistic stereotypes. Therefore, Ukraine has not yet sounded the march “Farewell of Slav”, but the truth and that we are already very close to this. But regional differences are insignificant, and sometimes in Dnepropetrovsk can be found a more dynamic business elite than in Galicia.

Politeka: In his publications and interviews You’re saying that the Ukrainians are united East and West, they have the same expectations and aspirations. But why, in that case, there is a conflict where the line that divides people?

M. Marinovic: The border does exist, but it is mobile. In the early 1990s, it was held on Zbruch. While in Galicia were intensive processes of ideological and religious restructuring – then point the finger at Galicia as a region with an expressive “inflammation”. Presidential and parliamentary elections later times indicated that this boundary initially approached the Dnieper, then spread through him and to “win” the north of Ukraine. Then he stopped, having fenced off a so-called South East. Today, “inflammation” is precisely in this part of the country. Gone was the homogeneity of the local political orientations, once a single monolith disintegrated into fragments, which are active – in pain and agony – looking for a new identity. Technically, one could say that the occupied territories of the Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk regions just passed a new frontier, but this conclusion may be premature. Nobody spent here independent surveys, and the consequences of the occupation for many may be unexpected. Therefore, we will not jump to conclusions, let us instead build a free and democratic Ukraine – and let God do the rest.

Politeka: Besides the fact that different regions of Ukraine are carriers of different ideologies, they speak at least two languages. Periodically there talk of “non-discrimination of the Russian language.” A striking example – “language law” Kolesnichenko-Kivalov, which could exacerbate the division of society. Euromaidan virtually removed this item from the agenda, but the problem remained. Which can reduce the degree of confrontation and, if possible, remove the language issue? And whether it is necessary Ukraine approved at the state level bilingualism?

M. Marinovic: Model of two state languages ​​in Ukraine is bad, and therefore unacceptable. It is not conducive to the public understanding, but on the contrary, it would be complicating. It’s like that line up on the stadium runners on long distances on the same starting line, ignoring the fact that they then have to run different distances. This ostentatious justice that turns into a lie. Because of the long period Russification Ukrainian language has to “run” at a much greater range and therefore legal handicap should be mandatory for it. But the language problem actually is an instrument of the evil policies when for “bilingualism” the idea of ​​hiding the idea of ​​Russian monolingualism in the already non-Ukrainian state. Moses Fishbein well remarked, saying: “The danger is not in the fact that Russian will become the second state, and that the state would become the second Russian. ” Independence has twice confirmed that when people are equally defend the Ukrainian statehood and dignity, the voltage of the language problem simply disappears.

Politeka: There is much talk about the fact that reforms and promises are not met, does not change anything at all. People are starting to get tired. Do you think that’s what the Ukrainians can cause disappointment in what is happening in the country?

M. Marinovic: The other day I had an interesting conversation with an American who knows the Ukraine. It is not surprising slowness of reforms and maximalism of Ukrainians who want at a time “to jump to Heaven” and not able to see those real changes that are already transforming their lives. Here it harms not just the desire for more and utopian hope that everything can change quickly, and psychological fatigue, if everything does not happen immediately. But the Anglo-Saxons, according to my companion, well aware that the long journey can be overcome only small but successful steps. Therefore, we must believe in the Ukraine, and keep in mind that these steps do not have to “someone in Kiev”, but we ourselves.

Politeka: One way or another, but quite most of the news and conversations are now feykovye. Staged events, rumors, subjectivity (subjectivity especially influential persons), the emotions and the absence of a critical attitude to the news – all these factors affect the information field and, accordingly, those who follow him. We are all aware of the propaganda machine of the Russian Federation, but why produce false Ukrainian opinion leaders, consciously designed it? How to resist the lies?

M. Marinovic: Lie there for as long as humanity exists. This utopia – to think that you can get rid of it. But the feature of present-day time becomes a man’s inability to distinguish between truth and lies – and this is a great danger. Previously, the Soviet regime was forced to put the jammers, because people had enough to hear the voice of the free world – and they recognize the truth. Today, Putin’s regime jammers are not necessary – people already zombified so that it is not able to distinguish truth from falsehood. It is because our goal – to restore to the people the proper value basis, which is able to save the situation.

Politeka: How do you assess the establishment of the Anti-Corruption Bureau? Do I need to lyustrirovat officials stole millions from the budget, or whether they need to be immediately judged?

M. Marinovic: Ukraine must act the rule of law. This means that the abuse of power crime must be punished. The question is how it is, depends on the seriousness of the crime: someone needed lyustrirovat, and someone – a judge. Justice must also be sensitive to genuine repentance and be able to distinguish it from evil justifications “Kolyadniki-judges.”

Politeka: A very important question of education in Ukraine. How do you see Ukrainian higher education in five years? Which universities will remain, which will be closed due to reforms and conscious choice of students? What, in your opinion, should be changed in the system of higher education?

M. Marinovic: This question can not be answered in one sentence. The Soviet system of higher education also powerfully acted paternalism: universities have been selected freedom, instead of the state, “spoon-feed”. With this must be dealt with. Universities should receive tangible autonomy, thus becoming responsible for their status and level of education. You have to be prepared for the fact that to find a new balanced system of European education in Ukraine will not be easy – it takes time and proactive educators. But this way we must go.

Interviewed by Alla Bakr

Sourse, 18/05/2015

Decommunisation laws of Ukraine: it is necessary to go ahead

May 8, 2015

The President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko has to sign laws decommunisation. Indignation of some of the population will, in any case, but can not always look at the past.

This is a comment IA ZIK said human rights activist, journalist, theologian, founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv, Miroslav Marinović.

“I do know that these laws need to sign, implement them and do not look at those who will always cling to the past. We must go forward, “- he stressed.

According to Miroslav Marynovych, Russia spends a lot of money to Ukraine arose public indignation at about decommunisation laws. Thus, a certain part of the population is dissatisfied with the matter, Poroshenko to sign these laws or not.

“I do not exclude that the president waits until May 9. But, anyway, will be provocations. However, without doubt, the law must be signed. We have more than 20 years, we looked at those for whom it may be a trauma. As a result, they not only did not appreciate this gesture, and vice versa – have done everything to “invite” Russia and make us a semblance of civil war, “- said human rights activist.

Recall, April 9 Rada endorsed the draft law “On the condemnation of the Communist and National Socialist (Nazi) totalitarian regimes and ban their symbolism propaganda» (number 2558).

The law defines criminal Communist and Nazi regimes, which have claimed millions of Ukrainians. In Ukraine, introduced the responsibility for advocating Communist and Nazi regimes and the public use of their symbolism.

Production, distribution and use of Communist symbols, anthems of the USSR and the Ukrainian SSR shall be punished by restriction of freedom for up to five years, or imprisonment.

Also established procedures and deadlines for renaming objects that are “communist” name. On the streets of Ukrainian cities will take away the symbols and monuments that glorify the totalitarian regime functionaries.

Sourse, 07/05/2015

About Putin, remains of Soviet thinking and freedom of the nation

April 18, 2015

Vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University (UCU), human rights activist and theologian, founder of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, Miroslav Marinović – one of those people who are considered moral authorities era. He modestly calls himself an optimist, and a happy person, because the Ukraine, for which he has fought since the 70s, gained statehood, independence and freedom in his eyes.

Marinovic sooner became a dissident: 27 years, he was among the founders of the Helsinki Human Rights Group, and a year later for the unauthorized reading from the Kiev Conservatory scene poem Taras Shevchenko Zapovit sent him to seven years in a strict-regime camp and another five years in exile.

Later in his book The Gospel of God’s fool Marinovic he wrote that in the camp, despite all the hardships, it was much easier than, for example, in the Soviet army. Paradoxically, the free people in the USSR, he found behind the barbed wire, and not outside it.

In the 90 Marinovic he engaged in human rights activities, and participated in public life and at the same time repeatedly refused a political career and fame.

Today, 66-year-old theologian engaged in favorite business – working with students and formulates his own deep religious understanding of the processes taking place in Ukraine.

We meet in the main building of UCU in Lviv, in a small room in the attic of the building. In his office, littered with books and pictures, smells good freshly made coffee. Offering a traditional welcome drink Lviv, Marinovic moves closer to the table and plunged into the conversation.

Independence and war – is the next stage of growth in freedom. Naturally, we are facing in this process with growing pains. Dignity revolution gave us national solidarity – people came to the square every man for himself, and returned to the nation area. But we still do not fully understand the freedom and do not know how to use it.

It is a long and difficult process, but we want everything at once, and this results in a talk about the third Maidan. I am sure that in our power to have no enemies of the Ukrainian state, which means that there is no need to revolt. Maidan – that is our freedom, but our democracy. Today we have to learn how to create persistent political groups to defend their interests.

Frequent change of power at the same time should not frighten us. During the test, and government crises are changing rapidly, because people’s needs are changing. For example, in post-war Italy changed its authority every six months, and over the country while laughing the whole of Europe, but it was an important step in achieving the growth of freedom.

Creating a nation for a year, now we have to modernize it. This means to get rid of the Soviet paternalistic management model. The current government until it is difficult for – all they want to do everything to give. But in a country where there is war and ruined the economy it is impossible. You need to let go of people and to be honest we can not provide you, but it will create conditions for you to help yourself.

I am absolutely not afraid of the emergence in Ukraine of several centers of political influence. The main thing is that they did not divide the country issues civilizational choice – between Russia and Europe. And I’m wondering if there are any in popular support for the ex-governor of the Dnipropetrovsk region Igorya Kolomoyskogo all the same manifestations of paternalism: that someone strong solve the problem for us? And maybe the same principle we follow in our European choice? Once the Soviet Union and Russia have discredited themselves, we will go to the EU?

Each time, growing in freedom, we have to ask ourselves these questions. Otherwise, the risk is great to choose Europe, not realizing that we choose.

In vain you think that the Soviet way of thinking only in the east but not in Galicia. For example, garbage lustration – people happily rushed to administer lynch bad officials, throwing them in the trash. And this is after the dignity of the revolution, where we fought against the degradation of man, for the rule of law.

I’m back here in Galicia, say you that our courts do not know? We – the little people, and we did not achieve justice. This is the manifestation of Soviet thinking. We still do not believe in their capabilities, by virtue of the joint action. And because any number we can call ourselves anti-Communist ideology, but to show their business these ideas. Not only grow in freedom, it is important to grow in morality.

The deepest biblical revelation for me: the Promised Land can be attained only when disappear those who remember the taste of slavery in Egypt. I would like to say that we can get rid of the Soviet past, but I can not. In this great and sad lesson for Ukraine. Maidan generation – it is people with different levels of assimilation of freedom, but they appeared only after almost 20 years of independence, and these people are still too few in power. We will have to wait until the grow another generation that will fall behind the current one.

Moses meaning of 40 years in that society begins to speak the same language, see a common goal. And that’s just at this moment the prophet led people to sacred Mount Sinai. Our Sinai is yet to come.

I judge by the way behaves in our leadership, and realize that they are on the brink. People in government understand that they needed to be in power for long, because now it is important to learn in a civilized and responsible to transmit and receive power.

Preferred Position Ukrainians – to be on the side of truth, and all the time to check yourself in it . This makes it possible to survive even in a desperate situation. I remember another young first came to Moscow. Snow-covered town, a powerful imperial grandeur. Then I thought, and I decided to oppose this force? And then I met a well-known dissident General Pyotr Grigorenko and knew I wanted to be a strong and sincere with. And this feeling – that the truth is not outside the Kremlin walls, and these weak, but honest people – gave me the strength and peace of mind even in camps, under threat of death.

During the years of independence, the Russians lost the ability to distinguish between good and evil. Remember, in the Soviet era in the way of information from the West to the Soviet listeners were “jammers”? But people still understand intuitively what is true. And now “jammers” No, but it destroyed the propaganda value of any information. All deep archaic instincts – blood, revenge, death – are used to deprive people of the ability to distinguish good. This is the biggest tragedy.

Previously, the Russians were capable of empathy. But in Soviet times there was a rigidity, anger and slavish submission. Man looking like themselves justify, and therefore shows the hatred of those who are the cause of his own weakness. The fact that the Russians now do not like the Ukrainians and believe the propaganda, there is this component, “Look, they escaped, got rid of their king, and we can not.” This humiliation is transformed into hatred, and sends them to war.

Putin in this war can only be stopped by force. If Ukraine has received a lethal weapon, it would be a red line. The Kremlin would have realized that further means war situation can not be controlled. On the other hand, I have the feeling that God has given us today this fragile truce balance that we find non-obvious response to the situation. After each party, acting in its own logic, leads humanity to a third world war. How to prevent this? Where is this unusual time? Perhaps, in this dispensation for Ukraine – to escape, finding a solution?

I understand very well Hope Savchenko, her hunger strike – is a way to stay human. She, like Gogol’s hero, must outline the circle around itself, so that no evil force there has not penetrated, and the hunger strike she did. I and many of my comrades, starving in the camps were well aware that the so-totalitarian power never win. But to put a barrier between you and the power, for which you are a grain of sand – to prisoner of conscience is an important point.

Protection of human rights and the Christian faith does not get along very harmoniously in me. But the issue of choice, I do not take tragic. I do not remember any stage of his life, where such a choice would not exist. It is important not to destroy the main principle of faith – the love of God through the love of a man. If I give the privilege doctrine, injuring a person, it is wrong. But at the same time, I will always look for an opportunity to hold doctrines, without harming the person – it’s my Christian mission.

5 questions Miroslav Marinović:

– An event that you consider important in your life?

– The decision to join the Ukrainian Helsinki Group.

– What is your favorite city?

– I love the Lions, and I feel good and comfortable in Kiev. It is a city that I was saying goodbye from the car windows, taking me to the camp. And there Drohobych – the city of my childhood.

– What do you get around the city?

– Before the tram, and now because of old age to and from work gives me a university car.

– What is your monthly cost of living?

– Honestly, I do not even use all of his salary. My wife and I help a lot of relatives and friends, to circumvent minimum requirements. I think today that at least 6-8 thousand. UAH.

– What do you seek?

– I was a little worried about career, I feel very comfortable, Vice-Rector and never wanted to be a rector or a politician. More important to me not to make a career, but to be on the good side.

Sourse, 17/04/2015

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It should not be ruled out that violence, terrorist attacks and killings will become the new law of life

December 21, 2016

After the analysis of the terrible events in Aleppo, the world’s terrorist attacks and demonstration killings, it appears that the main and perhaps the main argument of the modern world has become violent.

Violence was originally the shadow of a human life, it is inherent in human nature. Remember his first manifestation – the murder of Abel by Cain. Even then, it is harmoniously entered the life of the world and became co-exist with humans.

Another thing – there have been ebbs and flows of violence. Thus, a positive period of the postwar period was after the Second World War, when humanity said to myself: «newer again» (never again – trans.). Then the world was set up to ensure that never again allow a military nightmare. Then he took a major turning point, which I appreciate as a category of zero-sum and added value.

That is, the principle of zero-sum – is “an eye for an eye,” or “I won and you lost.” It’s a formula that involves violence basis. In turn, the principle of value added – is the principle of cooperation (for the participants get more on cooperation than on the single).

After the war, European civilization adopted the principles of added value and pushed all the antagonisms that have been in Europe before. It seemed forever pushed. But it so happened, as we would.

“With a light hand,” Putin’s violence is back in our lives.

The Russian president has decided to turn the chessboard and make Europe a new force redivision of the world. Unfortunately, this principle has become contagious: many nations become agitated and began to act selfishly, not as agreed earlier.

Of course, in this situation, a lot of the blame lies with the Brussels bureaucracy as cooperation formula, which they offer, often does not satisfy the people. Therefore, the “fashion” to force to resolve the problems returned. Therefore, we should not exclude that violence, acts of terror and murder will become the new law of life.

And it gives me a great disappointment, because I thought that humanity has become much wiser.

Sourse, 20/12/2017

Let’s change the rules of the game and become successful, otherwise we devour Bolshevik mood

November 12, 2016

November 10-11 in Lviv hosts international congress of dissidents and II Crimean forum. The event is timed to the 40th anniversary of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group – association of human rights defenders, who fought against human rights violations in the Soviet Union. Talk about Congress dissidents to one of its organizers – co-founder of UHG, dissident, pro-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University Miroslavom Marinovichem.

In Ukraine, there is a possibility of a new Maidan, but such an event – it is the will of the Holy Spirit, not man. Such an opinion in an interview with «LB.ua» stated Miroslav Marinović.

“The threat is there, but I still want to believe in the natural intuition of Ukrainians. And secondly, I believe that the Maidan – the will of the Holy Spirit, not man. Here Mustafa Nye wrote in Facebook «come to the Maidan,” and people came. Well, now let write … And nothing will happen. See, it’s not because Nye wrote, “- said Marinovic.

He added that Ukraine is on the verge of great changes.

“I really believed that the second Maidan will be the last, after which everything goes forward. Now I see what is not. After such a huge edifice, as the Ukraine, it is difficult to change. A huge car you can not turn as “Zaporozhets”. I believe there will be more ups, only ask God that they were not violent. We had two successful Maidana (we done to them, that’s another issue). But they were successful, because it was the right thing. When there is violence – forget about the support of the Holy Spirit “- Marinovic said.

However, he expressed confidence that the union dissidents in Ukraine in any organization or party is unrealistic.

“This is absolutely unrealistic, and reminds me of the traditional reproach to the initiative group of the First of December -” You are, do some treatment, but why do not you take to work? Why will not the political organization, the party? Young will help you. ” No! It is older people who barely make themselves come to the meeting, and that is not all. This is impossible even to speak. Among them are many weak “- Marinovic said.

Sourse, 11/11/2016

While suffering in the camps, I believe the grace of God

April 15, 2016

Vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv, a founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, Miroslav Marinović told why he was grateful to the Soviet camp, what Putin’s weakness, and why we can not allow a third Maidan – Maidan revenge.

– In your biography there is an interesting fact: in February 1987, while in exile in Kazakhstan, you have refused to petition for clemency. Why?

– In 1987, Gorbachev had to somehow solve the problem of political prisoners. This issue has been a thorn in its relations with the West, and he wanted to get rid of it. But it was necessary to do it nicely, to present everything as “workers’ request.” Therefore, the delegation traveled to the ends of the Union, to persuade people to write letters about his repentance. In this case, the chance to go free were very high.

But when to me was such a delegation, I did not yet know. It looked like this: I came to a group of prosecutors, government officials, the KGB officers, who say: “Write an application, and you immediately released.” I laughed and said: “Listen, I have not written this statement at the beginning of his term, when well understood that if I write, I would be freed That is, I could never sit whole life And now, when I two years of exile left.. you want to buy me in the same sentence – write and you will be released, I will not write anything, all right? “.

And they ask: “Would you please give a written denial?” I was surprised, shrugged his shoulders and say, of course. And he wrote, why can not file a petition for clemency. As it turned out, it was important to get a piece of paper. “Received a letter.” My failure as failures of other dissidents who were perceived as referring to the system.

Later, I was very surprised to learn that at about the same situation was, and the patriarch Joseph Blind – and this despite the fact that he was a prisoner to the other, the Stalinist era. He also asked to state their refusal in writing, which he did. KGB methods do not change.

– Time passes, and the system does not change?

– Rapidly changing external signs, ideology, but the essence remains the lowlands. And selective justice Yanukovych – a selective Soviet justice.

And what it cost to provide medical care in the camps: if you serve the system – you will be treated if you struggle with the system – you may, for example, to open the seal, put there arsenic, and then leave and not to return to the seal closed. And this is only a small bar.

And what about the case where the doctor refused to provide medical assistance to the Russian poet Viktor Nekipelov because in addition to the chest was a cross. He was in a very serious condition, and I gave him a pectoral cross. Victor was grateful to me. A doctor came – and recoiled simply: “No, let him heal you, and I will not be treated.” The name of that “Aesculapius” Pchelnikov. He, I think, would be sitting in the dock during the Nuremberg-2, if there was such a tribunal.

– In one of your speeches you talked about the fact that all crises – economic, political – one source – the human spirit crisis. I have to say is now appropriate that the peak of the crisis on the Ukrainian society is left behind?

– No, the crisis continues to grow. Ukrainian society has made very important things – I’m talking about the Maidan. I highly appreciate the spiritual significance of the Maidan. But in Ukrainian history as it was before: we are much easier to fight for the values ​​than to live in accordance with them.

I remember how impressed Maidan. If you ended up in paradise, where you love everyone and everything – you, and you are convinced of this. You can come to anyone, to say a few words and get an incredible dose of love, care, all the light. On the Independence it was possible, and then they returned to the usual system of coordinates. Many on itself felt, as when “one is a warrior” – about how to steal and steal as demanded bribes and demand, perhaps now even in larger sizes. Evil has become very aggressive. It feels like it is coming to an end.

So we need that there be at least a small group of people, who said: we do not care, we win the election or not, it is important to bring the public a new model of behavior and to implement this model by their actions, deeds and decisions. Only then can we say that the crisis had passed.

– What is missing for the emergence of such a group?

– If you think spiritual category, lacking confidence in each other. And if sociologically-public, we do not lack the solidarity in familiar circumstances. We know how to be united on the Maidan. But under normal circumstances, when you are surrounded by wicked people like to be in solidarity? We see the blackness of each, and people see our blackness.

This is our weakness and a problem: we are ready to live in solidarity, but only with perfect people. And sinners be solidarity we can not, and they therefore do not know how. Vicious circle. We expect a saint, as a result of wallowing in a wicked whirlpool. It is a spiritual problem.

– How to solve it?

– We are all sinners by definition. Lord hopes that realizing it, we can find a way to trust, mutual respect and understanding.

– By the way, of understanding. Commenting on the recent incident with the prohibition of LGBT festival, US ambassador Dzheffri Payett stated that “intolerance in Lviv contradict European future, for which so many Ukrainians have sacrificed.” Why do local authorities and the LGBT community has not been able to meet each other?

– My personal opinion is that what happened in Lviv, was generously paid provocation. The organizers of this event, which, incidentally, were not from the city, deliberately going to the conflict. Looking at those who broke them, too, you can see the elements of the order. Someone needed picture anti-European Lviv to the Dutch referendum, the answer was “no.”

However, I do not want to downplay the issue, saying that in Ukraine and particularly in Lviv, everyone loves the LGBT community. No. It is one thing to fight for their rights, and the other – to show their identity so as to cause a sharp rejection of the religious people.

What purpose was the organizers? Teach tolerance of the community? If they have such a purpose for this would need no gay parades and labor helotic work to convey the idea that we are all different, each with its own identity, respectively, for all of us to live in peace.

And in this particular case, I saw a lot of wickedness, provoking pride.

– Now Ukrainians attention again focused on the struggle for the premiership. In your opinion: Is a change for the better in castling?

– I do not rule out any positive effects. It would be irresponsible to deny a priori any possible positive side castling. People are trying, people want to make a difference – let me be.

What I do not believe – is that the current team of deputies and government officials in Ukraine is ready to make a radical change in the system. I do not believe it, even being on the Maidan, seen in front of the then opposition parties that were in power today. I am grateful for the fact that they kept the Ukraine, saved her from the abyss that opened up in front of her. Honor and praise them.

But Ukraine can change only when clearly realize that this system is incorrect. A current and a government and the presidential team – people who want to save Ukraine from the old system means.

Acting by the old methods, it is possible to temporarily prevent the fall of Ukraine, but radically change the country will not work. The reforms that have been adopted, remind me of the old road patching. Something patched where it became easier to drive. But I can smell the scent of the old Soviet way, on which we are still going. In order to build a new one, you need to act radically: remove the layer completely and give a new foundation. And on it – a new canvas.

– One day, recalling the resilience and courage of Hope Savchenko, you said that “dictators are afraid more than we: it is learned all political prisoners times the resistance movement.” Can we assume that under the pressure of his fear dictator Kremlin’s prisoner release to freedom?

– The fact is that if he was spiritually strong and confident, it would long ago have released it. Strong people are not afraid that they will think about, they make decisions when they dictates of conscience.

Vladimir Putin is weak and a notorious man. It does not find the reason, the reasons for the order to release the Hope, a disaster. I’m not talking about the fact that this system does not like to let go of people. Situation, when the Soviet or kvazisovetskaya, that is the Russian system to let their victims, are unique.

– In one interview you recall that the main purpose of your conclusion at the time, and after him, was not embittered. On or in the whole world?

– This is the interrelated things. Not angry with their abusers, we can reformulate. Do not live thinking about how to take revenge. It is important. It’s one thing when you’re living with the idea of ​​justice, to restore order. Hatred, anger, negative feelings for that you do not need. You light think about how you can correct the situation.

If you think about revenge, hatred is the inevitable companion. And then you will only think about the wrongs that have been in the past. It dooms walk with his head turned in the past, not the future. I do not want it at all. I want to look to the future.

Frankly, while suffering in the camps, I believe the grace of God. Yes, it was necessary to receive calls of destiny. Yes, I stood on the brink of life and death. But it has made me a different person, I have appeared “backbone” changed world.

God never takes away from everything human. Something takes, but then bestows great. A person who is able to see it, never want to take revenge on instruments that God used.

– The war, which continues to the east – one more test. How long will our society to stop dividing people into “us”, “alien”, “Lviv”, “Donetsk”, “Kiev”?

– If we come out of a sense of revenge, then all of this will be delayed for a long time, and who knows, will there ever be peace in Ukraine.

But I can imagine a situation in which it is the regions that today cause us indignation and some malice, in certain circumstances, can become engines of development of Ukraine.

Давайте представим: справедливость восторжествовала — Крым возвращается Украине. Но возвращается он в руки не украинских чиновников, которые отчасти в ответе за сложившуюся ситуацию, а в руки настоящих хозяев этой земли — крымских татар. Я бывал в Крыму и посещал кофейни, дома, принадлежащие крымским татарам. Это же была ляля! Они так любят эту землю, что никогда не смогут ей навредить. Только те, у кого нет кровной привязанности, способны на то, что сейчас делает этническое российское или русскоязычное население. Эту землю, будь она отдана крымским татарам, мы бы не узнали. Они бы превратили её в сад.

Similarly, with the Donetsk team. I remember how during the reign of Yanukovych, I concluded: his countrymen – very dynamic, ambitious, nelenivyh people. The only negative – the wrong value basis. In a short span of time they impose on Ukraine exactly the diabolical, irregular basis.

But we put this dynamism on the right spiritual foundation, they would become the locomotive of Ukraine.

– To do this, we need reforms in education?

– In education, too. But education – this decade. And I say that we need a rebirth now. Today’s young people, in a sense, already formed. I am very much looking forward to from her, because she is not a carrier of stereotypes, the older generation.

But we still do not know how to use it. Where young people now? Where her voice in decision-making in our country? Everything is decided by adult uncle, who pushed the young people even during the Maidan, although it actually began with the youth.

This is the first generation that is not the generation of “homo Sovieticus” it will declare itself decisive action – and only then we will change.

Despite the huge number of enthusiasts during the first Maidan representatives of the new generation have not been able to express themselves. But they did it in the second, they – the second generation of the Maidan.

– Can we say that the second Maidan turned out better than the first?

– They won, so I am convinced that from this point of view, were both successful. Speaking of failure or failure, we have in mind the political consequences. But the Ukrainian Maidan were not political revolutions – it is first of all spiritual phenomena. See the spiritual changes more difficult, political – it is easier. The latter really is not enough.

Maidan The aim was to change not just the political parameters and the mentality of the vast country, of all people, from head to toe.

Some animals change their skin all at once – and Ukraine. It seemed at one point, several efforts trying this old skin to relieve himself.

This is a global change, I can only be compared with the adoption of Christianity in Russia. And living as if the “inside” of transformation, of course, it seems that “all is lost”. I am an optimist who sees the huge potential of the Ukrainian people. I was delighted with the words British expert Sherry: “Ukraine – a country with a weak state and strong civil society in Russia – a country with a strong state and a weak civil society.”.

But we still demand: “We want a strong state, as in Russia!” He will not have this. We have a different nature, we the civil society on the other spiritual foundation is necessary to put. Then the government will have to reckon with the civil society.

– How do you feel, whether the third Maidan?

– I’m afraid to call it the third Maidan, because I always hear: “Third Independence – Independence of revenge.”

I do not want revenge Maidan. I want a spiritual phenomenon. We need one more push to throw off the old skin.

– What books have impressed you so much that you are advised to read them?

– You probably expect that will call the name of a Western intellectual who writes about unlocking the meaning of life. And I find it in the Bible. I do not say, of course, you need only read it. But in this book you can always see something new. Such continuous dialogue with me and the book Mary Valltorta “Bogocholovіk”.

Shevchenko is now urgent as ever. Take now “Kobzarik” open – yes, he yells about what is happening.

Ukraine need solidarity? Read “The Three Musketeers,” Dumas. There is love, friendship, and support – all that is so necessary to us today. None of intellectual research has not made such an impression on me, as this book.

– Whom Ukrainian society should be grateful for a human rights defender and journalist Miroslav Marynovych? Who shaped you as a person?

– First of all, his mother and sister. They were my support, formed the world, given the spiritual basis of life. And yet this fellow dissidents and their relatives. I think of these people as the door closed prison cell, and I was left alone. Already there was no one to help me, not to anyone was to play the role. Nevertheless, I always thought of them, those who remained behind the scenes, and I knew I could not let them blame me for some things.

Many of these people are no longer alive. I remember them with great gratitude and thank God for what they have been in my life.

Interviewed by Anna Sinyaschik

Miroslav Marinović – dissident, human rights activist, journalist, theologian, founder of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, the organizer of amnisterskogo movement in Ukraine, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv, a member of the initiative group “First of December” and Nestorovskoy group

Sourse, 14/04/2016

The Catholic Church for the sake of ephemeral “dialogue with Moscow” missed the truth

February 15, 2016

The meeting of the Pope and the Patriarch of Moscow found epochal failures Vatican diplomats who can not look out into the real world, says Miroslav Marinović, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University, a former political prisoner, a Ukrainian human rights activist and founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group.

“Dad had an opportunity to defend the interests of the offended Russian aggression had but did not use it.”, – notes Marinovic in his article in the “Ukrainian Truth”.

He is convinced that the Cuban declaration two primates is designed so that about Russia it refers to as a region, “an unprecedented revival of the Christian faith”, where there is the opportunity to “practice their religion freely,” while the alarm appears only when it comes to other countries.

“The Cuban declaration of the Pope and the Patriarch of Moscow is a vivid illustration of several things: the indisputable victory of the FSB and the Kremlin, with all their obedient tools, to which I refer, and the Russian Orthodox Church, and the total defeat of Ukrainian public diplomacy at the Vatican and the apparent lack of it Information Service by the UGCC; helpless blindness and incompetence of the Vatican diplomacy, which is easy to confuse peaceful lexicon; and alarming failure of influential circles of Europe decode deceitful formulas Putin’s propaganda “- Marinovic said.

“That’s why I have a pain conclude on the issue of Ukraine and the Russian Catholic Church for the sake of ephemeral” dialogue with Moscow “once again missed with the truth”, – he stressed.

Joint Declaration of Pope Francis and the head of the Russian Orthodox Church Kirill (Gundyaeva) was signed at the airport in Havana February 12. Ukrainian translation posted on the site, “Vatican Radio”. The Russian version – on the site of the ROC.

Sourse, 14/02/2016

Maidan-2016 in Ukraine, is it real?

January 5, 2016

Ukraine needs to develop, rather than return to a state of Kuchma’s regime. This was stated by Ukrainian human rights activist and founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University Myroslav Marinovic.

According to him, a stalemate has to be resolved in 2016, has evolved in the Ukrainian parliament.

“I have a feeling that, in political terms, was fastened a knot that can not be cut. The main war, which implicitly is in Ukraine, a war between the oligarchs and the people reform society, who want to implement the mandate received from the Maidan. This is a power struggle, I think, in 2016 resolved “, – said the expert.

According to founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, in 2016 we should not exclude the possibility of protests.

“The government must listen to the voice of society, sounded very drastic way. But I am opposed to emotional appeals, figuratively speaking, “all on the forks.” I want this government was a political alternative, but in a democratic sense of the word. Ukraine needs to develop, rather than return to a state of Kuchma’s regime, “- says human rights activist.

At the same time, Miroslav Marinović does not believe in “the third Maidan-2016.”

“Politically there is no alternative. All these radicals such as Lyashko – is not an option. This emotion, beyond which you should not clear Ukraine’s reform program. So I would be very worried if the third Maidan seized power radicals that can destroy, but can not create anything meaningful, “- concluded Marinovic.

Sourse, 04/01/2016

Not convicted crimes comes back

September 22, 2015

Seven years in the camps and five years in exile – as Miroslav Marinović has received from the Soviet government for what was one of the founders of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group. He says he lived behind bars spiritually rich, richer lives, than it is now. Dissident and human rights activist, member of the initiative “First of December”, the vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University has recently entered into a three of the major moral authorities of Ukraine according to the magazine “New Era”. During the discussion, “Lessons of History” in Lviv Mr Marinovic spoke about the main dilemma of the Soviet era, which again becomes relevant.

– It is a struggle between the instinct of self-preservation ( “not put out because srezhut”) and the voice of conscience, the natural human desire to do good that is given to him at birth. In Soviet times, this struggle gave rise to two types of personality. The first type – people who completely obey the instinct of self-preservation – the so-called homo soveticus. People willing to hide in a crack, to protect themselves from evil. The second type – the people that won the voice of conscience, and who became dissidents and joined the resistance movement.

error dissidents

This dilemma is returned. She, like Halley’s comet, which rotates around the sun, sometimes approaching Earth. Only every new generation, every era attaches to this dilemma the new parameters. Today, it is relevant for Ukraine, and for the world. On the one hand – a security issue: how to prevent World War III? How not to annoy Putin, that he did not destroy Ukraine? And on the other, how to protect the values ​​that underpin human civilization, for which twice went Maidan? Again a struggle between the instinct of self-preservation and the call of morality.

The main reason that this dilemma is returned, is that we are not condemned the crimes of communism, not expiated his sin. Partial responsibility for this lies with the dissidents.

In the early ’90s we did not want to carry out a new Nuremberg trial. It was important not to punish past and make a new social contract. The crimes of the communist regime, it seemed to me so obvious that the Communists themselves are aware of them and want to live a new life. I compared the crimes of communism with the crime of Cain, which, as we know from the Bible, is subject only to the judgment of God. It believed that if we manage to overcome the spiritual communism, we will be able to do without formal legal judgment. That was a mistake.

communist crime turned Kuchma crimes period, a symbol which is Georgiy Gongadze. Crimes Kuchma period were not, despite the slogan of “bandits – the prison,” convicted after the Orange Revolution. Political prisoners soon became political opponents and chase them was impossible. Consequently, crimes Yanukovych Kuchma period turned into crimes, which also are still not punished and condemned. Still there are untouchables, those people that for reasons of political expediency is still justice.

error in Europe

War of 1939 started two world monster – the Nazi regime in Germany and the communist Soviet regime. They began this deadly tango together, and then one of them turned their weapons against the other, and they came together in battle.

Soviet troops invaded Finland – this is definitely the culprit. And the very soldiers deploying weapons against the Nazis, became a conquering hero. This dual role of the Soviet Union in World War II – the role of the forces started the war itself it victoriously completed – are now involves much confusion.

According to West, suffering and heroism in the “Soviet people” during the war, give a moral right not to look into the crimes of the Gulag, not to think of Stalin’s purges. So we have a double standard in the treatment of the crimes of those times. The world heard the screams of people being tortured in the cellars of the Gestapo, but heard cries of tortured NKVD.

Timothy Snyder wrote that there is a difference in the historical memory of Western and Eastern Europe. East has experienced in the twentieth century two terrible totalitarian regime, and the West must recognize and rethink it. Victory over nazism should not close our eyes to the other side of the Soviet regime – criminal. “Can a prisoner who died in Vorkuta, to be happy, that died in Dachau?” – he wrote the Polish philosopher Leszek Kolakowski.

After the fall of the Third Reich in Germany held a hearing. After the fall of the Polish People’s Republic Voytseh Yaruzelsky also appeared before the court, though he was promised immunity. However, in the early 90’s the Germans tried to convince me: “Do not do Nuremberg-2, it is not necessary!”. Even more than once at the German-Ukrainian readings – and this was the time when Viktor Yushchenko finally raised to the national level the issue of Holodomor – the whole German delegation attacked the Ukrainians: “What are you doing Why raise this topic it not? realize that it mocks Russia, you’ll have new challenges? “.

So, the rule of law has worked in Europe, but she tried to block or at least delay a similar process in the post-Soviet space. These delays have led to what is already current generation must pay the price for the communist crimes. It seems to me that Heavenly hundreds, and soldiers killed at the front – the victim of what communism was not convicted in a timely manner. And part of the responsibility for what is happening today in Ukraine is on Europe.

Sourse, 21/09/2015

The formula of struggle

August 22, 2015

As a dissident Miroslav Marinović, who was convicted by a Soviet court for lying and anti-Soviet propaganda, it became one of the most influential people in today’s Ukraine and the head of one of the best universities.

In the Perm prison, a group of prisoners as a heated argument with a supervisor. Parties clearly do not find a common language. And then passed them prisoner. “Oh, so he will not lie! Come, please!” – refers to the prisoner overseer Miroslav Marinović. The irony lies in the fact that the Ukrainian dissident who had the reputation in prison honest and uncompromising man was sentenced for lying and anti-Soviet agitation.

Marinovic, known as an anti-Soviet, Soviet special services and a cheat, really would lie not. Being on the side of truth – his credo. Since the end of 1960 – even from his student years – the principles of life and a heightened sense of justice forced him to defend the rights in a regulated framework of the Soviet regime the country.

he said that even in the most terrible moments when he thought he was dying, never regretted his position. “Good does not win every battle, but winning the war – now says Marinovic – This perspective was in me from the beginning. I’ll be on the side of good, even if I lose.”

Now Marinovic stands good in the Ukrainian Catholic University (UCU), which is cited as the most progressive universities in the country. He – the permanent vice-rector of the institution, which is just 13 years of existence, has become one of the best sites for the training of journalists and business executives. According to international research firm Hay Group, UCU among the top five Ukrainian universities, whose popularity is growing rapidly.

In addition, the dissident works in the so-called Nestorovskoy group that develops after euromaidan vision of Ukraine’s mission. The document, which happens as a result, will form the basis of the country strategy. A similar experience in intellectual is already there: in the early 2000s, he developed a similar document for the city, which as a result has helped him become one of the most successful Russian cities.

The right to the word

At the time of the conclusion – seven years in prison and five years of exile – Marinovic was only 27 years old. By the time he has already weighed in dissident circles of Ukraine, as well as an impressive list of sins in the folder of the KGB investigators.

Collect dirt on the young Ukrainian nationalist state security began in the years of his studies at the Lviv Polytechnic, where he had the imprudence to criticize the Soviet system. The first serious warning Marinovic was in 1973, when with friends laid flowers at the monument to Taras Shevchenko in Kiev. “Crime” was that he paid tribute to the officially recognized poet, who died in Russia, on May 22 – the day of his reburial in Ukraine. The commemoration of that date, the Soviet secret service was considered a manifestation of nationalism.

With Shevchenko linked another case, glorified Marynovych far outside dissident circles. In 1976, he and his friend Nikolay Matusevich during the celebration of another anniversary of the day Shevchenko’s birth, which took place in the Kiev Philharmonic, took the stage and sang Zapovit. The official program, which consisted of songs about “how good to live in a Soviet country,” and read the diary of Shevchenko in Russian, the main product of Ukrainian poet not included.

“The evening was held in Russian, and it was a slap in the face to all Ukrainian,” – explains our original Marinovic indignation: he just could not tolerate such abuse. After leaving the stage, he is a bit made secure by saying that Zapovit Shevchenko loved to Vladimir Lenin. However, the safety net has not helped. When he began to play the piano, one who arranges concerts shouted: “The concert is over!” But the audience picked up Zapovit, and when turned off the light, began to sing louder.

“It was a complete defeat of those who ran and screamed that the concert is over,” – says Marinovic.

When it was over, out of the Philharmonic Friends feared, besides the entrance stood a car, and they assumed that it sit gebisty. But right there were people who came to the concert. They surrounded the brave men and conducted to the subway.

Then the KGB Marynovych not touched. “I’m happy to have been involved in at this point – he speaks of those events is now -. Such gestures have to be among the nations, they must be equal to the Ukrainians, because it maintains people in some valuable positions, gives examples of courage.”

Arrested a young dissident in 1977. “Early in the morning the doorbell rang insistently, – recalls the day the arrest of Tamil Matusevich, the sister of his best friend Marynovych, in the apartment where they lived then -. At first, we did not open, because they understood who came, but they rang and rang.”

To arrest he was ready. By the time Marinovic was already six months in the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, human rights activities. Then there was only ten brave men who gathered evidence of violations of the rights of compatriots and tried to establish the accreditation of foreign journalists in Kyiv.

“It was the dethronement of the Soviet myth, in which millions of people believed in the west, – says about the activities of the Helsinki Group Iosif Zisels, dissident, who was also a member -. We have shown that beautiful façade lying behind him – blood and crime.”

However, the Soviet court interpreted these activities under the anti-Soviet agitation and propaganda and denounced Marynovych the maximum sentence – seven years in prison.

In the camp among the political, he quickly began to enjoy prestige, says Oles Shevchenko, who was imprisoned with Marinovic (later was a member of the Verkhovna Rada of I convocation), “came to him, to solve a conflict, difficult situation or just for advice” .

Shevchenko recalls the joint celebration of Easter in 1981. On the eve of the guards warned the prisoners that the religious rite forbidden. “But we brought bread from the dining room, and in the barracks we had jam and sunflower oil – says Shevchenko -. Of these, we blinded the passover.” For this freedom of all prisoners then sent to a punishment cell.

However Marinovic not silent: he wrote a letter to the Pope on violations of the rights of believers in Soviet prisons. “Write it was impossible, so he” wrote “his head – says Shevchenko -. And then transferred to the paper and handed it to chance.”

Surprisingly, Marynovych letter to the pontiff came, and he even held a prayer service in support of Soviet political prisoners.

Varlam Shalamov, the last Stalinist camps, wrote about them as a place where the “dehumanization”. Marinovic, on the other hand, recalls his life behind barbed wire as a time of intense spiritual growth. Firstly, in the camp, he said, he had gathered a brilliant intellectual society, including writers Nikolai Rudenko and Eugene Sverstyuk poet Zenoviy Krasivskaya.

Under their influence Marinovic started writing poems in prison, and prepared a book of the Gospel of God’s fool, who released after release. Now he argues that it is in detention found faith in God.

God willing

Return Marynovych to Ukraine coincided with the beginning of perestroika. Then he began to study theology. First there were articles on inter-church peacefulness in the newspaper of the city of Drohobych, where he settled after the conclusion. “The end of the ’80s – it was a time of religious conflicts, – he explains the choice of the theme -. I have suffered from it, I saw it absurd, unwise and unpatriotic, prejudicial to the independence of Ukraine.”

Marynovych later invited to read lectures about the history of religion in Drohobych Pedagogical University. But after studying the course of history of religion in the United States, he established and headed the Institute of Religion and Society at the Lviv Theological Academy.

In parallel, he begins to work in the department of Ukrainian Association of Amnesty International and shrugs off suggestions go into politics – he repeatedly offered to run for the MPs. Marynovych not even managed to persuade his friend, Vyacheslav Chornovil, a dissident and political prisoner, and later – the founder of the People’s Movement of Ukraine.

Now Marinovic busy that loves – scientific work at UCU. Lectures, he does not read, but from time to time speaks to students with special inspiring “sermons”. “He – our living conscience, – said Otar Dovzhenko, a journalist and professor of journalism of the university -. His presence will ensure that the Criminal Code there is no corruption, no gotchas.”

When Marinovic UCU has become one of the most dynamic universities in the country – it is constantly evolving, says journalist and media expert Evgeny Hlibovytsky, worked with Marinovic first in Univskoy group, which developed the vision of Lvov, and now – in Nestorovskoy group, which is working on a strategic vision of Ukraine.

“The group Univskoy he did an unimaginable amount of work, – enthusiastically tells Hlibovytsky -. And such a man of his status can be neglected is his religious setting Marinovic did not want to practice arrogance…”

Many familiar with it people talk about his amazing honesty and inner freedom. And talking to HB, Marinovic remembered the story of how the nearly renounced his beliefs. It was in Kiev in the early ’70s. Young Marinovic a long time could not get a job because of the intervention of the KGB. Once he was an acquaintance invited to try on a prestigious location – the editorial board of the Soviet Ukrainian Encyclopedia.

“And I’m going to an interview and say to myself, in a whisper, that if I would take on the job, May 22 at the monument to Shevchenko will not go” – is now recognized Marinovic.

He is now with shame recalls the case and adds that it is convinced that no compromise will not survive – a characteristic feature of the Soviet man. This way of thinking is still working, and that he is the reason that the country can not change radically, he says in the conclusion of the conversation. The problem of the fate of the country today for Marynovych – the most important.

Sourse, 21/08/2015

About Ukrainian education reforms and things which really unites and divides the people of one country

May 19, 2015

Miroslav Marinović, Ukrainian human rights activist and scholar of religion, founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group and organizer amnisterskogo movement in Ukraine, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv. A man whose opinions heard. Probably, most of the democratic parties of Ukraine would like to see Miroslav Francovich on their lists, but for the most Marynovych success is not measured by the steps of the career ladder. One of the most influential Ukrainians told Politeka of Ukrainian education reforms and that really unites and divides the people of a country.

Miroslav Francovich first met with the KGB in the university years – for criticizing the Soviet policy. In 27 years, Miroslav Marinović has become a founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, and since then has come under constant surveillance. And then – the charges of anti-Soviet agitation and propaganda, imprisonment and exile, 150 days in a punishment cell, and hunger strikes.

This time Miroslav Francovich refers to one of the brightest periods of his life, because that is the conclusion made, according to a human rights activist, as “the man with the backbone.” Regularly refusing all offers to enter parliament, according to its mission involvement in changing the mentality of people and speech to parliament prefers to communicate with young people.

Politeka: Independence, volunteering, united opposition of the enemy Ukrainians, but can we say that we really become one? whether society needs, in your opinion, in the transformations, or the path to unity can be considered passed?

M. Marinovic: We discussed a lot about this in Nestorovskoy group, and came to the conclusion that a nation has already been created, and now it needs to be upgraded. This problem was I could be formulated differently. On the Independence, and especially during the war with Russia, a nation united common problem and a common desire to protect themselves from the enemy. It is a powerful unifying force. But the war end sooner or later – and then what? In other words, we need to rapidly develop a positive concept of a single state, so that the people united around shared values, which are so powerfully voiced Maidan: human dignity, national and religious freedom, the rule of law, public morality and social justice. Public demand for these values ​​is – do not have enough faith in what we can for them to become successful.

Politeka: Ukraine is now going through a very difficult time, which was the legacy of a paternalistic state, in which we have lived for so long. You travel a lot, and, in your opinion, if there is Ukrainians – on both sides of the Dnieper River – a desire to return to a usable form of life as paternalism?

M. Marinovic: Actually, we are from a paternalistic state has not yet emerged. Of course, society has changed significantly compared with Soviet times, but a chronic state management system is not dismantled. We still make the “hole course” repair the old Soviet way. Oligarchic system abuses paternalistic instincts of the population does not develop small and medium-sized businesses – that is, precisely those who overcame a paternalistic stereotypes. Therefore, Ukraine has not yet sounded the march “Farewell of Slav”, but the truth and that we are already very close to this. But regional differences are insignificant, and sometimes in Dnepropetrovsk can be found a more dynamic business elite than in Galicia.

Politeka: In his publications and interviews You’re saying that the Ukrainians are united East and West, they have the same expectations and aspirations. But why, in that case, there is a conflict where the line that divides people?

M. Marinovic: The border does exist, but it is mobile. In the early 1990s, it was held on Zbruch. While in Galicia were intensive processes of ideological and religious restructuring – then point the finger at Galicia as a region with an expressive “inflammation”. Presidential and parliamentary elections later times indicated that this boundary initially approached the Dnieper, then spread through him and to “win” the north of Ukraine. Then he stopped, having fenced off a so-called South East. Today, “inflammation” is precisely in this part of the country. Gone was the homogeneity of the local political orientations, once a single monolith disintegrated into fragments, which are active – in pain and agony – looking for a new identity. Technically, one could say that the occupied territories of the Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk regions just passed a new frontier, but this conclusion may be premature. Nobody spent here independent surveys, and the consequences of the occupation for many may be unexpected. Therefore, we will not jump to conclusions, let us instead build a free and democratic Ukraine – and let God do the rest.

Politeka: Besides the fact that different regions of Ukraine are carriers of different ideologies, they speak at least two languages. Periodically there talk of “non-discrimination of the Russian language.” A striking example – “language law” Kolesnichenko-Kivalov, which could exacerbate the division of society. Euromaidan virtually removed this item from the agenda, but the problem remained. Which can reduce the degree of confrontation and, if possible, remove the language issue? And whether it is necessary Ukraine approved at the state level bilingualism?

M. Marinovic: Model of two state languages ​​in Ukraine is bad, and therefore unacceptable. It is not conducive to the public understanding, but on the contrary, it would be complicating. It’s like that line up on the stadium runners on long distances on the same starting line, ignoring the fact that they then have to run different distances. This ostentatious justice that turns into a lie. Because of the long period Russification Ukrainian language has to “run” at a much greater range and therefore legal handicap should be mandatory for it. But the language problem actually is an instrument of the evil policies when for “bilingualism” the idea of ​​hiding the idea of ​​Russian monolingualism in the already non-Ukrainian state. Moses Fishbein well remarked, saying: “The danger is not in the fact that Russian will become the second state, and that the state would become the second Russian. ” Independence has twice confirmed that when people are equally defend the Ukrainian statehood and dignity, the voltage of the language problem simply disappears.

Politeka: There is much talk about the fact that reforms and promises are not met, does not change anything at all. People are starting to get tired. Do you think that’s what the Ukrainians can cause disappointment in what is happening in the country?

M. Marinovic: The other day I had an interesting conversation with an American who knows the Ukraine. It is not surprising slowness of reforms and maximalism of Ukrainians who want at a time “to jump to Heaven” and not able to see those real changes that are already transforming their lives. Here it harms not just the desire for more and utopian hope that everything can change quickly, and psychological fatigue, if everything does not happen immediately. But the Anglo-Saxons, according to my companion, well aware that the long journey can be overcome only small but successful steps. Therefore, we must believe in the Ukraine, and keep in mind that these steps do not have to “someone in Kiev”, but we ourselves.

Politeka: One way or another, but quite most of the news and conversations are now feykovye. Staged events, rumors, subjectivity (subjectivity especially influential persons), the emotions and the absence of a critical attitude to the news – all these factors affect the information field and, accordingly, those who follow him. We are all aware of the propaganda machine of the Russian Federation, but why produce false Ukrainian opinion leaders, consciously designed it? How to resist the lies?

M. Marinovic: Lie there for as long as humanity exists. This utopia – to think that you can get rid of it. But the feature of present-day time becomes a man’s inability to distinguish between truth and lies – and this is a great danger. Previously, the Soviet regime was forced to put the jammers, because people had enough to hear the voice of the free world – and they recognize the truth. Today, Putin’s regime jammers are not necessary – people already zombified so that it is not able to distinguish truth from falsehood. It is because our goal – to restore to the people the proper value basis, which is able to save the situation.

Politeka: How do you assess the establishment of the Anti-Corruption Bureau? Do I need to lyustrirovat officials stole millions from the budget, or whether they need to be immediately judged?

M. Marinovic: Ukraine must act the rule of law. This means that the abuse of power crime must be punished. The question is how it is, depends on the seriousness of the crime: someone needed lyustrirovat, and someone – a judge. Justice must also be sensitive to genuine repentance and be able to distinguish it from evil justifications “Kolyadniki-judges.”

Politeka: A very important question of education in Ukraine. How do you see Ukrainian higher education in five years? Which universities will remain, which will be closed due to reforms and conscious choice of students? What, in your opinion, should be changed in the system of higher education?

M. Marinovic: This question can not be answered in one sentence. The Soviet system of higher education also powerfully acted paternalism: universities have been selected freedom, instead of the state, “spoon-feed”. With this must be dealt with. Universities should receive tangible autonomy, thus becoming responsible for their status and level of education. You have to be prepared for the fact that to find a new balanced system of European education in Ukraine will not be easy – it takes time and proactive educators. But this way we must go.

Interviewed by Alla Bakr

Sourse, 18/05/2015

Decommunisation laws of Ukraine: it is necessary to go ahead

May 8, 2015

The President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko has to sign laws decommunisation. Indignation of some of the population will, in any case, but can not always look at the past.

This is a comment IA ZIK said human rights activist, journalist, theologian, founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv, Miroslav Marinović.

“I do know that these laws need to sign, implement them and do not look at those who will always cling to the past. We must go forward, “- he stressed.

According to Miroslav Marynovych, Russia spends a lot of money to Ukraine arose public indignation at about decommunisation laws. Thus, a certain part of the population is dissatisfied with the matter, Poroshenko to sign these laws or not.

“I do not exclude that the president waits until May 9. But, anyway, will be provocations. However, without doubt, the law must be signed. We have more than 20 years, we looked at those for whom it may be a trauma. As a result, they not only did not appreciate this gesture, and vice versa – have done everything to “invite” Russia and make us a semblance of civil war, “- said human rights activist.

Recall, April 9 Rada endorsed the draft law “On the condemnation of the Communist and National Socialist (Nazi) totalitarian regimes and ban their symbolism propaganda» (number 2558).

The law defines criminal Communist and Nazi regimes, which have claimed millions of Ukrainians. In Ukraine, introduced the responsibility for advocating Communist and Nazi regimes and the public use of their symbolism.

Production, distribution and use of Communist symbols, anthems of the USSR and the Ukrainian SSR shall be punished by restriction of freedom for up to five years, or imprisonment.

Also established procedures and deadlines for renaming objects that are “communist” name. On the streets of Ukrainian cities will take away the symbols and monuments that glorify the totalitarian regime functionaries.

Sourse, 07/05/2015

About Putin, remains of Soviet thinking and freedom of the nation

April 18, 2015

Vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University (UCU), human rights activist and theologian, founder of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, Miroslav Marinović – one of those people who are considered moral authorities era. He modestly calls himself an optimist, and a happy person, because the Ukraine, for which he has fought since the 70s, gained statehood, independence and freedom in his eyes.

Marinovic sooner became a dissident: 27 years, he was among the founders of the Helsinki Human Rights Group, and a year later for the unauthorized reading from the Kiev Conservatory scene poem Taras Shevchenko Zapovit sent him to seven years in a strict-regime camp and another five years in exile.

Later in his book The Gospel of God’s fool Marinovic he wrote that in the camp, despite all the hardships, it was much easier than, for example, in the Soviet army. Paradoxically, the free people in the USSR, he found behind the barbed wire, and not outside it.

In the 90 Marinovic he engaged in human rights activities, and participated in public life and at the same time repeatedly refused a political career and fame.

Today, 66-year-old theologian engaged in favorite business – working with students and formulates his own deep religious understanding of the processes taking place in Ukraine.

We meet in the main building of UCU in Lviv, in a small room in the attic of the building. In his office, littered with books and pictures, smells good freshly made coffee. Offering a traditional welcome drink Lviv, Marinovic moves closer to the table and plunged into the conversation.

Independence and war – is the next stage of growth in freedom. Naturally, we are facing in this process with growing pains. Dignity revolution gave us national solidarity – people came to the square every man for himself, and returned to the nation area. But we still do not fully understand the freedom and do not know how to use it.

It is a long and difficult process, but we want everything at once, and this results in a talk about the third Maidan. I am sure that in our power to have no enemies of the Ukrainian state, which means that there is no need to revolt. Maidan – that is our freedom, but our democracy. Today we have to learn how to create persistent political groups to defend their interests.

Frequent change of power at the same time should not frighten us. During the test, and government crises are changing rapidly, because people’s needs are changing. For example, in post-war Italy changed its authority every six months, and over the country while laughing the whole of Europe, but it was an important step in achieving the growth of freedom.

Creating a nation for a year, now we have to modernize it. This means to get rid of the Soviet paternalistic management model. The current government until it is difficult for – all they want to do everything to give. But in a country where there is war and ruined the economy it is impossible. You need to let go of people and to be honest we can not provide you, but it will create conditions for you to help yourself.

I am absolutely not afraid of the emergence in Ukraine of several centers of political influence. The main thing is that they did not divide the country issues civilizational choice – between Russia and Europe. And I’m wondering if there are any in popular support for the ex-governor of the Dnipropetrovsk region Igorya Kolomoyskogo all the same manifestations of paternalism: that someone strong solve the problem for us? And maybe the same principle we follow in our European choice? Once the Soviet Union and Russia have discredited themselves, we will go to the EU?

Each time, growing in freedom, we have to ask ourselves these questions. Otherwise, the risk is great to choose Europe, not realizing that we choose.

In vain you think that the Soviet way of thinking only in the east but not in Galicia. For example, garbage lustration – people happily rushed to administer lynch bad officials, throwing them in the trash. And this is after the dignity of the revolution, where we fought against the degradation of man, for the rule of law.

I’m back here in Galicia, say you that our courts do not know? We – the little people, and we did not achieve justice. This is the manifestation of Soviet thinking. We still do not believe in their capabilities, by virtue of the joint action. And because any number we can call ourselves anti-Communist ideology, but to show their business these ideas. Not only grow in freedom, it is important to grow in morality.

The deepest biblical revelation for me: the Promised Land can be attained only when disappear those who remember the taste of slavery in Egypt. I would like to say that we can get rid of the Soviet past, but I can not. In this great and sad lesson for Ukraine. Maidan generation – it is people with different levels of assimilation of freedom, but they appeared only after almost 20 years of independence, and these people are still too few in power. We will have to wait until the grow another generation that will fall behind the current one.

Moses meaning of 40 years in that society begins to speak the same language, see a common goal. And that’s just at this moment the prophet led people to sacred Mount Sinai. Our Sinai is yet to come.

I judge by the way behaves in our leadership, and realize that they are on the brink. People in government understand that they needed to be in power for long, because now it is important to learn in a civilized and responsible to transmit and receive power.

Preferred Position Ukrainians – to be on the side of truth, and all the time to check yourself in it . This makes it possible to survive even in a desperate situation. I remember another young first came to Moscow. Snow-covered town, a powerful imperial grandeur. Then I thought, and I decided to oppose this force? And then I met a well-known dissident General Pyotr Grigorenko and knew I wanted to be a strong and sincere with. And this feeling – that the truth is not outside the Kremlin walls, and these weak, but honest people – gave me the strength and peace of mind even in camps, under threat of death.

During the years of independence, the Russians lost the ability to distinguish between good and evil. Remember, in the Soviet era in the way of information from the West to the Soviet listeners were “jammers”? But people still understand intuitively what is true. And now “jammers” No, but it destroyed the propaganda value of any information. All deep archaic instincts – blood, revenge, death – are used to deprive people of the ability to distinguish good. This is the biggest tragedy.

Previously, the Russians were capable of empathy. But in Soviet times there was a rigidity, anger and slavish submission. Man looking like themselves justify, and therefore shows the hatred of those who are the cause of his own weakness. The fact that the Russians now do not like the Ukrainians and believe the propaganda, there is this component, “Look, they escaped, got rid of their king, and we can not.” This humiliation is transformed into hatred, and sends them to war.

Putin in this war can only be stopped by force. If Ukraine has received a lethal weapon, it would be a red line. The Kremlin would have realized that further means war situation can not be controlled. On the other hand, I have the feeling that God has given us today this fragile truce balance that we find non-obvious response to the situation. After each party, acting in its own logic, leads humanity to a third world war. How to prevent this? Where is this unusual time? Perhaps, in this dispensation for Ukraine – to escape, finding a solution?

I understand very well Hope Savchenko, her hunger strike – is a way to stay human. She, like Gogol’s hero, must outline the circle around itself, so that no evil force there has not penetrated, and the hunger strike she did. I and many of my comrades, starving in the camps were well aware that the so-totalitarian power never win. But to put a barrier between you and the power, for which you are a grain of sand – to prisoner of conscience is an important point.

Protection of human rights and the Christian faith does not get along very harmoniously in me. But the issue of choice, I do not take tragic. I do not remember any stage of his life, where such a choice would not exist. It is important not to destroy the main principle of faith – the love of God through the love of a man. If I give the privilege doctrine, injuring a person, it is wrong. But at the same time, I will always look for an opportunity to hold doctrines, without harming the person – it’s my Christian mission.

5 questions Miroslav Marinović:

– An event that you consider important in your life?

– The decision to join the Ukrainian Helsinki Group.

– What is your favorite city?

– I love the Lions, and I feel good and comfortable in Kiev. It is a city that I was saying goodbye from the car windows, taking me to the camp. And there Drohobych – the city of my childhood.

– What do you get around the city?

– Before the tram, and now because of old age to and from work gives me a university car.

– What is your monthly cost of living?

– Honestly, I do not even use all of his salary. My wife and I help a lot of relatives and friends, to circumvent minimum requirements. I think today that at least 6-8 thousand. UAH.

– What do you seek?

– I was a little worried about career, I feel very comfortable, Vice-Rector and never wanted to be a rector or a politician. More important to me not to make a career, but to be on the good side.

Sourse, 17/04/2015

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It should not be ruled out that violence, terrorist attacks and killings will become the new law of life

December 21, 2016

After the analysis of the terrible events in Aleppo, the world’s terrorist attacks and demonstration killings, it appears that the main and perhaps the main argument of the modern world has become violent.

Violence was originally the shadow of a human life, it is inherent in human nature. Remember his first manifestation – the murder of Abel by Cain. Even then, it is harmoniously entered the life of the world and became co-exist with humans.

Another thing – there have been ebbs and flows of violence. Thus, a positive period of the postwar period was after the Second World War, when humanity said to myself: «newer again» (never again – trans.). Then the world was set up to ensure that never again allow a military nightmare. Then he took a major turning point, which I appreciate as a category of zero-sum and added value.

That is, the principle of zero-sum – is “an eye for an eye,” or “I won and you lost.” It’s a formula that involves violence basis. In turn, the principle of value added – is the principle of cooperation (for the participants get more on cooperation than on the single).

After the war, European civilization adopted the principles of added value and pushed all the antagonisms that have been in Europe before. It seemed forever pushed. But it so happened, as we would.

“With a light hand,” Putin’s violence is back in our lives.

The Russian president has decided to turn the chessboard and make Europe a new force redivision of the world. Unfortunately, this principle has become contagious: many nations become agitated and began to act selfishly, not as agreed earlier.

Of course, in this situation, a lot of the blame lies with the Brussels bureaucracy as cooperation formula, which they offer, often does not satisfy the people. Therefore, the “fashion” to force to resolve the problems returned. Therefore, we should not exclude that violence, acts of terror and murder will become the new law of life.

And it gives me a great disappointment, because I thought that humanity has become much wiser.

Sourse, 20/12/2017

Let’s change the rules of the game and become successful, otherwise we devour Bolshevik mood

November 12, 2016

November 10-11 in Lviv hosts international congress of dissidents and II Crimean forum. The event is timed to the 40th anniversary of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group – association of human rights defenders, who fought against human rights violations in the Soviet Union. Talk about Congress dissidents to one of its organizers – co-founder of UHG, dissident, pro-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University Miroslavom Marinovichem.

In Ukraine, there is a possibility of a new Maidan, but such an event – it is the will of the Holy Spirit, not man. Such an opinion in an interview with «LB.ua» stated Miroslav Marinović.

“The threat is there, but I still want to believe in the natural intuition of Ukrainians. And secondly, I believe that the Maidan – the will of the Holy Spirit, not man. Here Mustafa Nye wrote in Facebook «come to the Maidan,” and people came. Well, now let write … And nothing will happen. See, it’s not because Nye wrote, “- said Marinovic.

He added that Ukraine is on the verge of great changes.

“I really believed that the second Maidan will be the last, after which everything goes forward. Now I see what is not. After such a huge edifice, as the Ukraine, it is difficult to change. A huge car you can not turn as “Zaporozhets”. I believe there will be more ups, only ask God that they were not violent. We had two successful Maidana (we done to them, that’s another issue). But they were successful, because it was the right thing. When there is violence – forget about the support of the Holy Spirit “- Marinovic said.

However, he expressed confidence that the union dissidents in Ukraine in any organization or party is unrealistic.

“This is absolutely unrealistic, and reminds me of the traditional reproach to the initiative group of the First of December -” You are, do some treatment, but why do not you take to work? Why will not the political organization, the party? Young will help you. ” No! It is older people who barely make themselves come to the meeting, and that is not all. This is impossible even to speak. Among them are many weak “- Marinovic said.

Sourse, 11/11/2016

While suffering in the camps, I believe the grace of God

April 15, 2016

Vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv, a founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, Miroslav Marinović told why he was grateful to the Soviet camp, what Putin’s weakness, and why we can not allow a third Maidan – Maidan revenge.

– In your biography there is an interesting fact: in February 1987, while in exile in Kazakhstan, you have refused to petition for clemency. Why?

– In 1987, Gorbachev had to somehow solve the problem of political prisoners. This issue has been a thorn in its relations with the West, and he wanted to get rid of it. But it was necessary to do it nicely, to present everything as “workers’ request.” Therefore, the delegation traveled to the ends of the Union, to persuade people to write letters about his repentance. In this case, the chance to go free were very high.

But when to me was such a delegation, I did not yet know. It looked like this: I came to a group of prosecutors, government officials, the KGB officers, who say: “Write an application, and you immediately released.” I laughed and said: “Listen, I have not written this statement at the beginning of his term, when well understood that if I write, I would be freed That is, I could never sit whole life And now, when I two years of exile left.. you want to buy me in the same sentence – write and you will be released, I will not write anything, all right? “.

And they ask: “Would you please give a written denial?” I was surprised, shrugged his shoulders and say, of course. And he wrote, why can not file a petition for clemency. As it turned out, it was important to get a piece of paper. “Received a letter.” My failure as failures of other dissidents who were perceived as referring to the system.

Later, I was very surprised to learn that at about the same situation was, and the patriarch Joseph Blind – and this despite the fact that he was a prisoner to the other, the Stalinist era. He also asked to state their refusal in writing, which he did. KGB methods do not change.

– Time passes, and the system does not change?

– Rapidly changing external signs, ideology, but the essence remains the lowlands. And selective justice Yanukovych – a selective Soviet justice.

And what it cost to provide medical care in the camps: if you serve the system – you will be treated if you struggle with the system – you may, for example, to open the seal, put there arsenic, and then leave and not to return to the seal closed. And this is only a small bar.

And what about the case where the doctor refused to provide medical assistance to the Russian poet Viktor Nekipelov because in addition to the chest was a cross. He was in a very serious condition, and I gave him a pectoral cross. Victor was grateful to me. A doctor came – and recoiled simply: “No, let him heal you, and I will not be treated.” The name of that “Aesculapius” Pchelnikov. He, I think, would be sitting in the dock during the Nuremberg-2, if there was such a tribunal.

– In one of your speeches you talked about the fact that all crises – economic, political – one source – the human spirit crisis. I have to say is now appropriate that the peak of the crisis on the Ukrainian society is left behind?

– No, the crisis continues to grow. Ukrainian society has made very important things – I’m talking about the Maidan. I highly appreciate the spiritual significance of the Maidan. But in Ukrainian history as it was before: we are much easier to fight for the values ​​than to live in accordance with them.

I remember how impressed Maidan. If you ended up in paradise, where you love everyone and everything – you, and you are convinced of this. You can come to anyone, to say a few words and get an incredible dose of love, care, all the light. On the Independence it was possible, and then they returned to the usual system of coordinates. Many on itself felt, as when “one is a warrior” – about how to steal and steal as demanded bribes and demand, perhaps now even in larger sizes. Evil has become very aggressive. It feels like it is coming to an end.

So we need that there be at least a small group of people, who said: we do not care, we win the election or not, it is important to bring the public a new model of behavior and to implement this model by their actions, deeds and decisions. Only then can we say that the crisis had passed.

– What is missing for the emergence of such a group?

– If you think spiritual category, lacking confidence in each other. And if sociologically-public, we do not lack the solidarity in familiar circumstances. We know how to be united on the Maidan. But under normal circumstances, when you are surrounded by wicked people like to be in solidarity? We see the blackness of each, and people see our blackness.

This is our weakness and a problem: we are ready to live in solidarity, but only with perfect people. And sinners be solidarity we can not, and they therefore do not know how. Vicious circle. We expect a saint, as a result of wallowing in a wicked whirlpool. It is a spiritual problem.

– How to solve it?

– We are all sinners by definition. Lord hopes that realizing it, we can find a way to trust, mutual respect and understanding.

– By the way, of understanding. Commenting on the recent incident with the prohibition of LGBT festival, US ambassador Dzheffri Payett stated that “intolerance in Lviv contradict European future, for which so many Ukrainians have sacrificed.” Why do local authorities and the LGBT community has not been able to meet each other?

– My personal opinion is that what happened in Lviv, was generously paid provocation. The organizers of this event, which, incidentally, were not from the city, deliberately going to the conflict. Looking at those who broke them, too, you can see the elements of the order. Someone needed picture anti-European Lviv to the Dutch referendum, the answer was “no.”

However, I do not want to downplay the issue, saying that in Ukraine and particularly in Lviv, everyone loves the LGBT community. No. It is one thing to fight for their rights, and the other – to show their identity so as to cause a sharp rejection of the religious people.

What purpose was the organizers? Teach tolerance of the community? If they have such a purpose for this would need no gay parades and labor helotic work to convey the idea that we are all different, each with its own identity, respectively, for all of us to live in peace.

And in this particular case, I saw a lot of wickedness, provoking pride.

– Now Ukrainians attention again focused on the struggle for the premiership. In your opinion: Is a change for the better in castling?

– I do not rule out any positive effects. It would be irresponsible to deny a priori any possible positive side castling. People are trying, people want to make a difference – let me be.

What I do not believe – is that the current team of deputies and government officials in Ukraine is ready to make a radical change in the system. I do not believe it, even being on the Maidan, seen in front of the then opposition parties that were in power today. I am grateful for the fact that they kept the Ukraine, saved her from the abyss that opened up in front of her. Honor and praise them.

But Ukraine can change only when clearly realize that this system is incorrect. A current and a government and the presidential team – people who want to save Ukraine from the old system means.

Acting by the old methods, it is possible to temporarily prevent the fall of Ukraine, but radically change the country will not work. The reforms that have been adopted, remind me of the old road patching. Something patched where it became easier to drive. But I can smell the scent of the old Soviet way, on which we are still going. In order to build a new one, you need to act radically: remove the layer completely and give a new foundation. And on it – a new canvas.

– One day, recalling the resilience and courage of Hope Savchenko, you said that “dictators are afraid more than we: it is learned all political prisoners times the resistance movement.” Can we assume that under the pressure of his fear dictator Kremlin’s prisoner release to freedom?

– The fact is that if he was spiritually strong and confident, it would long ago have released it. Strong people are not afraid that they will think about, they make decisions when they dictates of conscience.

Vladimir Putin is weak and a notorious man. It does not find the reason, the reasons for the order to release the Hope, a disaster. I’m not talking about the fact that this system does not like to let go of people. Situation, when the Soviet or kvazisovetskaya, that is the Russian system to let their victims, are unique.

– In one interview you recall that the main purpose of your conclusion at the time, and after him, was not embittered. On or in the whole world?

– This is the interrelated things. Not angry with their abusers, we can reformulate. Do not live thinking about how to take revenge. It is important. It’s one thing when you’re living with the idea of ​​justice, to restore order. Hatred, anger, negative feelings for that you do not need. You light think about how you can correct the situation.

If you think about revenge, hatred is the inevitable companion. And then you will only think about the wrongs that have been in the past. It dooms walk with his head turned in the past, not the future. I do not want it at all. I want to look to the future.

Frankly, while suffering in the camps, I believe the grace of God. Yes, it was necessary to receive calls of destiny. Yes, I stood on the brink of life and death. But it has made me a different person, I have appeared “backbone” changed world.

God never takes away from everything human. Something takes, but then bestows great. A person who is able to see it, never want to take revenge on instruments that God used.

– The war, which continues to the east – one more test. How long will our society to stop dividing people into “us”, “alien”, “Lviv”, “Donetsk”, “Kiev”?

– If we come out of a sense of revenge, then all of this will be delayed for a long time, and who knows, will there ever be peace in Ukraine.

But I can imagine a situation in which it is the regions that today cause us indignation and some malice, in certain circumstances, can become engines of development of Ukraine.

Давайте представим: справедливость восторжествовала — Крым возвращается Украине. Но возвращается он в руки не украинских чиновников, которые отчасти в ответе за сложившуюся ситуацию, а в руки настоящих хозяев этой земли — крымских татар. Я бывал в Крыму и посещал кофейни, дома, принадлежащие крымским татарам. Это же была ляля! Они так любят эту землю, что никогда не смогут ей навредить. Только те, у кого нет кровной привязанности, способны на то, что сейчас делает этническое российское или русскоязычное население. Эту землю, будь она отдана крымским татарам, мы бы не узнали. Они бы превратили её в сад.

Similarly, with the Donetsk team. I remember how during the reign of Yanukovych, I concluded: his countrymen – very dynamic, ambitious, nelenivyh people. The only negative – the wrong value basis. In a short span of time they impose on Ukraine exactly the diabolical, irregular basis.

But we put this dynamism on the right spiritual foundation, they would become the locomotive of Ukraine.

– To do this, we need reforms in education?

– In education, too. But education – this decade. And I say that we need a rebirth now. Today’s young people, in a sense, already formed. I am very much looking forward to from her, because she is not a carrier of stereotypes, the older generation.

But we still do not know how to use it. Where young people now? Where her voice in decision-making in our country? Everything is decided by adult uncle, who pushed the young people even during the Maidan, although it actually began with the youth.

This is the first generation that is not the generation of “homo Sovieticus” it will declare itself decisive action – and only then we will change.

Despite the huge number of enthusiasts during the first Maidan representatives of the new generation have not been able to express themselves. But they did it in the second, they – the second generation of the Maidan.

– Can we say that the second Maidan turned out better than the first?

– They won, so I am convinced that from this point of view, were both successful. Speaking of failure or failure, we have in mind the political consequences. But the Ukrainian Maidan were not political revolutions – it is first of all spiritual phenomena. See the spiritual changes more difficult, political – it is easier. The latter really is not enough.

Maidan The aim was to change not just the political parameters and the mentality of the vast country, of all people, from head to toe.

Some animals change their skin all at once – and Ukraine. It seemed at one point, several efforts trying this old skin to relieve himself.

This is a global change, I can only be compared with the adoption of Christianity in Russia. And living as if the “inside” of transformation, of course, it seems that “all is lost”. I am an optimist who sees the huge potential of the Ukrainian people. I was delighted with the words British expert Sherry: “Ukraine – a country with a weak state and strong civil society in Russia – a country with a strong state and a weak civil society.”.

But we still demand: “We want a strong state, as in Russia!” He will not have this. We have a different nature, we the civil society on the other spiritual foundation is necessary to put. Then the government will have to reckon with the civil society.

– How do you feel, whether the third Maidan?

– I’m afraid to call it the third Maidan, because I always hear: “Third Independence – Independence of revenge.”

I do not want revenge Maidan. I want a spiritual phenomenon. We need one more push to throw off the old skin.

– What books have impressed you so much that you are advised to read them?

– You probably expect that will call the name of a Western intellectual who writes about unlocking the meaning of life. And I find it in the Bible. I do not say, of course, you need only read it. But in this book you can always see something new. Such continuous dialogue with me and the book Mary Valltorta “Bogocholovіk”.

Shevchenko is now urgent as ever. Take now “Kobzarik” open – yes, he yells about what is happening.

Ukraine need solidarity? Read “The Three Musketeers,” Dumas. There is love, friendship, and support – all that is so necessary to us today. None of intellectual research has not made such an impression on me, as this book.

– Whom Ukrainian society should be grateful for a human rights defender and journalist Miroslav Marynovych? Who shaped you as a person?

– First of all, his mother and sister. They were my support, formed the world, given the spiritual basis of life. And yet this fellow dissidents and their relatives. I think of these people as the door closed prison cell, and I was left alone. Already there was no one to help me, not to anyone was to play the role. Nevertheless, I always thought of them, those who remained behind the scenes, and I knew I could not let them blame me for some things.

Many of these people are no longer alive. I remember them with great gratitude and thank God for what they have been in my life.

Interviewed by Anna Sinyaschik

Miroslav Marinović – dissident, human rights activist, journalist, theologian, founder of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, the organizer of amnisterskogo movement in Ukraine, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv, a member of the initiative group “First of December” and Nestorovskoy group

Sourse, 14/04/2016

The Catholic Church for the sake of ephemeral “dialogue with Moscow” missed the truth

February 15, 2016

The meeting of the Pope and the Patriarch of Moscow found epochal failures Vatican diplomats who can not look out into the real world, says Miroslav Marinović, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University, a former political prisoner, a Ukrainian human rights activist and founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group.

“Dad had an opportunity to defend the interests of the offended Russian aggression had but did not use it.”, – notes Marinovic in his article in the “Ukrainian Truth”.

He is convinced that the Cuban declaration two primates is designed so that about Russia it refers to as a region, “an unprecedented revival of the Christian faith”, where there is the opportunity to “practice their religion freely,” while the alarm appears only when it comes to other countries.

“The Cuban declaration of the Pope and the Patriarch of Moscow is a vivid illustration of several things: the indisputable victory of the FSB and the Kremlin, with all their obedient tools, to which I refer, and the Russian Orthodox Church, and the total defeat of Ukrainian public diplomacy at the Vatican and the apparent lack of it Information Service by the UGCC; helpless blindness and incompetence of the Vatican diplomacy, which is easy to confuse peaceful lexicon; and alarming failure of influential circles of Europe decode deceitful formulas Putin’s propaganda “- Marinovic said.

“That’s why I have a pain conclude on the issue of Ukraine and the Russian Catholic Church for the sake of ephemeral” dialogue with Moscow “once again missed with the truth”, – he stressed.

Joint Declaration of Pope Francis and the head of the Russian Orthodox Church Kirill (Gundyaeva) was signed at the airport in Havana February 12. Ukrainian translation posted on the site, “Vatican Radio”. The Russian version – on the site of the ROC.

Sourse, 14/02/2016

Maidan-2016 in Ukraine, is it real?

January 5, 2016

Ukraine needs to develop, rather than return to a state of Kuchma’s regime. This was stated by Ukrainian human rights activist and founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University Myroslav Marinovic.

According to him, a stalemate has to be resolved in 2016, has evolved in the Ukrainian parliament.

“I have a feeling that, in political terms, was fastened a knot that can not be cut. The main war, which implicitly is in Ukraine, a war between the oligarchs and the people reform society, who want to implement the mandate received from the Maidan. This is a power struggle, I think, in 2016 resolved “, – said the expert.

According to founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, in 2016 we should not exclude the possibility of protests.

“The government must listen to the voice of society, sounded very drastic way. But I am opposed to emotional appeals, figuratively speaking, “all on the forks.” I want this government was a political alternative, but in a democratic sense of the word. Ukraine needs to develop, rather than return to a state of Kuchma’s regime, “- says human rights activist.

At the same time, Miroslav Marinović does not believe in “the third Maidan-2016.”

“Politically there is no alternative. All these radicals such as Lyashko – is not an option. This emotion, beyond which you should not clear Ukraine’s reform program. So I would be very worried if the third Maidan seized power radicals that can destroy, but can not create anything meaningful, “- concluded Marinovic.

Sourse, 04/01/2016

Not convicted crimes comes back

September 22, 2015

Seven years in the camps and five years in exile – as Miroslav Marinović has received from the Soviet government for what was one of the founders of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group. He says he lived behind bars spiritually rich, richer lives, than it is now. Dissident and human rights activist, member of the initiative “First of December”, the vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University has recently entered into a three of the major moral authorities of Ukraine according to the magazine “New Era”. During the discussion, “Lessons of History” in Lviv Mr Marinovic spoke about the main dilemma of the Soviet era, which again becomes relevant.

– It is a struggle between the instinct of self-preservation ( “not put out because srezhut”) and the voice of conscience, the natural human desire to do good that is given to him at birth. In Soviet times, this struggle gave rise to two types of personality. The first type – people who completely obey the instinct of self-preservation – the so-called homo soveticus. People willing to hide in a crack, to protect themselves from evil. The second type – the people that won the voice of conscience, and who became dissidents and joined the resistance movement.

error dissidents

This dilemma is returned. She, like Halley’s comet, which rotates around the sun, sometimes approaching Earth. Only every new generation, every era attaches to this dilemma the new parameters. Today, it is relevant for Ukraine, and for the world. On the one hand – a security issue: how to prevent World War III? How not to annoy Putin, that he did not destroy Ukraine? And on the other, how to protect the values ​​that underpin human civilization, for which twice went Maidan? Again a struggle between the instinct of self-preservation and the call of morality.

The main reason that this dilemma is returned, is that we are not condemned the crimes of communism, not expiated his sin. Partial responsibility for this lies with the dissidents.

In the early ’90s we did not want to carry out a new Nuremberg trial. It was important not to punish past and make a new social contract. The crimes of the communist regime, it seemed to me so obvious that the Communists themselves are aware of them and want to live a new life. I compared the crimes of communism with the crime of Cain, which, as we know from the Bible, is subject only to the judgment of God. It believed that if we manage to overcome the spiritual communism, we will be able to do without formal legal judgment. That was a mistake.

communist crime turned Kuchma crimes period, a symbol which is Georgiy Gongadze. Crimes Kuchma period were not, despite the slogan of “bandits – the prison,” convicted after the Orange Revolution. Political prisoners soon became political opponents and chase them was impossible. Consequently, crimes Yanukovych Kuchma period turned into crimes, which also are still not punished and condemned. Still there are untouchables, those people that for reasons of political expediency is still justice.

error in Europe

War of 1939 started two world monster – the Nazi regime in Germany and the communist Soviet regime. They began this deadly tango together, and then one of them turned their weapons against the other, and they came together in battle.

Soviet troops invaded Finland – this is definitely the culprit. And the very soldiers deploying weapons against the Nazis, became a conquering hero. This dual role of the Soviet Union in World War II – the role of the forces started the war itself it victoriously completed – are now involves much confusion.

According to West, suffering and heroism in the “Soviet people” during the war, give a moral right not to look into the crimes of the Gulag, not to think of Stalin’s purges. So we have a double standard in the treatment of the crimes of those times. The world heard the screams of people being tortured in the cellars of the Gestapo, but heard cries of tortured NKVD.

Timothy Snyder wrote that there is a difference in the historical memory of Western and Eastern Europe. East has experienced in the twentieth century two terrible totalitarian regime, and the West must recognize and rethink it. Victory over nazism should not close our eyes to the other side of the Soviet regime – criminal. “Can a prisoner who died in Vorkuta, to be happy, that died in Dachau?” – he wrote the Polish philosopher Leszek Kolakowski.

After the fall of the Third Reich in Germany held a hearing. After the fall of the Polish People’s Republic Voytseh Yaruzelsky also appeared before the court, though he was promised immunity. However, in the early 90’s the Germans tried to convince me: “Do not do Nuremberg-2, it is not necessary!”. Even more than once at the German-Ukrainian readings – and this was the time when Viktor Yushchenko finally raised to the national level the issue of Holodomor – the whole German delegation attacked the Ukrainians: “What are you doing Why raise this topic it not? realize that it mocks Russia, you’ll have new challenges? “.

So, the rule of law has worked in Europe, but she tried to block or at least delay a similar process in the post-Soviet space. These delays have led to what is already current generation must pay the price for the communist crimes. It seems to me that Heavenly hundreds, and soldiers killed at the front – the victim of what communism was not convicted in a timely manner. And part of the responsibility for what is happening today in Ukraine is on Europe.

Sourse, 21/09/2015

The formula of struggle

August 22, 2015

As a dissident Miroslav Marinović, who was convicted by a Soviet court for lying and anti-Soviet propaganda, it became one of the most influential people in today’s Ukraine and the head of one of the best universities.

In the Perm prison, a group of prisoners as a heated argument with a supervisor. Parties clearly do not find a common language. And then passed them prisoner. “Oh, so he will not lie! Come, please!” – refers to the prisoner overseer Miroslav Marinović. The irony lies in the fact that the Ukrainian dissident who had the reputation in prison honest and uncompromising man was sentenced for lying and anti-Soviet agitation.

Marinovic, known as an anti-Soviet, Soviet special services and a cheat, really would lie not. Being on the side of truth – his credo. Since the end of 1960 – even from his student years – the principles of life and a heightened sense of justice forced him to defend the rights in a regulated framework of the Soviet regime the country.

he said that even in the most terrible moments when he thought he was dying, never regretted his position. “Good does not win every battle, but winning the war – now says Marinovic – This perspective was in me from the beginning. I’ll be on the side of good, even if I lose.”

Now Marinovic stands good in the Ukrainian Catholic University (UCU), which is cited as the most progressive universities in the country. He – the permanent vice-rector of the institution, which is just 13 years of existence, has become one of the best sites for the training of journalists and business executives. According to international research firm Hay Group, UCU among the top five Ukrainian universities, whose popularity is growing rapidly.

In addition, the dissident works in the so-called Nestorovskoy group that develops after euromaidan vision of Ukraine’s mission. The document, which happens as a result, will form the basis of the country strategy. A similar experience in intellectual is already there: in the early 2000s, he developed a similar document for the city, which as a result has helped him become one of the most successful Russian cities.

The right to the word

At the time of the conclusion – seven years in prison and five years of exile – Marinovic was only 27 years old. By the time he has already weighed in dissident circles of Ukraine, as well as an impressive list of sins in the folder of the KGB investigators.

Collect dirt on the young Ukrainian nationalist state security began in the years of his studies at the Lviv Polytechnic, where he had the imprudence to criticize the Soviet system. The first serious warning Marinovic was in 1973, when with friends laid flowers at the monument to Taras Shevchenko in Kiev. “Crime” was that he paid tribute to the officially recognized poet, who died in Russia, on May 22 – the day of his reburial in Ukraine. The commemoration of that date, the Soviet secret service was considered a manifestation of nationalism.

With Shevchenko linked another case, glorified Marynovych far outside dissident circles. In 1976, he and his friend Nikolay Matusevich during the celebration of another anniversary of the day Shevchenko’s birth, which took place in the Kiev Philharmonic, took the stage and sang Zapovit. The official program, which consisted of songs about “how good to live in a Soviet country,” and read the diary of Shevchenko in Russian, the main product of Ukrainian poet not included.

“The evening was held in Russian, and it was a slap in the face to all Ukrainian,” – explains our original Marinovic indignation: he just could not tolerate such abuse. After leaving the stage, he is a bit made secure by saying that Zapovit Shevchenko loved to Vladimir Lenin. However, the safety net has not helped. When he began to play the piano, one who arranges concerts shouted: “The concert is over!” But the audience picked up Zapovit, and when turned off the light, began to sing louder.

“It was a complete defeat of those who ran and screamed that the concert is over,” – says Marinovic.

When it was over, out of the Philharmonic Friends feared, besides the entrance stood a car, and they assumed that it sit gebisty. But right there were people who came to the concert. They surrounded the brave men and conducted to the subway.

Then the KGB Marynovych not touched. “I’m happy to have been involved in at this point – he speaks of those events is now -. Such gestures have to be among the nations, they must be equal to the Ukrainians, because it maintains people in some valuable positions, gives examples of courage.”

Arrested a young dissident in 1977. “Early in the morning the doorbell rang insistently, – recalls the day the arrest of Tamil Matusevich, the sister of his best friend Marynovych, in the apartment where they lived then -. At first, we did not open, because they understood who came, but they rang and rang.”

To arrest he was ready. By the time Marinovic was already six months in the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, human rights activities. Then there was only ten brave men who gathered evidence of violations of the rights of compatriots and tried to establish the accreditation of foreign journalists in Kyiv.

“It was the dethronement of the Soviet myth, in which millions of people believed in the west, – says about the activities of the Helsinki Group Iosif Zisels, dissident, who was also a member -. We have shown that beautiful façade lying behind him – blood and crime.”

However, the Soviet court interpreted these activities under the anti-Soviet agitation and propaganda and denounced Marynovych the maximum sentence – seven years in prison.

In the camp among the political, he quickly began to enjoy prestige, says Oles Shevchenko, who was imprisoned with Marinovic (later was a member of the Verkhovna Rada of I convocation), “came to him, to solve a conflict, difficult situation or just for advice” .

Shevchenko recalls the joint celebration of Easter in 1981. On the eve of the guards warned the prisoners that the religious rite forbidden. “But we brought bread from the dining room, and in the barracks we had jam and sunflower oil – says Shevchenko -. Of these, we blinded the passover.” For this freedom of all prisoners then sent to a punishment cell.

However Marinovic not silent: he wrote a letter to the Pope on violations of the rights of believers in Soviet prisons. “Write it was impossible, so he” wrote “his head – says Shevchenko -. And then transferred to the paper and handed it to chance.”

Surprisingly, Marynovych letter to the pontiff came, and he even held a prayer service in support of Soviet political prisoners.

Varlam Shalamov, the last Stalinist camps, wrote about them as a place where the “dehumanization”. Marinovic, on the other hand, recalls his life behind barbed wire as a time of intense spiritual growth. Firstly, in the camp, he said, he had gathered a brilliant intellectual society, including writers Nikolai Rudenko and Eugene Sverstyuk poet Zenoviy Krasivskaya.

Under their influence Marinovic started writing poems in prison, and prepared a book of the Gospel of God’s fool, who released after release. Now he argues that it is in detention found faith in God.

God willing

Return Marynovych to Ukraine coincided with the beginning of perestroika. Then he began to study theology. First there were articles on inter-church peacefulness in the newspaper of the city of Drohobych, where he settled after the conclusion. “The end of the ’80s – it was a time of religious conflicts, – he explains the choice of the theme -. I have suffered from it, I saw it absurd, unwise and unpatriotic, prejudicial to the independence of Ukraine.”

Marynovych later invited to read lectures about the history of religion in Drohobych Pedagogical University. But after studying the course of history of religion in the United States, he established and headed the Institute of Religion and Society at the Lviv Theological Academy.

In parallel, he begins to work in the department of Ukrainian Association of Amnesty International and shrugs off suggestions go into politics – he repeatedly offered to run for the MPs. Marynovych not even managed to persuade his friend, Vyacheslav Chornovil, a dissident and political prisoner, and later – the founder of the People’s Movement of Ukraine.

Now Marinovic busy that loves – scientific work at UCU. Lectures, he does not read, but from time to time speaks to students with special inspiring “sermons”. “He – our living conscience, – said Otar Dovzhenko, a journalist and professor of journalism of the university -. His presence will ensure that the Criminal Code there is no corruption, no gotchas.”

When Marinovic UCU has become one of the most dynamic universities in the country – it is constantly evolving, says journalist and media expert Evgeny Hlibovytsky, worked with Marinovic first in Univskoy group, which developed the vision of Lvov, and now – in Nestorovskoy group, which is working on a strategic vision of Ukraine.

“The group Univskoy he did an unimaginable amount of work, – enthusiastically tells Hlibovytsky -. And such a man of his status can be neglected is his religious setting Marinovic did not want to practice arrogance…”

Many familiar with it people talk about his amazing honesty and inner freedom. And talking to HB, Marinovic remembered the story of how the nearly renounced his beliefs. It was in Kiev in the early ’70s. Young Marinovic a long time could not get a job because of the intervention of the KGB. Once he was an acquaintance invited to try on a prestigious location – the editorial board of the Soviet Ukrainian Encyclopedia.

“And I’m going to an interview and say to myself, in a whisper, that if I would take on the job, May 22 at the monument to Shevchenko will not go” – is now recognized Marinovic.

He is now with shame recalls the case and adds that it is convinced that no compromise will not survive – a characteristic feature of the Soviet man. This way of thinking is still working, and that he is the reason that the country can not change radically, he says in the conclusion of the conversation. The problem of the fate of the country today for Marynovych – the most important.

Sourse, 21/08/2015

About Ukrainian education reforms and things which really unites and divides the people of one country

May 19, 2015

Miroslav Marinović, Ukrainian human rights activist and scholar of religion, founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group and organizer amnisterskogo movement in Ukraine, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv. A man whose opinions heard. Probably, most of the democratic parties of Ukraine would like to see Miroslav Francovich on their lists, but for the most Marynovych success is not measured by the steps of the career ladder. One of the most influential Ukrainians told Politeka of Ukrainian education reforms and that really unites and divides the people of a country.

Miroslav Francovich first met with the KGB in the university years – for criticizing the Soviet policy. In 27 years, Miroslav Marinović has become a founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, and since then has come under constant surveillance. And then – the charges of anti-Soviet agitation and propaganda, imprisonment and exile, 150 days in a punishment cell, and hunger strikes.

This time Miroslav Francovich refers to one of the brightest periods of his life, because that is the conclusion made, according to a human rights activist, as “the man with the backbone.” Regularly refusing all offers to enter parliament, according to its mission involvement in changing the mentality of people and speech to parliament prefers to communicate with young people.

Politeka: Independence, volunteering, united opposition of the enemy Ukrainians, but can we say that we really become one? whether society needs, in your opinion, in the transformations, or the path to unity can be considered passed?

M. Marinovic: We discussed a lot about this in Nestorovskoy group, and came to the conclusion that a nation has already been created, and now it needs to be upgraded. This problem was I could be formulated differently. On the Independence, and especially during the war with Russia, a nation united common problem and a common desire to protect themselves from the enemy. It is a powerful unifying force. But the war end sooner or later – and then what? In other words, we need to rapidly develop a positive concept of a single state, so that the people united around shared values, which are so powerfully voiced Maidan: human dignity, national and religious freedom, the rule of law, public morality and social justice. Public demand for these values ​​is – do not have enough faith in what we can for them to become successful.

Politeka: Ukraine is now going through a very difficult time, which was the legacy of a paternalistic state, in which we have lived for so long. You travel a lot, and, in your opinion, if there is Ukrainians – on both sides of the Dnieper River – a desire to return to a usable form of life as paternalism?

M. Marinovic: Actually, we are from a paternalistic state has not yet emerged. Of course, society has changed significantly compared with Soviet times, but a chronic state management system is not dismantled. We still make the “hole course” repair the old Soviet way. Oligarchic system abuses paternalistic instincts of the population does not develop small and medium-sized businesses – that is, precisely those who overcame a paternalistic stereotypes. Therefore, Ukraine has not yet sounded the march “Farewell of Slav”, but the truth and that we are already very close to this. But regional differences are insignificant, and sometimes in Dnepropetrovsk can be found a more dynamic business elite than in Galicia.

Politeka: In his publications and interviews You’re saying that the Ukrainians are united East and West, they have the same expectations and aspirations. But why, in that case, there is a conflict where the line that divides people?

M. Marinovic: The border does exist, but it is mobile. In the early 1990s, it was held on Zbruch. While in Galicia were intensive processes of ideological and religious restructuring – then point the finger at Galicia as a region with an expressive “inflammation”. Presidential and parliamentary elections later times indicated that this boundary initially approached the Dnieper, then spread through him and to “win” the north of Ukraine. Then he stopped, having fenced off a so-called South East. Today, “inflammation” is precisely in this part of the country. Gone was the homogeneity of the local political orientations, once a single monolith disintegrated into fragments, which are active – in pain and agony – looking for a new identity. Technically, one could say that the occupied territories of the Crimea, Donetsk and Lugansk regions just passed a new frontier, but this conclusion may be premature. Nobody spent here independent surveys, and the consequences of the occupation for many may be unexpected. Therefore, we will not jump to conclusions, let us instead build a free and democratic Ukraine – and let God do the rest.

Politeka: Besides the fact that different regions of Ukraine are carriers of different ideologies, they speak at least two languages. Periodically there talk of “non-discrimination of the Russian language.” A striking example – “language law” Kolesnichenko-Kivalov, which could exacerbate the division of society. Euromaidan virtually removed this item from the agenda, but the problem remained. Which can reduce the degree of confrontation and, if possible, remove the language issue? And whether it is necessary Ukraine approved at the state level bilingualism?

M. Marinovic: Model of two state languages ​​in Ukraine is bad, and therefore unacceptable. It is not conducive to the public understanding, but on the contrary, it would be complicating. It’s like that line up on the stadium runners on long distances on the same starting line, ignoring the fact that they then have to run different distances. This ostentatious justice that turns into a lie. Because of the long period Russification Ukrainian language has to “run” at a much greater range and therefore legal handicap should be mandatory for it. But the language problem actually is an instrument of the evil policies when for “bilingualism” the idea of ​​hiding the idea of ​​Russian monolingualism in the already non-Ukrainian state. Moses Fishbein well remarked, saying: “The danger is not in the fact that Russian will become the second state, and that the state would become the second Russian. ” Independence has twice confirmed that when people are equally defend the Ukrainian statehood and dignity, the voltage of the language problem simply disappears.

Politeka: There is much talk about the fact that reforms and promises are not met, does not change anything at all. People are starting to get tired. Do you think that’s what the Ukrainians can cause disappointment in what is happening in the country?

M. Marinovic: The other day I had an interesting conversation with an American who knows the Ukraine. It is not surprising slowness of reforms and maximalism of Ukrainians who want at a time “to jump to Heaven” and not able to see those real changes that are already transforming their lives. Here it harms not just the desire for more and utopian hope that everything can change quickly, and psychological fatigue, if everything does not happen immediately. But the Anglo-Saxons, according to my companion, well aware that the long journey can be overcome only small but successful steps. Therefore, we must believe in the Ukraine, and keep in mind that these steps do not have to “someone in Kiev”, but we ourselves.

Politeka: One way or another, but quite most of the news and conversations are now feykovye. Staged events, rumors, subjectivity (subjectivity especially influential persons), the emotions and the absence of a critical attitude to the news – all these factors affect the information field and, accordingly, those who follow him. We are all aware of the propaganda machine of the Russian Federation, but why produce false Ukrainian opinion leaders, consciously designed it? How to resist the lies?

M. Marinovic: Lie there for as long as humanity exists. This utopia – to think that you can get rid of it. But the feature of present-day time becomes a man’s inability to distinguish between truth and lies – and this is a great danger. Previously, the Soviet regime was forced to put the jammers, because people had enough to hear the voice of the free world – and they recognize the truth. Today, Putin’s regime jammers are not necessary – people already zombified so that it is not able to distinguish truth from falsehood. It is because our goal – to restore to the people the proper value basis, which is able to save the situation.

Politeka: How do you assess the establishment of the Anti-Corruption Bureau? Do I need to lyustrirovat officials stole millions from the budget, or whether they need to be immediately judged?

M. Marinovic: Ukraine must act the rule of law. This means that the abuse of power crime must be punished. The question is how it is, depends on the seriousness of the crime: someone needed lyustrirovat, and someone – a judge. Justice must also be sensitive to genuine repentance and be able to distinguish it from evil justifications “Kolyadniki-judges.”

Politeka: A very important question of education in Ukraine. How do you see Ukrainian higher education in five years? Which universities will remain, which will be closed due to reforms and conscious choice of students? What, in your opinion, should be changed in the system of higher education?

M. Marinovic: This question can not be answered in one sentence. The Soviet system of higher education also powerfully acted paternalism: universities have been selected freedom, instead of the state, “spoon-feed”. With this must be dealt with. Universities should receive tangible autonomy, thus becoming responsible for their status and level of education. You have to be prepared for the fact that to find a new balanced system of European education in Ukraine will not be easy – it takes time and proactive educators. But this way we must go.

Interviewed by Alla Bakr

Sourse, 18/05/2015

Decommunisation laws of Ukraine: it is necessary to go ahead

May 8, 2015

The President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko has to sign laws decommunisation. Indignation of some of the population will, in any case, but can not always look at the past.

This is a comment IA ZIK said human rights activist, journalist, theologian, founding member of the Ukrainian Helsinki Group, vice-rector of the Ukrainian Catholic University in Lviv, Miroslav Marinović.

“I do know that these laws need to sign, implement them and do not look at those who will always cling to the past. We must go forward, “- he stressed.

According to Miroslav Marynovych, Russia spends a lot of money to Ukraine arose public indignation at about decommunisation laws. Thus, a certain part of the population is dissatisfied with the matter, Poroshenko to sign these laws or not.

“I do not exclude that the president waits until May 9. But, anyway, will be provocations. However, without